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(NBC San Diego)   The judge didn't want to sentence the police officer to jail for DUI because that would result in him getting fired   (nbcsandiego.com ) divider line
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2013-04-23 12:56:19 PM  
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2013-04-23 01:06:52 PM  
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2013-04-23 01:30:53 PM  

vudutek: I'd like to see this "I need to keep my job" used as a sentencing guideline in any future case of anyone that may face jail time for DUI. Precedent has now been set, so I say go for it.


A co-worker successfully used this approach on his DUI case. He still had about a $5k fine but did retain his license and job so it's more the judge you get than the job you have.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:37 PM  
Woah, so the judge would have gotten fired had he sentenced the cop?  Crazy judicial system!
 
2013-04-23 01:40:02 PM  
The crime did not warrant the detective losing his job the judge told the court.

That's not your problem, judge.
 
2013-04-23 02:11:35 PM  

Keeve: FTA:  The 11-year veteran of the SDPD was ordered to five years probation including DUI classes and 25 days of public work service.

Umm, isn't that pretty standard for a first-time offense? I know a few people that have had a DUI and none of them served jail time. Or should I ignore that fact and jump on the cop-hating band wagon and suggest that this is somehow an indicator of the end of the world?


I think there are a few different issues here.

1. The guy was driving his police car while drunk. And he crashed it.
2. The guy was doing at least 30mph over the speed limit. While drunk. Before he crashed.
3. His blew a .15 at the time of his arrest and there is at least the appearance of impropriety in that his official BAH test was delayed about 3 hours and he listed a .09.
4. The judge said he suspended the jail time because it would cost the officer his job. Not because he was going to AA or because he had an exemplary record prior to the arrest or any other meritorious reason.

I don't know a lot of folks who've gotten DUI's, but among them it's about 50/50 on jail time. Those that had to serve some time it was usually 48hours or so, but that was on top of AA and the DUI program and years of probation and a suspended license, etc. In all the cases of people I know, how their job status would be affected was never a consideration. It never even came up.
 
2013-04-23 02:47:29 PM  
I know standing up for an asshole cop isn't popular round here....

But the guy didn't actually crash into another vehicle or person. We only have the article saying he z(theoretically) could  have faced jail.

I can't see most of us little people doing the same getting more than a driving ban and public work service either, unless you had a previous conviction.

  Judge got it about right.  This is not an outrage.
 
2013-04-23 03:09:17 PM  
Odd, when my ex-wife caught a dewie (no jail time, in her own vehicle, not having an accident) she got fired for her job as driver and no other company would hire her to drive. I suppose she should have told the judge that her job depended on not facing the consequences of her actions and he would have been more accommodating.
 
2013-04-23 03:14:32 PM  

slayer199: Years ago when I was a LEO,


BURN HIM!!!!!!

The last time I was in traffic court (for my GF, so I could pleasantly relax), the judge did a consistent job of taking into account a person's income and life situation when determining fines of first offenders, so I agree that this is typical.  I've also seen judges throw the book at 30+ MPH speeders, though, especially the guy in the T-shirt and jeans that brought his crying baby.

/I keed about the burning.
 
2013-04-23 03:16:06 PM  

Oliver Twisted: Keeve: FTA:  The 11-year veteran of the SDPD was ordered to five years probation including DUI classes and 25 days of public work service.

Umm, isn't that pretty standard for a first-time offense? I know a few people that have had a DUI and none of them served jail time. Or should I ignore that fact and jump on the cop-hating band wagon and suggest that this is somehow an indicator of the end of the world?

Did these other peoples arrest also include an accident with property damage?  Traveling at 30 mph over posted limit?


While on duty as a farking cop!!!
 
2013-04-23 03:41:20 PM  

titwrench: Oliver Twisted: Keeve: FTA:  The 11-year veteran of the SDPD was ordered to five years probation including DUI classes and 25 days of public work service.

Umm, isn't that pretty standard for a first-time offense? I know a few people that have had a DUI and none of them served jail time. Or should I ignore that fact and jump on the cop-hating band wagon and suggest that this is somehow an indicator of the end of the world?

Did these other peoples arrest also include an accident with property damage?  Traveling at 30 mph over posted limit?

While on duty as a farking cop!!!


He was off duty in the department's unmarked car, as stated in the article. Still not kosher, but not as bad as driving drunk on the clock.
 
2013-04-23 03:53:16 PM  

Well Armed Sheep: titwrench: Oliver Twisted: Keeve: FTA:  The 11-year veteran of the SDPD was ordered to five years probation including DUI classes and 25 days of public work service.

Umm, isn't that pretty standard for a first-time offense? I know a few people that have had a DUI and none of them served jail time. Or should I ignore that fact and jump on the cop-hating band wagon and suggest that this is somehow an indicator of the end of the world?

Did these other peoples arrest also include an accident with property damage?  Traveling at 30 mph over posted limit?

While on duty as a farking cop!!!

He was off duty in the department's unmarked car, as stated in the article. Still not kosher, but not as bad as driving drunk on the clock.


The local news reported he was on duty I didn't RTFA. My bad. This guy should still be fired.
 
2013-04-23 05:17:47 PM  

titwrench: Well Armed Sheep: titwrench: Oliver Twisted: Keeve: FTA:  The 11-year veteran of the SDPD was ordered to five years probation including DUI classes and 25 days of public work service.

Umm, isn't that pretty standard for a first-time offense? I know a few people that have had a DUI and none of them served jail time. Or should I ignore that fact and jump on the cop-hating band wagon and suggest that this is somehow an indicator of the end of the world?

Did these other peoples arrest also include an accident with property damage?  Traveling at 30 mph over posted limit?

While on duty as a farking cop!!!

He was off duty in the department's unmarked car, as stated in the article. Still not kosher, but not as bad as driving drunk on the clock.

The local news reported he was on duty I didn't RTFA. My bad. This guy should still be fired.


Let me throw my school bus driver scenario at you.

When we arrested the school bus driver a 2:30 am, she was at a level where she still would have been drunk at 7:30 in the morning. I still arrested her but termination of her job is not something I wanted to see...and neither did the judge nor prosecutor for a first time offender. What she received was fair. Fines, court costs, probation, and court ordered treatment. This cop wasn't treated any differently than other first-time offenders
 
2013-04-23 06:17:38 PM  

slayer199: titwrench: Well Armed Sheep: titwrench: Oliver Twisted: Keeve: FTA:  The 11-year veteran of the SDPD was ordered to five years probation including DUI classes and 25 days of public work service.

Umm, isn't that pretty standard for a first-time offense? I know a few people that have had a DUI and none of them served jail time. Or should I ignore that fact and jump on the cop-hating band wagon and suggest that this is somehow an indicator of the end of the world?

Did these other peoples arrest also include an accident with property damage?  Traveling at 30 mph over posted limit?

While on duty as a farking cop!!!

He was off duty in the department's unmarked car, as stated in the article. Still not kosher, but not as bad as driving drunk on the clock.

The local news reported he was on duty I didn't RTFA. My bad. This guy should still be fired.

Let me throw my school bus driver scenario at you.

When we arrested the school bus driver a 2:30 am, she was at a level where she still would have been drunk at 7:30 in the morning. I still arrested her but termination of her job is not something I wanted to see...and neither did the judge nor prosecutor for a first time offender. What she received was fair. Fines, court costs, probation, and court ordered treatment. This cop wasn't treated any differently than other first-time offenders


As an employee of the police department, caught breaking the law in a company vehicle he should be fired. Regardless if he was treated normally in a court of law he should not be allowed to continue in law enforcement. Do you think if your bus driver showed up to work drunk or was caught driving the bus drunk off duty she would have kept her job?
 
2013-04-23 07:27:21 PM  
Exile the judge, and all other such enemies of the people.
 
2013-04-23 08:07:23 PM  
See, I got huge respect for actual, honest cops.

It's a sh*tty, boring job that mostly consists of bouncing CAD numbers between your car and dispatch and going to the homes of idiots, ne'er do wells and other sociocultural effluvia/  People who are wont to spend heir days pulling shenanigans, beating the sh*t of each other while f*cked up on a variety of substances or stealing from each other or generally having all the sense of responsibility of an incontinent dog.  It's mostly playing babysitter and it's not something that most people have the temperament to do effectively.

However, more and more stories that actually make it to the news seem to speak to a priority shift amongst the members of law enforcement, and less than honest motivations for their interest in acquiring the power that the job offers.  And that's worrisome.  And as many have noted, the "few bad apples" shrug doesn't wash within the confines of the profession because this profession not only has the ability, but the sworn duty to remove bad apples from any strata of society.  So the ones who pretend not to notice them are just as bad as the bad apples they choose to overlook.

That being said, if the law enforcement "community" is as interested in the respect and the support of the public as they claim, they're going to have to rise above the notion that they are not responsible for their own illegal activities and are indeed, ALLOWED to engage in the very behaviors that they jail people for, but with impunity. Because if they don't, they're just going to be perceived as another armed street gang snarling "snitches get stitches" at the citizenry.  And should be.
 
2013-04-24 12:16:49 AM  

runescorpio: GoldSpider: Looks like last week's Fark Cop Love Fest is officially over.

No. It was just cop lovers coming out from hiding.
The cop hate was just being set aside while the tragedy unfolded.



Right, because wanting everyone treated fairly is "hate"
 
2013-04-24 03:17:52 AM  

NutWrench: The crime did not warrant the detective losing his job the judge told the court.

That's not your problem, judge.


Actually, it is.
 
2013-04-24 02:04:47 PM  

"The judge ruled for the defendant in the malpractice case because if he found there was guilt of malpractice he might lose his physicians license."


"The judge did not recommend jail time in the child abuse case because the defendant would lose his job at the day care."


This is fun!


...and completely disgusting.

 
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