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2013-04-22 04:45:23 PM
12 votes:

scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.


...but enough about the NRA.
2013-04-22 08:51:14 PM
9 votes:
Even if the Dzhoker gets freed, I'm sure the Dzhustice League will recapture him.
2013-04-22 09:10:33 PM
8 votes:
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev - the world's worst Scrabble hand....
2013-04-22 04:58:20 PM
7 votes:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
2013-04-22 09:57:39 PM
6 votes:
Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!
2013-04-22 09:41:22 PM
6 votes:

nickerj1: A more hilarious read from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/

Apparently the US state dept has a Terrorist Trolling Dept.   Ya know, to crush the will of the young terrorists online so they don't actually go try to make bombs and shiat.


Did they hire Stephenie Meyer?

imgs.xkcd.com
2013-04-22 08:50:05 PM
6 votes:
i858.photobucket.com
Free JarJar
2013-04-22 09:07:14 PM
5 votes:
What a free Jaffa might look like i.imgur.com
2013-04-22 05:21:23 PM
5 votes:

JerseyTim: I'd rather free Jafar.


www.clubjosh.com

Nevar forget.
2013-04-22 04:43:59 PM
5 votes:
Some people just like to be on no fly lists........
2013-04-22 09:16:52 PM
4 votes:
2.bp.blogspot.com

"I tell you, Satan's gonna have no trouble taking over here 'cause all the women are gonna say: 'What a cute butt.' 'He's Satan!' 'You don't know him like I do.' 'He's the Prince of Darkness!' 'I can change him.'"
2013-04-22 08:01:57 PM
4 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.


He'll, that's barely even a Tuesday for me.
2013-04-22 07:57:40 PM
4 votes:
What in the chocolate covered f*ck?
2013-04-23 08:17:43 AM
3 votes:

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


[buelahman.files.wordpress.com image 720x960]


makes you wonder why basement-dwelling internet pieces of shiat are incapable of facial recognition, yeah
2013-04-23 04:53:45 AM
3 votes:
www.tshirthell.com
2013-04-22 10:22:37 PM
3 votes:
Step 1: Find someone with Photoshop skills
Step 2: Substitute head of 'Che Guevara' with 'Dzhokhar Tsarnaev'
Step 3: Create T-shirts
Step 4: Sell to hipsters and islamic terrorists
Step 5: Profit
Step 6: Live amazing life yet feel like a sell out for taking advantage of morons who think a man who put a bomb next to bunch of children and murdered an 8-yr old then followed it up with a killing and bombing spree is innocent.
Step 7: Die
Step 8: Go to Hell
2013-04-22 08:30:27 PM
3 votes:
i159.photobucket.com
2013-04-22 08:08:58 PM
3 votes:
Yeah, the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, rules!

Oh wait, I thought that was a weapon in the GoldenEye X-Box game. You're talking about the bomber guy, yeah he sucks. Nevermind.
2013-04-22 04:44:58 PM
3 votes:
I'd rather free Jafar.
2013-04-23 02:12:20 AM
2 votes:
Ah, fellow travelers with fascism; can't live with them, can't crush their skulls with a rock.
2013-04-23 12:48:17 AM
2 votes:

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x383]


THEN WHO WAS BAG?
2013-04-23 12:24:20 AM
2 votes:

jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?


They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.
2013-04-22 11:15:15 PM
2 votes:
They must be dzhoking.
2013-04-22 10:41:59 PM
2 votes:
Here's the spot his brother died.
2013-04-22 10:16:27 PM
2 votes:
So this is what Ben Franklin meant when he coined the term "totes cray-cray".
2013-04-22 10:08:52 PM
2 votes:
d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
2013-04-22 09:28:53 PM
2 votes:
shiathead is an expert on severe trauma to the human body but spells "lose" with two 'o's...
2013-04-22 09:27:07 PM
2 votes:
2013-04-22 09:21:52 PM
2 votes:

KimNorth: What I find even more disturbing is the seemingly media's wiliness to go lock and step with what they are told they can and can't report. Why nothing about the Saudi national that was originally taken into custody? Why have we not heard how he was quietly deported for terrorist activities and how his wealthy family called favors to get him home and special treatment? How John Kerry's office put it together?


...aaaand now we know you listen to Glenn Beck.
2013-04-22 09:18:57 PM
2 votes:
What I find even more disturbing is the seemingly media's wiliness to go lock and step with what they are told they can and can't report. Why nothing about the Saudi national that was originally taken into custody? Why have we not heard how he was quietly deported for terrorist activities and how his wealthy family called favors to get him home and special treatment? How John Kerry's office put it together?
2013-04-22 09:16:54 PM
2 votes:
#freejahar?


i483.photobucket.com
2013-04-22 09:06:54 PM
2 votes:
...a tinted photo of Tsarnaev declaring his innocence; disbelievers "are NASA, GOVERMENT , CSI, NSI, ARMY etc. It is those who is dealing with satan."

i.imgur.com
CSI isn't even real, you numbwits.

And I guess ARMY is an acronym too, huh?

Jesus Tittyfarking Dog Eating Christ on a Pogo Stik.
2013-04-22 09:05:40 PM
2 votes:
If he was guilty, there'd be evidence by now!"

uh UH.. I see.

So, the corollary to which would be, "If you're NOT guilty, don't run from the cops like a lunatic and hole up in basements near the ass end of the crime wave you're being arrested for"?

This guy doesn't need an attorney, he needs a sh*tproof  paddle.
2013-04-22 09:04:52 PM
2 votes:
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

FREE JEMIMA!
2013-04-22 08:52:30 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.


He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.
2013-04-22 08:49:07 PM
2 votes:
I ain't what you call a smart man so let this picture speak for me.

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-22 08:45:09 PM
2 votes:
Jahar, Jahar, he's our man.  If he can't do it,  GREAT!

\first thing that came to mind, TBH
\\also, any group that can't be bothered to spell its hero's name right is obviously a crappy group
2013-04-22 08:22:30 PM
2 votes:
Isn't this basically the premise of that show Kevin Bacon is on right now?
2013-04-22 08:04:34 PM
2 votes:

dr_blasto: AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.

He'll, that's barely even a Tuesday for me.


You can tell from my well-placed apostrophes that I'm as innocent as they come, thus my reliance on autocorrect.
2013-04-22 04:39:40 PM
2 votes:
This just in: Some people are assholes.
2013-04-22 04:38:33 PM
2 votes:
#f*ckthosepeople
2013-04-23 04:56:50 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-23 08:52:09 AM
1 votes:

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left.


Ironically, international radical Islam got its biggest post-WW2 boost because of Eisenhower.
2013-04-23 08:39:43 AM
1 votes:

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.


i0.kym-cdn.com
2013-04-23 05:13:31 AM
1 votes:

wasteofspace: doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.

Someone once said "If we all woke up one morning, same color, same religion, same creed, by lunchtime we would figure out new ways to hate each other."


We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers.  Sinister bunch.

/literally
2013-04-23 03:53:12 AM
1 votes:
I wonder how many marriage proposals he's gotten already...
2013-04-23 12:27:29 AM
1 votes:
img842.imageshack.us
FREE JABBA!!!!


\damn oversized images
2013-04-22 11:45:55 PM
1 votes:
alex jones is a false flag
2013-04-22 11:27:22 PM
1 votes:
He's cute and young. And looks like a cross between a baby Bob Dylan and a puppy. In a boy band, he would be the pretty one. So, this happening is no surprise to me.

If was 58 and looked like shaved scrotum, his "fanbase" would barely be a blip.

You could have a photo of this kid holding up a sign saying "I did it!" With him standing over the victims, pointing and laughing and people would still claim he is innocent because, again, he "doesn't look the type." That and other people will believe that the government is behind everything bad that happens to the country. Whether it's a bombing or the soda machine swallowing up your change.

/and if you think twitter is bad, stay off of tumblr
//he's got fangirls AND fanboys by the bucket full
2013-04-22 11:16:24 PM
1 votes:
Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.
2013-04-22 10:58:47 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.

Two of these are not the same as the third.

Do tell.


Two involved aeronautics.
Two involved killing people.
Two involved Texas.

Still not sure which he's talking about, though.
2013-04-22 10:54:34 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.

Two of these are not the same as the third.


Yup.  The moon landing was an inside job.  The government was behind the whole thing.
2013-04-22 10:52:20 PM
1 votes:

indylaw: I really wish that stupid killed sperm.


If that were possible men everywhere would be taking stupid pills so that they could say they didn't have to wear a condom.
2013-04-22 10:50:54 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


You sold me. Those grainy, far away shots are conclusive proof the guy was set up.

/I was also convinced by a small fire set within a chicken wire "building"
2013-04-22 10:49:12 PM
1 votes:
I really wish that stupid killed sperm.
2013-04-22 10:29:36 PM
1 votes:
                                         i812.photobucket.com
2013-04-22 10:25:49 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


yes, a great deal. Insurmountable, even.
2013-04-22 10:19:11 PM
1 votes:
I wonder if people are just mistaking him for Sanjaya...
2013-04-22 10:13:05 PM
1 votes:
viceland.com

FREE JAFFEE!
2013-04-22 10:04:23 PM
1 votes:
Are they calling themselves...

JAHAR-HEADS?
2013-04-22 10:02:01 PM
1 votes:

Leet Jesus: hubiestubert: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

I think he might mean the folks who want to see him actually be tried. Apparently wanting to see justice done and served is "defending" him.
You know, as opposed to defending our legal system, and having faith in our judicial system, and the Constitution. I can see how some folks might equate that with "defending him" as opposed to simply shooting him in the face after several hours of strapping his 'nads to a car battery.
They seem to forget wee things like justice and law when they get scared. It sort of shows their cowardice, but that's not all that surprising.
[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 300x300]

"In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy that territory first."

- That is FALSE.  Taking the moral high ground includes the act of seizing it from neutral territory.  One does not need to have it prior to taking it.

/You are worse than Hitler.
//Make that two Hitlers.


To take the moral high ground, you must first kill the people who are occupying it to begin with, rape their women, and swing their children by their feet and smash their brains out on lampposts.
2013-04-22 09:59:08 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

I think he might mean the folks who want to see him actually be tried. Apparently wanting to see justice done and served is "defending" him.
You know, as opposed to defending our legal system, and having faith in our judicial system, and the Constitution. I can see how some folks might equate that with "defending him" as opposed to simply shooting him in the face after several hours of strapping his 'nads to a car battery.
They seem to forget wee things like justice and law when they get scared. It sort of shows their cowardice, but that's not all that surprising.
[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 300x300]


"In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy that territory first."

- That is FALSE.  Taking the moral high ground includes the act of seizing it from neutral territory.  One does not need to have it prior to taking it.

/You are worse than Hitler.
//Make that two Hitlers.
2013-04-22 09:59:02 PM
1 votes:

luxup: Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!


No, they aren't every happy. They are just some of the happys.
2013-04-22 09:56:07 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: Well, his two buddies won't be enjoying tooling around in their BMW with "Terrorista #1" on the front plate any more... they are getting deported.


You sound really well-informed.

Cuz terrorists always publicly display the word "terrorist" on the belongings.

Be on the lookout in your neighborhood. They wear turbans and they carry cannonball-type bombs with lit fuses.
2013-04-22 09:48:05 PM
1 votes:

ParallelUniverseParking: #freejahar?


I farking love Tool! What do I win?!?!

Oh....OH...okay, I get it.
2013-04-22 09:47:40 PM
1 votes:
Internet dentist-like typing detected.
2013-04-22 09:40:23 PM
1 votes:

bunner: Hector Remarkable: Hating on America? When did this start?

About an hour and a half after we told the English we weren't going to send them any more turpentine or pine tar.


Well we never should have done that. A man needs him his pine tar. Still, you can't let the King of England just walk in the door and start pushing you around. That's not what you want, is it? For the King of England to just come in and start pushing you around?
2013-04-22 09:35:54 PM
1 votes:
If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups.
2013-04-22 09:29:57 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe the liberals are starting to back this guy - starting to make this guy a cause - just unreal to me - hope they reason

study it out, come up with something better.

If you're going to troll, learn the lingo, n00b
2013-04-22 09:25:14 PM
1 votes:
A more hilarious read from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/

Apparently the US state dept has a Terrorist Trolling Dept.   Ya know, to crush the will of the young terrorists online so they don't actually go try to make bombs and shiat.
2013-04-22 09:22:31 PM
1 votes:
The Lynch mob mentality on display in Fark is pretty sickening. By all means, if the guy is found guilty of the crimes he has been accused of, then he should be punished accordingly.
What, are you all posting from Buttfark Alabama?
2013-04-22 09:20:13 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-04-22 09:09:58 PM
1 votes:
Meh.  Richard Ramirez raped and killed 13 women and still found some woman to marry him in prison.  I wouldn't put too much thought into this.
2013-04-22 09:07:52 PM
1 votes:
Good thing the terrorists haven't got us barking sh*t at each other instead of calmly reviewing the facts through discourse.
2013-04-22 09:05:57 PM
1 votes:
He's innocent.  He killed nobody.  The bombs he planted and bullets he fired and SUV tires he rode on, those were the real murderers.
2013-04-22 09:04:12 PM
1 votes:

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.


0/10  Just a pathetic effort
2013-04-22 09:03:18 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.

...but enough about the NRA.


Aaaaaand another as**ole is heard from.
Fark you and your hate.

Besides you prove what I came here to post:
'Stupid people believe stupid things'.
2013-04-22 08:58:17 PM
1 votes:

Frozboz: I can totally see that doucebag's face on T-Shirts 10 years from now.


Douce!
2013-04-22 08:57:31 PM
1 votes:
This thread will be epic if you wish to enlarge your ignore list.
2013-04-22 08:56:28 PM
1 votes:
1.  Convince Twitter and Instagram to embed GPS data on posts.
2.  Write software that feeds the GPS from #FreeJahar tags directly to Mr. Reaper Drone
3.  Profit, at least someone sues you over the constitutionality of this.
2013-04-22 08:56:17 PM
1 votes:
FTFA:

i0.kym-cdn.com

#FreeJahar
2013-04-22 08:53:02 PM
1 votes:
I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.
2013-04-22 08:50:28 PM
1 votes:
FREEBIRD
2013-04-22 08:31:48 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: This just in: Some people are assholes.


Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.



yes, some people certainly are.
2013-04-22 08:13:02 PM
1 votes:
Good. Rambunctious public debate is a sign of a healthy and functioning democracy.
2013-04-22 07:14:51 PM
1 votes:
Don't these people know they will be the first ones the Obamanation will round up into the FEMA camps?
2013-04-22 04:57:35 PM
1 votes:
Thanks a lot, Alex Jones, you farking human garbage pile
2013-04-22 04:50:33 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Morons, all of them!

But this is unsurprising news. This shiat happens every time. The Aurora shooter had supporters. The Newtown guy had supporters.

And it's not that all these crazy people actually support the murderers (although some are farked up enough to), they just hate the government so much that anything terrible that happens must be the government's fault.


The freaks white knighting Mr Koresh in the latest Branch Davidian thread would like to disagree with you. But they can't.
 
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