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2013-04-22 05:31:20 PM  
Ahhh... poor babies. I has a tear.


Nope, that was allergies.
 
2013-04-22 07:58:11 PM  
i.imgur.com
B-O-O, H-O-O.
 
2013-04-22 08:38:30 PM  
www.internationaljock.com
/HA HA!
 
2013-04-22 08:40:03 PM  
Cry me a farking river.
 
2013-04-22 08:46:21 PM  
The poor dears!
 
2013-04-22 08:55:25 PM  
Maybe it's just where I grew up, but it was really only the male athletes that got the "Big dumb jock" stereotype. The females that were into tennis, and basketball and volleyball and so forth never really came off as stone stupid as the males did.
 
2013-04-22 08:59:11 PM  
I bet airborne rangers don't have to put up with this shiat.
 
2013-04-22 08:59:31 PM  
We like geek stuff, too.

There I finally said it.
 
2013-04-22 09:00:05 PM  
When I was in school there was some pressure on the money-sport athletes to take softer classes, but that was more a time management thing than a "you're too stupid to take real classes" thing. The coaches didn't want school to interfere too much with the kids' full-time-plus jobs.
 
2013-04-22 09:00:52 PM  
Maybe I should been more sympathetic when they were harassing me.  Poor babies.
 
2013-04-22 09:04:58 PM  
Who ever would have guessed that big, dumb jocks were victims of stereotyping?
 
2013-04-22 09:06:09 PM  
In my high school, most of the jocks were actually pretty cool guys.  I was friends with several of them.  Yeah, there were a few douchebags, but most of the guys who played football/basketball/baseball/wrestling were pretty down-to-earth and fun to hang with.
 
2013-04-22 09:07:01 PM  
Stereotypes come from someplace...

Stereotype song.
 
2013-04-22 09:12:18 PM  
CRY ME THE farkING NILE.
 
2013-04-22 09:14:47 PM  

jocks are themselves victims of stereotyping and discrimination


Well... They do wear tights.
 
2013-04-22 09:17:56 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: jocks are themselves victims of stereotyping and discrimination


Well... They do wear tights.


They're not tights, they wear the required uniform!
 
2013-04-22 09:18:04 PM  
Serious question....I'll preface this by saying i probably went to a school not like most of the people on fark.  My school was 50% white 45% black and 5% "other' races and this was in small town in the deep south.  I mention this because my school was definitely not some wealthy elite school.  It had decent academics for our economic situation but no one would confuse this school as being elite in academics.

Did these 80s movie stereotypes honestly exist in real life?  Out of the top 10 athletes in my school I would only classify two of them as dumb.  One was incredibly dumb and got kicked out of college for failing too many drug tests.  The other eight athletes ended up being a doctor, a few engineers, and a couple of guys that got recruited by some ivy league schools and then a few teachers.  Definitely not dummies.  Its not like we sucked at sports either because my senior year we won a state championship in basketball.  Until joining fark I always thought those cliches were just that...cliches.  Even our "popular" girls were different...our homecoming queen was/is a Dr. Who/Highlander/X-files (this was in the 90s) type girl.

Did anyone else go to a school that did not follow the typical cliches or did I just go to bizaro-school?
 
2013-04-22 09:20:27 PM  
What amazed me is that the jock thing only gets worse at college.
 
2013-04-22 09:32:39 PM  
At my high school, the majority of the football team were in AP classes or higher sciences/maths and most played DnD.  One of the football players, a lineman, was nicknamed Minsc by the other football players.  Minsc from Baldur's Gate.
 
2013-04-22 09:42:04 PM  
In other words, every clique gets saddled with a negative preconceived perception from at least two other cliques?  High school is still at times one of the most ruthless and primal social spheres on the planet?  Like that's ever going to change.
 
2013-04-22 09:42:50 PM  

Zimmy: At my high school, the majority of the football team were in AP classes or higher sciences/maths and most played DnD.  One of the football players, a lineman, was nicknamed Minsc by the other football players.  Minsc from Baldur's Gate.


Okay that is all kinds of awesome.

/Fun fact: Minsc's voice actor is also Winnie the Pooh.
//I am not making this up.
 
2013-04-22 09:45:14 PM  
As someone who regularly got beat up by the jocks in high school, I'd say it depends on the school.  The more focus the school puts on athletics/the more coddled the athletes are (ie, the same "can do no wrong" attitude that got them out of the multiple bruises/nosebleeds they gave me and other students), the more likely they are to not pay particular attention to classes and the more likely teachers will be pressured to pass the jocks because "We've got a #1 wrestling team this year and we are not doing ANYTHING to jeopardize that".

/Small HS in rural IA
// I hope the guys who made my HS a living hell GDIAF
///Sexual harassment, physical injuries, and endless name-calling and yet I was the one who got in trouble for reporting it to the principal.
 
2013-04-22 09:46:22 PM  
Subby's intensity is for shiat! Win. Win! WIN!!!
 
2013-04-22 09:51:28 PM  
I find it hard to symathize with them, and it's a difficult thing to admit that such evils also happen to people one does not sympathize with. But it's true all the same, and I'm no more immune than anyone else.
 
2013-04-22 09:55:31 PM  
Farking researchers. 
Time to duct tape their ass-crack shut and by all these whiny jocks a carton of Pall Mall's for Christmas.

/was it Pall Mall's?
 
2013-04-22 09:59:18 PM  

bionicjoe: Farking researchers. 
Time to duct tape their ass-crack shut and by all these whiny jocks a carton of Pall Mall's for Christmas.

/was it Pall Mall's?


Nope, no brand mentioned, just "A carton of cigarettes."
 
2013-04-22 10:07:47 PM  
Yeah, those poor popular guys for whom high-school was not a living hell.

Even if they weren't the ones making my adolescent years suck they still got to play the same game on easy mode.

/Also, I have no problem stereotyping people who go out of their way to fit a stereotype.
 
2013-04-22 10:17:35 PM  

ParanoidAgnostic: Yeah, those poor popular guys for whom high-school was not a living hell.

Even if they weren't the ones making my adolescent years suck they still got to play the same game on easy mode.


Then they graduate and realize that their best years are behind them and absolutely no one gives a fark about what they used to do in high school. They peaked before most nerds even hit the log phase of their success.
 
2013-04-22 10:19:14 PM  
See, and in my high school the jocks were pretty much indistinguishable from the "special ed" kids. The only difference is they wore those green letter jackets and not drool bibs.

This is not to say ALL athletes/jocks are rock stupid, but sometimes they are.

At least they never really bullied me. Of course, I was bigger than most of them and they wanted me to play football too. So maybe I got a "get out of bullying free" care by being likely to fight back. I dunno.
 
2013-04-22 10:21:54 PM  

Marine1: What amazed me is that the jock thing only gets worse at college.


www.yardbird.com
 
2013-04-22 10:23:04 PM  

IgG4: Then they graduate and realize that their best years are behind them and absolutely no one gives a fark about what they used to do in high school. They peaked before most nerds even hit the log phase of their success.


And this is unfair to them how?
 
2013-04-22 10:26:46 PM  

MaxSupernova: Serious question....I'll preface this by saying i probably went to a school not like most of the people on fark.  My school was 50% white 45% black and 5% "other' races and this was in small town in the deep south.  I mention this because my school was definitely not some wealthy elite school.  It had decent academics for our economic situation but no one would confuse this school as being elite in academics.

Did these 80s movie stereotypes honestly exist in real life?  Out of the top 10 athletes in my school I would only classify two of them as dumb.  One was incredibly dumb and got kicked out of college for failing too many drug tests.  The other eight athletes ended up being a doctor, a few engineers, and a couple of guys that got recruited by some ivy league schools and then a few teachers.  Definitely not dummies.  Its not like we sucked at sports either because my senior year we won a state championship in basketball.  Until joining fark I always thought those cliches were just that...cliches.  Even our "popular" girls were different...our homecoming queen was/is a Dr. Who/Highlander/X-files (this was in the 90s) type girl.

Did anyone else go to a school that did not follow the typical cliches or did I just go to bizaro-school?


mind wasn't like that but it definitely didn't look like anything on tv or in films.

All the little cliques were blurred and there wasn't any fighting or hilarious hi-jinks between them. While our jocks were dumb I can't recall seeing one of them bully anyone. We had a few gangbanger types that bullied kids but it was random and they tended to be dealt with rather quickly.
 
2013-04-22 10:27:00 PM  
I like how on fark being racist or sexist will get obvious call outs, but being anti-jock is just dandy. The jocks had the same problems as you did, you just never saw them, since you weren't friends. You felt awkward and put upon? So did they. You think they got a pass for being good at sports, they think you got a pass for being suck ass nerds.

You're both wrong.

/HS starting DE
/HS Debate/Mock Trial Club
 
2013-04-22 10:27:05 PM  
Yeah my heart bleeds just like when some fat old cracker bigot whines about 'reverse racism'.
 
2013-04-22 10:30:09 PM  

buffalosoldier: I like how on fark being racist or sexist will get obvious call outs, but being anti-jock is just dandy. The jocks had the same problems as you did, you just never saw them, since you weren't friends. You felt awkward and put upon? So did they. You think they got a pass for being good at sports, they think you got a pass for being suck ass nerds.

You're both wrong.

/HS starting DE
/HS Debate/Mock Trial Club


Female and black are not lifestyle choices. Jock is. What's wrong with judging people for their choices?
 
2013-04-22 10:33:18 PM  

buffalosoldier: but being anti-jock is just dandy


See, "athlete" is a job. "Jock" is a mentality. And I'm guessing you had the sense to separate yourself from the job. "This is what I do. It's not who I am." You were an athlete, but not a jock.

But if some jerkbag locker-stuffing troglodyte suddenly feels like  he's the one being put upon? Good.
 
2013-04-22 10:35:20 PM  
Given, perhaps a better comparison would be to anti-religious (specific or religion in general) bigotry.
 
2013-04-22 10:37:42 PM  

buffalosoldier: I like how on fark being racist or sexist will get obvious call outs, but being anti-jock is just dandy. The jocks had the same problems as you did, you just never saw them, since you weren't friends. You felt awkward and put upon? So did they. You think they got a pass for being good at sports, they think you got a pass for being suck ass nerds.

You're both wrong.

/HS starting DE
/HS Debate/Mock Trial Club


 Yeah, I'm sure they had some similar issues with parents, girls, worrying about failure and whatnot like everyone else in high school, except there weren't other students exacerbating their problems by beating on them, relentless bullying, and constantly putting them down.

False equivalence is false.
 
2013-04-22 10:39:40 PM  
GreenAdder:

But that isn't what makes a jock. A jock is a kid who focused on sports. While the populations of bullies and of student athletes has some overlap, it isn't 1 for 1. I also notice that it is certain sports that draw the heat more than others.... I haven't heard anyone badmouthing cross-country.

Is it jealousy for the lives that non jocks THINK jocks led? I don't get it.
 
2013-04-22 10:40:08 PM  

buffalosoldier: Given, perhaps a better comparison would be to anti-religious (specific or religion in general) bigotry.


And nobody is ever anti-religion on Fark
 
2013-04-22 10:40:50 PM  

buffalosoldier: I haven't heard anyone badmouthing cross-country.


Football players did all the time. "Play a  real sport."
 
2013-04-22 10:41:03 PM  
Dingleberry Dickwad:

You sure? How would you have known? Skewed perspective is skewed.
 
2013-04-22 10:41:39 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Englebert Slaptyback: jocks are themselves victims of stereotyping and discrimination


Well... They do wear tights.

They're not tights, they wear the required uniform!


Tights.
 
2013-04-22 10:43:07 PM  

buffalosoldier: Dingleberry Dickwad:

You sure? How would you have known? Skewed perspective is skewed.


Uh huh, and how many fellow students did you see picking on jocks or beating them up or berating them in front of large groups of classmates? Try again bub.
 
2013-04-22 10:43:25 PM  

ParanoidAgnostic: buffalosoldier: Given, perhaps a better comparison would be to anti-religious (specific or religion in general) bigotry.

And nobody is ever anti-religion on Fark


and they are called out for their senseless bigotry by the rational farkers.

GreenAdder:

What is it about football that really gets the hate? Is it that in general they were larger guys? Lemme ask, if there was no football program in your HS, would those kids magically have been saints, or still douchers?
 
2013-04-22 10:44:32 PM  

buffalosoldier: .

Is it jealousy for the lives that non jocks THINK jocks led? I don't get it.


Nope. Never wanted to be them. Just resent the social structure they were at the top of.

High school seems to be a lot like prison. It's the other inmates who make it more unpleasant than it needs to be.
 
2013-04-22 10:45:04 PM  

GreenAdder: IgG4: Then they graduate and realize that their best years are behind them and absolutely no one gives a fark about what they used to do in high school. They peaked before most nerds even hit the log phase of their success.

And this is unfair to them how?


It's not. When you are in high school, it seems like that is your entire life, most high schoolers are so incredibly short sighted that they make life changing decisions, when in fact they are still in kind of a larval stage, kind of proto-humans. Some choose at this stage to be jocks, kings of the larvae, even though it truncates their potential dramatically. Others suicide because they can't see that in just a few short years they will be the ones on top. 10 or 20 years on it just seems so farking stupid.
 
2013-04-22 10:45:25 PM  
Dingleberry Dickwad:

Plenty? between different sports, different squads (JV vs Varsity), not to mention gangs?

Is your complaint that they didnt take beatings or that they didn't take public enough beatings for you?
 
2013-04-22 10:46:05 PM  

buffalosoldier: What is it about football that really gets the hate? Is it that in general they were larger guys? Lemme ask, if there was no football program in your HS, would those kids magically have been saints, or still douchers?


They probably still would have been meatheads. But at least they wouldn't have been meatheads with systemic impunity. That's the thing that pretty much has the anti-jock people raising pitchforks right now. You've got a bunch of teenage kids who are bigger than everyone else,  plus they know they can get away with anything. After all, you can't suspend your linebacker before the big game, right?

These things happened at my high school and several others. Student-athletes were treated as a higher class of people, they knew it, and they took advantage of it at every opportunity.
 
2013-04-22 10:47:52 PM  

IgG4: GreenAdder: IgG4: Then they graduate and realize that their best years are behind them and absolutely no one gives a fark about what they used to do in high school. They peaked before most nerds even hit the log phase of their success.

And this is unfair to them how?

It's not. When you are in high school, it seems like that is your entire life, most high schoolers are so incredibly short sighted that they make life changing decisions, when in fact they are still in kind of a larval stage, kind of proto-humans. Some choose at this stage to be jocks, kings of the larvae, even though it truncates their potential dramatically. Others suicide because they can't see that in just a few short years they will be the ones on top. 10 or 20 years on it just seems so farking stupid.


It really doesn't though. Plenty of jocks go on to have great successful and satisfying lives, the trope that they peak in high school isn't really born out. The things you learn in sports (working as a team, discipline etc..) help you forever.
 
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