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2013-04-23 02:33:40 PM  
I've got to admit, I'm not a very good person. When various bits of news occur I get the knee-jerk response, "Damn all (insert faith/race/etc.) to hell".
And later on I remember all the very good people I know, who are Muslim. Or Catholics. Or Germans. Including some very good friends. And I feel ashamed and wonder why the hell I can't let my reasoning- which I'm often overly proud of- override the tribal group-think, or rather group-not-thinking, that I mock at in countless examples in world history.
To put it bluntly, I'm a dumbass.
 
2013-04-23 02:35:02 PM  

miss diminutive: Usually people like that backpack across Europe or take up drinking; he decided to blow up people. I don't think this was simply an existential crisis, he obviously had some greater motive and meant to send a message, regardless of how nonsensical or twisted that message may be.


Well, some people shoot up schools. Some people shoot up their families.  "If I can't be happy, no one can, and I'm going to make a big splash going out."

corronchilejano: I'm sorry but how is a casserole a weapon of mass destruction?


Because the US is reactionary and paranoid.

AngryJailhouseFistfark: It is relevant in that it explains the motivation. That is where the relevance stops. The Derpers will say that it is clear evidence that Islam is a batshiat murder-frenzy cult and thus we must make every effort to destroy it (for the Glory of BibleGod and his boy Jesus, most likely).

The Tsarnaevs were born cultural muslims in the same way most American Christians are born to it, celebrating Christmas & Easter but rarely reading the Bible except maybe 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 at cousin Jimmy's wedding. Then as another poster commented, the elder brother became directionless and sought his religious roots for a sense of purpose.

In this way he's no different than Tim McVeigh. Consider T McV: a loyal, native-born American citizen, awkward teen, but successful as an enlisted soldier in the US Army, Persian Gulf War Veteran, honorably discharged after turned down for the special forces. Directionless, he turned to radical separatism, the White Supremecists and the Militia Movement. Stand up against this oppressive US Government Regime! It gave him a sense of purpose and meaning, and if you REALLY believe, you do something big to show you're serious and not just a dilettante.

Same dynamic. But saying, "Oh, see, he's Muslin so we best fire up the War Machine and invade [petroleum/natural gas producing nation of your choice]" is pointless and stupid, UNLESS you can prove that the country in question sponsored it or consciously allowed someone in their borders to sponsor it.

Beyond that, the Muslim Doesn't Matter.


Indeed.

As far as I know, the FBI is concluding more and more that yes, the brothers acted alone.  Merely being inspired by some radical websites online does not make them agents of some super secret terrorist cell or anything like that.

Personally I still think identity issues played a role in this (where the older brother in particular is concerned) and it would provide some reasoning for him to decide to look into becoming "stricter" about Islam.  If he feels alienated in the US and then feels alienated among "Chechens" too (which is entirely possible considering his age and age at immigration and all that) he may be thinking, well, I'm gonna prove myself as "fighting for the cause" however ineptly.
 
2013-04-23 02:35:54 PM  

Tatsuma: Hebrew is still 100% required for any study that is above the level of a 4th grader.


Yes. Ish.

// a good teacher can maybe get you up to grade 6
// same goes for the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of the Dead, Beowulf and Dante's Inferno
 
2013-04-23 02:40:13 PM  
Yeah but what about the crusades 722 years go and that OKC bombing guy ................oh wait, Timothy McVeigh had lost touch with religion at the time of the bombing.

Ok, so what about the crusades man!
 
2013-04-23 02:43:30 PM  

walkingtall: Resident Muslim: I've actually found Fark to be well-knowledged about Islam, with many non-Muslims (atheists, agnostics, Christians and Jews etc) dispelling many myths, and I personally thank them or that.
I know there are trolls here.

Im sorry but I respectfully disagree with you. I have studied Mohammed, the Koran and the Hadiths extensively and your cherry picking of a couple verses is just as bad as a Christian cherry picking verses from the Bible to make a point. The Koran, Hadiths and history all come together to provide context to what the texts mean. I do not speak Arabic so my views are not given any weight by serious scholars of Islam of course but the translations, in the real world, give a pretty good insight into what Islam is and what it wants to be. Mohammed is the highest prophet of Allah and as such what he says and what he did goes.


I'm not sure what it is you are respectfully disagreeing with.
I'm also not sure when you say cherry-picking, it would imply avoiding other cherries. :)
Some points you might find interesting:
- Mohammed was chastised in the Quran by God (at least once that I can recall now) for trying to convert a noble and rich person and ignoring a blind pious man (my words/understanding)
- a translation (and as such is based on a person's understanding): Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude. [3:144]

So unless you were trying to prove how unguarded I am against trollishness...
:)
 
2013-04-23 02:46:38 PM  

give me doughnuts: over_and_done: give me doughnuts: Resident Muslim: The Quran actually says (paraphrasing of my understanding) that to take an innocent life is like killing all of humanity

Can a non-believer ever be considered "innocent"?

Yes.  Try harder.

Justify your answer using quotes and commentary from the Qur'an and the hadith. To steal a phrase: Try harder.


No.  I've put just as much effort in my answer as you put into your trolling question.  You don't want an answer, you want to feel good about justifying your own attitudes, and it's easy to see why.  Neither of us gives a fark.

/done with thread
//y'all have a good day now
 
2013-04-23 03:01:55 PM  

ohdoublereally: MaliFinn: give me doughnuts: MaliFinn: It wasn't Islam, Islam is an excuse.  It was from a larger, more consistently destructive demographic:

Age 18-24 American males


You're not really good at counting, are you?

Oh, was the older idiot slightly above age 24?  Whatever.  You've avoided the point while being technically correct on the internet.  This means you are a special, intelligent person who is completely unlike everyone else on the internet.  Your mother must be very proud.

And you're like a lot of people with their head deep in the sand.


Nah, the 18-24 male demographic is basically responsible for every evil in the world.  It's carried a thousand different banners, but it's always the same stupid young male trying to figure out what it means to be a man, and failing miserably.
 
2013-04-23 03:07:40 PM  

Resident Muslim: The Quran actually says (paraphrasing of my understanding) that to take an innocent life is like killing all of humanity.


Of course.   But the way to tap dance around that is to declare that the people you killed are guilty of something.  Ie: the people killed at the WTC were supporting the system that they didnt like.
 
2013-04-23 03:32:17 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Resident Muslim: The Quran actually says (paraphrasing of my understanding) that to take an innocent life is like killing all of humanity.

Of course.   But the way to tap dance around that is to declare that the people you killed are guilty of something.  Ie: the people killed at the WTC were supporting the system that they didnt like.


Uh, no. Though indeed that sounds scary in a "booga-booga they hate us all" fashion.

But let me say that that was true, for argument's sake, are you telling me that you'll crash two planes into two buildings and not expect to kill an innocent child?

/no collateral damage in Islam.
 
2013-04-23 03:43:37 PM  

MaliFinn: give me doughnuts: MaliFinn: It wasn't Islam, Islam is an excuse.  It was from a larger, more consistently destructive demographic:

Age 18-24 American males


You're not really good at counting, are you?

Oh, was the older idiot slightly above age 24?  Whatever.  You've avoided the point while being technically correct on the internet.  This means you are a special, intelligent person who is completely unlike everyone else on the internet.  Your mother must be very proud.


No, it means you are a freaking moran who seemingly thinks there are more American males between 18-24 than there are Muslims on the planet.
Your mother must be very ashamed.
 
2013-04-23 03:50:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: give me doughnuts: There are translations of the Qur'an in over 100 languages. None of them are considered "blasphemy."

He's also wrong about Jews forbidding translation of the Torah (the reason it's a big deal when a kid first reads it is because it's the first time he gets to lead the service as the community's representative). Orthodox, Hasidic and other ultra-observant groups fund translations into English, Yiddish, Arabic and pretty much every other language on Earf.

Maybe it was correct a thousand years ago or more (supposedly, the day the Torah was translated into Greek was a great tragedy, but even the Talmud argues that it made the text more accessible to lay folk), but these days, every holy book can be found translated into every major dialect.


You can correct me if I'm wrong cause this is your side of the street and not mine, But I believe that while there are tranlations of the Torah in many languages, a book is NOT an actual Torah, and therefore sacred, unless it is not only in Hebrew, but also written by hand to exact specifications that require destruction of the entire document for a single typo

Same with the Koran (qu'ran lit "God's word")   Among all Muslims that I am aware of,  it cannot be considered the actual, and therefore sacred, Koran if it is in any other language than English.   In recent times the stricter intepretations of Islam (Salafist and Wahabbi) regard even the act of translation as a grave evil and blasphemous.  There was a case in Afghanistan as recently as 2008 where clerics and government officials (NOT the Taliban) were calling for the execution of a journalist who distributed copies of the Koran in the native language of one of Afghanistan's minority tribes
 
2013-04-23 03:51:19 PM  

thunderbird8804: If people are going to treat all Muslims like the guys in Boston, why can't I treat all Christians like Eric Rudolph?

Because you know that's stupid, stop being so glib.


Why is it stupid?

Let me ask you this, do you associate all Muslims with the guys in Boston or do you realize that there are decent Muslims out there like there are decent Christians, decent Jews, etc.
 
2013-04-23 03:58:28 PM  

give me doughnuts: MaliFinn: give me doughnuts: No, it means you are a freaking moran who seemingly thinks there are more American males between 18-24 than there are Muslims on the planet.
Your mother must be very ashamed.


No, what I'm saying is if you look at crime in the US - hate crime, violent crime, terrorism, etc. - you won't find muslims dominating the brackets, you will find 18-24 males.  This is a pretty strong indicator that 18-24 males are violent idiots.

And you sound awfully defensive, I wish you well in your battle with adolescence.
 
2013-04-23 04:07:55 PM  
The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.
 
2013-04-23 04:13:04 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.


You see, just because more terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims than Christians, that magically makes all Muslims terrorists regardless of all the good they do like thwarting future terror attacks in Canada.

It really makes sense when you don't think about it.
 
2013-04-23 04:16:26 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.


Actually there are a fair number of people (myself included) that do see Phelps as being representative of what's wrong with Christians and Christianity, just as this kid is representative of what's is wrong with Islam and its practitioners.
 
2013-04-23 04:28:50 PM  

bingo the psych-o: rufus-t-firefly: The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.

Actually there are a fair number of people (myself included) that do see Phelps as being representative of what's wrong with Christians and Christianity, just as this kid is representative of what's is wrong with Islam and its practitioners.


To be fair, Pat Robertson would be a better example of what's wrong with Christianity than Fred "Professional Plaintiff" Phelps.
 
2013-04-23 04:30:18 PM  
Tea-Bagger Tabby is pretty smug right now.


i.imgur.com

The libs were so sure the bombers were Tea-Baggers.  But OH HEY, they were your precious, misunderstood, peace-loving Muslims. AGAIN.

Keep squirming.  Keep flailing about and claiming "their religion doesn't matter!"  Cry more.  Just admit it; you prayed.  Prayed the bombers were your political opponents.
 
2013-04-23 04:33:01 PM  

weltallica: The libs were so sure the bombers were Tea-Baggers.  But OH HEY, they were your precious, misunderstood, peace-loving Muslims. AGAIN.

Keep squirming.  Keep flailing about and claiming "their religion doesn't matter!"  Cry more.  Just admit it; you prayed.  Prayed the bombers were your political opponents.


You need to calm down.
 
2013-04-23 04:41:35 PM  

Z1P2: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.


Actually, most terrorist acts are committed by Sepratists (Basques in Spain, IRA in Ireland, etc...)

Stats do show that when terrorist acts are committed for religious motivation, Islam is implicated in about 80% of cases (in Europe at least).  That being said, the percentage of fanatical Islamists who are willing to kill or cause harm for their sky wizard is REALLY low.  Where I have a huge problem is in the backlash against those who are peace loving citizens who hate this type of shiat as much as any Christian or Jew (SOFT J!!!!   :P )
 
2013-04-23 04:41:39 PM  

MaliFinn: give me doughnuts: MaliFinn: give me doughnuts: No, it means you are a freaking moran who seemingly thinks there are more American males between 18-24 than there are Muslims on the planet.
Your mother must be very ashamed.

No, what I'm saying is if you look at crime in the US - hate crime, violent crime, terrorism, etc. - you won't find muslims dominating the brackets, you will find 18-24 males.  This is a pretty strong indicator that 18-24 males are violent idiots.

And you sound awfully defensive, I wish you well in your battle with adolescence.


If that was what you meant, then why didn't you post that rather than:  It wasn't Islam, Islam is an excuse. It was from a larger, more consistently destructive demographic:

Age 18-24 American males


which appears to assert that there are more American males in the 18-24 age bracket than there are Muslims on the planet.
 
2013-04-23 04:48:10 PM  

mangeybear: Hickory-smoked: The point is we should ask if the potential for militancy has more to do with the basic tenets of a religion, or current global politics. I think the latter is more likely, and handwringing about Muslims and racially profiling them isn't likely to help that.

I'm guessing you think the tenets have nothing to do with the potential for militancy?


No more so than that of other religions.

 I also guess that it doesn't alarm you that the world's 1.6 billion Muslims have produced only two Nobel laureates in chemistry and physics; the worlds Jews, one hundred times less numerous, have produced 79.

That's a complete non-sequitor. The Jewish Diaspora is primarily in First-world nations, along with the world's top science and research institutions. Most of the 1.6 billion you refer to are not. And if you think there's something intrinsically anti-intellectual about Islam as a faith, you know literally nothing about the history of science.

Some of us think that the religious faith itself, or at least it's leadership, might have a bearing on behavior.

Exactly. Leadership.

There is no Pope or supreme authority in Islam. There are dozens of major schools and branches of Islamic ideology. Any leader can issue a hadith that will either be accepted by followers or ignored by others.

According to the Economist magazine,  the Saudi government supports books for Islamic schools such as "The Unchallengeable Miracles of the Qur'an: The Facts That Can't Be Denied By Science" suggesting an inherent conflict between belief and reason.

I know, I know, you'll say Christian fundies just as bad, and I'll say no they're not.


The only difference I can see between "The Unchallengeable Miracles of the Qur'an" and "Biology For Christian Schools" is that one is distributed by a theocratic government and the other one merely wants to be.

That's why I don't discriminate against Muslims, but I do against Theocrats.
 
2013-04-23 04:50:17 PM  

Magorn: But I believe that while there are tranlations of the Torah in many languages, a book is NOT an actual Torah


You're confusing "a Torah" with "the Torah". [fightclub.jpg]

"The Torah" is the text itself. From "In the beginning" to ...um, the last verse (in Chronicles II). "A Torah" is the ceremonial thing the text gets printed on that the kid reads from. It's got some pretty involved design specs, down to the ingredients for ink and legibility of characters.

To avoid confusion, the latter is often referred to as a "sefer Torah" (a book/scroll of the Torah).

// tmyk
 
2013-04-23 04:55:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Magorn: But I believe that while there are tranlations of the Torah in many languages, a book is NOT an actual Torah

You're confusing "a Torah" with "the Torah". [fightclub.jpg]

"The Torah" is the text itself. From "In the beginning" to ...um, the last verse (in Chronicles II). "A Torah" is the ceremonial thing the text gets printed on that the kid reads from. It's got some pretty involved design specs, down to the ingredients for ink and legibility of characters.

To avoid confusion, the latter is often referred to as a "sefer Torah" (a book/scroll of the Torah).

// tmyk


Oh, and I should add that a sefer Torah only has the Pentateuch on it. So it'd be from "In the beginning" to "...before of all Israel" (end of Deuteronomy).

// or, if you prefer, from "בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא" to "לְעֵינֵי כָּל יִשְׂרָאֵל"
 
2013-04-23 04:59:37 PM  
for those confused about Christianity, the Pope just works for Catholics. nobody else really cares what goes on at the Vatican except on a slow news day.

so there really isn't a "supreme authority" for Christianity, either.

/ carry on with the derping
 
2013-04-23 05:15:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: thunderbird8804: If people are going to treat all Muslims like the guys in Boston, why can't I treat all Christians like Eric Rudolph?

Because you know that's stupid, stop being so glib.

Why is it stupid?

Let me ask you this, do you associate all Muslims with the guys in Boston or do you realize that there are decent Muslims out there like there are decent Christians, decent Jews, etc.


I linked that Hitchens video for a reason, the most relevant segment is about 8:25 to 9:10.
 
2013-04-23 05:22:04 PM  

This text is now purple: IlGreven: On that subject (and risking bringing the gun-nuts in), didja ever notice that the blame game on stuff like metal, rap, D&D, videogames, teh ghey, etc. for school shootings et al came after the 2nd Amendment uber-alles nuts came into power in the NRA? Or, in other words, "blame everything but the guns"?

It was comics in the 1950s. It was talkies in the 1930s. It was booze in the 1920s. How far back do you want to chart the social ills of the age before you run into a weak NRA?


How many mass shootings were there in the '50s and the '30s?  How much violence was there before Prohibition as opposed to during it?

Again, blame everything but the guns. And when you can't blame anything other than the guns, keep making shiat up.
 
2013-04-23 05:56:35 PM  
Fark before the terrorist was caught: "Its not a muslim, it was mostly likely a frat boy tea party right wing nut job!" Stereotyping and assuming the worst of said group despite little evidence they do this sort of stuff.

Fark after the terrorist plot: "So, he doesn't represent islam"


You farkers are full of shiat. THIS is the real face of islam. Islam is a violent, totalitarian movement. There is no peace with islam, unless you are dead, a slave, or submit and convert. Islam is a violent ideology that is no better then national socialism. It should be treated as such, and outlawed in all western nations not as a religion, but as a violent hate cult.
 
2013-04-23 06:23:39 PM  

Hickory-smoked: mangeybear: Hickory-smoked:

That's a complete non-sequitor. The Jewish Diaspora is primarily in First-world nations, along with the world's top science and research institutions. Most of the 1.6 billion you refer to are not.


Oh please.  "First World" is supposed to refer to Cold War alignment, but I assume you mean that somehow the 1.6 billion live in "poor" countries.  Fine.  Then why do the largest countries of the 1.6 billion, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia, spend far less on research and development than countries with similar GDP per capita and literacy levels, like Brazil or Chile or China?

And if you think there's something intrinsically anti-intellectual about Islam as a faith, you know literally nothing about the history of science.

Not as a faith, everyone who's read history knows that Islamic cultures dominated astronomy, mathematics, medicine, and, well, history from the 8th to the 13th century.  But something happened, and Islamic science basically has slept for the last 800 years.  Sucks to be in last place.  Christianity was once, but has recently been doing just fine.

Exactly. Leadership.

There is no Pope or supreme authority in Islam.


Nor is there for Christianity, nor Judaism.

There are dozens of major schools and branches of Islamic ideology. Any leader can issue a hadith that will either be accepted by followers or ignored by others.

Clearly the Islamic leadership, in aggregate, has failed its adherents by failing to foster education and tolerance.

The only difference I can see between "The Unchallengeable Miracles of the Qur'an" and "Biology For Christian Schools" is that one is distributed by a theocratic government and the other one merely wants to be and never will be.

FTFY.  A few nuts in Texas != government of millions of citizens.

That's why I don't discriminate against Muslims, but I do against Theocrats.

Fine.  But only a fool would deny that theocracy is far more accepted and desired in today's Muslims than any other faith.  Scale matters.
 
2013-04-23 06:25:59 PM  

atomicmask: Fark before the terrorist was caught: "Its not a muslim, it was mostly likely a frat boy tea party right wing nut job!" Stereotyping and assuming the worst of said group despite little evidence they do this sort of stuff.

Fark after the terrorist plot: "So, he doesn't represent islam"


You farkers are full of shiat. THIS is the real face of islam. Islam is a violent, totalitarian movement. There is no peace with islam, unless you are dead, a slave, or submit and convert. Islam is a violent ideology that is no better then national socialism. It should be treated as such, and outlawed in all western nations not as a religion, but as a violent hate cult.


So what about the Muslims that are non violent like the guy in Canada who called the police to notify them that someone they know was planning a terror attack?

Are those Muslims violent and hateful too?

I'm just saying, that's quite a broad brush you're using there.
 
2013-04-23 07:11:27 PM  

Mrtraveler01: atomicmask: Fark before the terrorist was caught: "Its not a muslim, it was mostly likely a frat boy tea party right wing nut job!" Stereotyping and assuming the worst of said group despite little evidence they do this sort of stuff.

Fark after the terrorist plot: "So, he doesn't represent islam"


You farkers are full of shiat. THIS is the real face of islam. Islam is a violent, totalitarian movement. There is no peace with islam, unless you are dead, a slave, or submit and convert. Islam is a violent ideology that is no better then national socialism. It should be treated as such, and outlawed in all western nations not as a religion, but as a violent hate cult.

So what about the Muslims that are non violent like the guy in Canada who called the police to notify them that someone they know was planning a terror attack?

Are those Muslims violent and hateful too?

I'm just saying, that's quite a broad brush you're using there.


Yes, the same as the national socialists that supported hitlers ideology without actually doing any violent acts. When you support a violent ideology you support the violence it leads to.
 
2013-04-23 07:26:15 PM  

nekom: mamoru: Yeah, but based on this summary of a few sources (specifically cites NPR and the WSJ), the brother basically was to mainstream Islam what Westboro Baptist is to mainstream Christianity. He stood up during a sermon and loudly complained to his imam's suggestion that it was okay celebrate American holidays. He got pissy in a halal meat shop because they were advertising Thanksgiving turkeys.

Just because Islam turned out to be the channel for these idiots' insanity, that doesn't mean all Muslims are insane* and are all coming to kill you. Just sayin', keep some perspective.

*or at least any more insane than your average random member of any other mainstream religion

Good points. I think what we have here is a typical "us vs. them" situation. The "us" and "them" could be anything, really. Religion, politics, skin tone, whatever petty difference they can find. Then it just gets reinforced in some circles. Then it festers in the mind. It becomes an obsession. Every little thing you see in the news is "GRRRRRRRRRRR farking THEM!!!!! GAH! HATE HATE HATE!!! They are NOT US!!! RABBLE!!!" No different than a tea party rally, an ALF meeting, or any other group that perceives everyone else as "the enemy".


Oh, so like the Occupy Wall Streeters?
 
2013-04-23 07:41:47 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Big difference between the middle eastern dark skinned Alqueda plot that some suspected. Instead we got two honky Chechnya self radicals trying to " protect" Islam. One of them was a naturalized citizen

Kinda like how all those attracts by other radicals always seem to be done by lone wolfs.


In this case both sides were right.  The leftists wanted the terrorists to be white.  The people on the right correctly guessed they were moslem.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:08 PM  

People_are_Idiots: nekom: mamoru: Yeah, but based on this summary of a few sources (specifically cites NPR and the WSJ), the brother basically was to mainstream Islam what Westboro Baptist is to mainstream Christianity. He stood up during a sermon and loudly complained to his imam's suggestion that it was okay celebrate American holidays. He got pissy in a halal meat shop because they were advertising Thanksgiving turkeys.

Just because Islam turned out to be the channel for these idiots' insanity, that doesn't mean all Muslims are insane* and are all coming to kill you. Just sayin', keep some perspective.

*or at least any more insane than your average random member of any other mainstream religion

Good points. I think what we have here is a typical "us vs. them" situation. The "us" and "them" could be anything, really. Religion, politics, skin tone, whatever petty difference they can find. Then it just gets reinforced in some circles. Then it festers in the mind. It becomes an obsession. Every little thing you see in the news is "GRRRRRRRRRRR farking THEM!!!!! GAH! HATE HATE HATE!!! They are NOT US!!! RABBLE!!!" No different than a tea party rally, an ALF meeting, or any other group that perceives everyone else as "the enemy".

Oh, so like the Occupy Wall Streeters?


No it's okay and justified when they do it.

And the people making statements about how it either doesn't matter that they were Muslims or that they were just 'radicals' would likely have no trouble blaming the entire "right" if actually had been a Tea Party member like they so hoped it was.

I'll say it again: Islam under the absolute best circumstances is just as bad as Christianity, and in almost all cases is far worse. If liberals really believed the things they say they would be so anti-Islam that their dislike of Republicans would seem paltry by comparison.
 
2013-04-23 08:02:42 PM  

advex101: Mrbogey: Robert1966: So they received no outside help, yet they were both unemployed, one was a student, and they had a house AND an apartment?

And multiple vehicles...

millions of latino immigrants are technically unemployed but work every day and have all the things that you list above.


They tend to have laborous jobs, a family support network, and don't drive luxury models.

FlashHarry: PC LOAD LETTER: Actually, most terrorists are environmental activists, according to the FBI

Z1P2: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.

BZZZT you're both wrong. most domestic terrorists - the ones who actually harm or kill other americans - are of the right wing variety.


Their methodology sucks. A guy successfully burning down a mosque is treated with more weight than a guy failing to blow up a bridge or building.

The best irony of your article is it was published on Saturday, August 11th 2012 while Wednesday August 15th, 2012 a left-winger walked into the FRC and attempted to massacre as many people as possible spurred in part by the SPLC classifying the organization as a hate group.
 
2013-04-23 08:13:53 PM  
Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew- they all have their fanatics.

The Zoroastrians though; they seem reasonable.
 
2013-04-23 09:14:05 PM  

Tatsuma: runescorpio: Tbh i find its more the new converts with an addictive personality.

They were not converts, they were born Muslims, they just became more religious after their mother asked them to.



Wasn't talking about them. Was commenting on people that convert in general.
 
2013-04-23 09:24:46 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.


Fred Phelps is universally hated by christians and non christians. Osama bin laden is still reguarded as a martyr and hero by many many muslims. These two carpet bowing shiat heels that attacked boston have a growing muslim support group that swears they are innocent and good boys...

That is the farking difference.
 
2013-04-23 09:31:19 PM  

Frederick: Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew- they all have their fanatics.

The Zoroastrians though; they seem reasonable.


Reasonable?  They worship a Mazda.  I mean, I drive one myself, but I wouldn't worship it...
 
2013-04-23 10:40:17 PM  
Bedstead Polisher:Why all the covering for Islam?  Yes, all terrorists are not muslim and all muslims are not terrorists.

True, but 99% is good enough for me.
 
2013-04-23 11:07:13 PM  

NephilimNexus: Bedstead Polisher:Why all the covering for Islam?  Yes, all terrorists are not muslim and all muslims are not terrorists.

True, but 99% is good enough for me.


I think you were quoting bluefox3681, as I definitely do not agree.
 
2013-04-23 11:38:40 PM  

Frederick: Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew- they all have their fanatics.

The Zoroastrians though; they seem reasonable.


They gave us Freddie Mercury, so yeah.
 
2013-04-23 11:44:35 PM  

atomicmask: rufus-t-firefly: The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.

Fred Phelps is universally hated by christians and non christians. Osama bin laden is still reguarded as a martyr and hero by many many muslims.


"Many many" you say?

Well! Then prejudging them must be justified!
 
2013-04-24 01:00:50 AM  
Christianity is the true religion of peace.

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2013-04-24 01:40:51 AM  
randomjsa: People_are_Idiots: nekom: mamoru: Yeah, but based on this summary of a few sources (specifically cites NPR and the WSJ), the brother basically was to mainstream Islam what Westboro Baptist is to mainstream Christianity. He stood up during a sermon and loudly complained to his imam's suggestion that it was okay celebrate American holidays. He got pissy in a halal meat shop because they were advertising Thanksgiving turkeys.

Just because Islam turned out to be the channel for these idiots' insanity, that doesn't mean all Muslims are insane* and are all coming to kill you. Just sayin', keep some perspective.

*or at least any more insane than your average random member of any other mainstream religion

Good points. I think what we have here is a typical "us vs. them" situation. The "us" and "them" could be anything, really. Religion, politics, skin tone, whatever petty difference they can find. Then it just gets reinforced in some circles. Then it festers in the mind. It becomes an obsession. Every little thing you see in the news is "GRRRRRRRRRRR farking THEM!!!!! GAH! HATE HATE HATE!!! They are NOT US!!! RABBLE!!!" No different than a tea party rally, an ALF meeting, or any other group that perceives everyone else as "the enemy".

Oh, so like the Occupy Wall Streeters?

No it's okay and justified when they do it.

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This is ok? Protests are fine and dandy, but least pick up after yourselves. At least the nutters on the right did.


And the people making statements about how it either doesn't matter that they were Muslims or that they were just 'radicals' would likely have no trouble blaming the entire "right" if actually had been a Tea Party member like they so hoped it was.

That I am sure of. I was ready to also blame some local that wanted to glorify the New York marathon... but oh well...

I'll say it again: Islam under the absolute best circumstances is just as bad as Christianity, and in almost all cases is far worse. If liberals really believed the things they say they would be so anti-Islam that their dislike of Republicans would seem paltry by comparison.

Actually, I think they, like Republicans, tend to lie to get what they want, and would go to great lengths to get it.
 
2013-04-24 03:30:49 AM  

Hickory-smoked: atomicmask: rufus-t-firefly: The Tsarnaev brothers are representative of Muslims...but Fred Phelps isn't representative of Christians.

IT'S MAGIC.

Fred Phelps is universally hated by christians and non christians. Osama bin laden is still reguarded as a martyr and hero by many many muslims.

"Many many" you say?

Well! Then prejudging them must be justified!


Yes it is.
 
2013-04-24 11:57:13 AM  

People_are_Idiots: This is ok? Protests are fine and dandy, but least pick up after yourselves. At least the nutters on the right did.


In all fairness, the cops didn't knock over all of the Tea Party's stuff and haul them away.
 
2013-04-24 12:14:35 PM  

Hickory-smoked: People_are_Idiots: This is ok? Protests are fine and dandy, but least pick up after yourselves. At least the nutters on the right did.

In all fairness, the cops didn't knock over all of the Tea Party's stuff and haul them away.


That's miniscule.

- Nutters went, protested, and went home. OWS camped out there for weeks.
- Nutters registered their events. OWS didn't.
 
2013-04-24 04:19:31 PM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: Christianity is the true religion of peace.

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False equivalency is false, dickhead.
 
2013-04-24 10:19:24 PM  
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