If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NBC News)   Research suggests marijuana pill may help relieve pain better than the traditional smoking method, and by "relieve pain better", they really mean "make pharmaceutical companies richer"   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 217
    More: Interesting, Department of Psychiatry, smoking marijuana, lung function, Yale School of Medicine  
•       •       •

3600 clicks; posted to Main » on 23 Apr 2013 at 10:11 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



217 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-04-23 12:44:44 PM  
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-04-23 12:48:09 PM  

santadog: That 2 dozen chocolate chip pot cookies in my kitchen.. MUCH better than taking a pill.

Edibles are the way to go.


Ill be right over with a gallon of milk.
 
2013-04-23 12:48:41 PM  
Is this where I'm supposed to troll about how dangerous any smoke is ?

and that I'd sure love to support legalizing it but yeah... that smoke is so terrible, it's like battery acid being poured on a baby?
Or maybe I allege that I do support legalization, but I solely came here to point out smoke is still bad... because there is a severe lack of captain farking obvious on this planet.

Letting big pharma take the reigns never ends up with people sick &/or dying from a "safe and approved" drug, right?

I've watched my mother go through stupid bullshiat that definitely has cut years off her life on this earth with our family because of an "approved" FDA drug. All FDA approved means these days is the proper bribes exchanged hands before you received your product.

I'll stick with ingesting the natural plant, free from other bullshiat, in whatever form I want including smoke.

Why?
Because, this is America
and fark you,
that's why.

And because I truly believe that whatever radicals and carcinogens I'm ingesting along with the THC is likely still better for me than whatever might come out of a pill factory run by a dystopian global mega-corporation hell bent on repeat business.

/yeah, they'll give you your THC
//along with 1000mg of tylenol to make sure you're back to purchase those liver and kidney drugs in 15-20 years
 
2013-04-23 12:50:44 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I've watched my mother go through stupid bullshiat that definitely has cut years off her life on this earth with our family because of an "approved" FDA drug. All FDA approved means these days is the proper bribes exchanged hands before you received your product.


Kinda makes you wonder why the age expectancy keeps going up, despite all of those toxic FDA approved drugs like Tylenol that cut years off of our lives, right?
 
2013-04-23 12:51:35 PM  
If someone has terminal cancer they should get a free pass to take whatever makes the pain easier to handle. There's few things worse than chronic pain that won't go away no matter whether you sit, stand, lie down, waking or sleeping, and always knowing that your own body's malfunctioning cells are proliferating wildly in order to make it worse.
 
2013-04-23 12:56:24 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Jubeebee: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Lots of doctors that don't want to give you pills because they think you're "too young" to have chronic pain...

That's the sort of shiat that kept me living with untreated axial arthritis for 9 years. Yeah, I was totally faking the limp and back spasms.

You hit that point where you know it's not going to get any better, only worse, and when doctors won't listen, it's even more frustrating than just the pain and losing function of limbs. One of my legs suddenly quit responding and the pain hit record levels. I had to rely on the ER (no insurance) and it wasn't until I flipped out on them because my muscles had atrophied so badly in that leg that they figured there may indeed be an issue.

I STILL ended up just lurking outside the county health clinic and buying pain meds from the poor people for about a year, and got the use of my leg back by designing my own PT program at home. I am still very distrustful of medical personnel because of years of many of them minimizing and even insulting me for the combination of pain and "holy crap, this is not cool" I was going through at its peak. Having to go to a doctor monthly to refill a pill for something I could grow in the shed is not going to happen.

I'm still not entirely comfortable with the medical marijuana for myself, but it's been incredibly helpful. I also wake up with less stiffness and pain, not to mention I actually sleep for more than a couple hours at a time after I do use it (which is not daily, but close). I'm kind of sorry I wasn't first in line for the "pot paper" when it first became legal. I would have saved myself a whole lot of bad days. I think the whole "not comfy" thing is a lifetime of "marijuana bad", because there's no other reason I can think of for me not to be totally chill with it.


My sympathies; it sounds like you had it much worse, and much longer than me, with whatever it is you have.

I had gotten the brush off enough times that I just stopped going to doctors. Weight training, stretching, and 1200mg ibuprofen before bed every night kept me mobile enough most days. It took months of my girlfriend arguing that not everyone has back spasms every time they spend more than two consecutive hours in a chair before I finally went in and demanded an MRI.

Getting diagnosed changed my life. Cannabis is a secondary but important remedy for me; I only use it for flareups rather than daily maintenance. But it works better than ibuprofen at reducing inflammation and doesn't burn holes in my stomach.
 
2013-04-23 01:00:04 PM  
Butter is SO easy to make. We make it with shake (or discarded sucker leaves and stalks). Basically take a piece of cheesecloth and fill it with enough grass so that it is about the size of a small (mini ?) watermelon).

Put 4 sticks (1 pound) of butter in the bottom of a crock pot.
Put the cheesecloth filled with grass on the butter.
Set it to a low temp
Let the butter melt completely.
Add 4 more sticks of butter on top
let these melt and let the whole thing simmer for about 8 - 12 hours
strain the cheesecloth into the butter
strain the butter
Put in small containeers and freeze or refridgerate

Use like normal butter :)
 
2013-04-23 01:04:14 PM  

lennavan: MurphyMurphy: I've watched my mother go through stupid bullshiat that definitely has cut years off her life on this earth with our family because of an "approved" FDA drug. All FDA approved means these days is the proper bribes exchanged hands before you received your product.

Kinda makes you wonder why the age expectancy keeps going up, despite all of those toxic FDA approved drugs like Tylenol that cut years off of our lives, right?


Fark me, I never realized.

I mean, if life expectancy is going up... then literally everything we do in a day must be good for us! STOP THE PRESSES!
 
2013-04-23 01:04:40 PM  
So.. the only thing keeping cannabis from being an acceptable medicine is that it is grown by Big Worm  instead of being manufactured by Big Pharma?

Wow, whodavfarkingthinkint?
 
2013-04-23 01:05:38 PM  

quietwalker: I just don't people who lie to my face, and I suspect that few people do.


So why come into a thread to complain about the few who do lie to your face? And to that point, why would you then accuse random people on internet forums of being liars?

More importantly, you're making assumptions about what I said in my response to you.  Did I call you conservative?  No.  I merely stated that you're ignoring the people who are actually present in this thread for the purpose of ranting about the monster in your head.

And the sad part is that you're going to walk away from this thinking that everybody else is the farked up party.
 
2013-04-23 01:06:58 PM  
We made butter in my college apartment once, not sure if we didn't use enough/low quality green but the brownie batch we made didn't do much for me and my friend. We went to the bowling alley after eating 2-3 of them over a couple hours and didn't feel much, although my neighbor who didn't really smoke had one and her eyes were bloodshot and she was going nuts (not in a bad way).

It also made the apartment smell like ass for 24 hours or so. And the green butter was pretty vile on its own... the brownies were alright, a bit gritty/grassy but still tasted like brownies. I don't think I could've passed them off as regular brownies unless the other person was an idiot though.

We've talked about trying again now that I'm in a house, but whenever we have enough stuff to make it, the bowl is just too convenient and tempting.
 
2013-04-23 01:08:42 PM  

RockofAges: Real Women Drink Akvavit: RockofAges: You'll get there. Stigma is a powerful force even if you are aware of it and the influence it has. Also, our side has cookies

I'm a chef. Our side could soon have an entire tasting menu, though I will be sure to include cookies or a cookie like item. For medicinal purposes and enjoyment, both.

/thinking of trying my hand at a cannabutter pizza dough

My experience is that it is a very earthy taste at times and so it's usually best to really bury it in savoury flavours. Gravies are surprisingly good. Deep tomato sauces with lots of other herbs, another ideal candidate. Once it's been "buddered", it doesn't matter what medium you use it in really as long as you don't scorch it.


The first thing I noticed with that chocolate was the taste of the herb. It isn't unpleasant, it's just something I'm not accustomed to tasting. It's not going to take me too terribly long to figure out how to work with it, but it's good to know I'm on the right track when I'm thinking "wherever you're going to have strong, herbal flavors".
 
2013-04-23 01:10:56 PM  
Americans like pills. They're convenient.
 
2013-04-23 01:12:18 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: RockofAges: Real Women Drink Akvavit: RockofAges: You'll get there. Stigma is a powerful force even if you are aware of it and the influence it has. Also, our side has cookies

I'm a chef. Our side could soon have an entire tasting menu, though I will be sure to include cookies or a cookie like item. For medicinal purposes and enjoyment, both.

/thinking of trying my hand at a cannabutter pizza dough

My experience is that it is a very earthy taste at times and so it's usually best to really bury it in savoury flavours. Gravies are surprisingly good. Deep tomato sauces with lots of other herbs, another ideal candidate. Once it's been "buddered", it doesn't matter what medium you use it in really as long as you don't scorch it.

The first thing I noticed with that chocolate was the taste of the herb. It isn't unpleasant, it's just something I'm not accustomed to tasting. It's not going to take me too terribly long to figure out how to work with it, but it's good to know I'm on the right track when I'm thinking "wherever you're going to have strong, herbal flavors".


Cannabis always gives food the a slight hint of a minty taste to me.  Anybody else get this?

/mmmm, mint chocolate brownies
 
2013-04-23 01:14:13 PM  

Strik3r: Butter is SO easy to make. We make it with shake (or discarded sucker leaves and stalks). Basically take a piece of cheesecloth and fill it with enough grass so that it is about the size of a small (mini ?) watermelon).

Put 4 sticks (1 pound) of butter in the bottom of a crock pot.
Put the cheesecloth filled with grass on the butter.
Set it to a low temp
Let the butter melt completely.
Add 4 more sticks of butter on top
let these melt and let the whole thing simmer for about 8 - 12 hours
strain the cheesecloth into the butter
strain the butter
Put in small containeers and freeze or refridgerate

Use like normal butter :)


I hadn't thought of using a crockpot.  I like!  All I've seen previously involved PITA double-boiler setups.

/Now I want a crockpot.
 
2013-04-23 01:16:07 PM  

MurphyMurphy: lennavan: MurphyMurphy: I've watched my mother go through stupid bullshiat that definitely has cut years off her life on this earth with our family because of an "approved" FDA drug. All FDA approved means these days is the proper bribes exchanged hands before you received your product.

Kinda makes you wonder why the age expectancy keeps going up, despite all of those toxic FDA approved drugs like Tylenol that cut years off of our lives, right?

Fark me, I never realized.

I mean, if life expectancy is going up... then literally everything we do in a day must be good for us! STOP THE PRESSES!


Hey, Fark me too.  I never realized if you totally imagine your mom had years cut off of her life solely due to an FDA approved drug, that means all FDA approved drugs are accepted based on bribery only.  STOP THE PRESSES
 
2013-04-23 01:16:20 PM  

lewismarktwo: So.. the only thing keeping cannabis from being an acceptable medicine is that it is grown by Big Worm  instead of being manufactured by Big Pharma?

Wow, whodavfarkingthinkint?


No, the only thing that keeps it from being an acceptable medicine is the 80 years of misinformation, lies, cover-ups, propaganda and complete lack of legitimate research all due to the scientific facts getting in the way of politicians who would sooner eat shiat than admit they were wrong about something.

And that being what followed two decades of industries already full vested into cotton and wood trying to demonize the plant because it was a very real threat to specific corporations and magnates.

Presently addressing these mistakes is hindered because keeping it illegal (and by extension, keeping many people in for-profit prisons) is a multi-billion dollar endevour spreading across more industries than you can imagine and at the source is keeping the arrests and incarcerations ever-rising.
/shiat, it's better than slave labor, in 1820 you couldn't plant a small amount of a plant onto someone, slap them into shackles and sell them to the nearest plantation.

Wow, whodavfarkingthinkint?
Oh..... right,  history books and current events. I forgot about those.  That's whodavfarkingthinkint.
 
2013-04-23 01:17:02 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: RockofAges: You'll get there. Stigma is a powerful force even if you are aware of it and the influence it has. Also, our side has cookies

I'm a chef. Our side could soon have an entire tasting menu, though I will be sure to include cookies or a cookie like item. For medicinal purposes and enjoyment, both.

/thinking of trying my hand at a cannabutter pizza dough


There was a somewhat interesting show about the history of pot in the US on tv recently, and one of the pot dispensaries was doing just that; they were making various candies and cookies and other treats.  Seemed like a good way to disassociate it from the stigma that's increasingly surrounding smoking of anything, much less the stigma of drug use in general.  Doesn't require equipment like a vape or papers or even a lighter, and it's indistinguishable from normal food, so it's handy, portable, and discrete.

The guy doing it claimed to have been a chef for 15 years prior, and it looked like he had a good handle on things.  Made the folks sitting there with a grinder, licking papers, and using a clip to get every last bit look like cavemen, compared to the guy who eats a peanut butter cup or the girl who sucks on a lollypop.

So - get in the business while it's still booming!
 
2013-04-23 01:19:39 PM  
See what happens when you get all derped up about pharmaceutical companies?  You say stupid stuff like:

MurphyMurphy: it's better than slave labor


and

MurphyMurphy: complete lack of legitimate research


THERE IS A COMPLETE LACK OF LEGITIMATE RESEARCH!!! How do I know that you ask?  Why:

MurphyMurphy: all due to the scientific facts


SCIENTIFIC FACTS OF COURSE

/dont ask where those scientific facts came from.

I mean I'm with your conclusion, pot should be legal for sure.  But man you're stupid.
 
2013-04-23 01:22:48 PM  

lennavan: Hey, Fark me too. I never realized if you totally imagine your mom had years cut off of her life solely due to an FDA approved drug, that means all FDA approved drugs are accepted based on bribery only. STOP THE PRESSES


Dude you're all over the place.
You've either never had someone teach you sound logic, or you're the worst $5/month troll I've ever seen.

ph0rk: Americans like pills. They're convenient.

feels good man
 
2013-04-23 01:23:45 PM  

Jubeebee: My sympathies; it sounds like you had it much worse, and much longer than me, with whatever it is you have.


I've heard a lot of things, but they seem to be sticking to "components of fibromyalgia" now, which I think is doctor code for "fark if we know, but it involves a lot of nerve pain". That's what I thought about the "RSD, most likely" theory, too. I'm actually going in for a MRI tomorrow on my neck, as I did break it at one point in my life, along with many other parts of me. Still, you'd think all the other tests would have turned up something and it kind of makes me wonder what the point of stuffing me in that machine yet again just happens to be. Well, besides paying it off, if it's new. That's a lot of money for me, though. I'm considering just canceling it.

The My Little Pony Killer: Cannabis always gives food the a slight hint of a minty taste to me.  Anybody else get this?

/mmmm, mint chocolate brownies


I did not get the mint flavor, but it could be the strain they used in the chocolate bars I buy. I know the strains have different smells to them, so they are obviously going to have different flavors. I did just look at the menu for my dispensary, and they actually sell a mint chocolate drink and a mint chocolate bar, so it's probably a common flavor profile for at least one strain. At least I HOPE whoever's cooking that stuff up has enough pride in their work to take the flavor profile of the strain into account.
 
2013-04-23 01:25:08 PM  

lennavan: See what happens when you get all derped up about pharmaceutical companies?  You say stupid stuff like:

MurphyMurphy: it's better than slave labor

and

MurphyMurphy: complete lack of legitimate research

THERE IS A COMPLETE LACK OF LEGITIMATE RESEARCH!!! How do I know that you ask?  Why:

MurphyMurphy: all due to the scientific facts

SCIENTIFIC FACTS OF COURSE

/dont ask where those scientific facts came from.

I mean I'm with your conclusion, pot should be legal for sure.  But man you're stupid.


Are you going to cry?
Wtf are you on about?
Do you have a point?
Did you miss your lithium dose?
 
2013-04-23 01:26:28 PM  
And on the PITA double boiler above -- mason jar in a saucepan. Opa redneck style!

I don't quite get why you would need anything special for this. The idea is to simmer the grass in the butter for about 12 hours. You could do that with any old pot or pan.............
 
2013-04-23 01:28:41 PM  

MurphyMurphy: You've either never had someone teach you sound logic, or you're the worst $5/month troll I've ever seen.


Logic/trolling such as:

MurphyMurphy: that definitely has cut years off her life on this earth with our family because of an "approved" FDA drug. All FDA approved means these days is the proper bribes exchanged hands before you received your product.


MurphyMurphy: Dude you're all over the place.


All over the place such as:

MurphyMurphy: complete lack of legitimate research all due to the scientific facts


MurphyMurphy: Do you have a point?


Yeah but I think my point is pretty farking clear.
 
2013-04-23 01:31:16 PM  

quietwalker: So - get in the business while it's still booming!


I heard of this place in Colorado called "Ganja Gourmet" that did everything from takeout pizzas to tapenade to brownies. I guess they don't do that anymore, and are more of a dispensary rather than a full on dispensary and restaurant. I'm guessing this means it wasn't as profitable as they'd hoped, but that won't stop me from cooking with it for myself once I'm a bit more comfortable with dosages. Make no mistake - for me this stuff is really a very powerful medication and I have to be careful with how much I'm using. I'm not comfy enough with knowing how much to take at once to use just edibles. Yet. I will get there, and am deeply considering picking up another ounce or just buying some of their cannabutter, but I'm definitely starting small and easy.

/jalepeno lollypop like the ones I used to get in LA, but with cannabis in them, would be AWESOME
 
2013-04-23 01:35:31 PM  

nekom: vpb:
Yes, but I thought there was a THC pill already on the market.  Besides, for some medical conditions the hazard of smoking is kind of irrelevant.

Marinol, I believe. And I agree, in the case of a terminally ill patient, smoke away. But for an otherwise healthy person suffering from glaucoma, non-terminal cancer who need the appetite boost, etc. it's a bit safer. I support both medical and responsible recreational use among adults, but I can't say that smoking any substance is "safe".


Except marinol doesnt work. Couple years ago back home every tom dick and harry pill popper I knew had lots of em.

if you can eat a half dozen pills of any variety at a time and it doesnt get you high. Give you the munchies or help you sleep. Than it doesnt actually do anything.

its a placebo nothing more
 
2013-04-23 01:39:24 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've heard a lot of things, but they seem to be sticking to "components of fibromyalgia" now, which I think is doctor code for "fark if we know, but it involves a lot of nerve pain". That's what I thought about the "RSD, most likely" theory, too. I'm actually going in for a MRI tomorrow on my neck, as I did break it at one point in my life, along with many other parts of me. Still, you'd think all the other tests would have turned up something and it kind of makes me wonder what the point of stuffing me in that machine yet again just happens to be. Well, besides paying it off, if it's new. That's a lot of money for me, though. I'm considering just canceling it.


If you haven't had an MRI before, it might be worth it. If you've had an MRI on your neck before, maybe not. Lots of nerves in your neck, and MRIs get a lot of detail. I don't know; when I got mine, that was what gave me my diagnosis, so I'm biased for them.
 
2013-04-23 01:44:35 PM  

nekom: I mean, let's not live in fantasy land here, smoking anything IS unhealthy.


Well sure, inhaling smoke of any kind isn't healthy. But even discounting all the carcinogens and additives in tobacco that aren't in MJ, the sheer volume of material being smoked is so much less.

Think about how much tobacco is in a cigarette, if you unpack it and loosen it up a bit, it will fill up your palm. Now think about an average "smoker" consuming 10 to 30 times that amount, daily. At that rate, it still takes decades to develop serious health problems.

Given that an MJ smoker would inhale deeper and hold it in longer, I still say a daily MJ smoker who smokes multiple times during the day would have the equivalent to a 2 cigarette a day habit. Hardly the fast lane to an early grave.
 
2013-04-23 01:46:49 PM  

MurphyMurphy: lewismarktwo: So.. the only thing keeping cannabis from being an acceptable medicine is that it is grown by Big Worm  instead of being manufactured by Big Pharma?

Wow, whodavfarkingthinkint?

No, the only thing that keeps it from being an acceptable medicine is the 80 years of misinformation, lies, cover-ups, propaganda and complete lack of legitimate research all due to the scientific facts getting in the way of politicians who would sooner eat shiat than admit they were wrong about something.

And that being what followed two decades of industries already full vested into cotton and wood trying to demonize the plant because it was a very real threat to specific corporations and magnates.

Presently addressing these mistakes is hindered because keeping it illegal (and by extension, keeping many people in for-profit prisons) is a multi-billion dollar endevour spreading across more industries than you can imagine and at the source is keeping the arrests and incarcerations ever-rising.
/shiat, it's better than slave labor, in 1820 you couldn't plant a small amount of a plant onto someone, slap them into shackles and sell them to the nearest plantation.

Wow, whodavfarkingthinkint?
Oh..... right,  history books and current events. I forgot about those.  That's whodavfarkingthinkint.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
PJ-
2013-04-23 01:48:20 PM  
Smoker for quite some time now, and I have never understood why people look so negatively at marijuana.  It's not causing people to go out and eat faces, it's not causing people to run away from a ski hill because of giraffes, it doesn't cause people to jump out a window.  It causes people to mellow out for the most part, sure there are people who get a little wild, but pales in comparison to that college girl who is 'sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo drunk'.

I know engineers, doctors, architects, MPs, police officers, programmers who all blaze regularly.  Some of whom who blaze nightly, but still perform better than sober employees.  Will I get lung cancer from blazing every night?  Maybe, but people are more likely to get lung cancer from smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day, but that's perfectly legal.  When I use the product, will I be inebriated, yes, but not nearly as bad as someone who just drank a 40oz of Rye, but once again, that's perfectly legal.

Who cares if recreational users are pushing the medical aspects in hopes of legalizing it.  People have been pushing the negative medical aspects in hopes of making cigarette smoking illegal, people have been pushing to outlawing big size cups for carbonated sugar drinks using obesity.  Ohhhhhh, you can't have it both ways.

Hypocrites
 
2013-04-23 01:51:36 PM  

RockofAges: Strik3r: And on the PITA double boiler above -- mason jar in a saucepan. Opa redneck style!

I don't quite get why you would need anything special for this. The idea is to simmer the grass in the butter for about 12 hours. You could do that with any old pot or pan.............

The reason is that inside the mason jar you are going to very lightly boil pure butter and green. If you were to just stick that in a pot and heat it to that point, you would reduce the butter in no time into a paste / scorch for the most part. You need to boil this stuff for like 6-8 hours, without it reducing. Mason jar protects it and so it just simmers away in there, no damage, no burning. Of course I'm sure someone could just do it in a saucepan, but I would consider it to be a lot more work, a lot riskier, and probably not as tasty / even-tasting.


We use a crockpot (as stated earlier) on low temp. I would think you could do the same thing with a pan and a stovetop. The critical thing will be keeping the temp low so it doesn't turn your butter into a paste. It never even comes close to that in the crockpot.

Also, I suggest you use a cheesecloth to keep the grass OUT of the butter (even if you do use a mason jar). The cloth lets the butter flow thru but minimizes the amount of grass that actually makes it into the butter. I certainly prefer the butter NOT to have any leaves or stems in it.
 
2013-04-23 01:51:37 PM  

Jubeebee: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've heard a lot of things, but they seem to be sticking to "components of fibromyalgia" now, which I think is doctor code for "fark if we know, but it involves a lot of nerve pain". That's what I thought about the "RSD, most likely" theory, too. I'm actually going in for a MRI tomorrow on my neck, as I did break it at one point in my life, along with many other parts of me. Still, you'd think all the other tests would have turned up something and it kind of makes me wonder what the point of stuffing me in that machine yet again just happens to be. Well, besides paying it off, if it's new. That's a lot of money for me, though. I'm considering just canceling it.

If you haven't had an MRI before, it might be worth it. If you've had an MRI on your neck before, maybe not. Lots of nerves in your neck, and MRIs get a lot of detail. I don't know; when I got mine, that was what gave me my diagnosis, so I'm biased for them.


I've had them on my hip, my lumbar spine, my shoulder - well, pretty much everywhere except my neck. They can see things wrong there, but nothing that should be causing the problems I have from time to time (or so they say). That's the biggest problem, too. I never thought the lack of constant pain would be a problem, but it is when it comes to figuring out how to fix something. I can go days, weeks, even months without being bothered one bit. Suddenly, out of nowhere, I'll be in various levels of pain that can change rapidly throughout the day and have severe muscle spasms. This "stage" can last for a few weeks, or, in one particularly bad time period, little over two and half years. When I don't have the problems, I'm just as active as the teenager I still seem to think that I am. When I do have the problems, I feel older than my 90 year old grandmother. I'm having the problems now, just not so severe that I'm nonfunctional. I've even been to the skate park a few times in the past couple months. I'm sorely tempted to avoid ALL doctor anything, but according to friends and family, it's best to go and let them poke and prod me while I'm in good enough condition to actually not get snarly if they don't give me something for pain RIGHT FARKIN NOW.


/still don't wanna go
 
2013-04-23 01:54:38 PM  

Magnanimous_J: nekom: I mean, let's not live in fantasy land here, smoking anything IS unhealthy.

Well sure, inhaling smoke of any kind isn't healthy. But even discounting all the carcinogens and additives in tobacco that aren't in MJ, the sheer volume of material being smoked is so much less.

Think about how much tobacco is in a cigarette, if you unpack it and loosen it up a bit, it will fill up your palm. Now think about an average "smoker" consuming 10 to 30 times that amount, daily. At that rate, it still takes decades to develop serious health problems.

Given that an MJ smoker would inhale deeper and hold it in longer, I still say a daily MJ smoker who smokes multiple times during the day would have the equivalent to a 2 cigarette a day habit. Hardly the fast lane to an early grave.


THIS!

Show me one person who lights a cig, takes a drag, and snuffs it out for later.
 
2013-04-23 02:03:08 PM  
RockofAges: RockofAges:
The reason you are unable to process this is because of two major flaws in your own perspective, which, I hope, you will politely re-examine.

A) Even for recreational users, cannabis can be extremely therapeutic. There is no discrete and mutually exclusive "recreational" and "medical" spheres for the most part, although I am sure that there are more strictly medical users than there are strictly recreational (not in raw terms, but in terms of occurrence within their own communities). What I mean to say is that most persons you would personally label as "recreational" may (quite likely) have therapeutic reasons for doing so. Hell, having a beer or two can be therapeutic, and alcohol is a poison (where cannabis (THC / CBD, etc) is patently not). Cannabis use relieves pain, anxiety, nausea, insomnia in almost all persons. If you are not a regular user, you will not understand. Most people in this world suffer from some form of illness or stressor; privately or publicly. Cannabis is becoming so popular because now, via word of mouth and a changing culture, people are exp ...


Let's go with that.  Alcohol can reduce stress.  How many folks do you know - and believe - who honestly tell you that they're drinking for medical reasons?  When someone says they "I just need another drink, so I can calm down," or "I would have a harder time facing the day without beer," do you see it as a positive, or a negative thing?  Does it sound like it's a fix?

Do you see what it sounds like when you try to disingenuously try to co-mingle the primary reason someone might partake with unintended secondary effects, even when beneficial?

There ~are~ people out there that have legitimate reoccurring or persistent pain.  They could understandably turn to marijuana to cope with it.  I have done the research, I've seen the studies, and I've read the results - pot does have beneficial, medical potential.  The problem is that there's only one thing that pot excels at;  when smoked, it's great at reducing nausea.  Everything else it does, there exists medicine which is more effective, well regulated, available in consistent dosages, legally available from a number of places, with only two real downsides;
1) It could potentially be more expensive
2) It's not going to get you high

(If you'd like to travel down the side-effects path, we can go there, but frankly for the things that pot is used for, the various medicines have so few side effects that they too are often used for recreational purposes.)

B) There is still a great deal of stigmatization, particularly with regards to those of the boomer generation and older, attached to individuals who choose to partake of cannabis -- particularly within their own generations, and within professional circles, and within America (not so much Canada, but still present). Though you cannot compare it to being gay in kind or in degree -- would a gay friend OWE it to you to disclose their orientation to you, in full, and at length? Your friends usage of cannabis is, strictly speaking, none of your business. When something is none of your business but in fact someone elses, they have complete lease to tell you whatever stories they will surrounding any inquiries into it. This means that even in the very unlikely chance that your associates are intentionally lying to you, there are very good reasons to do so, as well as the fact that it is their basic and private right to do so. It remains a criminal activity for which a million Americans each and every year are arrested by police, whom are in turn increasingly falling into disrepute and an agonistic relationship with the very public they "serve and protect".

Surely you can't think I wouldn't have considered this?  That in discussing illegal acts, a perpetrator may worry about being caught or that others may think poorly of them?  Of course I've considered that.

Of course, none of that smacks of reality.  What I've seen is that - especially in semi-anonymous environments like the internet - people are more than ready to admit to drug usage or other acts they know to be criminal.  Look at several cases in this thread alone.  You don't even have folks invoking SWIM anymore.  In my experience, the folks who openly admit to smoking pot completely unsolicited, especially the type that announce they just waked-n-baked every dang day, still immediately claim the medical virtues as their main point, even while everything else they say or do is proselytizing for recreational use.

I think it's more likely - though stupid - that our culture still associates anything that causes pleasure with guilt, and consciously attempts to devalue things who's primary purpose smacks of hedonism, and these individuals are not secure enough in themselves to realize that.

C) The harm principle applies.

Agree, 110%.  There's no reason pot smoking should be illegal.  I'm not being sarcastic.  It makes no sense whatsoever.  At worst, it should be subject to the same restrictions as liquor, and that's in the worst case.

Now, I actually have what some folks would consider a radical viewpoint on this.  I also think that all other recreational drugs should be legalized.  If someone can handle a cocaine habit, then what's the problem with them managing that in their own time?  If they can't handle it, they'll reap what they sow, so it's a self-correcting situation.  Again, not sarcasm.  Some folks will be able to handle it, some won't, and this goes for every drug out there, since even the best of them can be psychologically addictive.  If you can't keep a job or you lose all your teeth, that's the breaks, but no one but YOU should be allowed to make that choice.

Of course, I'd want government regulation for safety purposes, verify purity and dosage.  May only a slight step above a shady guy in a trench coat telling you he 'guarantees' it's good, but it's something.

Following the harm principle, you also have to consider children, siblings, parents, and spouses in the household, employers and places of business, operation of vehicles in public, and so on.  Penalties should be severe, as showing that you're incapable of not causing other people harm while on a given drug proves that you are incapable of handling it, and so you have discarded your chance at that freedom.  Being intoxicated in public outside of approved venues has a high potential for inadvertent harm as well, so you'd necessarily include that too, especially at a point when judgement is impaired.

Luckily, most of our existing laws already cover these situations, and they already have severe penalties, and social order takes care of the rest - such as being unemployed as a consequence.  So really, very little would have to change.

Thank you for listening.

No problem!
 
2013-04-23 02:06:37 PM  
Yikes. Sorry everyone else for the freakin' long post.
 
2013-04-23 02:14:19 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: . I never thought the lack of constant pain would be a problem, but it is when it comes to figuring out how to fix something. I can go days, weeks, even months without being bothered one bit. Suddenly, out of nowhere, I'll be in various levels of pain that can change rapidly throughout the day and have severe muscle spasms. This "stage" can last for a few weeks, or, in one particularly bad time period, little over two and half years. When I don't have the problems, I'm just as active as the teenager I still seem to think that I am. When I do have the problems, I feel older than my 90 year old grandmother.


That is very similar to how ankylosing spondylitis and some other autoimmune diseases work, both with the periodic flare ups and the focus on the spine/pelvis. Muscle spasms can be a response to inflammation; as it was explained to me, your body tries to "splint" the inflamed area because it perceives the inflammation as damage. Hurts like a motherfarker though.

Have you ever gotten a blood test for HLA-B27?
 
2013-04-23 02:36:39 PM  

Jubeebee: Real Women Drink Akvavit: . I never thought the lack of constant pain would be a problem, but it is when it comes to figuring out how to fix something. I can go days, weeks, even months without being bothered one bit. Suddenly, out of nowhere, I'll be in various levels of pain that can change rapidly throughout the day and have severe muscle spasms. This "stage" can last for a few weeks, or, in one particularly bad time period, little over two and half years. When I don't have the problems, I'm just as active as the teenager I still seem to think that I am. When I do have the problems, I feel older than my 90 year old grandmother.

That is very similar to how ankylosing spondylitis and some other autoimmune diseases work, both with the periodic flare ups and the focus on the spine/pelvis. Muscle spasms can be a response to inflammation; as it was explained to me, your body tries to "splint" the inflamed area because it perceives the inflammation as damage. Hurts like a motherfarker though.

Have you ever gotten a blood test for HLA-B27?


I don't think so, simply because I do lack insurance and have for many, many years. Every test requires me to take out a loan for the big money stuff or to save up for a while, something many doctors just don't seem to understand. I do have to see a doctor in a couple/few hours to pick up some papers so they'll sedate me tomorrow and I won't bite, kick or punch anyone (I'm claustrophobic and a fighter even if I try not to be, so my MRIs are dangerous to those around me), so I guess I could ask the doc to order that test.

Is that test for autoimmune things in general or is it a test for a specific thing? Autoimmune doesn't surprise me when it's mentioned - a few relatives have various issues labeled as such - but I am fighting the very concept simply because, far as I know, it really means "deal with it, cuz we can't fix it". That's very discouraging, not to mention depressing. I hate being sad. :'-(
 
2013-04-23 03:00:09 PM  
And when your problem is "makes pharmaceutical companies richer" your real problem is "doesn't get you high"
 
2013-04-23 03:03:43 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Is that test for autoimmune things in general or is it a test for a specific thing? Autoimmune doesn't surprise me when it's mentioned - a few relatives have various issues labeled as such - but I am fighting the very concept simply because, far as I know, it really means "deal with it, cuz we can't fix it". That's very discouraging, not to mention depressing. I hate being sad. :'-(


It's specifically for spondyloarthropathy, which is basically inflammatory arthritis in various forms. If you got it in the axial skeleton (pelvis, spine, ribs), it's ankylosing spondylitis, and if it's elsewhere it goes by other names.

The good news is that while there isn't a cure, there are some pretty effective ways to manage it. Like I said, my diagnosis changed my LIFE. Knowing what is wrong and how to make it better is much preferable to just ignoring it and trying to get by. I actually felt a flare up coming on yesterday, but I did my anti-inflammatory procedure for the entire evening, and today it's GONE. Not muted. Gone. No pain. So there is hope, even without getting into some of the more extreme medications.

Not having insurance sucks; I've been in that boat for most of my life. A few of very basic questions that I remember being asked during diagnosis:
Does staying in one position (sitting on an airplane, for example) make it worse?
Does ibuprofen work better than tylonal?
Are you usually tired?
And you already said that other people in your family have autoimmune shiat.

Seriously, as far as chronic, genetic defects go, this isn't the worst. If you have it, it sucks, but if you get treatment it's not the end of the world.
 
2013-04-23 03:06:22 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: The stench is what gets to me. It hurts my eyes and makes me cough, and that's just second-hand. I won't be trying it first-hand when it has that effect on me from a distance.
There are probably people like me out there, but with medical conditions that benefit from marijuana. This can only be good for them.


A smell makes your eyes hurt? Drama queen much?
 
2013-04-23 03:43:36 PM  

Jubeebee: Seriously, as far as chronic, genetic defects go, this isn't the worst. If you have it, it sucks, but if you get treatment it's not the end of the world.


Well, I'm already going to ask for a couple other things when I go to the doc's in a bit, may as well ask for the blood test, too. The friend who's paying for the MRI won't even blink about adding in some blood work. Not only does she know it will be paid back, but she wants me to get the best care I can. She misses having her travel and hell raising buddy.

Thanks for the encouragement, btw. The negativity in the form of "you're screwed" from others is sometimes even worse than the "nobody knows what's wrong, so you're wrong, there's nothing wrong" thing from too many doctors.
 
2013-04-23 03:48:16 PM  

lennavan: give me doughnuts: That's what we're talking about.

No it isn't.

give me doughnuts: This is just a step on the road to granting some pharmaceutical company a patent on a plant that has been used in it's current form for the past 6,000 years as a medicine.

No it isn't.  If you smoked pot instead of crack, you never would have hallucinated this sentence.


I don't even smoke weed. All it does is make me fall asleep.
 
2013-04-23 03:51:12 PM  
I'm all for THC pills, even THC pills with the extra stuff from the plant in them.
There's absolutely no reason why we should ever have to smell someone's medication.
With the pills people can just take them when they need them and won't be time inconvenienced by needing to finding a place to toke their dose.

ReverendJynxed:  I'm actually snot-flying-out-the-nose allergic to weed smoke (and hemp and a few others like pigweed), more than half of pot users are as well but are just too damned stoned to NOTICE its farking up their respiratory health.
xkillyourfacex: Half the "high" people feel is from holding their breath too long on the monoxide and dioxide in the smoke and the primary allergic reaction.  Weed just does NOT hit that fast;  It isn't cocaine.
quietwalker: I agree completely, we should ban tobacco and alcohol too, they've never been proven to cure anything and you can only benefit from their chronic use IF you're already addicted to them.
 
2013-04-23 03:58:26 PM  
Brilliant idea: Outlaw coffee and tea! For health and morality reasons!

Then allow the pharmaceutical companies to make pills that are the rendered down effective agents!

Millions I tells ya!



c1.soap.com
Gee I wonder why no one has introduced a pill like that yet
 
2013-04-23 04:08:10 PM  

Mr. Right: If the proponents of medical marijuana (one of which I happen to be) are serious about using it for pain management, they will welcome this study, as smoking anything presents a risk to the lungs and other respiratory organs that tablets will avoid.

However, if governments and drug companies are serious about pain relief and not just controlling marijuana, they will acknowledge that some users, suffering from nausea, for example, will find a pill unacceptable and still need to smoke it.

We'll know the true motives of both sides by how this debate shapes up as research progresses.



It isn't legal to sell pot brownies either, or to vaporize the raw drug, and neither presents the dangers of smoking.

If the true motives of prohibitionists weren't already obvious to you, you're probably dead or in a persistent vegetative state.
 
2013-04-23 04:19:07 PM  

fireclown: No, subby.  This story isn't "big pharma gets richer", it is "medical marijuana advocates don't want medicine so much as they want to get high".


Well, since I bothered to read the article, the actual story is, the pill form lasts longer than smoking, but takes longer to kick in than smoking.  EXACTLY the same as differences as eating a pot brownie.  Hmmm.
 
2013-04-23 04:23:02 PM  

lennavan: give me doughnuts: lennavan: I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement. I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.

Either set it outside when it blooms, or use a small paintbrush or Q-Tip to transfer pollen between the blooms.

Yeah I tried those, I guess I didn't really have the patience for the Q-Tip thing.  You have to do it for like a dozen or more different flowers every day.  I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up and I'll put it back outside.



I'm not really familiar with the mini or dwarf fruit trees. My brain keeps picturing a bonsai orange tree that a former boss of mine had. he's do the Q-tip thing on a half-dozen blooms, and pluck the rest off. He's usually end up with one or two huge oranges on this tiny little tree. Surreal.
 
2013-04-23 04:36:33 PM  
Counter: If they are hvaing (sic) trouble keeping food down, how the fark is a pill going to help? They're going to throw that up too!
Shhhhh, hush now with that logic.
 
2013-04-23 04:48:40 PM  
See, this is what happens when you have a study of only 30 people and you include habitual smokers in the group.

FTFA: "A pill form of marijuana may work just as well to relieve pain as the smoked form, but with fewer side effects, new research suggests."

While I agree that it's desirable to have a way to give people the benefit of cannabis without the potential lung damage, most of what I've read says that the majority of medical marijuana users ingest it rather than smoke it and that the effect lasts longer from ingesting it, so there's a problem already solved. Considering how every pill in existence has a list of potential side effects as long as my leg, if I were prescribed cannabis I'd rather have it in brownie form than pill form, thanx very much.
 
2013-04-23 04:52:24 PM  

prjindigo: I'm all for THC pills, even THC pills with the extra stuff from the plant in them.
There's absolutely no reason why we should ever have to smell someone's medication.
With the pills people can just take them when they need them and won't be time inconvenienced by needing to finding a place to toke their dose.

ReverendJynxed:  I'm actually snot-flying-out-the-nose allergic to weed smoke (and hemp and a few others like pigweed), more than half of pot users are as well but are just too damned stoned to NOTICE its farking up their respiratory health.
xkillyourfacex: Half the "high" people feel is from holding their breath too long on the monoxide and dioxide in the smoke and the primary allergic reaction.  Weed just does NOT hit that fast;  It isn't cocaine.
quietwalker: I agree completely, we should ban tobacco and alcohol too, they've never been proven to cure anything and you can only benefit from their chronic use IF you're already addicted to them.


There is so much stupid with this post I don't even know where to start.

But lets start anyway with your citations for "more than half of pot users are allergic to pot" claim. Provide that and we'll go on from there.
 
Displayed 50 of 217 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report