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2013-04-23 07:07:00 AM
Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.
 
2013-04-23 07:27:55 AM
Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?
 
2013-04-23 07:29:31 AM
Oh f*ck that.
 
2013-04-23 07:38:48 AM
BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.
 
2013-04-23 07:40:08 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.


You forgot one:  Minimum age to be a licensed pilot:  16.
 
2013-04-23 07:44:49 AM
That's incredibly stupid.

When I was in college, it was far easier to get illegal drugs than it was to get alcohol. Putting arbitrary age restrictions on things doesn't help the problem.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:12 AM

dittybopper: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.

You forgot one:  Minimum age to be a licensed pilot:  16.


Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:18 AM
Just make tobacco illegal.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:50 AM
There should be no arbitrary age restrictions. If you're an adult at 18, you should be able to drink and smoke if you farking want too.
 
2013-04-23 07:49:22 AM
I only care about secondhand smoke if people are smoking shiatty cigarettes or dirt weed. Or crack.

Outlaw cheap shiat.
 
2013-04-23 07:49:35 AM
We have to make sure the black market for cigarettes is supported.
 
2013-04-23 07:52:08 AM

hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!


Passing laws to protect us from ourselves is bad, no matter how you rationalize it or make fun of those who oppose it.
 
2013-04-23 07:54:43 AM
Meh. Enough people run cigarettes from the south (where there are low taxes on cigarettes) to NYC for resale for this to be a non-issue for most people.
 
2013-04-23 07:55:40 AM
 
2013-04-23 07:56:04 AM
Let your strawman corpsmen buy their cigarettes at the commissary on base, then.

There are many valid arguments against this idea: "hurr support th' troops" ain't one.
 
2013-04-23 07:56:42 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.


miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.


So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.
 
2013-04-23 07:56:55 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.


Offer only valid in Florida and Ohio.
 
2013-04-23 07:58:19 AM

hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?


18, but nice try.
 
2013-04-23 07:58:29 AM
Subby's trollin' trollin' trollin'

/rawhide
 
2013-04-23 07:58:31 AM
Dude runs a city like a frustrated high school administrator.

Which is to say, like an asswipe.

Dipfark could work on more important things, like reducing corruption in the police force, and his own administration.
Or washing the pee smells away. Plant some flowers, or put the homeless in a rehab program to kick start what is left of their lives.

Nah. He'd rather light a cuban with a C-note and piss off the balcony on the little people.

Well, I don't live there so it's not my shiathole.
But it is one.

Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.

Fix that, Bloomturd.
 
2013-04-23 07:59:40 AM
King Reagan had to resort to strong arming to enact his soldier-hating plans.
 
2013-04-23 08:00:54 AM
Michael Bloomberg can go fark himself.
 
2013-04-23 08:00:55 AM

vudukungfu: Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.

Fix that, Bloomturd.


Why don't you just stop doing heroin?
 
2013-04-23 08:01:51 AM
This jackass has been sniffing his own farts too long if he thinks he has a chance for any office outside of New York. Those idiots love to be lorded over and ruled with an iron first like ignorant peasants. Not so much for the rest of us.
 
2013-04-23 08:02:15 AM
Shouldn't that be Herr Bloomberg?
 
2013-04-23 08:03:14 AM
Aw jeez, not this shiat again.

I don't believe that Bloomberg gets the "pursuit of happiness" part of our founding fathers' intent.

/Bookmark for future epicness
 
2013-04-23 08:03:16 AM

vudukungfu: Dipfark could work on more important things, like reducing corruption in the police force, and his own administration.


www.2brendans.com
 
2013-04-23 08:04:08 AM

Alonjar: vudukungfu: Dipfark could work on more important things, like reducing corruption in the police force, and his own administration.

[www.2brendans.com image 400x213]


wow the filter destroyed my post.  oh well, im not making it again.  enjoy the seemingly random picture.
 
Skr
2013-04-23 08:04:30 AM
Either this is going to take a huge chunk out of tax revenue... or the 18-20 year olds will do the same thing the 13-18 year olds do to get cigs.


How difficult would it be for Bloomberg's successor to nullify these kinds of things?
 
2013-04-23 08:06:24 AM
Slippery slope arguments still invalid?
 
2013-04-23 08:06:25 AM

Skr: Either this is going to take a huge chunk out of tax revenue... or the 18-20 year olds will do the same thing the 13-18 year olds do to get cigs.


How difficult would it be for Bloomberg's successor to nullify these kinds of things?


Why would they want to if NYC voters support it?
 
2013-04-23 08:06:57 AM
BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


0/10. Try harder
 
2013-04-23 08:06:59 AM
He hates us for our freedoms.
 
2013-04-23 08:08:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Why would they want to if NYC voters support it?


I think the next mayoral election will decide if NYC voters do, in fact, support his crusades.
 
2013-04-23 08:09:32 AM

hardinparamedic: *The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


Which is why smokers pay more for health and life insurance.
 
2013-04-23 08:10:06 AM
Still no minimum age to drink a bottle of drano, have at'er folks; its just a quicker means to an end without as much cost to the rest of us.
 
2013-04-23 08:10:28 AM

GoldSpider: HotWingConspiracy: Why would they want to if NYC voters support it?

I think the next mayoral election will decide if NYC voters do, in fact, support his crusades.


I think is a particularly useless measure, but it's pretty clear that the people of NYC support the smoking bans.
 
2013-04-23 08:12:09 AM
Getting sick from watching anti-smoking commercials in NYS. This will give people cancer just from watching the commercials.
Stop wasting our money, lower taxes!!!!
 
2013-04-23 08:12:13 AM

chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.


I'm not trying, you are.

Youngest age to be convicted for murder is 11 in the US.

The youngest person to be executed in the 20th century was George Stinney, electrocuted in South Carolina at the age of 14, June 16, 1944. The last execution of a juvenile may have been Leonard Shockley, who died in the Maryland gas chamber April 10, 1959, at the age of 17.

Study it out.
 
2013-04-23 08:13:53 AM
We need to support our troops as we reach out to them and send out our hearts and thoughts and thank them for their service so that those who make the ultimate sacrifice will not have died in vain.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:02 AM
hey failmitter and posters: this isn't king bloomberg.

at the press conference, he was nowhere to be seen. this is Queen Quinn's baby.

But this latest proposal, announced by Dr. Thomas A. Farley, the city's health commissioner, and Christine C. Quinn, the City Council speaker and a mayoral candidate, puts New York squarely into the middle of a debate over the rights and responsibilities of young people, and it drew much skepticism.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:19 AM
New York.  The douchebag state.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:22 AM
NYC, are you tired of this control freak yet? Those racist stop and frisks of his don't create a very flattering image of NYC, either.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:32 AM
I am OK with this.  Politicians are, after all, smarter than the rest of us, so they obviously know what is best for us.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:33 AM

GoldSpider: hardinparamedic: *The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.

Which is why smokers pay more for health and life insurance.


In terms of health insurance I remember reading that lifetime payouts for habitual smokers are on average lower than those of non-smokers because they don't live nearly as long.

Life insurance though, yeah they should pay more for that.
 
2013-04-23 08:16:12 AM

chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.


16 has been the youngest since 1976   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_juvenile_offenders_executed_in_t h e_United_States
 
2013-04-23 08:19:01 AM

doubled99: 0/10. Try harder


Aww, it's cute. You think being outraged that 400 Billion Dollars in Medicare and Medicaid a year goes to keep a group of people alive who's disease was totally preventable is trolling.

GoldSpider: Which is why smokers pay more for health and life insurance.


Call me when they start paying more into social security and medicare taxes.
 
2013-04-23 08:19:32 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Meh. Enough people run cigarettes from the south (where there are low taxes on cigarettes) to NYC for resale for this to be a non-issue for most people.


How much do you actually have to transport to make something like that profitable?  Taking gas, vehicle wear, personal time, etc into account?  I imagine it is a lot.
 
2013-04-23 08:19:36 AM

hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


And what dollar value do you put on your personal freedom?
 
2013-04-23 08:19:41 AM
This isn't a bloomberg thing, its someone running for mayor.

Also, NJ already quietly raised the law to 19 a few years ago.
 
2013-04-23 08:19:48 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.


hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14. 16


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?



and I think we're pretty much done here

/oh yeah, fark Bloomberg
 
2013-04-23 08:21:59 AM
I am just itching to get the hell out of this city. I'm moving back out west. I was in the Corps, and if he takes away our being able to buy bloody cigarettes, then he needs to stop "speaking" Spanish at his news conferences. Just a rich douche trying to tell everyone else they live wrong.

Am I miffed? Nahhh.
/really
//really really
 
2013-04-23 08:22:18 AM
Cigarettes are legal only because they've been grandfathered in because of their age and the power of Big Tobacco. They are genuinely horrible - an engineered super addictive product that's a public health menace with essentially no benefit whatsoever.
 
2013-04-23 08:22:33 AM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.

miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.

So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.




Why not?
If you're old enough to have a politician tell you who's worth killing, you're old enough to make your own decisions about whether violence is required or not.

/and if you aren't then you shouldn't be allowed to vote, drink, drive or join the military on the grounds that you just aren't old enough to make any responsible decisions.
/the real measure should be maturity, but its difficult to gauge that.
 
2013-04-23 08:23:56 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.



Minimum age required to sign a legal contract? 18

Minimum age required to get married? 18
 
2013-04-23 08:24:25 AM

vudukungfu: Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.


Chances are good your heroin comes into New England via fishing boats in New Bedford and Gloucester...
 
2013-04-23 08:24:35 AM

hardinparamedic: Call me when they start paying more into social security and medicare taxes.


As Egoy3k pointed out, there's a good chance that smokers are drawing less from SS and medicate than non-smokers due to dying earlier.
 
2013-04-23 08:25:18 AM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.

miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.

So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.


WAAAAAAYYY back in the day, politicians used to hand out free booze to guarantee an election win, which subsequently is why a lot of states enacted various types of bans on the sale and consumption of alcohol on election days.
 
2013-04-23 08:25:28 AM

way south: If you're old enough to have a politician tell you who's worth killing, you're old enough to make your own decisions about whether violence is required or not.


I think thats the point though... alcohol impairs decision making ability, does it not?
 
2013-04-23 08:26:19 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Cigarettes are legal only because they've been grandfathered in because of their age and the power of Big Tobacco generate billions in sweet, sweet tax revenues.


FTFY.
 
2013-04-23 08:27:13 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.


It was 15 in Alabama when I was learning to drive.  That was a few years back though. Actually more than a few.  Damn I'm old.
 
2013-04-23 08:27:55 AM
Why the hell do New Yorkers keep voting for this a-hole?
 
2013-04-23 08:28:00 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Cigarettes are legal only because they've been grandfathered in because of their age and the power of Big Tobacco. They are genuinely horrible - an engineered super addictive product that's a public health menace with essentially no benefit whatsoever.


I agree, and I'm not arguing against you...but...

Same could be said for all kinds of "foods" that we consume...shait, you may as well lump alcohol into the mix too.  I guess my question is where do you draw the line on "what the body needs vs. indulgent with no real benefit?"
 
2013-04-23 08:29:29 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Cigarettes are legal only because they've been grandfathered in because of their age and the power of Big Tobacco. They are genuinely horrible - an engineered super addictive product that's a public health menace with essentially no benefit whatsoever.


Just like skate boarding.
 
2013-04-23 08:30:41 AM

Endive Wombat: Same could be said for all kinds of "foods" that we consume...shait, you may as well lump alcohol into the mix too. I guess my question is where do you draw the line on "what the body needs vs. indulgent with no real benefit?"


Just wait until he finds out about what MSG in foods like Doritos and Chinese buffets does.
 
2013-04-23 08:30:56 AM

Endive Wombat: WAAAAAAYYY back in the day, politicians used to hand out free booze to guarantee an election win, which subsequently is why a lot of states enacted various types of bans on the sale and consumption of alcohol on election days.


I believe they called it "swilling the mob." Election days were like big parties.

GoldSpider: TofuTheAlmighty: Cigarettes are legal only because they've been grandfathered in because of their age and the power of Big Tobacco generate billions in sweet, sweet tax revenues.

FTFY.


Flaw in your thesis: marijuana and other low harm taxable drugs are illegal. So something else is at work besides revenue need.
 
2013-04-23 08:32:18 AM
Ug. Sorry for crappy formatting above. I accidentally combined two posts into one. It's 7:30 am.
 
2013-04-23 08:32:42 AM

Endive Wombat: Alonjar: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.

miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.

So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.

WAAAAAAYYY back in the day, politicians used to hand out free booze to guarantee an election win, which subsequently is why a lot of states enacted various types of bans on the sale and consumption of alcohol on election days.


She is proposing that they are free adult American citizens and should be treated as such.  Same argument for gay marriage.
 
2013-04-23 08:35:18 AM

bugontherug: Flaw in your thesis: marijuana and other low harm taxable drugs are illegal. So something else is at work besides revenue need.


Not exactly... marijuana is considered a mind altering substance.  Any time you read the actual legal jargon these things are always refered to as mind altering substances.

The argument is that marijuana changes the way you think and make decisions... and thats bad.  Even if you say "Well ive tried it and i dont see the problem", you're considered tainted... you've been inflicted with the drugs.  So your decision making about it being harmless is flawed, because you yourself were harmed by it.  Get it?
 
2013-04-23 08:37:42 AM
Like was mentioned above. It's not Bloomberg, this time. It's that farking Quinn , wanna be mayor, chick. F*ck these people. F*ck those that think our individual freedoms have a price by biatching about "OMFG you cost more to keep healthy!!!" wargarbbl. I pay my premiums so F*ck YOU and the horse you rode in on.
 
2013-04-23 08:37:43 AM

hinten: chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.

I'm not trying, you are.

Youngest age to be convicted for murder is 11 in the US.

The youngest person to be executed in the 20th century was George Stinney, electrocuted in South Carolina at the age of 14, June 16, 1944. The last execution of a juvenile may have been Leonard Shockley, who died in the Maryland gas chamber April 10, 1959, at the age of 17.

Study it out.


Its 18 as of 2005 and as you noted has been for 55 years

/study it out
 
2013-04-23 08:43:40 AM
Voters and smokers are all terrible people.

/that should cover it
 
2013-04-23 08:48:20 AM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.

miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.

So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.


No. I'm trying to point out the inconsistencies and arbitrary nature behind some of these age limits. If the logic behind denial of alcohol before the age of 21 is based on some perceived lack of reasoning or higher judgement associated with adulthood, then why grant people below that cut-off access to guns, vehicles, voting and military service?

The fact that you can be potentially killed in the line of duty but can't go to a bar and order a drink strikes me as ludicrous.
 
2013-04-23 08:48:50 AM

Cheron: hinten: chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.

I'm not trying, you are.

Youngest age to be convicted for murder is 11 in the US.

The youngest person to be executed in the 20th century was George Stinney, electrocuted in South Carolina at the age of 14, June 16, 1944. The last execution of a juvenile may have been Leonard Shockley, who died in the Maryland gas chamber April 10, 1959, at the age of 17.

Study it out.

Its 18 as of 2005 and as you noted has been for 55 years

/study it out


Ah, I remember now, the day when the US took a tiny step towards joining civilized countries.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:50 AM
Lord Bloomberg's scorn for the military is well documented.

Back during Sandy, he made it clear he didn't want the NY National Guard deployed to NYC for disaster relief.  He wasn't saying that NYC didn't need disaster relief, but he thought that only the NYPD should ever be on the streets keeping order and helping, even in an emergency.

A local mayor, not even the mayor of NYC, can legally keep the NG out if the Governor sends them in, but Bloomberg made such a stink about it that the NYNG's role in Sandy relief there was minimized.

Basically he doesn't like the military because they are not accountable to him.  He wants power, and the military is power he can't control, unlike the NYPD.
 
2013-04-23 09:01:44 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.


All true.  As true as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

On the other hand, if you begin smoking at 18 then clearly you need someone to look after your best interests because you certainly aren't capable of doing it.  Besides, you'll likely not be able to afford a new lung or any other cancer afflicted body part.  And while carving people up and then reassembling them is certainly less expensive I'd rather not pay for any of it thankyouverymuch.
My suggestion is that individuals that would like to begin smoking at age 18 move to another state and begin the slow decline into death there.  A light hearted suggestion to start your tuesday morning.

doczoidberg: Why the hell do New Yorkers keep voting for this a-hole?


Because in the end, he has the better general welfare of the citizenry in mind.  I know, hard to believe isn't it?  He's a conservative and I'mmmm not.  Still and all, good is irrefutable from any corner.  Are you aware he's donated millions to public health and has a building with his name on it at NYU?  So yeah, he has an interest.

keylock71: vudukungfu: Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.
Chances are good your heroin comes into New England via fishing boats in New Bedford and Gloucester...

Did you know that you can row out and pull lobster pots in the middle of the day and nobody says a thing about it?  Don't pull the wrong pot though, you can't afford THAT lobster.  Just put that South American Lobster right back where you found him.  Ever troll for Mexican Lobster in Lake Champlain?
 
2013-04-23 09:02:06 AM

miss diminutive: No. I'm trying to point out the inconsistencies and arbitrary nature behind some of these age limits. If the logic behind denial of alcohol before the age of 21 is based on some perceived lack of reasoning or higher judgement associated with adulthood, then why grant people below that cut-off access to guns, vehicles, voting and military service?


Because MADD needs ever-tougher alcohol laws to justify its own existence.

Because they achieved their own goals with regards to tougher DUI laws within the first few years of their existence and then had to keep lobbying for ever stricter anti-alcohol laws to the point that their own founder quit in the mid-80's and now openly speaks out against them saying they are nothing but neo-prohibitionists.  One of the first crusades they went on after their initial stricter-DUI laws was passed was to raise the drinking age.

The logic was twofold, that neuroscience says that the brain wasn't completely done developing until the early 20's so drinking alcohol would stunt brain growth, and that by banning it you would completely eliminate drinking in people 20 and under forever.

<sarcasm mode>As we can see, by raising the drinking age to 21 nationwide, nobody ever drinks a drop of alcohol before their 21st birthday, preserving all those precious teenage brain cells.</sarcasm mode>

We couldn't easily change the voting age, that is enshrined in a Constitutional Amendment.  Changing the military age would seriously fark with military readiness.  Changing the age for drivers licenses would mess with all kinds of other effects (youth workforce, ect).  The easiest thing to change was drinking age, and since this was spearheaded by an anti-alcohol organization, it's all they cared about anyway.
 
2013-04-23 09:02:24 AM
he truly is the mayor new yorkers deserve.  that man has a serious control complex.
 
2013-04-23 09:06:35 AM

Alonjar: way south: If you're old enough to have a politician tell you who's worth killing, you're old enough to make your own decisions about whether violence is required or not.

I think thats the point though... alcohol impairs decision making ability, does it not?


Yes, but only after you've ingested it.
The choice to drink alcohol legally is a decision an adult is allowed. Binging is an abuse of alcohol the same way randomly firing a gun in the air is an abuse of firearms ownership. Letting yourself be lured into fighting for the military by the promise of honor, money, and adventure, is an abuse of your legal ability to enter a contract.

If you aren't "old enough" to do one then it stands to reason you aren't old enough to do any of these things.   If we are keeping you away from alcohol for fear that you're going to abuse it while doing other things, why allow it at all after you've let someone buy guns and cars or even join the military?
 
2013-04-23 09:08:19 AM
FARK Bloomberg! Fark the trolls!

Here's what I see as the real problem.
It's illegal for a kid (or anyone) to walk down the street (at least in NY) smoking pot.
Say a couple kids are walking down the street smoking a joint and a cop passes by.
They hide the joint. Tuck it, cup it, ditch it, whatever.  Because it's illegal.

Same two kids walking down the street smoking a cigarette.
Cop passes by and what do they do?  Nothing.  They keep smoking.
Why?  Because it isn't illegal.

It's illegal to sell it to them, it's illegal for them to buy it. End of list.
They can have it.  They can use it.  Doesn't matter how they got it at that point.
Just like when I was a kid.  You snitch them from their parents or wherever.
But once they have them they can smoke them completely legally.

That's the problem with this state.  Too much nannying, not enough addressing the real problem.

Not that that would stop anyone from smoking prior to 21 or 18 or whatever age though.
 
2013-04-23 09:12:33 AM
Prohibition works so well. Just look at its historical success...
 
2013-04-23 09:12:44 AM
10 F*cking dollars for a pack of cigarettes.

You know, this is only a problem if you're an idiot who smokes in the first place.
 
2013-04-23 09:17:14 AM
This is the future of government
 
2013-04-23 09:18:44 AM
I have billions so I know everything and you should do what I say because money.  Put my money in your mouth.  Taste.  mmmmmm.
 
2013-04-23 09:19:38 AM

bugontherug: Endive Wombat: WAAAAAAYYY back in the day, politicians used to hand out free booze to guarantee an election win, which subsequently is why a lot of states enacted various types of bans on the sale and consumption of alcohol on election days.

I believe they called it "swilling the mob." Election days were like big parties. GoldSpider: TofuTheAlmighty: Cigarettes are legal only because they've been grandfathered in because of their age and the power of Big Tobacco generate billions in sweet, sweet tax revenues.

FTFY.

Flaw in your thesis: marijuana and other low harm taxable drugs are illegal. So something else is at work besides revenue need.


No, it's taxes.  The cost and knowhow to produce your own smokable tobacco and drinkable alcohol is too high and too difficult for the average person, whereas growing your own weed is significantly easier.  If you can grow tomatoes, you can grow weed...it won't be the most amazing stuff in the world, but it will still do its job.  So th Feds see it as lost tax revenue... even though very few people will actually take the time to tend to their crop.
 
2013-04-23 09:19:48 AM
So, smoke pot?
 
2013-04-23 09:23:37 AM

hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


Not a free market lover then, eh?
 
2013-04-23 09:25:02 AM

Alonjar: bugontherug: Flaw in your thesis: marijuana and other low harm taxable drugs are illegal. So something else is at work besides revenue need.

Not exactly... marijuana is considered a mind altering substance.  Any time you read the actual legal jargon these things are always refered to as mind altering substances.

The argument is that marijuana changes the way you think and make decisions... and thats bad.  Even if you say "Well ive tried it and i dont see the problem", you're considered tainted... you've been inflicted with the drugs.  So your decision making about it being harmless is flawed, because you yourself were harmed by it.  Get it?


uphillwriting.org
 
2013-04-23 09:30:09 AM

id10ts: FARK Bloomberg! Fark the trolls!


Worst.  Haiku.  Ever.
 
2013-04-23 09:45:52 AM

Oliver Twisted: hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.

And what dollar value do you put on your personal freedom?


That's the funny thing about a society when you choose to live in it. There comes a point when the costs of certain personal freedoms on society become too much to bear for that society, either in economic or human costs.

At this point, it's not about personal freedom. It's about farking over everyone else for the sake of doing what you want regardless of the consequences. One of the reasons that European and certain Asian societies are able to pull of socialized medicine very well is that, in general, they tend to be healthier on average.

Case in point, tobacco related illnesses and their sequelae.

Quite frankly, I have NO Problem with you exercising your right to kill yourself in the manner of your choosing - Chain smoking, riding a motorcycle without a helmet, not wearing your seatbelt, et cetera. But, there is a caveat to that. You sign away any right you have to the societal compromise that says "Hey, we have this safety net here for accidents". So, no Medicare, No Medicaid, no Government funded treatment, etc.
 
2013-04-23 09:52:48 AM
Remember, in Bloomietown, you can't have a cig at a dive bar, but a big fat cigar at a bar that sells $60 glasses of whiskey is just fine. Can't piss off his CEO buddies, now can we.
 
2013-04-23 09:59:18 AM

Alonjar: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.

miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.

So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.


Yes.  They should have the right to drink if they choose.  Also, no one is giving out rifles that I'm aware.

I'd also add that they should have their right to purchase handguns at licensed dealers restored as well.
 
2013-04-23 10:01:56 AM

Alonjar: way south: If you're old enough to have a politician tell you who's worth killing, you're old enough to make your own decisions about whether violence is required or not.

I think thats the point though... alcohol impairs decision making ability, does it not?


So, then no one over 21 can be trusted to make any decisions since they can all access alcohol.
 
2013-04-23 10:02:52 AM

Cheron: hinten: chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.

I'm not trying, you are.

Youngest age to be convicted for murder is 11 in the US.

The youngest person to be executed in the 20th century was George Stinney, electrocuted in South Carolina at the age of 14, June 16, 1944. The last execution of a juvenile may have been Leonard Shockley, who died in the Maryland gas chamber April 10, 1959, at the age of 17.

Study it out.

Its 18 as of 2005 and as you noted has been for 55 years

/study it out


It was 16 prior to 2005 for 16 or so states and 17 for an additional 6.
 
2013-04-23 10:03:47 AM
Recon we could get the Quinn lady drunk enough to give us all a beej? And if so, should she wear a mask?
 
2013-04-23 11:01:48 AM

Marcintosh: keylock71: vudukungfu: Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.
Chances are good your heroin comes into New England via fishing boats in New Bedford and Gloucester...
Did you know that you can row out and pull lobster pots in the middle of the day and nobody says a thing about it?  Don't pull the wrong pot though, you can't afford THAT lobster.  Just put that South American Lobster right back where you found him.  Ever troll for Mexican Lobster in Lake Champlain?


Lol... I grew up around commercial fishermen. I learned from a very early age, you do not mess with someone else's lobster pots... Whether they're filled with lobsters or drugs.

In college, I used to drink at this fisherman's bar in New Bedford called the First Base Cafe. It was affectionately known as the "Free base Cafe". The one and only time I've ever seen someone stabbed was in there after one fisherman accused another of stealing lobsters out of his pots.
 
Nib
2013-04-23 11:17:19 AM
I really hope someone assassinates his ass
 
2013-04-23 11:19:54 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Recon we could get the Quinn lady drunk enough to give us all a beej? And if so, should she wear a mask?


Just because alcohol might make you act more gay, doesn't mean it makes gay people act more straight.
 
2013-04-23 11:22:29 AM

soupafi: Just make tobacco illegal.


Never going to happen, it generates way too much money for the states.
 
2013-04-23 11:23:33 AM
New York Farkers,

Seriously. Get your shiat together. He is seriously ruining your great city.

kthxbai
 
2013-04-23 11:26:02 AM

keylock71: The one and only time I've ever seen someone stabbed was in there after one fisherman accused another of stealing lobsters out of his pots.


I've heard of (more casual) lobster fishermen occasionally needing to borrow a lobster from another's pot, and leaving money or good booze behind.

Think of it like this: if you're entertaining people but you're one lobster short for dinner, grabbing a bug out of another fisherman's pot is understandable. But only as long as you're willing to pay--stealing is wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
2013-04-23 12:24:21 PM
The best thing about Queen Bloomberg is that he's shown the rest of the US just how much progressive liberals are happy to fark with people's lives. It seems to be beginning to cause a rift between progressives and normal liberals that dont give a shiat if you go into a bar and have have a damn smoke. Maybe they can team up with middle of the road republicans and start a "don't fark with my damn life" party...

Marcintosh: Because in the end, he has the better general welfare of the citizenry in mind. I know, hard to believe isn't it? He's a conservative and I'mmmm not. Still and all, good is irrefutable from any corner. Are you aware he's donated millions to public health and has a building with his name on it at NYU? So yeah, he has an interest.


I know the above is a troll (or at least I hope so), but people that follow this clown really believe it...

Anyway:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
 
2013-04-23 12:25:42 PM
I guess that I am so d*mned old that I just don't understand why young people take up smoking. All the media, all the medical stats don't seem to matter. Where I live there are several companies that will not hire smokers. (They are pharmaceutical companies and claim possible contamination.) I manage retail where the smokers(employees) will draw that last puff just before coming in the door and throw it into the street. They smell bad. Period. I had a guy with BO and told him to put on deodorant that I gave him. He thanked me. I gave the deodorant to another guy who smelled like an ash tray and he gets offended.
And nothing seems to work. I noticed on a cigarette package a stupid warning, some like "Nothing on this package conveys that it is healthy, good for you or beneficial and should not be construed that way." And there is a suggested large tax hike for cigs proposed. The smokers I know just say, "Oh, well" and continue to buy and then wonder why it is hard to meet a car payment.
So any of you Farkers that are 20ish; can you tell me why smoking is so necessary? Not being sarcastic, I would like to know. Yes, both my parents died as a result of smoking.  But I have a sister and a daughter that saw the consequences and still smoke. If you have a drunk, alcoholic father, do you have the desire to start drinking? If you have an obese mother who has diabetes and looses a foot due to poor blood circulation do you still eat like a hog at a trough?
 
2013-04-23 01:14:26 PM

Pete_T_Mann: Anyway:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."


Coming from C.S. Lewis, I find this to by hysterical.
 
2013-04-23 01:26:14 PM

Pete_T_Mann: The best thing about Queen Bloomberg is that he's shown the rest of the US just how much progressive liberals are happy to fark with people's lives. It seems to be beginning to cause a rift between progressives and normal liberals that dont give a shiat if you go into a bar and have have a damn smoke. Maybe they can team up with middle of the road republicans and start a "don't fark with my damn life" party...

Marcintosh: Because in the end, he has the better general welfare of the citizenry in mind. I know, hard to believe isn't it? He's a conservative and I'mmmm not. Still and all, good is irrefutable from any corner. Are you aware he's donated millions to public health and has a building with his name on it at NYU? So yeah, he has an interest.

I know the above is a troll (or at least I hope so), but people that follow this clown really believe it...

(sadly, so much for what you know, please see below-)
Anyway:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."


I wouldn't put much stock in Lewis there.  Lewis didn't live in an age where tobacco advertising was a multi billion dollar business.
"Tobacco companies have had particularly large budgets for their advertising campaigns. The Federal Trade Commission claimed that cigarette manufacturers spent $8.24 billion on advertising and promotion in 1999, the highest amount ever at that time. The FTC later claimed that in 2005, cigarette companies spent $13.11 billion on advertising and promotion, down from $15.12 billion in 2003, but nearly double what was spent in 1998. The increase, despite restrictions on the advertising in most countries, was an attempt at appealing to a younger audience, including multi-purchase offers and giveaways such as hats and lighters, along with the more traditional store and magazine advertising "
(citation-http://tinyurl.com/35guyd  emphasis mine)

this combined with cuts in education make individuals particularly vulnerable to advertising.

Well, here's to your Troll effort -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Philanthropy
and I apologize, I was wrong, he donated $1B US to Johns Hopkins (Not NYU) in Baltimore though if you stand in line long enough it appears  . . .
Now please, run right out and have a smoke - try not to drop dead from it.
 
2013-04-23 01:46:06 PM
Bloomberg: "Vote me out! Just vote me out! What more do I have to do to you idiots? Mandatory rectal exams?! I WANT TO RETIRE."
 
2013-04-23 02:46:53 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Coming from C.S. Lewis, I find this to by hysterical


Yep, but its still a good quote, and has been well proven as of late.

Marcintosh: I wouldn't put much stock in Lewis there. Lewis didn't live in an age where tobacco advertising was a multi billion dollar business.
"Tobacco companies have had particularly large budgets for their advertising campaigns. The Federal Trade Commission claimed that cigarette manufacturers spent $8.24 billion on advertising and promotion in 1999, the highest amount ever at that time. The FTC later claimed that in 2005, cigarette companies spent $13.11 billion on advertising and promotion, down from $15.12 billion in 2003, but nearly double what was spent in 1998. The increase, despite restrictions on the advertising in most countries, was an attempt at appealing to a younger audience, including multi-purchase offers and giveaways such as hats and lighters, along with the more traditional store and magazine advertising "


Ah, so advertising budgets are inversely proportional to freedom of choice of the people that use the product? But, yeah, you're right, they never heard heard of advertising until at least 1965, a couple years after Lewis' death. That whole Madmen show is bullsh*t. But I'm sure, had Lewis been born later, he would have said, "Please Queen Bloomberg, tell me how to live my life and what choices I should make because you know better than me! I beg you, tell me, TELL ME!"

And yeah, those donations make him a really good person, that's why he gets along with his family and all so well.... I'm sure being around him is roses every minute and unicorn riding once an hour...

Now run along and have a nice day-- just don't do anything Queen Bloomberg tells you not to! Those big sodas are dangerous! Someone like you could drown!
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-23 03:02:04 PM

computerguyUT: New York.  The douchebag state.


Since you cannot tell the difference between a city and a state, Bloomie's power is limited (thankfully) to NYC (CITY).
I live on Long Island, and he is fairly well universally hated hereabouts for being the elitist scumbag he is.

UT is no utopia either pal. Been there, hate Provo.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-23 03:06:30 PM

hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


The problem is it will not stop there, HP. You know it. Hell, just going by his track record one can see that.
He is a megalomaniac on a power-trip.
 
2013-04-23 03:08:23 PM

Endive Wombat: The cost and knowhow to produce your own smokable tobacco and drinkable alcohol is too high and too difficult for the average person, whereas growing your own weed is significantly easier.


I don't know about growing tobacco, but it seems unlikely that it's all that difficult, assuming a favorable climate... But, I know that making alcohol is extremely easy and relatively cheap... I used to brew my own beer, and I'm lazy as hell! It was completely trivial, and produced wonderful results... Yet, I eventually stopped and now just buy all my beer... Why? Because, I'm lazy as hell! And, it's just easier to pay a premium for ready-made product than bother with the trivial effort of making my own... Also, people have been making moonshine out of improvised stills quite easily for ages, so I don't think that requires a great deal of effort, skill, or money, either... If you are talking about making fine scotch or something, sure maybe that would be prohibitive for the average joe to pull off...

If you can grow tomatoes, you can grow weed...it won't be the most amazing stuff in the world, but it will still do its job.

Yes, strangely, most people still go to the store and buy their tomatoes there rather than grow their own!
 
2013-04-23 03:19:16 PM

what_now: That's incredibly stupid.

When I was in college, it was far easier to get illegal drugs than it was to get alcohol. Putting arbitrary age restrictions on things doesn't help the problem.


Sent you a link to /. concerning TSA and x-ray scanners. Wasn't sure if you were the right person though so sorry if you're not the right person. Either way, it is in your inbox. I think it was a couple of days ago, haven't seen your name on here since. Used the email listed in your profile.
 
2013-04-23 03:41:07 PM
I think this bloomberg fella figures if he keeps doing stupid little things like this nobody will notice he isn't doing anything about the real problems in NYC?

It's a good tactic just a little annoying
 
2013-04-23 04:16:30 PM
Cue right-wing Economics professors telling me that high taxes on cigs don't work, b/c it just amps up cig smuggling.
 
2013-04-23 04:17:34 PM
The ability to smoke cigarettes is NOT freedom at all! Some huge corporation has tricked people into being addicted to a substance that will slowly kill each and every one of them in a painful way.

The whistleblower Jeffrey Weigand uncovered the secrets of the tobacco corporations, and one of the biggest secrets was that they DELIBERATELY made their products as addictive as possible so people would find them extremely difficult to give up.

Smokers are all patsies in an enormous pharmaceutical experiment which turns them into nothing more than cash cows for big business. In other words, the tobacco corporations are nothing more than economic parasites which are sucking the lifeblood from our society and economy without creating anything beneficial.

Imagine a world without smoking- wonderful!
 
2013-04-23 04:21:15 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Cue right-wing Economics professors telling me that high taxes on cigs don't work, b/c it just amps up cig smuggling.


...well to be honest that's exactly what happens.
 
2013-04-23 05:05:28 PM
Old enough to die,
Old enough to buy.
 
2013-04-23 05:27:54 PM

Pete_T_Mann: HotWingConspiracy: Coming from C.S. Lewis, I find this to by hysterical

Yep, but its still a good quote, and has been well proven as of late.

Marcintosh: I wouldn't put much stock in Lewis there. Lewis didn't live in an age where tobacco advertising was a multi billion dollar business.
"Tobacco companies have had particularly large budgets for their advertising campaigns. The Federal Trade Commission claimed that cigarette manufacturers spent $8.24 billion on advertising and promotion in 1999, the highest amount ever at that time. The FTC later claimed that in 2005, cigarette companies spent $13.11 billion on advertising and promotion, down from $15.12 billion in 2003, but nearly double what was spent in 1998. The increase, despite restrictions on the advertising in most countries, was an attempt at appealing to a younger audience, including multi-purchase offers and giveaways such as hats and lighters, along with the more traditional store and magazine advertising "

Ah, so advertising budgets are inversely proportional to freedom of choice of the people that use the product? But, yeah, you're right, they never heard heard of advertising until at least 1965, a couple years after Lewis' death. That whole Madmen show is bullsh*t. But I'm sure, had Lewis been born later, he would have said, "Please Queen Bloomberg, tell me how to live my life and what choices I should make because you know better than me! I beg you, tell me, TELL ME!"

And yeah, those donations make him a really good person, that's why he gets along with his family and all so well.... I'm sure being around him is roses every minute and unicorn riding once an hour...

Now run along and have a nice day-- just don't do anything Queen Bloomberg tells you not to! Those big sodas are dangerous! Someone like you could drown!



Sorry, new policy - only one witless retort per customer - you had your shot and now you're into gainsay and sarcasm that adds nothing-   Adios
 
2013-04-23 06:43:36 PM

BumpInTheNight: BolshyGreatYarblocks: Cue right-wing Economics professors telling me that high taxes on cigs don't work, b/c it just amps up cig smuggling.

...well to be honest that's exactly what happens.


Bloomberg...you see...is a right wing free market guy....but....he's restricting cigarettes....

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-23 09:13:50 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: BumpInTheNight: BolshyGreatYarblocks: Cue right-wing Economics professors telling me that high taxes on cigs don't work, b/c it just amps up cig smuggling.

...well to be honest that's exactly what happens.

Bloomberg...you see...is a right wing free market guy....but....he's restricting cigarettes....

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x187]


Living in a world of absolutes must be awfully annoying.
 
2013-04-24 10:20:17 AM
meh, the people of the state keep voting him in.
 they get what they deserve
And I stopped giving a shiat what happens to you mopes
long ago
 
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