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(NBC News)   Research suggests marijuana pill may help relieve pain better than the traditional smoking method, and by "relieve pain better", they really mean "make pharmaceutical companies richer"   (vitals.nbcnews.com) divider line 217
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2013-04-23 11:24:06 AM  

jfivealive: It also makes Pink Floyd sound good


I swear there was a pig in the room.
 
2013-04-23 11:29:11 AM  
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2013-04-23 11:32:55 AM  
Whatever gets prohibition abolished.
 
2013-04-23 11:33:43 AM  

lennavan: vudukungfu: Any pharmaceutics concern making a penny from something the grows wild needs a kick in the balls.

Never go to a grocery store.  The sheer number of things that grow in the wild that are sold for profit will probably give you a stroke.


There is almost nothing in the produce section of a grocery store that grows that way in the wild. Just about everything is the result of hundreds, if not thousands, of generations* of cultivation.


*plant generations
 
2013-04-23 11:36:18 AM  
Oh, and I've noticed in this thread some people worrying about "Big Tobacco" getting ahold of cannabis.

I WANT tobacco companies to grow pot! I would probably buy from smaller, artisinal companies, like I did when I smoked tobacco. Go look at what's available in pipe tobacco or cigars or rolling tobacco - tremendous variety, low prices, expertise in growing and preparing the product. Big tobacco would probably produce a low quality, very cheap product, which wouldn't bother me at all - they might also produce an organic product, as American Spirit does (which is owned by Reynolds). I don't really care.

It would also be great fun to see big tobacco eating into big pharma's market. At least they know how to sell something cheaply, while pharma is very big on getting every last penny they can out of sick people.
 
2013-04-23 11:37:13 AM  
Wasn't part of the non-legalization argument that the strength of the thc couldn't be controlled?  Now that every indoor grower has that to a science what's the issue?

  ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)
 
2013-04-23 11:39:47 AM  

fireclown: Psycoholic_Slag: fireclown: No, subby.  This story isn't "big pharma gets richer", it is "medical marijuana advocates don't want medicine so much as they want to get high".

You say that like it's a bad thing.  Thanks for looking out for my best interests.

I don't mean to.  I favor full legalization for recreational use.  But I have come to despise the artifice.  Every time someone starts going on and on about the amazing medical powers (and total lack of negative effects) of Marijuana, they seem to be stoners.  I just want some more honesty in the conversation.


Ohhh shut the fark up. You spout the same shiat every time "I'd be in favor of legalization if potheads would just admit it's for recreational use!" Well here you go: I want it legalized for recreational use. Unfortunately that hasn't worked very well in the past. By pushing its medicinal benefits (and don't argue about the medicinal benefits, you look stupid every time), we can at least get it pushed into a positive light and work from there.

I want some more honesty from you. You show up in damn near every MJ thread spouting the same shiat, while ignoring the farkers that do use it (or their friends/family) for the medicinal benefits. Why do you ignore all of their posts?
 
2013-04-23 11:41:39 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: You don't have to smoke it to feel the effects....

I present to you

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Now that's a safe alternative.


Plus they taste good and don't smell up the house.

/except for the smell of fresh baked brownies
//tasty tasty brownies
 
2013-04-23 11:41:47 AM  

vudukungfu: lennavan: Never go to a grocery store.  The sheer number of things that grow in the wild that are sold for profit will probably give you a stroke.

This is Vermont. We have year round farmer's markets.
Cripes, I have a mini banana tree.



I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement.  I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.

give me doughnuts: There is almost nothing in the produce section of a grocery store that grows that way in the wild. Just about everything is the result of hundreds, if not thousands, of generations* of cultivation.



The tomatoes I grow in my backyard are 10x tastier than any tomato I've ever bought from a store.

You're both missing the point.  vudukungfu seemed to think companies profiting off things you can grow yourself was wildly outrageous.  It's not always about access, it's also about convenience.  You can grow tobacco, yet tobacco companies still exist.  You can have your own cow, yet dairy farmers still have jobs.  You can buy a permit and go fish up your own fish.  Fish just live in the wild, you can just go out and catch one.  Yet there are lots of people profiting off of the fishing industry.

If we legalize pot, pharmaceutical companies growing pot and packaging it for you to generate a profit isn't exactly crazy.  They don't need a kick in the balls.
 
2013-04-23 11:42:25 AM  
I'm pretty sure that right now the "traditional" method for pain is by eating.
 
2013-04-23 11:42:29 AM  

SlashW: Wasn't part of the non-legalization argument that the strength of the thc couldn't be controlled?  Now that every indoor grower has that to a science what's the issue?

  ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)


Ehhh not really. That's actually one of the arguments against the pill form. As it comes in pre-measured doses, you can't control how much you intake, which can make you feel worse than if you hadn't taken anything.

SlashW: ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)


How YOU doin?
 
2013-04-23 11:44:12 AM  

nekom: vpb:
Yes, but I thought there was a THC pill already on the market.  Besides, for some medical conditions the hazard of smoking is kind of irrelevant.

Marinol, I believe. And I agree, in the case of a terminally ill patient, smoke away. But for an otherwise healthy person suffering from glaucoma, non-terminal cancer who need the appetite boost, etc. it's a bit safer. I support both medical and responsible recreational use among adults, but I can't say that smoking any substance is "safe".


Well, certainly smoking plant material is not as safe as other methods, but it's relative.  If you smoked 1 joint a day, it's the same as walking down the street in the city inhaling all the crap that cars spew out.  Smoking 1 joint a day will not significantly increase your chances of contracting cancer.  I've read an article that suggests that cannabis actually has a protective effect against cancer.
 
2013-04-23 11:46:09 AM  

scottydoesntknow: fireclown: Psycoholic_Slag: fireclown: No, subby.  This story isn't "big pharma gets richer", it is "medical marijuana advocates don't want medicine so much as they want to get high".

You say that like it's a bad thing.  Thanks for looking out for my best interests.

I don't mean to.  I favor full legalization for recreational use.  But I have come to despise the artifice.  Every time someone starts going on and on about the amazing medical powers (and total lack of negative effects) of Marijuana, they seem to be stoners.  I just want some more honesty in the conversation.

Ohhh shut the fark up. You spout the same shiat every time "I'd be in favor of legalization if potheads would just admit it's for recreational use!" Well here you go: I want it legalized for recreational use. Unfortunately that hasn't worked very well in the past. By pushing its medicinal benefits (and don't argue about the medicinal benefits, you look stupid every time), we can at least get it pushed into a positive light and work from there.

I want some more honesty from you. You show up in damn near every MJ thread spouting the same shiat, while ignoring the farkers that do use it (or their friends/family) for the medicinal benefits. Why do you ignore all of their posts?


Somebody somewhere said marijuana never causes any problems and he just wants to address that this may be undermining marijuana legalization.  He's just looking for the people that always do that to provide some honesty.  He's just very, very concerned that these people may be using medicine as a ruse for drug legalization.

This could be bad... for marijuana.
 
2013-04-23 11:47:45 AM  

SlashW: ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)


How YOU doin'?
 
2013-04-23 11:50:10 AM  
scottydoesntknowwins the race.

/shakes tiny fist
 
2013-04-23 11:50:24 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm pretty sure that right now the "traditional" method for pain is by eating.


Tinctures are actually better than baked goods or other foods.  You can get a much more controlled dose and it comes on much more quickly and doesn't last so long.  Eating THC in foods can be really hit-or-miss, depending on what else you've eaten, how hydrated you are, how fast your metabolism is, etc.  With a few drops of tincture, you get a much faster result that doesn't last nearly as long, it's much more controlled.
 
2013-04-23 11:53:15 AM  
So you can inject it?
 
2013-04-23 11:54:51 AM  

santadog: That 2 dozen chocolate chip pot cookies in my kitchen.. MUCH better than taking a pill.

Edibles are the way to go.


That's mostly what I would use if I could, but the problem is, I've never really used marijuana in any form before, so it knocks me out. I'm sitting here looking at two dark chocolate bars laden with cannabis and thinking "mmmm...cookies", but I know if I do that, one cookie will mean being knocked on my chubby ass for the next 6-8 hours. I also am looking at a half ounce of Harlequin (high CBD, low psychoreactivity, doesn't make me AS drowsy) and I know that if I need it, I'll take one or two puffs and be peachy keen for a couple hours, at least. I'll also be less inclined to eat everything in sight, as apparently nomming on a chocolate bar with pot in it just makes me want more chocolate-y goodness.

Also, unless they're going to let us start buying the pills from the dispensary just like we do our chocolate bars, cannabutter and bud, then I'll bump into the same problem I had that made me switch from Vicodin to medical pot in the first place. Lots of doctors that don't want to give you pills because they think you're "too young" to have chronic pain, a lifetime of rowdiness not counting toward "things that can cause you significant, chronic pain when you're in your 40's", I guess.

I'll stick to the bud, especially since I lack health insurance AND I'm kind of figuring out my limit on Cannabis laced chocolate is about one quarter of a dose for other people.

Hear that, slightly rowdy middle aged stoner metal head type dudes? Cheap date, right here. Just lock up yer booze, because I will devastate huge swaths of your liquor cabinet in no time flat. Your pot, medical or otherwise, is most likely safe.
 
2013-04-23 11:56:41 AM  

dryknife: So you can inject it?


Suuuurrrre...just make sure that you use a clean needle. Ya' don't want to get HIV from a dirty marijuana needle.
 
2013-04-23 11:57:08 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Rapmaster2000: I'm pretty sure that right now the "traditional" method for pain is by eating.

Tinctures are actually better than baked goods or other foods.  You can get a much more controlled dose and it comes on much more quickly and doesn't last so long.  Eating THC in foods can be really hit-or-miss, depending on what else you've eaten, how hydrated you are, how fast your metabolism is, etc.  With a few drops of tincture, you get a much faster result that doesn't last nearly as long, it's much more controlled.


My father has been using half a tablespoon of hemp oil infused with weed daily for his back pain.  He'd never had weed before and started using just this year after I hooked him up.

I got him the oil because I knew he'd never smoke anything.  I'm pretty amateur on this whole medical MJ thing so now I'm off to look up tinctures.
 
2013-04-23 11:57:34 AM  

lennavan: I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement. I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.


Try buying it a drink first.
 
2013-04-23 11:59:04 AM  
Haven't read the whole thread, so perhaps someone has already pointed this out-- but part of the draw of medical cannabis is that it isn't another pill.

When my (late, RIP, Ryan) boyfriend was living with cancer, he had to take handfuls of pills several times a day. For someone suffering nausea, this could be hard to keep down in the first place.

Vaporizing pot can be the key to being able to keep all your other medicines from flying back out of your stomach.
 
2013-04-23 11:59:29 AM  
THC doesn't absorb into the body during digestion very well unless it's bonded to a lipid. Thats why all the edibles people are posting are high in fats. Putting it in a pill doesn't make sense. It's best absorbed in aeresol form, or as a tincture.
 
2013-04-23 12:01:56 PM  
If it's anything like Marinol, then it will do exactly squat as ALL of the chemicals are important to the effect of pain relief you're trying to achieve.
 
2013-04-23 12:02:32 PM  

nekom: Not that I disagree with the point about corporate profits, but wouldn't a pill containing the same chemical that helps certain conditions (be that THC, CBD or whathaveyou) be a safer alternative?  I mean, let's not live in fantasy land here, smoking anything IS unhealthy.


This is why a lot of patients choose to vape or eat.
 
2013-04-23 12:06:17 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Lots of doctors that don't want to give you pills because they think you're "too young" to have chronic pain...


That's the sort of shiat that kept me living with untreated axial arthritis for 9 years. Yeah, I was totally faking the limp and back spasms.
 
2013-04-23 12:06:35 PM  

fireclown: No, subby.  This story isn't "big pharma gets richer", it is "medical marijuana advocates don't want medicine so much as they want to get high".


No, this is you not understanding exactly why these pills don't work.  Check my previous postings.
 
2013-04-23 12:07:11 PM  
C'mon Illinois voters... you've flirted with this idea for a couple goes now... just legalize the damn stuff. I like living here but that would put it over the top. I still generally think it's a given within the next 5 years (maybe 8-10 at worst).

/not sure if I would be comfortable going to a doc and pretending I have headaches or whatever though
//wish I could just say it relaxes me
///not hard to come by regardless
 
2013-04-23 12:07:32 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: If it's anything like Marinol, then it will do exactly squat as ALL of the chemicals are important to the effect of pain relief you're trying to achieve.


It will probably be synthesized and have all kinds of horrible side effects, not to mention that it'll probably cost an arm and a leg and won't be covered by some health insurance plans.
 
2013-04-23 12:08:38 PM  
I have a family member had chronic head pain as a result of a car accident. They used to give her all kinds of painkillers, many of which had horrible side effects (like screaming nightmares.) She had to take handfuls of those just to function. Now she just has a little pot, and everything's fine.

If you have never had a loved one in chronic pain, trust me when I say you would do ANYTHING to provide relief. I'd have fed her slices of my own skin if it would have helped. Medical pot is a godsend, and all you guys who oppose it can STFU and DIAF
 
2013-04-23 12:08:49 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tinctures are actually better than baked goods or other foods.  You can get a much more controlled dose and it comes on much more quickly and doesn't last so long.  Eating THC in foods can be really hit-or-miss, depending on what else you've eaten, how hydrated you are, how fast your metabolism is, etc.  With a few drops of tincture, you get a much faster result that doesn't last nearly as long, it's much more controlled.


Ok, so do you know, what is the difference between the tinctures and the concentrates? My dispensary carries both (and a whole lotta other stuff, including caramel corn!) and they're both pretty spendy. Are they interchangeable, used differently, just a quick way to treat the issue? Just thought I'd ask here, cuz the guy at the dispensary is .... distracting. Not in a good way, either.
 
2013-04-23 12:13:42 PM  

lennavan: vudukungfu: lennavan: Never go to a grocery store.  The sheer number of things that grow in the wild that are sold for profit will probably give you a stroke.

This is Vermont. We have year round farmer's markets.
Cripes, I have a mini banana tree.

I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement.  I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.

give me doughnuts: There is almost nothing in the produce section of a grocery store that grows that way in the wild. Just about everything is the result of hundreds, if not thousands, of generations* of cultivation.

The tomatoes I grow in my backyard are 10x tastier than any tomato I've ever bought from a store.

You're both missing the point.  vudukungfu seemed to think companies profiting off things you can grow yourself was wildly outrageous.  It's not always about access, it's also about convenience.  You can grow tobacco, yet tobacco companies still exist.  You can have your own cow, yet dairy farmers still have jobs.  You can buy a permit and go fish up your own fish.  Fish just live in the wild, you can just go out and catch one.  Yet there are lots of people profiting off of the fishing industry.

If we legalize pot, pharmaceutical companies growing pot and packaging it for you to generate a profit isn't exactly crazy.  They don't need a kick in the balls.


Has Starkist patented tuna?
Does Dole have the rights to pineapple?
Does Burpee (or whoever) hold a copyright on the variety of tomato you grow in your back yard?

That's what we're talking about. This is just a step on the road to granting some pharmaceutical company a patent on a plant that has been used in it's current form for the past 6,000 years as a medicine.
 
2013-04-23 12:13:49 PM  

Kibbler: JackieRabbit: nekom: Not that I disagree with the point about corporate profits, but wouldn't a pill containing the same chemical that helps certain conditions (be that THC, CBD or whathaveyou) be a safer alternative?  I mean, let's not live in fantasy land here, smoking anything IS unhealthy.

No, this isn't true. Marijuana smoke does not cause cancer, heart disease or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Not a single case of any of these smoking related-disease has ever been linked to marijuana use. A few studies have found some minor airway changes in the lungs after years of heavy pot smoking, but these changes are fully reversible. Quite to the contrary, marijuana is a mild bronchodilator, which can help asthmatics breath easier without the cardiovascular side effects.

Smoking it used to make my heart pound at an alarming rate, and make my ears ring.  I was young so I ignored it, naturally.  I wouldn't touch it now, if it were legal.

I think the stuff should be legal, but any drug has its dangers.

/flame away


I'm of the belief that D.A.R.E. should be outlawed and replaced with a comprehensive drug education program, one where the pros and cons of each drug are listed (instead of simply fear mongering, or pretending that certain substances can't have negative effects) and abstinence from said drugs is given as an option.  More like a sexual education program as they are run in states that aren't full of mouth breathers.
 
2013-04-23 12:15:09 PM  
Look, I'm not 'the man', I'm not some ultra conservative with a stick up my ass. I'm not a giggly kid, I'm mature - I'm in my middle 30's, and I know folks my age and older who still try to convince me that they're in it for medical reasons. Why do people continually show me such disrespect that they have to lie to me?  Why is it so hard for people to just admit they want to get high?

All you folks out there that are lying right now, realize that the reason you incite such vitriol is because when you lie to us in such an obvious way, what you are really telling us is one of two things:

  "I do not respect you."
             and/or
  "I do not respect myself."

Either marks YOU as someone who is not deserving of respect.

That's why some people treat you like a reprobate, not because you like to get high, but because you treat others and/or yourself like crap.
 
2013-04-23 12:16:25 PM  

lennavan: I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement. I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.


Either set it outside when it blooms, or use a small paintbrush or Q-Tip to transfer pollen between the blooms.
 
2013-04-23 12:18:25 PM  

quietwalker: Look, I'm not 'the man', I'm not some ultra conservative with a stick up my ass. I'm not a giggly kid, I'm mature - I'm in my middle 30's, and I know folks my age and older who still try to convince me that they're in it for medical reasons. Why do people continually show me such disrespect that they have to lie to me?  Why is it so hard for people to just admit they want to get high?

All you folks out there that are lying right now, realize that the reason you incite such vitriol is because when you lie to us in such an obvious way, what you are really telling us is one of two things:

  "I do not respect you."
             and/or
  "I do not respect myself."

Either marks YOU as someone who is not deserving of respect.

That's why some people treat you like a reprobate, not because you like to get high, but because you treat others and/or yourself like crap.


Did we find fireclown's alt? Spewing the same shiat, just a different name.
 
2013-04-23 12:20:07 PM  

vudukungfu: neutronstar: Who would choose to take a pill when they could instead take their medicine via brownie or cookie

Someone nauseous from Chemo.


How would you be able to keep down a pill if you're too nauseous for food?
 
2013-04-23 12:22:08 PM  

SlashW: Wasn't part of the non-legalization argument that the strength of the thc couldn't be controlled?  Now that every indoor grower has that to a science what's the issue?

  ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)


That part makes me think that you risk anaphylaxis every time you smoke it.
 
2013-04-23 12:25:57 PM  

scottydoesntknow: SlashW: Wasn't part of the non-legalization argument that the strength of the thc couldn't be controlled?  Now that every indoor grower has that to a science what's the issue?

  ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)

Ehhh not really. That's actually one of the arguments against the pill form. As it comes in pre-measured doses, you can't control how much you intake, which can make you feel worse than if you hadn't taken anything.

SlashW: ** don't smoke it, can't, it makes me incredibly STUPID (and for some reason makes my tongue hot and it won't stay in my mouth)

How YOU doin?


Clicks on SlashW's profile...




farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-23 12:27:39 PM  

quietwalker: Look, I'm not 'the man', I'm not some ultra conservative with a stick up my ass. I'm not a giggly kid, I'm mature - I'm in my middle 30's, and I know folks my age and older who still try to convince me that they're in it for medical reasons. Why do people continually show me such disrespect that they have to lie to me?  Why is it so hard for people to just admit they want to get high?

All you folks out there that are lying right now, realize that the reason you incite such vitriol is because when you lie to us in such an obvious way, what you are really telling us is one of two things:

  "I do not respect you."
             and/or
  "I do not respect myself."

Either marks YOU as someone who is not deserving of respect.

That's why some people treat you like a reprobate, not because you like to get high, but because you treat others and/or yourself like crap.


No, we treat you like crap because you, like other Farkers in this thread, are choosing to ignore both the Farkers like myself who are openly in it for the recreation AND the Farkers who need it or have family members who need it for medicinal purposes.

And I'm sorry, but I simply can't afford to grant any respect to somebody who has already made it clear that they refuse to respect me no matter what I say.
 
2013-04-23 12:28:25 PM  
No, you know what?  I'm not sorry.  You can go right ahead and fark yourself raw.
 
2013-04-23 12:28:37 PM  

leviosaurus: I have a family member had chronic head pain as a result of a car accident. They used to give her all kinds of painkillers, many of which had horrible side effects (like screaming nightmares.) She had to take handfuls of those just to function. Now she just has a little pot, and everything's fine.

If you have never had a loved one in chronic pain, trust me when I say you would do ANYTHING to provide relief. I'd have fed her slices of my own skin if it would have helped. Medical pot is a godsend, and all you guys who oppose it can STFU and DIAF


Yep.
 
2013-04-23 12:30:50 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: No, you know what?  I'm not sorry.  You can go right ahead and fark yourself raw.


Lol
 
2013-04-23 12:31:18 PM  

Jubeebee: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Lots of doctors that don't want to give you pills because they think you're "too young" to have chronic pain...

That's the sort of shiat that kept me living with untreated axial arthritis for 9 years. Yeah, I was totally faking the limp and back spasms.


You hit that point where you know it's not going to get any better, only worse, and when doctors won't listen, it's even more frustrating than just the pain and losing function of limbs. One of my legs suddenly quit responding and the pain hit record levels. I had to rely on the ER (no insurance) and it wasn't until I flipped out on them because my muscles had atrophied so badly in that leg that they figured there may indeed be an issue.

I STILL ended up just lurking outside the county health clinic and buying pain meds from the poor people for about a year, and got the use of my leg back by designing my own PT program at home. I am still very distrustful of medical personnel because of years of many of them minimizing and even insulting me for the combination of pain and "holy crap, this is not cool" I was going through at its peak. Having to go to a doctor monthly to refill a pill for something I could grow in the shed is not going to happen.

I'm still not entirely comfortable with the medical marijuana for myself, but it's been incredibly helpful. I also wake up with less stiffness and pain, not to mention I actually sleep for more than a couple hours at a time after I do use it (which is not daily, but close). I'm kind of sorry I wasn't first in line for the "pot paper" when it first became legal. I would have saved myself a whole lot of bad days. I think the whole "not comfy" thing is a lifetime of "marijuana bad", because there's no other reason I can think of for me not to be totally chill with it.
 
2013-04-23 12:36:29 PM  
The thing people are missing is by inhalation, the pain relief is nearly instant.  A pill must be metabolized.
You don't have to smoke it, you vaporize it.  There's no carcinogens in vapor but there is in smoke, even pot smoke.
 
2013-04-23 12:40:59 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: quietwalker: Look, I'm not 'the man', I'm not some ultra conservative with a stick up my ass. I'm not a giggly kid, I'm mature - I'm in my middle 30's, and I know folks my age and older who still try to convince me that they're in it for medical reasons. Why do people continually show me such disrespect that they have to lie to me?  Why is it so hard for people to just admit they want to get high?

All you folks out there that are lying right now, realize that the reason you incite such vitriol is because when you lie to us in such an obvious way, what you are really telling us is one of two things:

  "I do not respect you."
             and/or
  "I do not respect myself."

Either marks YOU as someone who is not deserving of respect.

That's why some people treat you like a reprobate, not because you like to get high, but because you treat others and/or yourself like crap.

No, we treat you like crap because you, like other Farkers in this thread, are choosing to ignore both the Farkers like myself who are openly in it for the recreation AND the Farkers who need it or have family members who need it for medicinal purposes.

And I'm sorry, but I simply can't afford to grant any respect to somebody who has already made it clear that they refuse to respect me no matter what I say.


Responding to the most recent post, though they're all in the same line; overly defensive, overtly aggressive,  and using my outrage as proof that I'm actually overly conservative, etc, etc, all the things I said I wasn't.

I'm clearly expressing myself to those who are lying.  If you are not lying, you have no reason to be offended by this, much less make assumptions about what my thoughts are regarding marijuana use.  My issue was with people who openly and obviously lie to me, especially when they're people I've known for a while, and assumed some level of mutual respect.

That you'd take umbrage with my screed against liars implies (without any certainty) that you, yourself, are among them.  I'm going to assume for now that it was just certain individuals who are used to metaphorical screaming and ranting just to be heard, used to being ignored and distrusted,  clouded by emotions, and whom at another time would be more capable of rational discussion.

...

Not that it matters, even in the slightest, but I think marijuana should be legalized.  There's no valid reason I can comprehend why it's wouldn't be treated - in the worst case - any differently than alcohol.  What's the BFD?

I just don't people who lie to my face, and I suspect that few people do.
 
2013-04-23 12:41:23 PM  

give me doughnuts: That's what we're talking about.


No it isn't.

give me doughnuts: This is just a step on the road to granting some pharmaceutical company a patent on a plant that has been used in it's current form for the past 6,000 years as a medicine.


No it isn't.  If you smoked pot instead of crack, you never would have hallucinated this sentence.
 
2013-04-23 12:41:34 PM  

RockofAges: You'll get there. Stigma is a powerful force even if you are aware of it and the influence it has. Also, our side has cookies


I'm a chef. Our side could soon have an entire tasting menu, though I will be sure to include cookies or a cookie like item. For medicinal purposes and enjoyment, both.

/thinking of trying my hand at a cannabutter pizza dough
 
2013-04-23 12:42:50 PM  

give me doughnuts: lennavan: I have a mini blood orange tree in my basement. I haven't figured out how to pollinate it yet though, dammit.

Either set it outside when it blooms, or use a small paintbrush or Q-Tip to transfer pollen between the blooms.


Yeah I tried those, I guess I didn't really have the patience for the Q-Tip thing.  You have to do it for like a dozen or more different flowers every day.  I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up and I'll put it back outside.
 
2013-04-23 12:42:58 PM  
Weird how when the pharmaceutical companies synthesize THC, it somehow, magically becomes physically addictive.

I guess it's just one of those odd coincidences.
 
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