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2013-04-23 06:17:47 AM
Many of the girls who were approached last year were in their teens. Some patients have a body mass index as low as 14.

Ok, that's just despicable. The last thing girls need when they are struggling with their body image issues is to be given reinforcement that can truly fark them up at such an impressionable age. I'm already on the thin side of he spectrum and my BMI is just over 16.5. Someone at 14 must be literally skin and bones.
 
2013-04-23 07:09:07 AM

miss diminutive: Many of the girls who were approached last year were in their teens. Some patients have a body mass index as low as 14.

Ok, that's just despicable. The last thing girls need when they are struggling with their body image issues is to be given reinforcement that can truly fark them up at such an impressionable age. I'm already on the thin side of he spectrum and my BMI is just over 16.5. Someone at 14 must be literally skin and bones.


Assuming an average height, would have to be well under 90lbs. Probably still thinks she's fat too, it's a mental illness, it truly is.
 
2013-04-23 07:42:12 AM

nekom: Assuming an average height, would have to be well under 90lbs. Probably still thinks she's fat too, it's a mental illness, it truly is.


For certain. I've taken a look at some of those 'thinspo' tumblr pages that are out there and they're pretty disturbing. On one hand, the internet is great for getting information out to those who need it, but it can also act as a means of support and encouragement for people who literally starve themselves. Some of those people really need professional help.
 
2013-04-23 07:56:00 AM

miss diminutive: nekom: Assuming an average height, would have to be well under 90lbs. Probably still thinks she's fat too, it's a mental illness, it truly is.

For certain. I've taken a look at some of those 'thinspo' tumblr pages that are out there and they're pretty disturbing. On one hand, the internet is great for getting information out to those who need it, but it can also act as a means of support and encouragement for people who literally starve themselves. Some of those people really need professional help.


My ex-wife used to work with a girl who weighed about 100 pounds and thought she was fat. She was thin as a rail, but she saw herself as fat. There is plenty of blame to go around, not the least of which falls on the media's portrayal of what beauty is supposed to be. As the father of a young girl, this trend is highly alarming to me.
 
2013-04-23 08:05:02 AM
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2013-04-23 09:01:20 AM

nekom: Assuming an average height, would have to be well under 90lbs. Probably still thinks she's fat too, it's a mental illness, it truly is.


Also, if they're being scouted as models, that means they're likely quite tall. I'm under 90lbs myself, but I'm barely 5' tall. There's a difference between being petite and being skeletal.

The article mentions one girl approached being in a wheelchair because she was so sickly and emaciated. I mean, I know that designers want that bony look so the clothes appear to hang off their models, but that's just insane.

nekom: My ex-wife used to work with a girl who weighed about 100 pounds and thought she was fat. She was thin as a rail, but she saw herself as fat. There is plenty of blame to go around, not the least of which falls on the media's portrayal of what beauty is supposed to be. As the father of a young girl, this trend is highly alarming to me.


Just a few weeks ago I found out that my cousin is on a diet because she thinks she's fat. She's 10 years old. (and not even remotely overweight) Self perception is a powerful force to overcome.
 
2013-04-23 09:23:28 AM

miss diminutive: Many of the girls who were approached last year were in their teens. Some patients have a body mass index as low as 14.

Ok, that's just despicable. The last thing girls need when they are struggling with their body image issues is to be given reinforcement that can truly fark them up at such an impressionable age. I'm already on the thin side of he spectrum and my BMI is just over 16.5. Someone at 14 must be literally skin and bones.


Hëllø I am fröm a Swedish mødeling agency send pics plëase
 
2013-04-23 09:24:18 AM
Why would anyone want an anorexic girl, they don't swallow.
 
2013-04-23 09:25:28 AM
They claimed that they approach healthy, normally slim young people and that they never urge anyone to lose weight; that's how they defended themselves

Bull. Sh*t.
 
2013-04-23 09:26:46 AM
So how about my plan to use a time machine to recruit models from Auschwitz? I mean you just cant get that kinda thin these days without going to sub saharan Africa.
 
2013-04-23 09:28:23 AM
Catcher in the rye?
 
2013-04-23 09:29:36 AM

miss diminutive: Just a few weeks ago I found out that my cousin is on a diet because she thinks she's fat. She's 10 years old. (and not even remotely overweight) Self perception is a powerful force to overcome.


Have any of you guys seen the new Dove video as part of their Real Beauty campaign?

However feminazis lost their crap over it. Being a regular everyday kind of feminist myself I think I saw something totally different than they did.
 
2013-04-23 09:30:24 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Fap fap fap fap fap fap ...


to soon?   no, no  really, that's just nasty.
 
2013-04-23 09:32:37 AM

nekom: There is plenty of blame to go around, not the least of which falls on the media's portrayal of what beauty is supposed to be.


Define "media" here.  The "media" as most people know it is currently infatuated with Jennifer Lawrence and she's got one of the roundest faces I've ever seen for an A-list celebrity.  Which is fine; she's got healthy meat on her bones.

By "media" I think you mean fashion media, and anyone who takes fashion media more seriously than time-killing bemusement is probably an insane, self-loathing woman.  Clothing models are not beautiful and I honestly have never heard of anyone who thinks they are.  They're bony because their job is to be walking wire hangers and the fashion industry is dominated by psychopaths who treat models with the same regard as CAFO livestock.
 
2013-04-23 09:32:46 AM
miss diminutive:

Just a few weeks ago I found out that my cousin is on a diet because she thinks she's fat. She's 10 years old. (and not even remotely overweight) Self perception is a powerful force to overcome.

Her mother and her mother's friends probably blab about being on diets all the time.  She's modeling their behavior and thinks it's normal.

/never use the words "skinny" or "thin" as a complement.
//use "healthy" or "fit" instead
 
2013-04-23 09:33:19 AM

Arkanaut: Hëllø I am fröm a Swedish mødeling agency send pics plëase


I am expose for You impostering! The "ø" is not used in Svenska. It is Norvegian. Only I am true Swëdish Mödeling Agentcy for send your pictures to. Tack så mycket!
 
2013-04-23 09:33:45 AM
This is kind of brilliant.   Why should they be underweight AND unemployed?
 
2013-04-23 09:35:41 AM
Just an idea, if you went to one of these places and had an eye for beauty you could incentivize the right girls by saying they could be models (aka beauty) if they became a more healthy weight. Not that that's what these d bags did, but I think that'd be cool. Both sides win as one is healthier and one has dibs as agent
 
2013-04-23 09:36:30 AM
I am willing to provide validation for any woman who needs it. Do you want to know if you're hot?

/Spoiler Alert: anyone who sends me BIE is automatically hot
//EIP
 
2013-04-23 09:38:14 AM

dragonchild: nekom: There is plenty of blame to go around, not the least of which falls on the media's portrayal of what beauty is supposed to be.

Define "media" here.  The "media" as most people know it is currently infatuated with Jennifer Lawrence and she's got one of the roundest faces I've ever seen for an A-list celebrity.  Which is fine; she's got healthy meat on her bones.

By "media" I think you mean fashion media, and anyone who takes fashion media more seriously than time-killing bemusement is probably an insane, self-loathing woman.  Clothing models are not beautiful and I honestly have never heard of anyone who thinks they are.  They're bony because their job is to be walking wire hangers and the fashion industry is dominated by psychopaths who treat models with the same regard as CAFO livestock.


Dior made Jennifer Lawrence unrecognizable.

n2.9cloud.us
 
2013-04-23 09:39:25 AM
 
2013-04-23 09:41:22 AM

FrancoFile: /never use the words "skinny" or "thin" as a complement.
//use "healthy" or "fit" instead


Thank you.
 
2013-04-23 09:48:58 AM
Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in those Dove real beauty campaigns? They claim you're beautiful as is, but shill products to help make you look younger, thus better and more pleasing to look at.
 
2013-04-23 09:52:25 AM

KatjaMouse: miss diminutive: Just a few weeks ago I found out that my cousin is on a diet because she thinks she's fat. She's 10 years old. (and not even remotely overweight) Self perception is a powerful force to overcome.

Have any of you guys seen the new Dove video as part of their Real Beauty campaign?

However feminazis lost their crap over it. Being a regular everyday kind of feminist myself I think I saw something totally different than they did.


I think that Dove has found a real racket.  They can make any type of claim such as "Dove will give you perfect skin, a healthy BMI, and you will look great: anyone who claims otherwise is trying to force anorexia on you" and if the FTC (or anybody else) says boo, a million "regular everyday feminists" will swarm down on them.
 
2013-04-23 09:52:55 AM

miss diminutive: Someone at 14 must be literally skin and bones.


Come to vermont. You'll see 14 year olds who weigh upwards of 250.
Om nom nom nom
 
2013-04-23 09:53:24 AM
At least they were "recruiting". They could have just used a leaf-blower to round them up into a pile and then stuffed them in plastic bags.
 
2013-04-23 09:54:46 AM

big pig peaches: stuffed them in plastic bags.


they snap too easily that way.
 
2013-04-23 09:54:55 AM

KatjaMouse: miss diminutive: Just a few weeks ago I found out that my cousin is on a diet because she thinks she's fat. She's 10 years old. (and not even remotely overweight) Self perception is a powerful force to overcome.

Have any of you guys seen the new Dove video as part of their Real Beauty campaign?

However feminazis lost their crap over it. Being a regular everyday kind of feminist myself I think I saw something totally different than they did.


That's because they aren't feminists, they're attention whores. Critical thinking doesn't make for good television. Discount them, deny them, call them out. They are doing a wonderful job at utterly ruining the feminist movement.

Be louder than they are.
 
2013-04-23 09:55:00 AM
*Insert standard BMI rant about weight scaling O(N^2) in BMI and O(N^3) in reality.

/wishes BMI was as inaccurate as it was in his younger days.
 
2013-04-23 09:59:32 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Arkanaut: Hëllø I am fröm a Swedish mødeling agency send pics plëase

I am expose for You impostering! The "ø" is not used in Svenska. It is Norvegian. Only I am true Swëdish Mödeling Agentcy for send your pictures to. Tack så mycket!


I will take no møre of this insült! Face the wrath of my møøse cävalry!
 
2013-04-23 10:16:24 AM

KatjaMouse: Dior made Jennifer Lawrence unrecognizable.


Ogod who is that.  I don't think that's her.  I think they took a picture of her with sensors or something and re-created an emaciated android, used that, and Photoshooped it.

Yo, Dior:
static.tvguide.com
 
2013-04-23 10:16:50 AM

KatjaMouse: miss diminutive: Just a few weeks ago I found out that my cousin is on a diet because she thinks she's fat. She's 10 years old. (and not even remotely overweight) Self perception is a powerful force to overcome.

Have any of you guys seen the new Dove video as part of their Real Beauty campaign?

However feminazis lost their crap over it. Being a regular everyday kind of feminist myself I think I saw something totally different than they did.


What on earth are you talking about? Who are these "femnizazis" (thanks, Rush Limbaugh,) and how are they "losing their crap?"

I'm asking because I have seen countless column inches written about the Dove campaign from all over the place, and literally none of it sounds like what you describe.

Got a link?
 
2013-04-23 10:23:20 AM

big pig peaches: At least they were "recruiting". They could have just used a leaf-blower to round them up into a pile and then stuffed them in plastic bags.


DAMMIT.  i was all teary due to the dove commercial and then this.
 
2013-04-23 10:24:32 AM

Polyhazard: What on earth are you talking about? Who are these "femnizazis" (thanks, Rush Limbaugh,) and how are they "losing their crap?"


On UpWorthy, Facebook and a couple of other blogs I've been seeing jerks posting links to underneath that video basically arguing that Dove is still an insidious corporation that wants to 'sell beauty' (duh) and that "if beauty isn't so important then why are the women being told their beautiful at the end?" (no, rly) or "there's like 1 token black chick and the rest are blue eyed blondes" (ugh, fine...) or "how dare they imply that whether you think you're pretty or not impacts how you do at your job or raise your family!" And worse that a whole bunch of people tend to post echoing agreements to those posts.
 
2013-04-23 10:25:59 AM

dragonchild: nekom: There is plenty of blame to go around, not the least of which falls on the media's portrayal of what beauty is supposed to be.

Define "media" here.  The "media" as most people know it is currently infatuated with Jennifer Lawrence and she's got one of the roundest faces I've ever seen for an A-list celebrity.  Which is fine; she's got healthy meat on her bones.

By "media" I think you mean fashion media, and anyone who takes fashion media more seriously than time-killing bemusement is probably an insane, self-loathing woman.  Clothing models are not beautiful and I honestly have never heard of anyone who thinks they are.  They're bony because their job is to be walking wire hangers and the fashion industry is dominated by psychopaths who treat models with the same regard as CAFO livestock.



Blaming the media might have made sense a couple of decades ago when Twiggy hit the scene..... but it is now completely outdated.

After all, isn't the issue really a mental problem with how the brain sees the body?

If so, then it is stupid to blame the media for someone's mental health.

Obesity, however, is the much bigger issue (literally) these days.
 
2013-04-23 10:29:26 AM

Polyhazard: Got a link?


Oh yeah... this is the one that people refer to the most: Why Dove's "Real Beauty Sketches" video makes me uncomfortable... and kind of makes me angry
 
2013-04-23 10:31:38 AM

KatjaMouse: Polyhazard: Got a link?

Oh yeah... this is the one that people refer to the most: Why Dove's "Real Beauty Sketches" video makes me uncomfortable... and kind of makes me angry


jesus.  women like this give feminists a bad name.
BOO farkING HOO, LADY.
 
2013-04-23 10:32:17 AM

serialsuicidebomber: Blaming the media might have made sense a couple of decades ago when Twiggy hit the scene..... but it is now completely outdated


The media only exacerbates the problem, but it's obviously not the root cause. These people (I say people deliberately, it's not simply girls who suffer from this, although they are the majority) have some deep-seated issues with regards to self worth, body image and coping mechanisms. For some of the people who I've read about, their eating habits and their weight is literally the only thing they feel they can control in their lives. Over time it eventually takes over and soon enough they're quite literally starving themselves as their world spins out of control.
 
2013-04-23 10:33:53 AM

talulahgosh: jesus. women like this give feminists a bad name.
BOO farkING HOO, LADY.


That's why I reluctantly pulled out Limbaugh's Feminazi label. Because I mean seriously lady? This is like the mental gymnastics I've seen women trying to argue that Joss Whedon was a misogynist and racist because he made a female black character refer to her superior as "Sir". I'm not even going to torture myself to look for that oldie.
 
2013-04-23 10:34:21 AM

serialsuicidebomber: isn't the issue really a mental problem with how the brain sees the body?  If so, then it is stupid to blame the media for someone's mental health.


Yes, but women don't develop self-image issues in a vacuum, so you can't honestly separate one from the other.  One of the biggest issues alcoholics face, for example, is that booze is everywhere.  Hell, I'm not an alcoholic but I don't drink, people know I don't drink, yet I still get pressured to drink.  And the gift I wound up with during last Christmas' Yankee Swap?  A bottle of wine.  This is a minor inconvenience for me, but to a recovering alcoholic it's like the whole world is mocking your suffering.  Same thing here.  Anorexics definitely have mental issues, but you can't treat them without taking into account the ubiquitous derp of media, among other factors.
 
2013-04-23 10:35:08 AM

dragonchild: nekom: There is plenty of blame to go around, not the least of which falls on the media's portrayal of what beauty is supposed to be.

Define "media" here.  The "media" as most people know it is currently infatuated with Jennifer Lawrence and she's got one of the roundest faces I've ever seen for an A-list celebrity.  Which is fine; she's got healthy meat on her bones.

By "media" I think you mean fashion media, and anyone who takes fashion media more seriously than time-killing bemusement is probably an insane, self-loathing woman.  Clothing models are not beautiful and I honestly have never heard of anyone who thinks they are.  They're bony because their job is to be walking wire hangers and the fashion industry is dominated by psychopaths who treat models with the same regard as CAFO livestock.


You missed the point. The point is that it is everybody else's fault. These young women shouldn't be held responsible for their own decisions.
 
2013-04-23 10:36:34 AM

miss diminutive: For some of the people who I've read about, their eating habits and their weight is literally the only thing they feel they can control in their lives. Over time it eventually takes over and soon enough they're quite literally starving themselves as their world spins out of control.


I heard one interview on Mental Illness Happy Hour from a woman who said it was like a natural high when she starved herself. Because she was in control and because her body would try to compensate with hormones to lessen the pain and it would send her into a euphoric state at times. Her first week of hunger was apparently the best.
 
2013-04-23 10:41:27 AM

KatjaMouse: Polyhazard: What on earth are you talking about? Who are these "femnizazis" (thanks, Rush Limbaugh,) and how are they "losing their crap?"

On UpWorthy, Facebook and a couple of other blogs I've been seeing jerks posting links to underneath that video basically arguing that Dove is still an insidious corporation that wants to 'sell beauty' (duh) and that "if beauty isn't so important then why are the women being told their beautiful at the end?" (no, rly) or "there's like 1 token black chick and the rest are blue eyed blondes" (ugh, fine...) or "how dare they imply that whether you think you're pretty or not impacts how you do at your job or raise your family!" And worse that a whole bunch of people tend to post echoing agreements to those posts.


I've seen plenty of what I would call "healthy debate and critique," of this campaign. Without seeing your specific examples, I'm unsure how they compare... But I certainly hope a person can discuss its problematic aspects without being labeled "feminazi."

Personallty, I found the message of "gee, it's all in your head" a bit patronizing when you can go visit the comments section of any news website and see women being sized up and ripped apart for their physical appearance. So it may be in your head, but it's not like it isn't being reinforced somewhere.

Does this observation make me a feminazi?

Someone responded to you above to suggest that you're talking about people who "lack critical thinking," but it seems like that applies more the the gal who hits the "share" button and says "it's all so TRUE."
 
2013-04-23 10:41:36 AM

KatjaMouse: miss diminutive: For some of the people who I've read about, their eating habits and their weight is literally the only thing they feel they can control in their lives. Over time it eventually takes over and soon enough they're quite literally starving themselves as their world spins out of control.


yeah, my therapist was treating a girl who was bulimic because her parents controlled every aspect of her life, and that was the one thing they couldn't control.  she was losing her teeth and her voice due to the acid from vomiting.


 
2013-04-23 10:52:05 AM

KatjaMouse: Polyhazard: Got a link?

Oh yeah... this is the one that people refer to the most: Why Dove's "Real Beauty Sketches" video makes me uncomfortable... and kind of makes me angry


She kinds of lost me at "Winnie the Pooh," but is it really that out of line?

You disagree with her critique. I think parts of it are stronger than others. But it's not like she's trying to shut anyone else down... Do you really think someone deserves a slur that compares them to a murderous fascist regime because they had a different opinion of a soap commercial than you?
 
2013-04-23 10:53:31 AM
Americans aren't fat, we're just beating anorexia.
 
2013-04-23 10:56:27 AM

KatjaMouse: I heard one interview on Mental Illness Happy Hour from a woman who said it was like a natural high when she starved herself. Because she was in control and because her body would try to compensate with hormones to lessen the pain and it would send her into a euphoric state at times. Her first week of hunger was apparently the best.


Was this assertion backed up by scientific research?  Everything I've read says the body doesn't "compensate" with hormones to induce euphoria; its first survival instinct is to slam itself with suffering to tell the brain I AM DYING OHGOD FEED ME NOW.  The anguish is so horrible people have been known to eat dirt or rocks to ease the pangs.  On the flip side, most anorexics are also pathological liars; their loved ones are cautioned to NOT trust ANY assertions of an anorexic.  I've heard stories of anorexic college students telling their parents (over the phone) that they're fine when they're about to be hospitalized, or hiding containers of rotting food in the closet (or wherever) to trick friends who check the fridge and garbage to make sure they're eating.  When talking about themselves, it's safer to assume everything is a lie unless proven otherwise.  One of the reasons why anorexia is so dangerous is that the starvation aspect is only one symptom, being the most dangerous and simultaneously the easiest to treat.  Anorexics are also usually delusional, co-dependent, dishonest and notoriously uncooperative.  Their first reaction to concern or advice isn't to take it to heart, but to feed off the attention.  Statements like, "Oh god, you're so skinny you're dying; you must eat something!" are twisted into compliments in their minds.  They take such concerns as evidence their anorexia is working.  There are many, many pieces to fix and layers to crack to fix an anorexic.  From what I've heard, trying to treat an anorexic is like driving 300 miles to bring a wounded wolverine to the vet; anyone patient enough to try is practically a martyr.

/ sister is a MSSW
// step one in treating crazy people is to realize they are mentally broken; you can't just tell them to snap out of it
 
2013-04-23 10:57:12 AM

Polyhazard: I've seen plenty of what I would call "healthy debate and critique," of this campaign. Without seeing your specific examples, I'm unsure how they compare... But I certainly hope a person can discuss its problematic aspects without being labeled "feminazi."


Well not sure if you noticed the second response I made where I linked to an article that also has been seen as somewhat controversial in how it interpreted the ad.

However making the argument about a corporation capitalizing on selling beauty by asking the consumer to embrace who they are may at first be disingenuous, absolutely. I also think a dose of cynicism for everyone is healthy. However by picking on a line within the ad where one of the subjects states that your self perception and your idea of your own attractiveness can affect your personal and professional life just smacks as someone who does not seem to live anywhere on this planet. Is it nice that we think we can live in a world where appearance isn't everything? We already do. However we take the most basic steps to wash and groom ourselves to make us somewhat appealing to be seen or interacted with. Both men and women want to make good first impressions so we have weird things that we obsess over. I'm a fatty but I don't care about that as much as some of the greys in my hair much like my sister zeros in on her crows feet. If we were asked to describe ourselves to someone we'd probably shine spotlights on the flaws rather than the overall appearance. While this ad probably would have been better used if they had more diversity much like in the earlier days of their campaign (which the author argues Dove has only used thin Caucasian women for which is patently incorrect) it overall did send a resounding and even correct message that you, the consumer, are your harshest critic. Maybe you need to give yourself a break and not spend $40 every month on a miracle product that will do away with whatever blemish on your person that you hate because likely you're the only one who even knows it's there.
 
2013-04-23 11:02:03 AM

dragonchild: KatjaMouse: I heard one interview on Mental Illness Happy Hour from a woman who said it was like a natural high when she starved herself. Because she was in control and because her body would try to compensate with hormones to lessen the pain and it would send her into a euphoric state at times. Her first week of hunger was apparently the best.

Was this assertion backed up by scientific research?


If I recall correctly this was a science writer who's background was neuro-science so she may have even been comparing some of her own experiences to what she was picking up academically around the same time that this was going on.

dragonchild: "Oh god, you're so skinny you're dying; you must eat something!" are twisted into compliments in their minds.


With other guests on the show who've battled eating disorders, usually the over eaters, the host would joke "It's like when you see an anorexic or heroine addict you haven't seen in years, you don't quite know they're sick by looking at them, and you say 'Hey, you look great!' But then you see that fat person who's probably dealing the same amount of pain and you just outright dismiss them."
 
2013-04-23 11:07:56 AM

KatjaMouse: If I recall correctly this was a science writer who's background was neuro-science so she may have even been comparing some of her own experiences to what she was picking up academically around the same time that this was going on.


Wait, it was the neuroscience writer who was the anorexic?  My point isn't to say that I'm right; if there are cases of starvation-induced euphoria I've never heard of them but that doesn't mean they don't exist.  If some outside source actually confirmed this fine.   My point is that you can never, EVER trust an anorexic's taken on their own disorder, no matter what their credentials are.  Anorexia and pathological dishonesty are so inseparable they're practically fused into one -- after all, the self-image issues can't be sustained in the face of all evidence if they weren't clinically delusional.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:49 AM
Z1P2: Americans aren't fat, we're just beating anorexia.

I've whipped its ass
 
2013-04-23 11:17:27 AM
First world problems. Maybe if they had better quality furniture that could easily support the heftier gal, these bags of antlers wouldn't have so much pressure to stay thin.

Thanks IKEA!
 
2013-04-23 11:17:32 AM

dragonchild: KatjaMouse: If I recall correctly this was a science writer who's background was neuro-science so she may have even been comparing some of her own experiences to what she was picking up academically around the same time that this was going on.

Wait, it was the neuroscience writer who was the anorexic?  My point isn't to say that I'm right; if there are cases of starvation-induced euphoria I've never heard of them but that doesn't mean they don't exist.  If some outside source actually confirmed this fine.   My point is that you can never, EVER trust an anorexic's taken on their own disorder, no matter what their credentials are.  Anorexia and pathological dishonesty are so inseparable they're practically fused into one -- after all, the self-image issues can't be sustained in the face of all evidence if they weren't clinically delusional.


Yes, it was the science writer who was the anorexic. However she wasn't relaying this story as a good thing. She was sharing her story of struggle and her hardest reason for kicking the starvation was because it made her feel great. And she admitted that it was part of her sickness (she was very adamant about referring to it as a sickness as well) and was telling the story of her recover and subsequent struggles as well. Like if she's been shut in working she'll have a friend actually calling her up and ask if she's eaten something and basically badger her until she agrees to leave her work and make a proper meal.
 
2013-04-23 11:50:18 AM

KatjaMouse: dragonchild: KatjaMouse: If I recall correctly this was a science writer who's background was neuro-science so she may have even been comparing some of her own experiences to what she was picking up academically around the same time that this was going on.

Wait, it was the neuroscience writer who was the anorexic?  My point isn't to say that I'm right; if there are cases of starvation-induced euphoria I've never heard of them but that doesn't mean they don't exist.  If some outside source actually confirmed this fine.   My point is that you can never, EVER trust an anorexic's taken on their own disorder, no matter what their credentials are.  Anorexia and pathological dishonesty are so inseparable they're practically fused into one -- after all, the self-image issues can't be sustained in the face of all evidence if they weren't clinically delusional.

Yes, it was the science writer who was the anorexic. However she wasn't relaying this story as a good thing. She was sharing her story of struggle and her hardest reason for kicking the starvation was because it made her feel great. And she admitted that it was part of her sickness (she was very adamant about referring to it as a sickness as well) and was telling the story of her recover and subsequent struggles as well. Like if she's been shut in working she'll have a friend actually calling her up and ask if she's eaten something and basically badger her until she agrees to leave her work and make a proper meal.


I've starved myself intentionally before and I've experienced euphoria, but I would be hesitant to call it a standard hormonal response to hunger. I would more liken it to an aroused giddiness to overcoming severe pain and anguish (yes that pain eventually goes away or go numb). Actually I felt the exact same thing after receiving a salt water IV for extreme dehydration at the hospital (yep, relief of intense pain can be euphoric).

Not really sure what the point of this debate was, but typically the body does not reinforce starvation, the mind does. Don't you like being in control and losing weight? The hardest thing to change is a person's mind...especially when the mind is delusional.
 
2013-04-23 11:59:42 AM

elysive: I've starved myself intentionally before and I've experienced euphoria, but I would be hesitant to call it a standard hormonal response to hunger. I would more liken it to an aroused giddiness to overcoming severe pain and anguish (yes that pain eventually goes away or go numb). Actually I felt the exact same thing after receiving a salt water IV for extreme dehydration at the hospital (yep, relief of intense pain can be euphoric).


If I recall correctly it was the first week that was amazing and after that she was chasing that similar feeling.
 
2013-04-23 12:21:13 PM

Oldiron_79: So how about my plan to use a time machine to recruit models from Auschwitz? I mean you just cant get that kinda thin these days without going to sub saharan Africa.


It's Sweden. Sub-Saharan Africa goes there.
 
2013-04-23 12:32:01 PM

elysive: I felt the exact same thing after receiving a salt water IV for extreme dehydration at the hospital (yep, relief of intense pain can be euphoric).


Same here.  Last time I experienced that kind of euphoria is when I finally took some meds after fighting acute bronchitis for way too long.  I was so exhausted I was close to sobbing, then WHOOSH!  Zero discomfort.  I was never so happy to pass out and slept the deepest sleep of my life.  (I know it's the same because I've also felt the rehydration rush when on another occasion a stomach bug almost killed me.)  But I would never, ever, ever say it was worth it.  It's interesting to hear about; if some (or all) anorexics are chasing a high then they're really addicts and should be treated accordingly.
 
2013-04-23 01:09:11 PM

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I am expose for You impostering! The "ø" is not used in Svenska. It is Norvegian. Only I am true Swëdish Mödeling Agentcy for send your pictures to. Tack så mycket!

I will take no møre of this insült! Face the wrath of my møøse cävalry!


Your møøse cävalry are no match for my True Swedish® Beavär Märines. Supported by the Hummer Navy,  they kanst come ashöre from the sea, canals, rivers, lakes, and take over of åll your command centers. In a yetta stor pincer move, the Wolverine Infantry will come down from the North and your møøse cävalry  will be reduced to trophies on my wall.

I am Swediska Modeling Agency. I will have photo. For you, make naked, that we can see all your shape, and then We know how to make dressing on you. For MODELING!
 
2013-04-23 01:10:40 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Oldiron_79: So how about my plan to use a time machine to recruit models from Auschwitz? I mean you just cant get that kinda thin these days without going to sub saharan Africa.

It's Sweden. Sub-Saharan Africa goes there.


You're thinking of Swaziland. It's just a few letters up the road from Switzerland.
 
2013-04-23 01:17:32 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: they kanst come ashöre from the sea, canals, rivers, lakes


No fjords?  How will you handle the Nørwegiåns?
 
2013-04-23 01:19:09 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: God-is-a-Taco: Oldiron_79: So how about my plan to use a time machine to recruit models from Auschwitz? I mean you just cant get that kinda thin these days without going to sub saharan Africa.

It's Sweden. Sub-Saharan Africa goes there.

You're thinking of Swaziland. It's just a few letters up the road from Switzerland.


Which one of those shares a border with Australia?
 
2013-04-23 02:09:20 PM

xoxo: Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in those Dove real beauty campaigns? They claim you're beautiful as is, but shill products to help make you look younger, thus better and more pleasing to look at.


Oh, and don´t forget they sell skin whitening products in Asia. Because you´re beautiful and all, but only if you have light skin...
 
2013-04-23 02:43:20 PM
Oh shut up. Models are supposed to be thin.
 
2013-04-23 03:56:53 PM
This makes me a bad person but I watch Survivor. Oh wait, yeah that does make me a bad person but what makes me a really bad person is this: every season there are a few attractive ladies. In the finale, which is months later after the show they all look much less lean and invariably I find myself thinking that they were way hotter when they were half-starved and semi-gaunt. It's strange, really. You would think that we would be biologically programmed to be attracted to women who are getting plenty to eat and have at least some fat stores for survival. I don't get it.
 
2013-04-23 04:29:05 PM

Jument: This makes me a bad person but I watch Survivor. Oh wait, yeah that does make me a bad person but what makes me a really bad person is this: every season there are a few attractive ladies. In the finale, which is months later after the show they all look much less lean and invariably I find myself thinking that they were way hotter when they were half-starved and semi-gaunt. It's strange, really. You would think that we would be biologically programmed to be attracted to women who are getting plenty to eat and have at least some fat stores for survival. I don't get it.


Most of us are attracted to women with some fat stores, women who look healthy and neither starved nor obese. This is the norm, however certainly not everybody is attracted to women like that. Don't feel bad, you can't help what you're attracted to. Just because something's not considered the norm doesn't mean it's bad or inferior nor better than the norm, just means it's not the average or representative of the majority.
 
2013-04-23 04:39:30 PM

Jument: This makes me a bad person but I watch Survivor. Oh wait, yeah that does make me a bad person but what makes me a really bad person is this: every season there are a few attractive ladies. In the finale, which is months later after the show they all look much less lean and invariably I find myself thinking that they were way hotter when they were half-starved and semi-gaunt. It's strange, really. You would think that we would be biologically programmed to be attracted to women who are getting plenty to eat and have at least some fat stores for survival. I don't get it.


For me it's just more shocking.  They show the last episode and then immediately show the finale which is weeks or months later (I'm not sure on the timeframe) and it's a little shocking sometimes only because you've gotten so used to how these people look as you've seen them get thinner and thinner over the past few months.  It's a dramatic difference when they go straight from their thinnest point to a time skip where they are their normal size again.  The thing is though, sometimes they'll show clips from the first episode and even comparing the first episode to the last is shocking for some of them.  Sometimes they look better on the show, sometimes not though.  I'd say it's more about what you've gotten used to though.  It's definitely weird seeing some of them with full round faces at the finale.
 
2013-04-23 07:10:39 PM
submitted with a better headline last week

/still hungry
 
2013-04-23 08:33:54 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: F

lap flap flap flap flap flap ...

/FTFY
 
2013-04-23 10:54:33 PM
A Swedish modeling agency thread without one pic of 'what a Swedish model may look like?'

Farking fail.
 
2013-04-23 11:05:50 PM
In other news, there's an organization dedicated to getting autistic people jobs doing QA for software companies:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123567371
 
2013-04-24 03:08:25 AM
Oh wow, I wasn't expecting to see this on the main page today ... 9 years on FARK, my first greenlight! Go me.
 
2013-04-24 02:31:29 PM
SirPenguin - congratulations
Skipped ahead a bit, did I miss anyone making the traditional FARK comment about "bag of antlers" yet? I still find that to be the best description of "fashion models".
Face it, these designers want a pole on wheels with a hanger on top. Hang their rags on it and shove on down the runway. So long as it sells product, GREAT!
 
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