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(The New York Times)   King Bloomberg hates soldiers fighting for his freedom, bans them from buying cigarettes   (nytimes.com) divider line 120
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2013-04-23 07:07:00 AM
Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.
 
2013-04-23 07:27:55 AM
Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?
 
2013-04-23 07:29:31 AM
Oh f*ck that.
 
2013-04-23 07:38:48 AM
BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.
 
2013-04-23 07:40:08 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.


You forgot one:  Minimum age to be a licensed pilot:  16.
 
2013-04-23 07:44:49 AM
That's incredibly stupid.

When I was in college, it was far easier to get illegal drugs than it was to get alcohol. Putting arbitrary age restrictions on things doesn't help the problem.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:12 AM

dittybopper: miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.

Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.

Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.

Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.

Sure, that seems legit.

You forgot one:  Minimum age to be a licensed pilot:  16.


Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:18 AM
Just make tobacco illegal.
 
2013-04-23 07:48:50 AM
There should be no arbitrary age restrictions. If you're an adult at 18, you should be able to drink and smoke if you farking want too.
 
2013-04-23 07:49:22 AM
I only care about secondhand smoke if people are smoking shiatty cigarettes or dirt weed. Or crack.

Outlaw cheap shiat.
 
2013-04-23 07:49:35 AM
We have to make sure the black market for cigarettes is supported.
 
2013-04-23 07:52:08 AM

hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!


Passing laws to protect us from ourselves is bad, no matter how you rationalize it or make fun of those who oppose it.
 
2013-04-23 07:54:43 AM
Meh. Enough people run cigarettes from the south (where there are low taxes on cigarettes) to NYC for resale for this to be a non-issue for most people.
 
2013-04-23 07:55:40 AM
 
2013-04-23 07:56:04 AM
Let your strawman corpsmen buy their cigarettes at the commissary on base, then.

There are many valid arguments against this idea: "hurr support th' troops" ain't one.
 
2013-04-23 07:56:42 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to get behind the wheel of a 2 ton combustion engine machine capable of speeds over 100mp/h? 16.
Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.
Minimum age required to join the armed forces and be sent to fight (and potentially die) on foreign soil? 18.
Minimum age required to legally purchase a single drink of alcohol (and potentially, a tobacco delivery mechanism)? 21.
Sure, that seems legit.


miss diminutive: Also, minimum age to legally purchase a rifle: 18.


So you're proposing that we introduce them to alcohol binges at the same time we give them rifles and voting powers? Interesting.
 
2013-04-23 07:56:55 AM

miss diminutive: Minimum age required to cast a ballot in the democratic system which decides the future political landscape of your country? 18.


Offer only valid in Florida and Ohio.
 
2013-04-23 07:58:19 AM

hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?


18, but nice try.
 
2013-04-23 07:58:29 AM
Subby's trollin' trollin' trollin'

/rawhide
 
2013-04-23 07:58:31 AM
Dude runs a city like a frustrated high school administrator.

Which is to say, like an asswipe.

Dipfark could work on more important things, like reducing corruption in the police force, and his own administration.
Or washing the pee smells away. Plant some flowers, or put the homeless in a rehab program to kick start what is left of their lives.

Nah. He'd rather light a cuban with a C-note and piss off the balcony on the little people.

Well, I don't live there so it's not my shiathole.
But it is one.

Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.

Fix that, Bloomturd.
 
2013-04-23 07:59:40 AM
King Reagan had to resort to strong arming to enact his soldier-hating plans.
 
2013-04-23 08:00:54 AM
Michael Bloomberg can go fark himself.
 
2013-04-23 08:00:55 AM

vudukungfu: Up here in the green mountains of Vermont, we know what NYC is.
It is the place that imports our heroin.

Fix that, Bloomturd.


Why don't you just stop doing heroin?
 
2013-04-23 08:01:51 AM
This jackass has been sniffing his own farts too long if he thinks he has a chance for any office outside of New York. Those idiots love to be lorded over and ruled with an iron first like ignorant peasants. Not so much for the rest of us.
 
2013-04-23 08:02:15 AM
Shouldn't that be Herr Bloomberg?
 
2013-04-23 08:03:14 AM
Aw jeez, not this shiat again.

I don't believe that Bloomberg gets the "pursuit of happiness" part of our founding fathers' intent.

/Bookmark for future epicness
 
2013-04-23 08:03:16 AM

vudukungfu: Dipfark could work on more important things, like reducing corruption in the police force, and his own administration.


www.2brendans.com
 
2013-04-23 08:04:08 AM

Alonjar: vudukungfu: Dipfark could work on more important things, like reducing corruption in the police force, and his own administration.

[www.2brendans.com image 400x213]


wow the filter destroyed my post.  oh well, im not making it again.  enjoy the seemingly random picture.
 
Skr
2013-04-23 08:04:30 AM
Either this is going to take a huge chunk out of tax revenue... or the 18-20 year olds will do the same thing the 13-18 year olds do to get cigs.


How difficult would it be for Bloomberg's successor to nullify these kinds of things?
 
2013-04-23 08:06:24 AM
Slippery slope arguments still invalid?
 
2013-04-23 08:06:25 AM

Skr: Either this is going to take a huge chunk out of tax revenue... or the 18-20 year olds will do the same thing the 13-18 year olds do to get cigs.


How difficult would it be for Bloomberg's successor to nullify these kinds of things?


Why would they want to if NYC voters support it?
 
2013-04-23 08:06:57 AM
BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


0/10. Try harder
 
2013-04-23 08:06:59 AM
He hates us for our freedoms.
 
2013-04-23 08:08:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Why would they want to if NYC voters support it?


I think the next mayoral election will decide if NYC voters do, in fact, support his crusades.
 
2013-04-23 08:09:32 AM

hardinparamedic: *The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


Which is why smokers pay more for health and life insurance.
 
2013-04-23 08:10:06 AM
Still no minimum age to drink a bottle of drano, have at'er folks; its just a quicker means to an end without as much cost to the rest of us.
 
2013-04-23 08:10:28 AM

GoldSpider: HotWingConspiracy: Why would they want to if NYC voters support it?

I think the next mayoral election will decide if NYC voters do, in fact, support his crusades.


I think is a particularly useless measure, but it's pretty clear that the people of NYC support the smoking bans.
 
2013-04-23 08:12:09 AM
Getting sick from watching anti-smoking commercials in NYS. This will give people cancer just from watching the commercials.
Stop wasting our money, lower taxes!!!!
 
2013-04-23 08:12:13 AM

chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.


I'm not trying, you are.

Youngest age to be convicted for murder is 11 in the US.

The youngest person to be executed in the 20th century was George Stinney, electrocuted in South Carolina at the age of 14, June 16, 1944. The last execution of a juvenile may have been Leonard Shockley, who died in the Maryland gas chamber April 10, 1959, at the age of 17.

Study it out.
 
2013-04-23 08:13:53 AM
We need to support our troops as we reach out to them and send out our hearts and thoughts and thank them for their service so that those who make the ultimate sacrifice will not have died in vain.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:02 AM
hey failmitter and posters: this isn't king bloomberg.

at the press conference, he was nowhere to be seen. this is Queen Quinn's baby.

But this latest proposal, announced by Dr. Thomas A. Farley, the city's health commissioner, and Christine C. Quinn, the City Council speaker and a mayoral candidate, puts New York squarely into the middle of a debate over the rights and responsibilities of young people, and it drew much skepticism.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:19 AM
New York.  The douchebag state.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:22 AM
NYC, are you tired of this control freak yet? Those racist stop and frisks of his don't create a very flattering image of NYC, either.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:32 AM
I am OK with this.  Politicians are, after all, smarter than the rest of us, so they obviously know what is best for us.
 
2013-04-23 08:15:33 AM

GoldSpider: hardinparamedic: *The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.

Which is why smokers pay more for health and life insurance.


In terms of health insurance I remember reading that lifetime payouts for habitual smokers are on average lower than those of non-smokers because they don't live nearly as long.

Life insurance though, yeah they should pay more for that.
 
2013-04-23 08:16:12 AM

chrylis: hinten: Minimum age to be convicted and sentenced to death as an adult for murder? 14.


Land of the free, and you are surprised why?

18, but nice try.


16 has been the youngest since 1976   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_juvenile_offenders_executed_in_t h e_United_States
 
2013-04-23 08:19:01 AM

doubled99: 0/10. Try harder


Aww, it's cute. You think being outraged that 400 Billion Dollars in Medicare and Medicaid a year goes to keep a group of people alive who's disease was totally preventable is trolling.

GoldSpider: Which is why smokers pay more for health and life insurance.


Call me when they start paying more into social security and medicare taxes.
 
2013-04-23 08:19:32 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Meh. Enough people run cigarettes from the south (where there are low taxes on cigarettes) to NYC for resale for this to be a non-issue for most people.


How much do you actually have to transport to make something like that profitable?  Taking gas, vehicle wear, personal time, etc into account?  I imagine it is a lot.
 
2013-04-23 08:19:36 AM

hardinparamedic: BOO! How dare he attack PERSONAL FREEDOMS!* WHARGARBL BIG GOVERNMENT!

*The cost of treating the consequences of CV Disease, Stroke, and COPD is approximately 400 BILLION a year, conservatively, to society at large.


And what dollar value do you put on your personal freedom?
 
2013-04-23 08:19:41 AM
This isn't a bloomberg thing, its someone running for mayor.

Also, NJ already quietly raised the law to 19 a few years ago.
 
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