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2013-04-23 10:56:37 AM
Onward Christian soldiers. Never forget the crusades.
 
2013-04-23 10:56:55 AM

Tommy Moo: Nana's Vibrator: That settles it.  If Islam didn't exist, these guys would be law abiding angels.

They sure as hell wouldn't have planted a bomb at the Boston Marathon and you're a naive moron if you try to pretend otherwise.


Yes, only Islamic extremists plant bombs:

www.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-04-23 10:57:16 AM

miss diminutive: JNowe: miss diminutive: So in order to defend your faith from attack, you decide the best course of action would be to kill innocent civilians, virtually guaranteeing a negative reaction and increased suspicion directed towards your faith?

When this guy said he didn't understand Americans, he really wasn't joking.

I dunno, he seems to have encouraged a lot of non-Muslims to rush to defend Islam.

Well, the last time there was a terrorist attack by Islamic extremists on American soil where civilians died the US soon became embroiled in two costly, long-lasting, bloody conflicts. A call for perspective and rational action isn't completely unwarranted.


Oh, I agree that perspective and rational action is warranted, though I don't know that there's a lot of that on either side.  But as far as the usual suspects rushing in to minimize the role that Islam played in the attacks, I'd say he understands at least one subset of Americans rather well.
 
2013-04-23 10:57:37 AM
At least in this case there were Muslims before the attack that were already denouncing some of the older brother's extremist beliefs.  And the foiled Canadian attack.

I think everyone's tired of this shiat, extremists on all sides excepted.
 
2013-04-23 10:57:39 AM

Tommy Moo: Nana's Vibrator: That settles it.  If Islam didn't exist, these guys would be law abiding angels.

They sure as hell wouldn't have planted a bomb at the Boston Marathon and you're a naive moron if you try to pretend otherwise.


You're absolutely right.  That's why I said they would be law abiding angels if Islam didn't exist.  What?  You think I was being sarcastic?  You think I'm doing the same thing now?
 
2013-04-23 10:58:37 AM

big pig peaches: Pants full of macaroni!!: Cool.  So, when do we ban Islam?

No news to ban it. Just slap a warning label on it.


Fair enough ... let's label them all with descriptions of what is contained inside.

www.atheistmafia.com
 
2013-04-23 10:58:37 AM

JonnyG: It is not Islam Republicans. It's extremism and can happen to anyone in any religion political party... or not in a religion political party.

But if it works for folks...


Hey, Republicans are OK after all.
 
2013-04-23 10:58:38 AM

Resident Muslim: The question then remains of where do you draw the line? The Islamic scholars differ in this, an luckily enough in mainstream Islam you do not have one governing body, not even the Muftis* of Saudi Arabia, so you have the option of listening to different religious viewpoints a making a conscious decision which makes sense to you**, or if they all make sense (or all don't) people usually adopt the viewpoint of the scholar they've felt comfortable with before in terms of how he thinks.


So you're encouraged to engage your brain and do some common-sense thinking?  I may have to revise my previous statement.
 
2013-04-23 10:58:55 AM

IronMyno: Magorn: Let me just say this as vaguely as possible.  If what I hear from someone who claims to know the wife of the older brother is true,   then this whole hyper-religious thing with him is a VERY recent development and he was perfectly fine being a decadent American before that.  While Islam was the window dressing for this, it wasn;t the REAL motivation, which, I supect had to do with the older brother suddenly having no farking clue what his life was about after he realized his Olympic dreams were never going to come true.

Consider yourself Favorited. And  great deal of respect on your cool minded very Post. I concur wholeheartedly.


This narrative won't work if he was actually involved in the murders in Waltham in 2011, to which he is now being tentatively linked. I don't know how much that is wishful thinking on the part of the authorities. It seems to me that your version is more likely than someone brutally killing three people and then, two years later, doing something much less personal like a bombing.
 
2013-04-23 10:59:06 AM

UNC_Samurai: Tommy Moo: Nana's Vibrator: That settles it.  If Islam didn't exist, these guys would be law abiding angels.

They sure as hell wouldn't have planted a bomb at the Boston Marathon and you're a naive moron if you try to pretend otherwise.

Yes, only Islamic extremists plant bombs:

[www.talkingpointsmemo.com image 425x528]


When did I say that? All ideologies that routinely inspire people to commit acts of terrorism must be ruthlessly castigated until their adherents are shamed into ever smaller circles of influence.
 
2013-04-23 10:59:12 AM
And guys stop saying that they were converts to Islam. They were not. They came from non-religious backgrounds but they were still Muslims and identified as such. It's just that they became more religious in the recent years. A convert to Islam would be someone who was born Hindu or non-Religious or a Buddhist and then decided to embrace Islam, not a bunch of guys who were born in Chechnya and went to Islamic schools when they were young.
 
2013-04-23 10:59:51 AM

Tatsuma: Apparently, the two other victims of the murders on September 11, 2011 were two Jews that Tamerlan's ex-friend was friends with.

Makes the murder thesis even more plausible


People get murdered every day - does it only matter when they're Jews?
 
2013-04-23 11:00:21 AM

nekom: mamoru: Yeah, but based on this summary of a few sources (specifically cites NPR and the WSJ), the brother basically was to mainstream Islam what Westboro Baptist is to mainstream Christianity. He stood up during a sermon and loudly complained to his imam's suggestion that it was okay celebrate American holidays. He got pissy in a halal meat shop because they were advertising Thanksgiving turkeys.

Just because Islam turned out to be the channel for these idiots' insanity, that doesn't mean all Muslims are insane* and are all coming to kill you. Just sayin', keep some perspective.

*or at least any more insane than your average random member of any other mainstream religion

Good points. I think what we have here is a typical "us vs. them" situation. The "us" and "them" could be anything, really. Religion, politics, skin tone, whatever petty difference they can find. Then it just gets reinforced in some circles. Then it festers in the mind. It becomes an obsession. Every little thing you see in the news is "GRRRRRRRRRRR farking THEM!!!!! GAH! HATE HATE HATE!!! They are NOT US!!! RABBLE!!!" No different than a tea party rally, an ALF meeting, or any other group that perceives everyone else as "the enemy".


The difference between radical violent Christians and radical violent Islamists is simple.  If a person reads the New Testament and adheres strictly to the teachings of Jesus then they would soon come to the conclusion that they are pacifist and probably socialist and defenders of tolerance, love, and inclusion.  If a person reads the teachings of Mohammed and follows them strictly then they would soon come to the conclusion that it is a doctrine of violence and intolerance.
 
2013-04-23 11:00:25 AM

Nana's Vibrator: Tommy Moo: Nana's Vibrator: That settles it.  If Islam didn't exist, these guys would be law abiding angels.

They sure as hell wouldn't have planted a bomb at the Boston Marathon and you're a naive moron if you try to pretend otherwise.

You're absolutely right.  That's why I said they would be law abiding angels if Islam didn't exist.  What?  You think I was being sarcastic?  You think I'm doing the same thing now?


I did, and... uh, I wouldn't now, except for the last sentence. So, I'm making that not sure if serious face right now.
 
2013-04-23 11:02:00 AM

Z1P2: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.


Actually, most terrorists are environmental activists, according to the FBI
 
2013-04-23 11:03:16 AM
The more I think about it the more I realize that this radicalization is like spam email.  You send out your crazy-ass messages to everyone and 99.99999% of the people completely ignore your asinine rantings but that 0.00001% picks it up and goes with it.  It's very cost effective way to promote your crazy, and since the person sending out the spam is nuts and the persons who acts on it is nuts, it's not surprising that the message is completely incoherent.
 
2013-04-23 11:03:18 AM

jso2897: Tatsuma: Apparently, the two other victims of the murders on September 11, 2011 were two Jews that Tamerlan's ex-friend was friends with.

Makes the murder thesis even more plausible

"People get murdered every day - does it only matter when they're Jews?

", asked Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

FTFY
 
2013-04-23 11:03:51 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Z1P2: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.

Actually, most terrorists are environmental activists, according to the FBI


I don't often engage in terrorism, but when I do, it's Environmental Terrorism (tm).
 
2013-04-23 11:04:46 AM

miss diminutive: So in order to defend your faith from attack, you decide the best course of action would be to kill innocent civilians, virtually guaranteeing a negative reaction and increased suspicion directed towards your faith?


Particularly funny when the younger brother once tweeted 'Those who say that Islam is terrorism, don't listen to them'

mbillips: "Islam" caused this the way videogames caused the Columbine massacre. Losers gonna lose.


This is just stupid. Columbine would have happened either way. This would not have happened if the guy had not become a radicalized Muslim who started to listen to Al-Qaeda-style preaching.

rkiller1: It was NOT Islam.  They wanted to blow up people and found a convenient excuse.  Let me say again: psychopath first, religious/political/whatever, second.

If he were Christian, he wudda blown up an abortion clinic, or a Walmart.


Indeed, it was not. It was, however, radical Islam as preached by Wahhabists and their ilk.
 
2013-04-23 11:06:52 AM

Tommy Moo: UNC_Samurai: Tommy Moo: Nana's Vibrator: That settles it.  If Islam didn't exist, these guys would be law abiding angels.

They sure as hell wouldn't have planted a bomb at the Boston Marathon and you're a naive moron if you try to pretend otherwise.

Yes, only Islamic extremists plant bombs:

[www.talkingpointsmemo.com image 425x528]

When did I say that? All ideologies that routinely inspire people to commit acts of terrorism must be ruthlessly castigated until their adherents are shamed into ever smaller circles of influence.


Now I WILL agree with you there, but religion is not the sole motivating cause of people doing crazy shiat like this.  Violence doesn't need religion, but violent people often find it's a hell of a convenient excuse to add to their self-righteousness.
 
2013-04-23 11:06:54 AM

another cultural observer: jso2897: Tatsuma: Apparently, the two other victims of the murders on September 11, 2011 were two Jews that Tamerlan's ex-friend was friends with.

Makes the murder thesis even more plausible

"People get murdered every day - does it only matter when they're Jews?", asked Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

FTFY


Hey - when I posted that, I was only following orders.
But really, we shouldn't joke about The Holocaust (tm). My grandfather died at Auschwitz.

Got drunk, fell out of a guard tower, broke his neck.
 
2013-04-23 11:07:11 AM

jso2897: People get murdered every day - does it only matter when they're Jews?


It does when you are trying to ascertain the motive of a murder that might be linked to a terrorism case, yes.

PC LOAD LETTER: Actually, most terrorists are environmental activists, according to the FBI


First of all, that's false. Second, these guys mostly put bombs in empty buildings to protest against animal cruelty and so on, they don't usually go around murdering people. If they started to behave like these two brothers, we'd get people burning 'An Inconvenient Truth' in the streets pretty soon
 
2013-04-23 11:07:13 AM

brandent: nekom: mamoru: Yeah, but based on this summary of a few sources (specifically cites NPR and the WSJ), the brother basically was to mainstream Islam what Westboro Baptist is to mainstream Christianity. He stood up during a sermon and loudly complained to his imam's suggestion that it was okay celebrate American holidays. He got pissy in a halal meat shop because they were advertising Thanksgiving turkeys.

Just because Islam turned out to be the channel for these idiots' insanity, that doesn't mean all Muslims are insane* and are all coming to kill you. Just sayin', keep some perspective.

*or at least any more insane than your average random member of any other mainstream religion

Good points. I think what we have here is a typical "us vs. them" situation. The "us" and "them" could be anything, really. Religion, politics, skin tone, whatever petty difference they can find. Then it just gets reinforced in some circles. Then it festers in the mind. It becomes an obsession. Every little thing you see in the news is "GRRRRRRRRRRR farking THEM!!!!! GAH! HATE HATE HATE!!! They are NOT US!!! RABBLE!!!" No different than a tea party rally, an ALF meeting, or any other group that perceives everyone else as "the enemy".

The difference between radical violent Christians and radical violent Islamists is simple.  If a person reads the New Testament and adheres strictly to the teachings of Jesus then they would soon come to the conclusion that they are pacifist and probably socialist and defenders of tolerance, love, and inclusion.  If a person reads the teachings of Mohammed and follows them strictly then they would soon come to the conclusion that it is a doctrine of violence and intolerance.


I'm going to go out on a limb an guess you aren't Fluent in writtern Arabic, which tells me you have never read the Koran.   I'm also going to guess that your in-depth study of Islam involves watching TV and movies and listening to the opinions of right-wing columnists, radio show hosts and preachers.  In fact I'm going to double down and guess you've only the slightest passing familiarity with the more-quoted bits of the Bible and are Christian by default, and spend about as much time learning about your relgion on a weekly basis as you devote to nail care.

how close am I?
 
2013-04-23 11:07:17 AM
I'm sorry but how is a casserole a weapon of mass destruction?
 
2013-04-23 11:07:33 AM
So guns for all but ban Islam?
 
2013-04-23 11:07:43 AM

Magorn: Let me just say this as vaguely as possible.  If what I hear from someone who claims to know the wife of the older brother is true,   then this whole hyper-religious thing with him is a VERY recent development and he was perfectly fine being a decadent American before that.  While Islam was the window dressing for this, it wasn;t the REAL motivation, which, I supect had to do with the older brother suddenly having no farking clue what his life was about after he realized his Olympic dreams were never going to come true.


Not a bad assessment. Olympians are obsessive by nature. How you gonna get to the games if you don't eat sleep breathe drink your sport?
 
2013-04-23 11:08:18 AM

mbillips: "Islam" caused this the way videogames caused the Columbine massacre. Losers gonna lose.


So if I go around telling my children to kill those that disagree with them and write books telling others to kill those that disagree with them, and they act upon it, am I not at fault? Such is the case with Islam. You are free to believe anyway you want, you just are not free to act any way you want.
 
2013-04-23 11:08:58 AM
Memo to nuke-em-all Muslim bashers: your new stereotype is a friendly, well-dressed, athletic young white man with an American accent and a slightly larger-than-average nose. There are a lot of 'em out there, so get busy. Please don't shoot any Sikhs this time.
 
2013-04-23 11:09:15 AM

Tatsuma: jso2897: People get murdered every day - does it only matter when they're Jews?

It does when you are trying to ascertain the motive of a murder that might be linked to a terrorism case, yes.

PC LOAD LETTER: Actually, most terrorists are environmental activists, according to the FBI

First of all, that's false. Second, these guys mostly put bombs in empty buildings to protest against animal cruelty and so on, they don't usually go around murdering people. If they started to behave like these two brothers, we'd get people burning 'An Inconvenient Truth' in the streets pretty soon


And that would be stupid. We should only burn Korans, like sensible people.
 
2013-04-23 11:11:44 AM

Tatsuma: miss diminutive: So in order to defend your faith from attack, you decide the best course of action would be to kill innocent civilians, virtually guaranteeing a negative reaction and increased suspicion directed towards your faith?

Particularly funny when the younger brother once tweeted 'Those who say that Islam is terrorism, don't listen to them'

mbillips: "Islam" caused this the way videogames caused the Columbine massacre. Losers gonna lose.

This is just stupid. Columbine would have happened either way. This would not have happened if the guy had not become a radicalized Muslim who started to listen to Al-Qaeda-style preaching.

rkiller1: It was NOT Islam.  They wanted to blow up people and found a convenient excuse.  Let me say again: psychopath first, religious/political/whatever, second.

If he were Christian, he wudda blown up an abortion clinic, or a Walmart.

Indeed, it was not. It was, however, radical Islam as preached by Wahhabists and their ilk.


Someone who picked up Islam in Chechnya is very Unlikely to have caught a Wahhabist strain.  Salafist perhaps, but not Wahhabist, and from YOU, I won't accept "they all look a like to me", you know better
 
2013-04-23 11:11:55 AM
Whoa ... Tats is back. And I'm all outta popcorn :(
 
2013-04-23 11:12:06 AM

fireclown: FLMountainMan: Sounds about right. A majority of Christians believe that WBC should legally be allowed to do what they do.

To be fair, the WBC doesn't actually murder people.  Annoying as all get out, but not murderers.


Yep.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:44 AM

jso2897: And that would be stupid. We should only burn Korans, like sensible people.


We should not be burning Korans, but we should not be burying our heads in the sand and pretend that radical Islam is not a problem, and try to run in every direction trying to find scapegoats.

I mean in this thread I've already learned that: really right-wing xians are the real terrorists, really environment nutcases are the real terrorists and really Islamic terrorism does not really exist.

Those are some major major delusions going on
 
2013-04-23 11:12:50 AM

Robert1966: IronMyno: Magorn: Let me just say this as vaguely as possible.  If what I hear from someone who claims to know the wife of the older brother is true,   then this whole hyper-religious thing with him is a VERY recent development and he was perfectly fine being a decadent American before that.  While Islam was the window dressing for this, it wasn;t the REAL motivation, which, I supect had to do with the older brother suddenly having no farking clue what his life was about after he realized his Olympic dreams were never going to come true.

Consider yourself Favorited. And  great deal of respect on your cool minded very Post. I concur wholeheartedly.

This narrative won't work if he was actually involved in the murders in Waltham in 2011, to which he is now being tentatively linked. I don't know how much that is wishful thinking on the part of the authorities. It seems to me that your version is more likely than someone brutally killing three people and then, two years later, doing something much less personal like a bombing.


- I Favorited Magorn for the cool headed and lack of mindless hate in the post. Even if the narrative falls through, this will not change.
 
2013-04-23 11:13:04 AM

Fast Thick Pants: Memo to nuke-em-all Muslim bashers: your new stereotype is a friendly, well-dressed, athletic young white man with an American accent and a slightly larger-than-average nose. There are a lot of 'em out there, so get busy. Please don't shoot any Sikhs this time.


adding the qualifiers "Islamic", "immigrant", and "funny name" really thins down the herd, though.  Ask him his name and offer him a hotdog....bingo.
 
2013-04-23 11:13:29 AM

Fast Thick Pants: Memo to nuke-em-all Muslim bashers: your new stereotype is a friendly, well-dressed, athletic young white man with an American accent and a slightly larger-than-average nose. There are a lot of 'em out there, so get busy. Please don't shoot any Sikhs this time.


But those guys have scary little knives on their belts. They must be turrists!!
 
2013-04-23 11:13:51 AM
Just because he says he was defending Islam does not mean Islam is to blame.  Any random nutjob could kill children in the name of dog lovers everywhere...that doesn't mean I, as a dog lover, approve of his actions.

His uncle's reaction is about what mine would be if someone tried to include me in their nutjobbery.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:03 AM

Tatsuma: pretend that radical Islam is not a problem


Just out of curiosity: What percentage of muslims are radical?
 
2013-04-23 11:16:32 AM

Magorn: Someone who picked up Islam in Chechnya is very Unlikely to have caught a Wahhabist strain. Salafist perhaps, but not Wahhabist, and from YOU, I won't accept "they all look a like to me", you know better


Except that he didn't pick up Islam in Chechnya. First of all, he became radicalized in America, and if you look at his youtube feed (and the twitter of his brother) they were very keen on Wahhabist preachers from Saudi Arabia. Second of all, where he went to train for this in 2012 for six months was in Dagestan, which is the Caucasus Wahhabist central.

And by the way, out of Dagestan in the 90s the Wahhabists did move on to Chechnya in order to form cells and change the country as well.

So yeah, maybe you should think about doing your homework on this.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:33 AM

Resident Muslim: /sorry, rushing and editing, so forgive me if some of this turned into waaaarbargle


No problem.  A turkey would have been fine, a Thanksgiving Turkey, not so much.

I was pretty sure that there were Muslims on Fark, but I could see a certain avoidance of some threads having developed over time.  Good on ya for providing a much needed service as ambassador.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:53 AM

JonnyG: It is not Islam. It's extremism and can happen to anyone in any religion... or not in a religion.

But if it works for folks...


Definitely.  Holier than thou attitudes are just as common in political discussions (yes, left or right) as they are in religious ones.
 
2013-04-23 11:16:58 AM

I_C_Weener: vpb: Does anyone remember Eric Rudolph?  Seems very similar.

Then one frightful post Boston bombing morn
Anti-Christians came to say
Rudolph with your Christian terrorism
Won't you falsely equate to Islam?

Then all those haters loved him
And they shouted out with glee
Eric Rudolph, you will go down as Christianity's greatest monster!


Wouldn't Jim Jones be a better (worse?) Christian monster?
 
2013-04-23 11:17:06 AM

IronMyno: Robert1966: IronMyno: Magorn: Let me just say this as vaguely as possible.  If what I hear from someone who claims to know the wife of the older brother is true,   then this whole hyper-religious thing with him is a VERY recent development and he was perfectly fine being a decadent American before that.  While Islam was the window dressing for this, it wasn;t the REAL motivation, which, I supect had to do with the older brother suddenly having no farking clue what his life was about after he realized his Olympic dreams were never going to come true.

Consider yourself Favorited. And  great deal of respect on your cool minded very Post. I concur wholeheartedly.

This narrative won't work if he was actually involved in the murders in Waltham in 2011, to which he is now being tentatively linked. I don't know how much that is wishful thinking on the part of the authorities. It seems to me that your version is more likely than someone brutally killing three people and then, two years later, doing something much less personal like a bombing.

- I Favorited Magorn for the cool headed and lack of mindless hate in the post. Even if the narrative falls through, this will not change.


I do not disagree with your assessment
 
2013-04-23 11:18:26 AM
But that's just it. It's not an "extreme ideology" anymore than Christianity or Hinduism are. It's a wide range of sects, cultural groups and individuals which include more than a few total dicks.

EXCUSE ME, Can you point out Christian countries where women are prohibited from driving, people get executed BY THE GOVERNMENT for "insulting Christians" , getting killed for being gay BY THE GOVERNMENT, etc.?

ALL Islamic ruled countries ARE intolerant shiatholes. ALL. Including your precious Turkey. And you Farktards INSIST on making excuses like the above. BULLSHIAT.

All this happy horseshiat about "the muslims I know are loving, tolerant people". Really? How come I don't see these people, if they exist, on TV denouncing radical muslims? How come I never see them at 4th of July parades, little league, fire companies, etc.? All I EVER hear from them after an attack is "please don't hurt us!"  And their women walking around covered in sheets. That's goofy as hell. You farktards would be screaming bloody murder if some "Christian Sect" was doing the same. You'd prolly be organizing "rescue squads" to liberate the poor oppressed women from their cruel masters....

NEVER do I hear pledges ON TV, in open public, from them to eradicate radicals from their religion. Never. Just something mumbled in a news story.

They are not here to assimulate. They believe they are superior to us, we are weak, and here in the US they are going to do what they've done everywhere else: Keep themselves separate, build up their numbers, and dominate any area they populate. Impose their values on that area. Like Britain. Like France. Like Thailand. Like Malaysia.....

The federal government did a nice job taming the Mormons. They need to do the same to the Muslims.
 
2013-04-23 11:18:47 AM

LL316: Just because he says he was defending Islam does not mean Islam is to blame. Any random nutjob could kill children in the name of dog lovers everywhere...that doesn't mean I, as a dog lover, approve of his actions.


The problem is that nowhere in dog loving philosophy is it ever acceptable to do that, and there is no 'dog loving' philosophy in the first place.


There are certain branches of Islam who openly advocate terrorism against civilians. Is it mainstream Islam as practiced by the vast majority of Americans? Of course not. However, it exists and just closing your eyes, clenching your fists and saying 'no no no no no' is not going to change that.
 
2013-04-23 11:18:59 AM

corronchilejano: I'm sorry but how is a casserole a weapon of mass destruction?


www.rankopedia.com
Ask Julie Kotter.
 
2013-04-23 11:19:53 AM

mamoru: Yeah, but based on this summary of a few sources (specifically cites NPR and the WSJ), the brother basically was to mainstream Islam what Westboro Baptist is to mainstream Christianity. He stood up during a sermon and loudly complained to his imam's suggestion that it was okay celebrate American holidays. He got pissy in a halal meat shop because they were advertising Thanksgiving turkeys.

Just because Islam turned out to be the channel for these idiots' insanity, that doesn't mean all Muslims are insane* and are all coming to kill you. Just sayin', keep some perspective.

*or at least any more insane than your average random member of any other mainstream religion


That's only half true.  WBC, while vile and evil, don't blow up innocent people.  I understand (and agree with) your point. But it's not really a totally fair comparison.
 
2013-04-23 11:20:04 AM
Because those marathon runners were just destroying Islam. There wasn't going to be any left if the race had concluded without bombs going off!
 
2013-04-23 11:20:23 AM

Fast Thick Pants: Memo to nuke-em-all Muslim bashers: your new stereotype is a friendly, well-dressed, athletic young white man with an American accent and a slightly larger-than-average nose. There are a lot of 'em out there, so get busy. Please don't shoot any Sikhs this time.


Cut out "athletic", and that's me. (I'm broad. And fat.)

// also browner than most
// European/Jewish by ancestry, agnostic by choice
 
2013-04-23 11:20:24 AM

HAMMERTOE:
All very, very good points. Of course, what you eventually realize, once your span of conceptualization becomes sufficiently encompassing, is that "Us vs. Them. (and they are evi-i-i-i-i-l-l-l-l-l-!...)" is part and parcel of enabling top-heavy, self-serving, over-spending, responsibility-shirking, heavy-handed national governments, and ours is a prime example.


Oh absolutely! That kind of thinking most certainly can manifest itself on a national level, within any organization or among a couple of like-minded people. The only reason the public didn't object in larger numbers to the Iraq was was because, at the time, the "us vs. them" mentality was in full force. We were us, and they were them. Fark them! Whargarbl, etc.
 
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