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(NBC News)   Research suggests marijuana pill may help relieve pain better than the traditional smoking method, and by "relieve pain better", they really mean "make pharmaceutical companies richer"   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 226
    More: Interesting, Department of Psychiatry, smoking marijuana, lung function, Yale School of Medicine  
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2013-04-23 03:51:12 PM
I'm all for THC pills, even THC pills with the extra stuff from the plant in them.
There's absolutely no reason why we should ever have to smell someone's medication.
With the pills people can just take them when they need them and won't be time inconvenienced by needing to finding a place to toke their dose.

ReverendJynxed:  I'm actually snot-flying-out-the-nose allergic to weed smoke (and hemp and a few others like pigweed), more than half of pot users are as well but are just too damned stoned to NOTICE its farking up their respiratory health.
xkillyourfacex: Half the "high" people feel is from holding their breath too long on the monoxide and dioxide in the smoke and the primary allergic reaction.  Weed just does NOT hit that fast;  It isn't cocaine.
quietwalker: I agree completely, we should ban tobacco and alcohol too, they've never been proven to cure anything and you can only benefit from their chronic use IF you're already addicted to them.
 
2013-04-23 03:58:26 PM
Brilliant idea: Outlaw coffee and tea! For health and morality reasons!

Then allow the pharmaceutical companies to make pills that are the rendered down effective agents!

Millions I tells ya!



c1.soap.com
Gee I wonder why no one has introduced a pill like that yet
 
2013-04-23 04:08:10 PM

Mr. Right: If the proponents of medical marijuana (one of which I happen to be) are serious about using it for pain management, they will welcome this study, as smoking anything presents a risk to the lungs and other respiratory organs that tablets will avoid.

However, if governments and drug companies are serious about pain relief and not just controlling marijuana, they will acknowledge that some users, suffering from nausea, for example, will find a pill unacceptable and still need to smoke it.

We'll know the true motives of both sides by how this debate shapes up as research progresses.



It isn't legal to sell pot brownies either, or to vaporize the raw drug, and neither presents the dangers of smoking.

If the true motives of prohibitionists weren't already obvious to you, you're probably dead or in a persistent vegetative state.
 
2013-04-23 04:19:07 PM

fireclown: No, subby.  This story isn't "big pharma gets richer", it is "medical marijuana advocates don't want medicine so much as they want to get high".


Well, since I bothered to read the article, the actual story is, the pill form lasts longer than smoking, but takes longer to kick in than smoking.  EXACTLY the same as differences as eating a pot brownie.  Hmmm.
 
2013-04-23 04:23:02 PM

lennavan: give me doughnuts: lennavan: I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement. I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.

Either set it outside when it blooms, or use a small paintbrush or Q-Tip to transfer pollen between the blooms.

Yeah I tried those, I guess I didn't really have the patience for the Q-Tip thing.  You have to do it for like a dozen or more different flowers every day.  I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up and I'll put it back outside.



I'm not really familiar with the mini or dwarf fruit trees. My brain keeps picturing a bonsai orange tree that a former boss of mine had. he's do the Q-tip thing on a half-dozen blooms, and pluck the rest off. He's usually end up with one or two huge oranges on this tiny little tree. Surreal.
 
2013-04-23 04:36:33 PM
Counter: If they are hvaing (sic) trouble keeping food down, how the fark is a pill going to help? They're going to throw that up too!
Shhhhh, hush now with that logic.
 
2013-04-23 04:48:40 PM
See, this is what happens when you have a study of only 30 people and you include habitual smokers in the group.

FTFA: "A pill form of marijuana may work just as well to relieve pain as the smoked form, but with fewer side effects, new research suggests."

While I agree that it's desirable to have a way to give people the benefit of cannabis without the potential lung damage, most of what I've read says that the majority of medical marijuana users ingest it rather than smoke it and that the effect lasts longer from ingesting it, so there's a problem already solved. Considering how every pill in existence has a list of potential side effects as long as my leg, if I were prescribed cannabis I'd rather have it in brownie form than pill form, thanx very much.
 
2013-04-23 04:52:24 PM

prjindigo: I'm all for THC pills, even THC pills with the extra stuff from the plant in them.
There's absolutely no reason why we should ever have to smell someone's medication.
With the pills people can just take them when they need them and won't be time inconvenienced by needing to finding a place to toke their dose.

ReverendJynxed:  I'm actually snot-flying-out-the-nose allergic to weed smoke (and hemp and a few others like pigweed), more than half of pot users are as well but are just too damned stoned to NOTICE its farking up their respiratory health.
xkillyourfacex: Half the "high" people feel is from holding their breath too long on the monoxide and dioxide in the smoke and the primary allergic reaction.  Weed just does NOT hit that fast;  It isn't cocaine.
quietwalker: I agree completely, we should ban tobacco and alcohol too, they've never been proven to cure anything and you can only benefit from their chronic use IF you're already addicted to them.


There is so much stupid with this post I don't even know where to start.

But lets start anyway with your citations for "more than half of pot users are allergic to pot" claim. Provide that and we'll go on from there.
 
2013-04-23 05:00:57 PM

jso2897: ZAZ: That's the risk of pretending medical marijuana is about medical marijuana. Somebody might take you at your word and produce medical marijuana.

Whatever it takes to get asshole busybodies to mind their own business, and shut the f**k up.


Hazza!
 
2013-04-23 05:03:23 PM
You lying guys and your 'medical' marijuana.  If you would man up and admit to me that I am the morally superior person because I do not need to get high, I would stop being so infuriated with you.
 
2013-04-23 05:10:14 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: You don't have to smoke it to feel the effects....

I present to you


Now that's a safe alternative.


I ate two to three a day when I
Ruptured my L3 L4 because ironically
I told my Dr I use marijuana he then refused to perscibe me opium-its.
If you know this pain, you know what it's
Like to not want to go on living.
-Marijuana Safed My Life-
Plus I like smoking a little at night to calm down.
Or do a little gardening on the weekends.
 
2013-04-23 05:19:56 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Thanks for the encouragement, btw. The negativity in the form of "you're screwed" from others is sometimes even worse than the "nobody knows what's wrong, so you're wrong, there's nothing wrong" thing from too many doctors.


Glad to help. If you feel like this, for this long, it's not in your head. I've been through that same charade; it's worth it to stay persistent and figure out what's wrong. Life is much easier on this side.
 
2013-04-23 05:23:39 PM
99% of medicines come from plants.

Pharma industries turn these into pills to hide the source of the medicine, and therby profit.

/ turn them into pinatas, or they'll never stop
 
2013-04-23 07:11:23 PM
tract THC from marijuana, all you need to do is soak the plant in warm ethyl ether, then evaporate off the distillate and collect it for re--use with a heat exchanger.

That yields pure red hemp oil, and it is not likely that the cost of production would exceed $0.01/dose.
 
2013-04-23 08:18:05 PM
The advancing legalizing and decriminalization of cannabis has got the pharmaceutical companies scrambling to get a product to market.

Good luck with that.  Nature has got quite a head start.
 
2013-04-23 09:15:33 PM
Isn't this why we have a Food and Drug Agency?
 
2013-04-23 10:18:20 PM
Growing vegetables for food is a little different than growing things as a drug to treat disease. I prefer to have an expected potency if I needed a pharmaceutical intervention to treat a potential disorder, something that would be impossible if you are growing stuff  on your own.

/but smoke 'em if you have 'em
 
2013-04-23 11:43:41 PM

McDougal: Growing vegetables for food is a little different than growing things as a drug to treat disease. I prefer to have an expected potency if I needed a pharmaceutical intervention to treat a potential disorder, something that would be impossible if you are growing stuff  on your own.

/but smoke 'em if you have 'em


That's the beauty of using a vaporizer. You get exactly as much medicine as you need.  If the potency is a little off, no big deal, just vape more or less.  Plus you don't have to worry about puking half of the dose up like you do with pills/edibles.

Think of it like a handihaler.
 
Ral
2013-04-24 01:22:25 AM

hermitage_deux: 99% of medicines come from plants.

Pharma industries turn these into pills to hide the source of the medicine, and therby profit.


Actually they do it in order to concentrate the dose so you can get results without having to eat 50 lbs. of something.  And so you can remove the stuff you don't need to ingest and get only the substance that treats your condition.
 
2013-04-24 03:05:01 AM
I'm one of those rare birds where smoking pot makes me have extreme anxiety--of the kind where I lay in bed feeling like I am stuck in a nightmare, wishing to not be high anymore.  

I found out if a drink first, or use a holistic anti-anxiety pill, that goes away, but it mutes the high and just makes me sleepy.

Perhaps I am allergic or perhaps there is a specific type that would feel great.  

I was only ever to get high once before it turned on me.  It was amazing.  I felt happy and the world seemed so bright and surreal.
 
2013-04-24 04:45:18 AM

adamatari: They can try to sell it all day, but legal weed will obliterate their business.


Not so sure about that.

I mean I've met the people around me who grow and sell weed.  Not the world's biggest winners.  Generally speaking they're dimwits with issues at their most harmless, and violent criminals at the most harmful.  If I needed weed for medical purposes I sure wouldn't entrust my health to that bunch of munters and sociopaths.

The majority of the profit margin in weed is its illegality.  If weed goes legal I don't see a bunch of respectable small businessmen setting up shop - they'd be lucky to scrape a profit.  If they survived the menaces of the established gangs whose trade they would be stepping on (go on, you call the cops on Black Power or the Mongrel Mob, see how that works out for you).

And if weed goes commercial I'm not going to trust the equivalent of the guys who make mainstream pisswater beer either.  Can you imagine the strength and quality of the weed the corporations would be selling?

When medical marijuana goes mainstream then there will absolutely certainly be a market for marijuana in whatever form that has a reliable, consistent, known strength/effect.  When you're suffering from chronic intractable pain you don't really just want to buy a tinny from the guy across the road and hope that it'll be okay.
 
2013-04-24 05:41:57 AM

if_i_really_have_to: adamatari: They can try to sell it all day, but legal weed will obliterate their business.

Not so sure about that.

I mean I've met the people around me who grow and sell weed.  Not the world's biggest winners.  Generally speaking they're dimwits with issues at their most harmless, and violent criminals at the most harmful.  If I needed weed for medical purposes I sure wouldn't entrust my health to that bunch of munters and sociopaths.

The majority of the profit margin in weed is its illegality.  If weed goes legal I don't see a bunch of respectable small businessmen setting up shop - they'd be lucky to scrape a profit.  If they survived the menaces of the established gangs whose trade they would be stepping on (go on, you call the cops on Black Power or the Mongrel Mob, see how that works out for you).

And if weed goes commercial I'm not going to trust the equivalent of the guys who make mainstream pisswater beer either.  Can you imagine the strength and quality of the weed the corporations would be selling?

When medical marijuana goes mainstream then there will absolutely certainly be a market for marijuana in whatever form that has a reliable, consistent, known strength/effect.  When you're suffering from chronic intractable pain you don't really just want to buy a tinny from the guy across the road and hope that it'll be okay.


With legal cannabis you will no longer exclusively see "dimwits" growing pot.  Nor will profit be the primary motivation for recreational growers.  I think the hypothetical "models" you describe are flawed.

If it were legal for me, I would grow cannabis.  And in only a few generations of plants I'd be very successful with quantity and quality (and this would be fairly typical).
 
2013-04-24 05:41:58 AM
"I'm allergic to pot" = "I didn't understand what was happening to my body, and I didn't like, so in order to avoid talking about that, I just say I'm allergic"

Having anxiety while on pot does not = allergy
 
2013-04-24 09:19:03 AM

nekom: Not that I disagree with the point about corporate profits, but wouldn't a pill containing the same chemical that helps certain conditions (be that THC, CBD or whathaveyou) be a safer alternative?  I mean, let's not live in fantasy land here, smoking anything IS unhealthy.



Are you not aware that insulting the opposition is very likely to breed mistrust and contempt you degenerate malcontent?
 
2013-04-24 02:15:50 PM

give me doughnuts: lennavan: give me doughnuts: lennavan: I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement. I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.

Either set it outside when it blooms, or use a small paintbrush or Q-Tip to transfer pollen between the blooms.

Yeah I tried those, I guess I didn't really have the patience for the Q-Tip thing.  You have to do it for like a dozen or more different flowers every day.  I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up and I'll put it back outside.


I'm not really familiar with the mini or dwarf fruit trees. My brain keeps picturing a bonsai orange tree that a former boss of mine had. he's do the Q-tip thing on a half-dozen blooms, and pluck the rest off. He's usually end up with one or two huge oranges on this tiny little tree. Surreal.


If Charlie Brown is approximately 5 feet tall, imagine his Christmas Tree.  That's about what it looks like.  And I'm worried an orange growing on it will do pretty much the same thing as an ornament did to his tree.

pinstripepulpit.com
 
2013-04-24 06:04:00 PM

scottydoesntknow: prjindigo: I'm all for THC pills, even THC pills with the extra stuff from the plant in them.
There's absolutely no reason why we should ever have to smell someone's medication.
With the pills people can just take them when they need them and won't be time inconvenienced by needing to finding a place to toke their dose.

ReverendJynxed:  I'm actually snot-flying-out-the-nose allergic to weed smoke (and hemp and a few others like pigweed), more than half of pot users are as well but are just too damned stoned to NOTICE its farking up their respiratory health.
xkillyourfacex: Half the "high" people feel is from holding their breath too long on the monoxide and dioxide in the smoke and the primary allergic reaction.  Weed just does NOT hit that fast;  It isn't cocaine.
quietwalker: I agree completely, we should ban tobacco and alcohol too, they've never been proven to cure anything and you can only benefit from their chronic use IF you're already addicted to them.

There is so much stupid with this post I don't even know where to start.

But lets start anyway with your citations for "more than half of pot users are allergic to pot" claim. Provide that and we'll go on from there.


Literally nothing he posted was true. Like zero.
 
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