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(AlterNet)   Fox News' audience is dying. Literally. Grab a kleenex and a dark suit and try to at least look sad   (alternet.org) divider line 73
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2013-04-23 01:50:59 AM  
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Whoops, I...did it again ;p
 
2013-04-23 02:01:17 AM  
Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.
 
2013-04-23 07:16:22 AM  
Ailes is 72?  I think the republican die-off close solving the biggest republican problem there is. Once he goes, as long as they can put someone else in charge that isn't quite so batshiat insane they've got a real chance of becoming relavant again by 2020 or so...
 
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2013-04-23 07:45:35 AM  

This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.


Different generation.
 
2013-04-23 08:28:11 AM  
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2013-04-23 08:32:24 AM  

This About That: boob toob


"Toob"?  Pfft!  Who has a CRT TV anymore?
 
2013-04-23 08:38:19 AM  
F*ck em.
F*ck em.
F*ck em.
F*ck em.
F*CK EM.
 
2013-04-23 08:44:13 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This About That: boob toob

"Toob"?  Pfft!  Who has a CRT TV anymore?


Fox viewers do.
 
2013-04-23 08:45:03 AM  

This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.


As someone that knows far too many of these shiatheads, I concur.  These guys think they're the last stand of Real 'Murca and are even derpier and less infromed than the older generation.  And they're not using SS or Medicare yet, so they have absolutely no compunction about gutting those programs so we can lower taxes devote it to defense contractors.
 
2013-04-23 08:48:30 AM  

vpb: This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.

Different generation.


And with each iteration, the group gets smaller. In 1996, lots of fortysomethings signed on to FoxNews' philosophy. By 2016, how many of them have died, moderated, or otherwise left the Fox fold? I doubt a similar number of liberal(ish) twentysomethings from 1996 have jumped onto the derp train.

// 9/11 helped (Dennis Miller), but in the last decade, I've known more than a few to come back to reality
 
2013-04-23 08:55:59 AM  
FTA: "How can we get rid of the whack jobs who are embarrassing us, costing us Senate seats? "

Well, you could start by not putting those whack jobs in those Senate seats.
 
2013-04-23 08:58:43 AM  
On one hand, thank God, because these people are just crazy!  Whenever compromise is vilified, democracy cannot function.

On the other hand, that crowd includes my parents, and that's sad to think about.
 
2013-04-23 08:58:55 AM  

Dr Dreidel: vpb: This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.

Different generation.

And with each iteration, the group gets smaller. In 1996, lots of fortysomethings signed on to FoxNews' philosophy. By 2016, how many of them have died, moderated, or otherwise left the Fox fold? I doubt a similar number of liberal(ish) twentysomethings from 1996 have jumped onto the derp train.

// 9/11 helped (Dennis Miller), but in the last decade, I've known more than a few to come back to reality


Obviously you don't live in the South. Sure, the old white guys are dying but they've brainwashed their children, so no, I don't see the derp being reduced at all. At least not down here anytime soon.
 
2013-04-23 09:00:29 AM  
Fox News's shellshocked election night coverage, punctuated by Karl Rove's surreal meltdown upon hearing of Obama's victory in Ohio and, thus, the election, capped off a historic day of reckoning for the network and conservatives alike.

It sort of reminds me of Iraq - it seems like the biggest problem with the GOP and its propaganda machine is not that there is some Orwellian conspiracy at the top controlling everyone, but just a bunch of wishful thinking idiots that believe their own propaganda - so in the same way they wanted WMDs to be in Iraq, so therefore any suggestion their was is "fact", or someone wistfully says "they have lots of oil, they can pay for us to kill them, destroy their stuff, and pay private industry to rebuild everything", because it would be nice for them to think they can have their war and not pay for it, it becomes reality for them. Equally the idea that there was some close race (despite anyone looking at the actual state by state breakdown suggesting 90+% chance of Obama winning for almost the entire year) in 2012 became the "truth" to them and they all seemed to totally believe their own hype.
 
2013-04-23 09:01:26 AM  
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2013-04-23 09:03:01 AM  
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2013-04-23 09:05:51 AM  

bloobeary: FTA: "How can we get rid of the whack jobs who are embarrassing us, costing us Senate seats? "

Well, you could start by not putting those whack jobs in those Senate seats.


That would involve campaign finance reform, an end to Citizens United and very likely some standardization of re-districting which would neither favor or disadvantage both parties.

But other than that.....
 
2013-04-23 09:20:00 AM  

scumshine: Obviously you don't live in the South. Sure, the old white guys are dying but they've brainwashed their children, so no, I don't see the derp being reduced at all. At least not down here anytime soon.


Nah, I live in DC.

But I keep hearing/seeing news stories about how even in the South, politics are moderating between generations (TX turning purple by 2020, for example). Maybe this is too focused on social issues (like teh ghey), but it seems like there are ever-larger sections of Derpistani states that are itching to throw off the shackles their ideological leaders told them they needed.

// Southern Spring
 
2013-04-23 09:20:32 AM  

scumshine: Dr Dreidel: vpb: This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.

Different generation.

And with each iteration, the group gets smaller. In 1996, lots of fortysomethings signed on to FoxNews' philosophy. By 2016, how many of them have died, moderated, or otherwise left the Fox fold? I doubt a similar number of liberal(ish) twentysomethings from 1996 have jumped onto the derp train.

// 9/11 helped (Dennis Miller), but in the last decade, I've known more than a few to come back to reality

Obviously you don't live in the South. Sure, the old white guys are dying but they've brainwashed their children, so no, I don't see the derp being reduced at all. At least not down here anytime soon.


There are always gonna be puddles after the swamp dries up, i suggest you look into moving.
 
2013-04-23 09:22:38 AM  

This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.


Nah.  The almost old are not as staunchly conservative as the old old.

Also, the almost old is not as white and as Christian as the old old.
 
2013-04-23 09:36:30 AM  
Good.  More air for the rest of us.
 
2013-04-23 09:37:44 AM  
Welcome to the Internet, Faux News.


ain't Freedom/Democracy a biatch?
 
2013-04-23 09:41:02 AM  
Faux News

Foxhole News

Faked News

Fixed News

Fox Noise


the best Big Business Propaganda ever devised by the Mind of Man.
 
2013-04-23 09:51:45 AM  
the Hatest Generation.
 
2013-04-23 09:54:21 AM  
This has been known for a while. This is why the red states are going purple. And it's about goddamn time.
 
2013-04-23 09:55:24 AM  

FlashHarry: the Hatest Generation.


That's clever, I like that.
 
2013-04-23 09:56:12 AM  
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About time.
 
2013-04-23 09:56:38 AM  
"Then November arrived, and with it reality."

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-23 10:03:24 AM  

trotsky: This has been known for a while. This is why the red states are going purple. And it's about goddamn time.


I'd say that the red states going purple is a combination of three things: 1) old white people dying off; 2) immigration; and 3) liberal northerners relocating to the south and southwest.
 
2013-04-23 10:09:09 AM  

This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.


Exactly. People are always joking about the folks on Hoverrounds, but, locally, the most rabid FOX drones are in their late 40s through their 50s. It's a renewable resource unless we learn to talk to everyone.
 
2013-04-23 10:10:10 AM  

Doc Daneeka: I'd say that the red states going purple is a combination of three things: 1) old white people dying off; 2) immigration; and 3) liberal northerners relocating to the south and southwest.


i hope i live to see texas turn blue.
 
2013-04-23 10:13:29 AM  
FOX News! We distort, you deride!
 
2013-04-23 10:17:48 AM  

DeaH: locally, the most rabid FOX drones are in their late 40s through their 50s.


true - but they're probably a high-risk group, in danger of death from diabetes, gun-cleaning mishaps, etc.
 
2013-04-23 10:17:50 AM  
FTFA:    "And it is effective, he adds: at a recent Value Voters conference, rock-ribbed rock-headed conservatives almost involuntarily spouted parrotted the network's motto back at him when he asked them about Fox's coverage."

I like the line about Palin being the Lindsay Lohan of cable news.
 
2013-04-23 10:19:23 AM  
Fox news viewers dying off? This was the inevitable conclusion of a strategy based on angry old white men.

GOP losing national elections? This was the inevitable conclusion of the 'southern strategy' based on racism.

These strategies are very similar to that of the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor. As Admiral Yamamoto famously said, "In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

All of these strategies are short-sighted and trade early tactical victories for long range strategic defeat.
 
2013-04-23 10:33:01 AM  
I finally finished reading this. Why didn't Subby use the Obvious tag?
 
2013-04-23 10:46:16 AM  

bloobeary: FTA: "How can we get rid of the whack jobs who are embarrassing us, costing us Senate seats? "

Well, you could start by not putting those whack jobs in those Senate seats.


Well, they could START by discarding the notion of ideological purity.  The idea that everyone should conform to some standard of "conservatism" is what has driven off the northeastern Republicans and turned people like myself and weaver away from voting for them.  And a lot of that damage is permanent; even if they completely abandoned social conservatism and adopted a purely libertarian stance (i.e., don't care what happens between consenting adults, abortion is what it is, and women and minorities aren't second-class citizens), how many voters would they get back purely based on their economic and foreign policy?

Of course, their problem is how deeply integrated their social and economic platforms are with ideological rigidity and anti-intellectualism/neo-populism.
 
2013-04-23 10:50:52 AM  
Mr. Ailes, we need to talk...

a.abcnews.com
 
2013-04-23 11:10:04 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Well, they could START by discarding the notion of ideological purity.  The idea that everyone should conform to some standard of "conservatism" is what has driven off the northeastern Republicans and turned people like myself and weaver away from voting for them.  And a lot of that damage is permanent; even if they completely abandoned social conservatism and adopted a purely libertarian stance (i.e., don't care what happens between consenting adults, abortion is what it is, and women and minorities aren't second-class citizens), how many voters would they get back purely based on their economic and foreign policy?

Of course, their problem is how deeply integrated their social and economic platforms are with ideological rigidity and anti-intellectualism/neo-populism.


Yep, and their demographic is the one that traditionally got all their news through print and network TV (30 minutes daily). They're weren't used to 24/7 on air broadcasting, and the bullshat it entails.

Why Are Elderly Duped? Area in Brain Where Doubt Arises Changes With Age

They are cognitively unprepared for the likes of Fox News.

The Internet has been great for identifying how and where disinformation is used. I would like to think younger generations are less credulous because of that, but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
 
2013-04-23 11:13:22 AM  

DeaH: This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.

Exactly. People are always joking about the folks on Hoverrounds, but, locally, the most rabid FOX drones are in their late 40s through their 50s. It's a renewable resource unless we learn to talk to everyone.


Actually, not really.  Population distribution isn't constant.  Once the Baby Boomers get deep into their demographic decline (the next 8 - 20 years), the generation following it into that age group is much smaller.  Sure, their view are more moderate on average.  But even if they weren't, the population of 50 - 75 year olds will be a much smaller portion of the population in 20 years.  This will likely lead to a series of (likely inevitable) results:

1) A move to the left in political averages
2) Continued shrinking of faith-based institutions
3) Challenges for businesses to acquire and retain experienced leaders and senior technical staff
4) Rapidly expanding growth of minorities and women in the workforce

In short, expect the demographic landscape to rapidly shift as the Boomer generation moves off the right side of the curve.  They've been the shaping factor for 50 years of culture, business, and faith, but their absence is really going to change things.  For better or worse.
 
2013-04-23 11:25:53 AM  

FlashHarry: Doc Daneeka: I'd say that the red states going purple is a combination of three things: 1) old white people dying off; 2) immigration; and 3) liberal northerners relocating to the south and southwest.

i hope i live to see texas turn blue.


I'm trying as hard as I can. Bastards won't let me vote more than once at a time, tho. Cacksuckers!
 
2013-04-23 11:48:47 AM  

Linux_Yes: Faux News

Foxhole News

Faked News

Fixed News

Fox Noise

the best Big Business Propaganda ever devised by the Mind of Man.


You left out my favorite one:
False News
rhymes with 'fox' better than most.
 
2013-04-23 11:49:35 AM  

UNC_Samurai: bloobeary: FTA: "How can we get rid of the whack jobs who are embarrassing us, costing us Senate seats? "

Well, you could start by not putting those whack jobs in those Senate seats.

Well, they could START by discarding the notion of ideological purity.  The idea that everyone should conform to some standard of "conservatism" is what has driven off the northeastern Republicans and turned people like myself and weaver away from voting for them.  And a lot of that damage is permanent; even if they completely abandoned social conservatism and adopted a purely libertarian stance (i.e., don't care what happens between consenting adults, abortion is what it is, and women and minorities aren't second-class citizens), how many voters would they get back purely based on their economic and foreign policy?

Of course, their problem is how deeply integrated their social and economic platforms are with ideological rigidity and anti-intellectualism/neo-populism.


I think what we're seeing is the results of a mis-interpretation of the success of Karl Rove's strategy under Bush.  Rove convinced them that all they have to do is keep the herpa-derper base motivated, and attract a majority of independents, and they would achieve "a permanent majority".  So they started to pursue candidates that could keep the base motivated, stayed successful at the state level...and forgot about the independents.  They went so far this time as to accuse independents that voted Obama as doing so because, "They were too stupid to understand".
 
2013-04-23 11:50:34 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This About That: boob toob

"Toob"?  Pfft!  Who has a CRT TV anymore?


Embarassed Hand raising
 
2013-04-23 11:54:08 AM  
Why do people become more conservative as they get older?  My parents are now Republicans, after being Democrats most of their voting lives.

I apologize to the next generation for the bad things my future conservatism will cause.
 
2013-04-23 11:57:55 AM  

spongeboob: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: This About That: boob toob

"Toob"?  Pfft!  Who has a CRT TV anymore?

Embarassed Hand raising


I still remember the days when logging in with a VT100 while everyone else had to use a VT52 made me feel like a god.
 
2013-04-23 12:03:57 PM  

Myria: Why do people become more conservative as they get older?


www.brainhealthhacks.com
youcanstaysharp.com
 
2013-04-23 12:42:47 PM  

Dr Dreidel: vpb: This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.

Different generation.

And with each iteration, the group gets smaller. In 1996, lots of fortysomethings signed on to FoxNews' philosophy. By 2016, how many of them have died, moderated, or otherwise left the Fox fold? I doubt a similar number of liberal(ish) twentysomethings from 1996 have jumped onto the derp train.

// 9/11 helped (Dennis Miller), but in the last decade, I've known more than a few to come back to reality


It's actually kind of hard to say. 20 years ago, young Republicans were much more moderate - when asked about social issues, you heard a lot of them say things like "Well, I'm more of a FISCAL conservative..." and they lacked ideological absolutism.

These twenty-somethings are now in their forties, and there have been three directions for them: they either turned into pseudo-intellectual Randites like Rand Paul and Paul Ryan, became know-nothing unteachables like Sarah Palin, or abandoned the party altogether. The ones who abandoned the party to avoid the cray-cray probably won't vote red as long as the Democrats hold the center. The know-nothings ensure the center will always run screaming from their policy proposals, in part due to a thorough lack of understanding of the nature of the Internet, and the fact that when some state senator from shiatsplat, Virginia says that oil exists because Jesus and women have teeth in their vaginas, the story goes viral. The pseudo-intellectuals will always have difficulty with the fact that their proposals seem to involve cooking and eating the children of the poor and putting Grandma on the ice floe when she turns 62.

The point is, striving for ideological purity in the face of a mass die-off of your political base isn't going to help win elections. The Republicans can't seem to understand that after you lose an election is no time for a political cull. It's time to embiggen the tent, and the way to do that is to abandon wedge issues. I think we've see the last national election where gay rights are used to get Republicans to the polls. When conservatives said, "If you change your position on abortion and gay rights, we'll leave the party," the appropriate response should have been, "Well, bye." Go form the Dixiepublicans and see how that sells.
 
2013-04-23 12:58:31 PM  
#3 on my list.
 
2013-04-23 01:14:45 PM  

scumshine: Dr Dreidel: vpb: This About That: Fox News' audience of old white guys may all be in the process of dying off, but there are plenty more almost-old white guys coming behind them. Personally, I am able nowadays to just change the channel when encountering Fox News instead of throwing a brick at the boob toob.

Different generation.

And with each iteration, the group gets smaller. In 1996, lots of fortysomethings signed on to FoxNews' philosophy. By 2016, how many of them have died, moderated, or otherwise left the Fox fold? I doubt a similar number of liberal(ish) twentysomethings from 1996 have jumped onto the derp train.

// 9/11 helped (Dennis Miller), but in the last decade, I've known more than a few to come back to reality

Obviously you don't live in the South. Sure, the old white guys are dying but they've brainwashed their children, so no, I don't see the derp being reduced at all. At least not down here anytime soon.


Not so fast. I know that I may be in a bubble so to speak, but down here in Louisiana, the generation gap is quite evident. A few of my cousins cling to the openly racists idiology of my ancestors,  but by and large, my family's younger generations are educated, articulate, and good at critical thinking.

The colleges here (LSU, Tulane, UNO, SUNO) are quite progressive, full of progressive southerners. The younger generation is exposed to the internet, and to multi-ethnic social circles, from a very early age, so the blind ignorance and hatred has something to compare against. It's no longer a bubble of hyper-ignorance, mainly due to public education and the internet (in my opinion/observation). The walls of the echo chamber are now not so tough to break down.

Hell, the very parents that had me convinced that GWB was a fantastic president voted for Obama last election, because my brothers and I convinced them, intellectually, that it was clearly the better choice over mccain/moneybags
 
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