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2013-04-22 04:31:55 PM  
That will require a thicker tin foil hat to digest...
 
2013-04-22 04:38:33 PM  
#f*ckthosepeople
 
2013-04-22 04:39:40 PM  
This just in: Some people are assholes.
 
2013-04-22 04:43:00 PM  
Morons, all of them!

But this is unsurprising news. This shiat happens every time. The Aurora shooter had supporters. The Newtown guy had supporters.

And it's not that all these crazy people actually support the murderers (although some are farked up enough to), they just hate the government so much that anything terrible that happens must be the government's fault.
 
2013-04-22 04:43:59 PM  
Some people just like to be on no fly lists........
 
2013-04-22 04:44:11 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Morons, all of them!

But this is unsurprising news. This shiat happens every time. The Aurora shooter had supporters. The Newtown guy had supporters.

And it's not that all these crazy people actually support the murderers (although some are farked up enough to), they just hate the government so much that anything terrible that happens must be the government's fault.


Or they could just be Fark trolls

/it's really hard to tell these days
 
2013-04-22 04:44:58 PM  
I'd rather free Jafar.
 
2013-04-22 04:45:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.


...but enough about the NRA.
 
2013-04-22 04:50:33 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Morons, all of them!

But this is unsurprising news. This shiat happens every time. The Aurora shooter had supporters. The Newtown guy had supporters.

And it's not that all these crazy people actually support the murderers (although some are farked up enough to), they just hate the government so much that anything terrible that happens must be the government's fault.


The freaks white knighting Mr Koresh in the latest Branch Davidian thread would like to disagree with you. But they can't.
 
2013-04-22 04:56:21 PM  
Free Pete Rose!
 
2013-04-22 04:57:35 PM  
Thanks a lot, Alex Jones, you farking human garbage pile
 
2013-04-22 04:58:20 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-04-22 05:05:21 PM  
uh, yeah... no.
 
2013-04-22 05:09:58 PM  
Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.
 
2013-04-22 05:21:23 PM  

JerseyTim: I'd rather free Jafar.


www.clubjosh.com

Nevar forget.
 
2013-04-22 07:14:51 PM  
Don't these people know they will be the first ones the Obamanation will round up into the FEMA camps?
 
2013-04-22 07:23:15 PM  
Clownshiat, nothing more, nothing less.
 
2013-04-22 07:51:01 PM  
I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.
 
2013-04-22 07:56:43 PM  
Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.
 
2013-04-22 07:57:40 PM  
What in the chocolate covered f*ck?
 
2013-04-22 08:01:57 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.


He'll, that's barely even a Tuesday for me.
 
2013-04-22 08:02:20 PM  
*sigh*
 
2013-04-22 08:04:34 PM  

dr_blasto: AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.

He'll, that's barely even a Tuesday for me.


You can tell from my well-placed apostrophes that I'm as innocent as they come, thus my reliance on autocorrect.
 
2013-04-22 08:07:20 PM  
A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.
 
2013-04-22 08:08:32 PM  

gilgigamesh: literally buried


Well, not literally.

Or maybe. One can hope.
 
2013-04-22 08:08:58 PM  
Yeah, the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, rules!

Oh wait, I thought that was a weapon in the GoldenEye X-Box game. You're talking about the bomber guy, yeah he sucks. Nevermind.
 
2013-04-22 08:13:02 PM  
Good. Rambunctious public debate is a sign of a healthy and functioning democracy.
 
2013-04-22 08:22:21 PM  

Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.


Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?
 
2013-04-22 08:22:30 PM  
Isn't this basically the premise of that show Kevin Bacon is on right now?
 
2013-04-22 08:29:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

The "excessive force" folks, for one.


Ah, more stupid shiat from you. Good, nice to have constants in the world.
 
2013-04-22 08:30:27 PM  
i159.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 08:31:48 PM  

propasaurus: This just in: Some people are assholes.


Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.



yes, some people certainly are.
 
2013-04-22 08:38:28 PM  
Wow. I need to go to bed.

*sigh*
 
2013-04-22 08:45:09 PM  
Jahar, Jahar, he's our man.  If he can't do it,  GREAT!

\first thing that came to mind, TBH
\\also, any group that can't be bothered to spell its hero's name right is obviously a crappy group
 
2013-04-22 08:46:49 PM  

propasaurus: This just in: Some people are assholes.


Most of them are on TF
 
2013-04-22 08:48:47 PM  
The thing that grinds me is that this guy will get a fairer trial than the average American.
 
2013-04-22 08:49:06 PM  
WTF?

img.timeinc.net
 
2013-04-22 08:49:07 PM  
I ain't what you call a smart man so let this picture speak for me.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-22 08:49:16 PM  
While I suspect that Dschinghis Kahn here probably was coerced by his older brother, he still participated in a criminal act, and needs to face the consequences of his actions.

There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.
 
2013-04-22 08:50:05 PM  
i858.photobucket.com
Free JarJar
 
2013-04-22 08:50:28 PM  
FREEBIRD
 
2013-04-22 08:50:39 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The thing that grinds me is that this guy will get a fairer trial than the average American.


What makes you say that?
 
2013-04-22 08:51:14 PM  
Even if the Dzhoker gets freed, I'm sure the Dzhustice League will recapture him.
 
2013-04-22 08:51:48 PM  
I hadn't seen the uncropped Jeff Bauman photo until now when I clicked a link in that article.  Kind of wish I hadn't.
 
2013-04-22 08:52:21 PM  
I have little doubt that he was manipulated into taking part in the bombings by his older brother. I have no doubt that he was able to determine right from wrong and chose his path. Fry the little shiat.
 
2013-04-22 08:52:30 PM  

Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.


He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.
 
2013-04-22 08:53:02 PM  
I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.
 
2013-04-22 08:53:44 PM  
We just can't seem to make antipsychotics fast enough

/or get people to take them.....
 
2013-04-22 08:54:00 PM  

propasaurus: scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.

...but enough about the NRA.


Well done sir, well farking done.


But there are morons out there who also believe the theater guy is innocent too.
 
2013-04-22 08:54:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: I have little doubt that he was manipulated into taking part in the bombings by his older brother. I have no doubt that he was able to determine right from wrong and chose his path. Fry the little shiat.


I'd honestly like to keep him alive in some kind of medium security mental facility for the rest of his life.  He's a potential goldmine for studying how immigrants backslide after they've been assimilated.  As a society I think we get the most value out of taking his mind apart and studying the pieces.  Plus my lust for blood was sated when the older douchebag was run over by that SUV.
 
2013-04-22 08:54:35 PM  
Three FREE hots and a cot for the rest of JAHAR's life.

That's what they mean, right? Because I agree.
 
2013-04-22 08:55:07 PM  

gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.


But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl
 
2013-04-22 08:55:08 PM  
These kids need to be waiting for the knock on the door if they push this shiat too far.
 
2013-04-22 08:55:15 PM  
I knew there'd be a massive conspiracy movement around the bombings given a week. Farkers are like cockroaches.
 
2013-04-22 08:55:42 PM  
And I thought the WBC were the worst people ever.
 
2013-04-22 08:55:49 PM  
Hopefully the Tea Party will take a pass on this one.
 
2013-04-22 08:56:17 PM  
FTFA:

i0.kym-cdn.com

#FreeJahar
 
2013-04-22 08:56:21 PM  
Proud to be a libtard NON defender of The Lesser Dorkazov Brother.

Due process FTW.
 
2013-04-22 08:56:28 PM  
1.  Convince Twitter and Instagram to embed GPS data on posts.
2.  Write software that feeds the GPS from #FreeJahar tags directly to Mr. Reaper Drone
3.  Profit, at least someone sues you over the constitutionality of this.
 
2013-04-22 08:56:44 PM  
Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.
 
2013-04-22 08:56:48 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.


Like a boss!
 
2013-04-22 08:57:31 PM  
This thread will be epic if you wish to enlarge your ignore list.
 
2013-04-22 08:57:41 PM  
I can totally see that doucebag's face on T-Shirts 10 years from now.
 
2013-04-22 08:57:49 PM  

gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.


But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl.
 
2013-04-22 08:58:17 PM  

Frozboz: I can totally see that doucebag's face on T-Shirts 10 years from now.


Douce!
 
2013-04-22 08:58:21 PM  
"He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence,"

Ummmm...I'm SHOCKED they got him as fast as they did.  It was, almost literally, a needle in a hay stack and they got him in less than a weeks time?  Go fark yourself, conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-04-22 08:58:38 PM  

Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.


Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out
 
2013-04-22 08:58:40 PM  
Clarification: I am not suggesting that we free Jahar - I was merely implying that the people in the article were up to some good ol' fashioned jimmie rustlin'.
 
2013-04-22 08:58:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: FREE HAT!


Came here to post that; beat to the punch!
 
2013-04-22 08:59:16 PM  
Double post. My bad.
 
2013-04-22 08:59:30 PM  
Online extremism?

Beware the keyboard extremists.
 
2013-04-22 08:59:51 PM  
Murderers on death row get marriage proposals all the time.  Some women take loving the bad boy way too far.
 
2013-04-22 09:00:03 PM  

Silly Jesus: dr_blasto: Silly Jesus: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

The "excessive force" folks, for one.

Ah, more stupid shiat from you. Good, nice to have constants in the world.

Someone didn't read the CUNY professor thread.


Damn all reality, FULL DERP AHEAD!
 
2013-04-22 09:00:18 PM  

netgamer7k: Online extremism?

Beware the keyboard extremists.


I hear they have their Reapers set to "CAPS LOCK." This is srs bsnss.
 
2013-04-22 09:00:37 PM  

trippycrazy12: gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.

But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl.


I kind of got how someone like RIchard Ramirez or Ted Bundy could get female groupies: they're handsome, and have a certain dark magnetism to them.  I have no idea how that walrus-looking piece of shiat Peterson gets female fans.  Not only is he ugly as hell, he's a real douche too.
 
2013-04-22 09:00:52 PM  

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.

Great post except"
he wasn't a freeper
he wasn't a Tehahadist
he wasn't a rightwing anything.
Idiot. Go smole more Lib pole, you tool.
 
2013-04-22 09:01:33 PM  
looks like its time for mass deportations.
 
2013-04-22 09:01:49 PM  
Sheesh.

Anybody got that Professor Farnsworth " I don't want to live on this planet anymore" thing handy?
 
2013-04-22 09:03:17 PM  
Fark em, hang him high
 
2013-04-22 09:03:18 PM  

propasaurus: scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.

...but enough about the NRA.


Aaaaaand another as**ole is heard from.
Fark you and your hate.

Besides you prove what I came here to post:
'Stupid people believe stupid things'.
 
2013-04-22 09:03:49 PM  
I propose a new word for English lexicon -- poopid.  A combination of poophead and stupid.
 
2013-04-22 09:04:06 PM  
Give him a fair trial; if he's guilty, hang 'em and hang 'em high. If not; let him go.

/ some of you guys seem to think that due process seems not to exist or does not apply.
 
2013-04-22 09:04:12 PM  

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.


I live with my mom  Just a pathetic effort
 
2013-04-22 09:04:52 PM  

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

FREE JEMIMA!

 
Esn
2013-04-22 09:05:05 PM  
The bombing was a heinous act and the person responsible should be punished.

I haven't been following the story very closely, so I'm not really sure if he's guilty or not. Does anyone know of a good site with a full rundown of the evidence proving that he's the one responsible (with his brother)?

Also, is there a place where the claims of these skeptics are debunked?

Unfortunately, the terrorist did succeed in causing enormous damage out of all proportion to the resources put in.  Something like $333 million.
 
2013-04-22 09:05:24 PM  

Silly Jesus: Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

The Why Not Guy (Favorite: Potato)

He's right though. You're making an idiot of yourself.

I hold your opinion of me in extremely high regard.


Please, show me one instance of some "libtard" farker defending this guy for his actions.
 
2013-04-22 09:05:40 PM  
If he was guilty, there'd be evidence by now!"

uh UH.. I see.

So, the corollary to which would be, "If you're NOT guilty, don't run from the cops like a lunatic and hole up in basements near the ass end of the crime wave you're being arrested for"?

This guy doesn't need an attorney, he needs a sh*tproof  paddle.
 
2013-04-22 09:05:50 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The thing that grinds me is that this guy will get a fairer trial than the average American.


Oh bullshiate. You're a moron.
 
2013-04-22 09:05:51 PM  
Could someone please photoshop Jar Jar Binks' head onto that Boston marathon image in place of the white hat souche's head?
 
2013-04-22 09:05:57 PM  
He's innocent.  He killed nobody.  The bombs he planted and bullets he fired and SUV tires he rode on, those were the real murderers.
 
2013-04-22 09:06:53 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.


I think he might mean the folks who want to see him actually be tried. Apparently wanting to see justice done and served is "defending" him.


You know, as opposed to defending our legal system, and having faith in our judicial system, and the Constitution. I can see how some folks might equate that with "defending him" as opposed to simply shooting him in the face after several hours of strapping his 'nads to a car battery.


They seem to forget wee things like justice and law when they get scared. It sort of shows their cowardice, but that's not all that surprising.


lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-04-22 09:06:54 PM  
...a tinted photo of Tsarnaev declaring his innocence; disbelievers "are NASA, GOVERMENT , CSI, NSI, ARMY etc. It is those who is dealing with satan."

i.imgur.com
CSI isn't even real, you numbwits.

And I guess ARMY is an acronym too, huh?

Jesus Tittyfarking Dog Eating Christ on a Pogo Stik.
 
2013-04-22 09:07:14 PM  
What a free Jaffa might look like i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-22 09:07:27 PM  

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists

and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.


This guy?
  i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-22 09:07:52 PM  
Good thing the terrorists haven't got us barking sh*t at each other instead of calmly reviewing the facts through discourse.
 
2013-04-22 09:08:28 PM  
And I bet some of them are hot women as well.
 
2013-04-22 09:08:31 PM  

edmo: Hopefully the Tea Party will take a pass on this one.


What a stupid comment.
Next time try harder to post some witty/insightful/biting because fails at all three.
 
2013-04-22 09:08:59 PM  

Mugato: BarkingUnicorn: The thing that grinds me is that this guy will get a fairer trial than the average American.

What makes you say that?


Public defenders don't get a lot of time or resources for most cases.  This one has to be done right because of all the attention on it.
 
2013-04-22 09:09:45 PM  

FriarReb98: \\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store


I must say it was very shocking to turn on the news Friday AM and here's a police command center in the parking lot of my local best buy/target/home depot
 
2013-04-22 09:09:58 PM  
Meh.  Richard Ramirez raped and killed 13 women and still found some woman to marry him in prison.  I wouldn't put too much thought into this.
 
2013-04-22 09:10:33 PM  
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev - the world's worst Scrabble hand....
 
2013-04-22 09:11:04 PM  

JerseyTim: I'd rather free Jafar.


Free tater.
 
2013-04-22 09:13:55 PM  

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.


This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?  Especially since there's a thread from earlier today where the Right/Teaparty groups were being condemned for wanting this guy to be stripped of his citizenship, raped, tortured and then finally executed in ways that violates the Constitution.
 
2013-04-22 09:14:00 PM  
trippycrazy12:
But...but... They can change him.

oh yes, the magic vagina theory.

1,throw glitter on him
2, tell teen girls there's a real Edward Cullen
3,?
4, prophet?
 
2013-04-22 09:14:12 PM  
This forum is a disapointment at times.  This thread is on of them.
 
2013-04-22 09:14:24 PM  

Glitchwerks: I hadn't seen the uncropped Jeff Bauman photo until now when I clicked a link in that article.  Kind of wish I hadn't.


that photo convinced me I did not want to see any more of the carnage.

it's a good reminder of what those guys did.

this kid laid the bomb behind the 8 year old who got blown up. hard to have mercy for this Chechen dbag.

that being said, I hope he understands what he did was wrong. I hope he lives long enough to regret his actions... not because he was caught, but because he did something so foul. I hope he gains real insight, real regret.
 
2013-04-22 09:14:46 PM  
Hating on America? When did this start?
 
2013-04-22 09:14:54 PM  

Silly Jesus: falling all over yourself to insult the "pigs" who arrested him as treating him harshly and making up some straw man nonsense about an educated college student not understand that he doesn't have a burden to admit anything to the cops.


Absolutely correct. Those people in your imagination really went overboard.
 
2013-04-22 09:16:23 PM  

Silly Jesus: I wasn't referring to defense of his actions, but defense of his treatment.  Miranda / Combatant / Excessive force etc.


Sigh. Yes, I'm exactly this bored.

You don't have to be a "libtard" to believe that everyone in this country deserves due process. That includes the whole Miranda process. That's not a "libtard" thing, that's an "America" thing. There's nothing to indicate that they were enemy combatants and I haven't heard anyone outside the lunatic fringe who said there was "excessive force".

You got nothing.
 
2013-04-22 09:16:27 PM  

Great Janitor: This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?


Islamists are conservatives.
 
2013-04-22 09:16:52 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

"I tell you, Satan's gonna have no trouble taking over here 'cause all the women are gonna say: 'What a cute butt.' 'He's Satan!' 'You don't know him like I do.' 'He's the Prince of Darkness!' 'I can change him.'"
 
2013-04-22 09:16:54 PM  

#freejahar?



i483.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 09:16:54 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Hating on America? When did this start?


About an hour and a half after we told the English we weren't going to send them any more turpentine or pine tar.
 
2013-04-22 09:16:56 PM  

hubiestubert: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

I think he might mean the folks who want to see him actually be tried. Apparently wanting to see justice done and served is "defending" him.


Oh, you must mean those un-American libtardos that weren't immediately trying to figure out a way to strip him of his citizenship.
 
2013-04-22 09:17:15 PM  

Silly Jesus: dr_blasto: Silly Jesus: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

The "excessive force" folks, for one.

Ah, more stupid shiat from you. Good, nice to have constants in the world.

Someone didn't read the CUNY professor thread.


The ENEMY is becoming more powerful. We must get angrier.
 
2013-04-22 09:17:30 PM  
 
2013-04-22 09:17:37 PM  

jaytkay: Great Janitor: This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?

Islamists are conservatives.


That's it???  Still makes no sense given that they don't like each other.
 
2013-04-22 09:17:58 PM  

Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.


Go fark yourself. People arguing that the bill of rights be equally applied to all citizens are hardly 'defenders'. He did it and he should be punished harshly according to the law. Nutjobs are nutjobs.
 
2013-04-22 09:18:57 PM  
What I find even more disturbing is the seemingly media's wiliness to go lock and step with what they are told they can and can't report. Why nothing about the Saudi national that was originally taken into custody? Why have we not heard how he was quietly deported for terrorist activities and how his wealthy family called favors to get him home and special treatment? How John Kerry's office put it together?
 
2013-04-22 09:19:15 PM  

Silly Jesus: Almost Everybody Poops: Silly Jesus: Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

The Why Not Guy (Favorite: Potato)

He's right though. You're making an idiot of yourself.

I hold your opinion of me in extremely high regard.

Please, show me one instance of some "libtard" farker defending this guy for his actions.

I wasn't referring to defense of his actions, but defense of his treatment.  Miranda / Combatant / Excessive force etc.


So expecting the authorities to Mirandize him and try him in court are defending him? Also, those sentiments are "libtard" exactly how?

What "excessive force" did people decry? Or are you complaining about people who don't want to cut his nuts off and dump him in downtown Boston without a trial?
 
2013-04-22 09:20:03 PM  
Dumbasses, every one of them.
 
2013-04-22 09:20:13 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-22 09:21:52 PM  

KimNorth: What I find even more disturbing is the seemingly media's wiliness to go lock and step with what they are told they can and can't report. Why nothing about the Saudi national that was originally taken into custody? Why have we not heard how he was quietly deported for terrorist activities and how his wealthy family called favors to get him home and special treatment? How John Kerry's office put it together?


...aaaand now we know you listen to Glenn Beck.
 
2013-04-22 09:22:09 PM  
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-04-22 09:22:31 PM  
The Lynch mob mentality on display in Fark is pretty sickening. By all means, if the guy is found guilty of the crimes he has been accused of, then he should be punished accordingly.
What, are you all posting from Buttfark Alabama?
 
2013-04-22 09:23:05 PM  
Well, that's got set some kinda of record.
 
2013-04-22 09:23:08 PM  

trippycrazy12: gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.

But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl


Soooo, lucky them?
 
2013-04-22 09:23:21 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: What a free Jaffa might look like [i.imgur.com image 200x328]

img.photobucket.com

 
2013-04-22 09:23:50 PM  

dr_blasto: Silly Jesus: Almost Everybody Poops: Silly Jesus: Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

The Why Not Guy (Favorite: Potato)

He's right though. You're making an idiot of yourself.

I hold your opinion of me in extremely high regard.

Please, show me one instance of some "libtard" farker defending this guy for his actions.

I wasn't referring to defense of his actions, but defense of his treatment.  Miranda / Combatant / Excessive force etc.

So expecting the authorities to Mirandize him and try him in court are defending him? Also, those sentiments are "libtard" exactly how?

What "excessive force" did people decry? Or are you complaining about people who don't want to cut his nuts off and dump him in downtown Boston without a trial?


He's making shiat up.  A desperate cry for human interaction.

If people didn't take the time to call him an asshole, he probably wouldn't get any attention.
 
2013-04-22 09:24:33 PM  
Truthers, trolls and nuts. It's the internet
 
2013-04-22 09:24:47 PM  

legion_of_doo: Glitchwerks: I hadn't seen the uncropped Jeff Bauman photo until now when I clicked a link in that article.  Kind of wish I hadn't.

that photo convinced me I did not want to see any more of the carnage.

it's a good reminder of what those guys did.

this kid laid the bomb behind the 8 year old who got blown up. hard to have mercy for this Chechen dbag.

that being said, I hope he understands what he did was wrong. I hope he lives long enough to regret his actions... not because he was caught, but because he did something so foul. I hope he gains real insight, real regret.


legion_of_doo: Glitchwerks: I hadn't seen the uncropped Jeff Bauman photo until now when I clicked a link in that article.  Kind of wish I hadn't.

that photo convinced me I did not want to see any more of the carnage.

it's a good reminder of what those guys did.

this kid laid the bomb behind the 8 year old who got blown up. hard to have mercy for this Chechen dbag.

that being said, I hope he understands what he did was wrong. I hope he lives long enough to regret his actions... not because he was caught, but because he did something so foul. I hope he gains real insight, real regret.


I hope the same. I think there is chance that he will be rehabilitated unlike Anders Breivik who is just plain crazy. Breivik got 21yrs.
 
2013-04-22 09:25:06 PM  
Charming attractive guy, so much so that has friends had no idea he was remotely capable of doing anything bad to people at all, and didn't say anything even when they saw the pics and it looked just like him.
And even people online try to make all kinds of excuses for him "He's just a kid, his brother probably brainwashed him, maybe he didn't even know what was going on."
Why? Because nothing on his twitter feed or anything his friends have said shows he's anything but a regular young kid. He's not. No doubt he's good at acting the part, but he comes off as way too "normal" for it to be genuine, yet still do what he did.
In fact I think there may even be a chance he used his brothers radicalization to  convince HIM to go through with the acts. His brother seemed somewhat impulsive and alienated, but he was pretty transparent, even attracting fbi attention - not cunning. Everyone knew something was amiss with him, even if they didn't think he'd go this far, and the fact that he ended up with domestic violence charges also shows impulsive behavior. However, the younger brother seems very intelligent, and had everyone convinced he was practically a saint.

I've seen the vid and the way he was smiling and acting calm, even after the blast, along with how he totally snowed his friends and family into thinking he was this sweet and  fine upstanding young man, convinces me that he is likely a sociopath. A true sociopath you'll almost never suspect is capable of anything until they get caught red handed. Add some narcissism in and it explains the whole backward hat not even trying to really hide identity "try and catch me" thing. He even went back to school and acted absolutely normal after the bombing, other than a friend saying he seemed a little down. That's not the mark of someone that accidentally got caught up in his brothers crap and didn't know what was going. It's the behavior or someone who is used to putting on an act for the public.

So yeah, point being I was kind of expecting this to happen. Gain a Mansonesque following so to speak. Surprised it started happening so soon, but with the internet and all I guess things start up quick. Oh well.
 
2013-04-22 09:25:14 PM  
A more hilarious read from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/

Apparently the US state dept has a Terrorist Trolling Dept.   Ya know, to crush the will of the young terrorists online so they don't actually go try to make bombs and shiat.
 
2013-04-22 09:25:23 PM  

Great Janitor: jaytkay: Great Janitor: This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?

Islamists are conservatives.

That's it???  Still makes no sense given that they don't like each other.


I was being flippant but the statement is true.

American conservatives and Islamic militants are not deliberately cooperating.

But they are working for the same goal of ruining the lives of normal people.
 
2013-04-22 09:25:27 PM  
OWS run out of chants already?
 
2013-04-22 09:25:50 PM  
 

LL316: "He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence,"

Ummmm...I'm SHOCKED they got him as fast as they did.  It was, almost literally, a needle in a hay stack and they got him in less than a weeks time?  Go fark yourself, conspiracy theorists.


Yeah, some chuckleheads obviously don't know how long it takes to assemble a case against someone, even if you've basically caught them red-handed.

I've often thought that there is an element of slowing things down in the legal system primarily to provide a sober look at the case.  This would hopefully minimize the conspiracy nuts and the lynchers.
 
2013-04-22 09:26:29 PM  
Silly Jesus cast his net. He is a fisher of men, or farkers.
 
2013-04-22 09:26:29 PM  

propasaurus: KimNorth: What I find even more disturbing is the seemingly media's wiliness to go lock and step with what they are told they can and can't report. Why nothing about the Saudi national that was originally taken into custody? Why have we not heard how he was quietly deported for terrorist activities and how his wealthy family called favors to get him home and special treatment? How John Kerry's office put it together?

...aaaand now we know you listen to Glenn Beck.


Um CNN talked about it for 30 seconds today yippy!!!!

Is it not true??
 
2013-04-22 09:26:39 PM  

FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out


The one they stripped naked?  If it's that guy he was all over the news for a bit.  Was he pissed?
 
2013-04-22 09:26:50 PM  

KimNorth: What I find even more disturbing is the seemingly media's wiliness to go lock and step with what they are told they can and can't report. Why nothing about the Saudi national that was originally taken into custody? Why have we not heard how he was quietly deported for terrorist activities and how his wealthy family called favors to get him home and special treatment? How John Kerry's office put it together?


taken into custody =/= under arrest

And he didn't do anything wrong. People jumped him because he was Saudi.
 
2013-04-22 09:26:54 PM  
Fark off
 
2013-04-22 09:26:58 PM  

Silly Jesus: How many other crimes discussed on Fark include multiple threads focusing on "OMG I hope they read him Miranda, poor little fella won't know what to do without 'em?"


Well I doubt anyone posted those exact words but if there was any debate to that effect it's because some were calling this a terrorist attack and that they should be sent to Gitmo without trial. Calling every single act of violence a terror attack is a slippery slope that yes, us libtards are wary of that.
 
2013-04-22 09:27:07 PM  
 
2013-04-22 09:27:55 PM  
I can't believe the liberals are starting to back this guy - starting to make this guy a cause - just unreal to me - hope they reason it out, come up with something better.
 
2013-04-22 09:28:02 PM  

Glitchwerks: I hadn't seen the uncropped Jeff Bauman photo until now when I clicked a link in that article.  Kind of wish I hadn't.


I haven't seen it, so thanks for the warning.
 
2013-04-22 09:28:39 PM  
Let my Cameron go.
 
2013-04-22 09:28:53 PM  
shiathead is an expert on severe trauma to the human body but spells "lose" with two 'o's...
 
2013-04-22 09:29:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, throw the homemade bombs I just happened have on me at the cop cars, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.


Fixed to make the stupidity of the idea that he's innocent even more stupid. His attorney will go for the insanity defense... he's been charged in Federal court, they're probably gonna go for the needle, and he's got zero defense other than "I was mentally incompetent."
 
2013-04-22 09:29:22 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mugato: Silly Jesus: I wasn't referring to defense of his actions, but defense of his treatment.  Miranda / Combatant / Excessive force etc.

Sigh. Yes, I'm exactly this bored.

You don't have to be a "libtard" to believe that everyone in this country deserves due process. That includes the whole Miranda process. That's not a "libtard" thing, that's an "America" thing. There's nothing to indicate that they were enemy combatants and I haven't heard anyone outside the lunatic fringe who said there was "excessive force".

You got nothing.

How many other crimes discussed on Fark include multiple threads focusing on "OMG I hope they read him Miranda, poor little fella won't know what to do without 'em?"



You don't think maybe that's a reaction to a decade of people being disappeared with no due process thanks to the PATRIOT Act?

There's a huge difference between insisting on the accused (because he IS innocent until proven guilty - that's the basis of our entire legal system) being afforded his full rights under the Constitution (due process, habeas corpus, right to a fair trial - you know, things that used to mean something until we as a society shiat our collective pants when we got hit) and saying "Free Jahar")
 
2013-04-22 09:29:32 PM  

Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.


That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.
 
2013-04-22 09:29:54 PM  

Silly Jesus: There's an entire thread about a liberal professor handwringing about the excessive force, and in the Fark comments you'll find several folks in agreement.


So, what you're saying is your initial comment was completely wrong.
 
2013-04-22 09:29:57 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe the liberals are starting to back this guy - starting to make this guy a cause - just unreal to me - hope they reason

study it out, come up with something better.

If you're going to troll, learn the lingo, n00b
 
2013-04-22 09:30:31 PM  

jaytkay: Great Janitor: jaytkay: Great Janitor: This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?

Islamists are conservatives.

That's it???  Still makes no sense given that they don't like each other.

I was being flippant but the statement is true.

American conservatives and Islamic militants are not deliberately cooperating.

But they are working for the same goal of ruining the lives of normal people.


And what has the Conservatives done to ruin the lives of normal people?
 
2013-04-22 09:31:23 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will be epic if you wish to enlarge your ignore list.


Well done.
 
2013-04-22 09:31:40 PM  
Let's all run over our terrorist brothers!
 
2013-04-22 09:32:48 PM  
I'm not surprised. People are stupid. I hope he releases some statement about how proud he is that he did it and they are left trying to rationalize the crap they've spewed against his confession.
 
2013-04-22 09:32:50 PM  
I see the truthers had to find a fresh reason for people to despise them.

Now there is the possibility that Tamerlan might have been the one to murder his lone American "friend" (Brendan Mess) and two others. I can't help but think it could have been an initiation, and obviously Dzhokhar would have been involved, as well. Before Tamerlan "found" Islamism, he was a bit of a pot head, the scenario I can see is that his friend offered him some pot, Tamerlan got upset, and decided it would make a good test to see if they could stomach killing Americans up close and personal...
 
2013-04-22 09:32:54 PM  
Id be ok with putting everyone that supports him on the no fly list.
 
2013-04-22 09:33:27 PM  

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.


Freepers yes, teahadists, no.

Those are the ones who want to deny his constitutional right to trial.

Christians aren't fighting a war. The American govt is. Separation of church and state and all of that
 
2013-04-22 09:33:45 PM  

propasaurus: scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.

...but enough about the NRA.



somuchwin.jpg
 
2013-04-22 09:33:59 PM  

Triumph: KimNorth:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 318x239]


THE SAUDI WILL BE DEPORTED MARK MY WORDS!!!

 
2013-04-22 09:34:30 PM  

tlchwi02: FriarReb98: \\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store

I must say it was very shocking to turn on the news Friday AM and here's a police command center in the parking lot of my local best buy/target/home depot


Was it more shocking than having a guy who bombed the marathon, killed a cop, carjacked a guy, run over his brother and throw explosives at cops on city streets?
 
2013-04-22 09:34:32 PM  
He is pretty dreamy...

static.guim.co.uk

/someone will mock up a tiger beat with all those young men
 
2013-04-22 09:34:44 PM  
In a fascist state, when the people with authority move against somebody and they are immediately guilty and you don't disagree.  In a just state, guilt is proven by a preponderance of the evidence and not who pissed who off, who lost money or what year the election is.  So far, we've been bating about .500, overall and you have to admit, this guy's case sucks hippo ass, but they gotta prove it beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt or the terrorists HAVE won.
 
2013-04-22 09:35:44 PM  

luxup: FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out

The one they stripped naked?  If it's that guy he was all over the news for a bit.  Was he pissed?


No, I forget where that one was, actually.  The one I'm talking about happened at the ferry from New London to Port Jefferson IIRC.  He got pinned to the ground by officials with rifles, cuffed, interrogated, and then let go once they figured out he was the wrong guy.  I guess the fact that he's two years older, is from the town over from where the bomber went to school, and just generally doesn't think, act or sound like a disgruntled Muslim from Chechnya wasn't enough of a dead giveaway.

\his father is  pissed too...
 
2013-04-22 09:35:54 PM  
If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups.
 
2013-04-22 09:36:33 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: If you're going to troll, learn the lingo, n00b


Pretty harsh there bro - with all of the personal attacks and stuff / lack of that calm, rational, liberal logic we've been sitting on our seats waiting to hear. I'm sure you're just building up / we can look forward to something beyond what you've shown.
 
2013-04-22 09:36:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, you must mean those un-American libtardos that weren't immediately trying to figure out a way to strip him of his citizenship.


If only folks would realize that stripping citizens of their citizenship could in no way possibly have ramifications down the road. Truly, they are monsters...
 
2013-04-22 09:36:58 PM  
When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.
 
2013-04-22 09:37:13 PM  

This Face Left Blank: If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups, everybody would agree with me!

 
2013-04-22 09:37:17 PM  
 
2013-04-22 09:37:20 PM  
Some back that stuff just because they like to troll, but some actually believe in that craziness.  I am rendered speechless whenever I come across someone like that.  What do you say to someone who will walk right by the logical and sensible solution to embrace some bizarre conspiracy theory?  I don't even bother anymore.  Just write them off as a lost cause and move on.
 
2013-04-22 09:38:00 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Meh.  Richard Ramirez raped and killed 13 women and still found some woman to marry him in prison.  I wouldn't put too much thought into this.


My mother was a social worker in a prison.  Should would have to interview some of these women who would apply to marry an inmate.  Conversation usually went something like this...

"Why do you want to marry so and so?"
"I love him yadda yadda."
"You do understand he is in here for committing rape?"
"I know but he is different now.  He loves me and I understand him blah blah blah..."

Pretty much what you would think.
 
2013-04-22 09:38:02 PM  
Fark this punk, with a spike-covered Red Sox L-Ville Slugger.
 
2013-04-22 09:38:28 PM  
It's a logical extension of #falseflag

I was thinking about doing a conspiracy theory website to load up with affiliate advertising but I've spent enough time arguing against conspiracy theorists. I've filed them in the same class as religious believers and given up on them. Although it might be fun arguing with someone some day and saying "Oh, you're quoting my troll-site. Let's go drop your name as one of the police sources. You're okay with being a Boston Lt. Detective, right?"

At least if I start a conspiracy theory that takes the nature of a religion I don't have to worry about being crucified.
 
2013-04-22 09:40:23 PM  

bunner: Hector Remarkable: Hating on America? When did this start?

About an hour and a half after we told the English we weren't going to send them any more turpentine or pine tar.


Well we never should have done that. A man needs him his pine tar. Still, you can't let the King of England just walk in the door and start pushing you around. That's not what you want, is it? For the King of England to just come in and start pushing you around?
 
2013-04-22 09:40:35 PM  

jso2897: I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.


Pinkos.

cdn2-b.examiner.com

Hard line "conservatives"

transhumanity.net
 
2013-04-22 09:41:22 PM  

nickerj1: A more hilarious read from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/

Apparently the US state dept has a Terrorist Trolling Dept.   Ya know, to crush the will of the young terrorists online so they don't actually go try to make bombs and shiat.


Did they hire Stephenie Meyer?

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-22 09:41:29 PM  

Elegy: shanrick: Silly Jesus cast his net. He is a fisher of men, or farkers.

He usually gets a 1/10 in my book. Real trolls don't use nets, they throw out a single lure and watch the thread explode around it. SJ shiats up threads too much to be anything more than a third rate partisan hack.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 09:41:57 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: And even people online try to make all kinds of excuses for him "He's just a kid, his brother probably brainwashed him, maybe he didn't even know what was going on."


I hate to say it, but I've had those thoughts about him. Then I remember that he left bombs, most likely saw the devastation, went back to life as normal, then continued hanging out with his brother, robbed a store etc etc.
It's possible he got in way over his head, but I also have no doubt that he did what he's accused of doing.

I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The people who think he's completely innocent are idiots though.
 
2013-04-22 09:42:13 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Truthers, trolls and nuts. It's the internet


Essential ingredients.
 
2013-04-22 09:43:24 PM  

VOTE BARABAS



Meanwhile, we'll feed this sick fark to the wolves.
As it shold be.
 
2013-04-22 09:44:39 PM  

LesserEvil: Before Tamerlan "found" Islamism, he was a bit of a pot head, the scenario I can see is that his friend offered him some pot, Tamerlan got upset, and decided it would make a good test to see if they could stomach killing Americans up close and personal...


Everyone is eyeing Tamerlan, but think about it this way. He was the one that was very obviously brainwashed into radicalism. He didn't really hide it. It was on his social networking pages, and he even attracted the attention of the fbi at one point.
The younger brother apparently showed no signs of such, and friends were surprised he was even religious at all. Kind of shows he's good at showing people what they want to see.
So who in this case seems like the more likely one to be convinced of something by someone charismatic? The younger brother, who is very charming and apparently good at making friends and convincing people he's a great guy, or the older brother who is alienated, and not very social or people oriented, nor tries to hide that fact? How do we know he's not the one that convinced his older brother to go through with it?
 
2013-04-22 09:44:43 PM  

nmrsnr: Crazy people are crazy.


One thing we've learned in this modern era of greater data samples and more stored information is that crazy people aren't crazy insomuch as it's very easy to have a subdivision of crazy in an otherwise totally normal head. We are so good at compartmentalising we didn't really notice it back in the day,  and so crazy beliefs and ideas were just obscure or hidden - you'd only consider guys who ate their own leather straps to be 'crazy.' But the reality is that humans are fantastic at creating little nutty rooms in their heads, and some people wander in there and sit around for a while. Some people stay there longer than others, and some people don't come out - and it's that last group that we conventionally consider crazy.

Jon Ronson, speaking about Alex Jones, indicated that Jones comes out of his nutty room from time to time, but knows that long visits there are part of his bread and butter. In this regard, it makes Alex more horrible a human being - someone who knows that in his work there is some manipulation, some deceit - but is willing to do that, in the name of money and ego.
 
2013-04-22 09:45:25 PM  
Well, his two buddies won't be enjoying tooling around in their BMW with "Terrorista #1" on the front plate any more... they are getting deported.

img2u.info

PRO TIP: Don't come to a western nation and put plates like that on your car, even if you didn't realize your "outrage guy" emulating friend is a worthless scumbag child murderer.
 
2013-04-22 09:46:34 PM  

jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.


You are odd because you just bunch millions of people into a box from a few lines you read on a blog or maybe some encounters, etc and judged them collectively. In fact doing to them exactly what you accuse them of doing...there is a word for that, what is it??
 
2013-04-22 09:47:40 PM  
Internet dentist-like typing detected.
 
2013-04-22 09:47:59 PM  

Surpheon: Holy cow, there are people who don't have Silly Jesus on their ignore lists yet?


Who?
 
2013-04-22 09:48:05 PM  

ParallelUniverseParking: #freejahar?


I farking love Tool! What do I win?!?!

Oh....OH...okay, I get it.
 
2013-04-22 09:48:51 PM  
"He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

Stopped reading right there. If you can't at least get your basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev charged with using 'weapon of mass destruction'
 
2013-04-22 09:48:53 PM  

erik-k: AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, throw the homemade bombs I just happened have on me at the cop cars, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.

Fixed to make the stupidity of the idea that he's innocent even more stupid. His attorney will go for the insanity defense... he's been charged in Federal court, they're probably gonna go for the needle, and he's got zero defense other than "I was mentally incompetent."


An attorney has plenty of room to establish reasonable doubt with a jury of idiots. If the police would have just asked the public for help sooner, we wouldn't have had so many other possible suspects.
 
2013-04-22 09:49:47 PM  

KimNorth: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

You are odd because you just bunch millions of people into a box from a few lines you read on a blog or maybe some encounters, etc and judged them collectively. In fact doing to them exactly what you accuse them of doing...there is a word for that, what is it??


Cheese.
 
2013-04-22 09:50:25 PM  

vudukungfu: VOTE BARABAS


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-22 09:50:31 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: LesserEvil: Before Tamerlan "found" Islamism, he was a bit of a pot head, the scenario I can see is that his friend offered him some pot, Tamerlan got upset, and decided it would make a good test to see if they could stomach killing Americans up close and personal...

Everyone is eyeing Tamerlan, but think about it this way. He was the one that was very obviously brainwashed into radicalism. He didn't really hide it. It was on his social networking pages, and he even attracted the attention of the fbi at one point.
The younger brother apparently showed no signs of such, and friends were surprised he was even religious at all. Kind of shows he's good at showing people what they want to see.
So who in this case seems like the more likely one to be convinced of something by someone charismatic? The younger brother, who is very charming and apparently good at making friends and convincing people he's a great guy, or the older brother who is alienated, and not very social or people oriented, nor tries to hide that fact? How do we know he's not the one that convinced his older brother to go through with it?


We will never know, but the older one isn't going to need an attorney any time in the future.
 
2013-04-22 09:51:42 PM  
I may be a beginner at speed-reading but I could almost scroll through the first 150 posts in 6 seconds and just absorb the contents thanks to preconceived notions! Thanks ingrained ideas! (next 2 posts showing Im not a total asshole)
 
2013-04-22 09:52:05 PM  

fusillade762: "He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

Stopped reading right there. If you can't at least get your basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time.


The article was written and posted before the criminal complaint was announced.
 
2013-04-22 09:54:24 PM  

berylman: I may be a beginner at speed-reading but I could almost scroll through the first 150 posts in 6 seconds and just absorb the contents thanks to preconceived notions! Thanks ingrained ideas! (next 2 posts showing Im not a total asshole)


You were born knowing everything you will ever need to know anyway.
 
2013-04-22 09:54:39 PM  

bunner: This Face Left Blank: If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups, everybody would agree with me!



Did you RTFA?  Some of them are saying the bombing was FAKED.  Go on and defend that as not intensely stupid.  Do it.  There's room on my ignore list, and I have no issues ignoring people that would defend that patently insane idea.  In fact, I wish everyone who was that idiotic would so clearly show themselves to be.
 
2013-04-22 09:54:48 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: I hate to say it, but I've had those thoughts about him.


So did I at first.

Then I saw better video of him, noticed his calm demeanor and such, thought about how everyone gives him a free pass (probably has his whole life), and how even when he went back to school afterwards no one noticed any red flags, and thought "Nah, this seems like a cold motherfarker."

A lot of people didn't like his brother and thought he was a bad influence and bad kid. The younger one is the opposite. If he's a sociopath and the planning was encouraged by him from the beginning, I also wouldn't be surprised if he ran over his brother to keep him from talking. If he's been so good at snowing people his whole life, why wouldn't he figure he can possibly get away with this too, by pawning it off on his brother?

Like I said, he just seems too "normal" to be genuinely so, especially given what he did. More like he tells everyone what they want to hear and shows the persona they want to see so that no one has a bad word to say about him. Most people have at least someone that doesn't like them, but you're not seeing ANYONE coming out going "Yeah, I never liked him, he just rubbed me the wrong way," at all. The family defends him, friends can't believe he did it, even given video evidence.
EVERYONE liked him, and that's not really normal, especially after a horrible act that should have people coming out of the woodwork with negative comments.
 
2013-04-22 09:55:24 PM  
 10 - 1 it's a trap. Jahar will find out at their first meetup that every member of the freejahar group is a resident of Boston.
But it  will be too late, as he realizes he should have listened to his uncle Ackbar.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-22 09:56:07 PM  

LesserEvil: Well, his two buddies won't be enjoying tooling around in their BMW with "Terrorista #1" on the front plate any more... they are getting deported.


You sound really well-informed.

Cuz terrorists always publicly display the word "terrorist" on the belongings.

Be on the lookout in your neighborhood. They wear turbans and they carry cannonball-type bombs with lit fuses.
 
2013-04-22 09:56:20 PM  

douchebag/hater: propasaurus: scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.

...but enough about the NRA.

Aaaaaand another as**ole is heard from.
Fark you and your hate.

Besides you prove what I came here to post:
'Stupid people believe stupid things'.


Everything you post proves stupid people believe stupid things.
 
2013-04-22 09:57:39 PM  
Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!
 
2013-04-22 09:57:52 PM  
Everybody loves a clown - why don't you?
 
2013-04-22 09:58:04 PM  

fusillade762: "He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

Stopped reading right there. If you can't at least get your basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev charged with using 'weapon of mass destruction'


#Freejahar Hashtag Rallies Emerging Cult of Boston Bomb Suspect
By Spencer Ackerman
04.22.13
10:45 AM
 
2013-04-22 09:58:26 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: How do we know he's not the one that convinced his older brother to go through with it?


The more I see about these two, the more I veer toward agreeing with that theory.
I get the sense the younger one is more of a garden-variety sociopath, though.
I think "ideology" is just an excuse for him -- he's a thrill killer/serial killer in the making, and saw his brother's radicalism as an entré into his darkest fantasies.

I also think he might have thought he could get away by killing his brother -- he was able to for a while -- until being nineteen finally caught up with him.

Of the two, though, he seemed more cunning and sinister -- look at the grainy pictures the FBI distributed.
His body language, to me anyway, is more confident and cocky -- he's enjoying this.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about all this.
I ain't no head-shrinker or "body language expert", nor do I play one on TV.
 
2013-04-22 09:59:02 PM  

luxup: Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!


No, they aren't every happy. They are just some of the happys.
 
2013-04-22 09:59:08 PM  

hubiestubert: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

I think he might mean the folks who want to see him actually be tried. Apparently wanting to see justice done and served is "defending" him.
You know, as opposed to defending our legal system, and having faith in our judicial system, and the Constitution. I can see how some folks might equate that with "defending him" as opposed to simply shooting him in the face after several hours of strapping his 'nads to a car battery.
They seem to forget wee things like justice and law when they get scared. It sort of shows their cowardice, but that's not all that surprising.
[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 300x300]


"In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy that territory first."

- That is FALSE.  Taking the moral high ground includes the act of seizing it from neutral territory.  One does not need to have it prior to taking it.

/You are worse than Hitler.
//Make that two Hitlers.
 
2013-04-22 10:00:35 PM  

luxup: Jeez, are you people every happy!


Never.
 
2013-04-22 10:02:01 PM  

Leet Jesus: hubiestubert: The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.

He does? Where?

Note to Drew: I'd actually pay $5 a month if you had better quality trolls.

I think he might mean the folks who want to see him actually be tried. Apparently wanting to see justice done and served is "defending" him.
You know, as opposed to defending our legal system, and having faith in our judicial system, and the Constitution. I can see how some folks might equate that with "defending him" as opposed to simply shooting him in the face after several hours of strapping his 'nads to a car battery.
They seem to forget wee things like justice and law when they get scared. It sort of shows their cowardice, but that's not all that surprising.
[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 300x300]

"In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy that territory first."

- That is FALSE.  Taking the moral high ground includes the act of seizing it from neutral territory.  One does not need to have it prior to taking it.

/You are worse than Hitler.
//Make that two Hitlers.


To take the moral high ground, you must first kill the people who are occupying it to begin with, rape their women, and swing their children by their feet and smash their brains out on lampposts.
 
2013-04-22 10:02:13 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe the liberals are starting to back this guy - starting to make this guy a cause - just unreal to me - hope they reason it out, come up with something better.


That's like calling Alex Jones a moderate republican.  These are not liberals.  They are dumb.  Just as dumb as a right wing extremest.  Plus, unlike the RWE they are harmless because you know they don't vote.
 
2013-04-22 10:02:35 PM  

NSFW

Free Ja Hair

 
2013-04-22 10:04:23 PM  
Are they calling themselves...

JAHAR-HEADS?
 
2013-04-22 10:05:15 PM  

TalenLee: Jon Ronson, speaking about Alex Jones, indicated that Jones comes out of his nutty room from time to time, but knows that long visits there are part of his bread and butter. In this regard, it makes Alex more horrible a human being - someone who knows that in his work there is some manipulation, some deceit - but is willing to do that, in the name of money and ego.


Everyone should read this:

d.gr-assets.com

His story about infiltrating the Bohemian Grove with Jones is hilarious. Ronson sees a bunch of old white guys acting like frat boys and Jones sees some nefarious Satanic occult ritual and totally pisses his pants.
 
2013-04-22 10:05:47 PM  

traylor: NSFW

Free Ja Hair


Hmm.
 
2013-04-22 10:07:12 PM  

jaytkay: fusillade762: "He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

Stopped reading right there. If you can't at least get your basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time.

The article was written and posted before the criminal complaint was announced.


Ah, my bad.
 
2013-04-22 10:07:33 PM  

Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.


Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.
 
2013-04-22 10:08:10 PM  

sirrerun: I think "ideology" is just an excuse for him -- he's a thrill killer/serial killer in the making, and saw his brother's radicalism as an entré into his darkest fantasies.


That's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking.

Apparently converted to Islam, but friends were largely unaware, and didn't even really know he was religious. What do you wanna bet he converted to show his brother he was down with "the cause," but really didn't give a shiat about it personally? Because given everyone else was surprised about it, his brother is apparently the only one he was interested in posturing for, as far as the Islam thing.

The fact that the older brother didn't isolate the younger brother, also points more to the fact that the younger brother was the one doing the brainwashing. The younger brother still had lots of friends, went to school, etc.
The older one is the one who stopped going to the gym, had a friend who was murdered, was alienated, and was in the position to be brainwashed by someone, including his younger brother.
 
2013-04-22 10:08:19 PM  
How many people do you need for a cult? 13?
 
2013-04-22 10:08:52 PM  
d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-04-22 10:09:05 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: Most people have at least someone that doesn't like them, but you're not seeing ANYONE coming out going "Yeah, I never liked him, he just rubbed me the wrong way," at all. The family defends him, friends can't believe he did it, even given video evidence.
EVERYONE liked him, and that's not really normal, especially after a horrible act that should have people coming out of the woodwork with negative comments.


Everyone likes me (except on Fark), I'm pretty sure I'd get the same reaction if I was accused of something (let's hope that never happens). You may be correct in your sociopath theory for him. Though I think I need more information before I make any judgments.
 
2013-04-22 10:09:24 PM  

fusillade762: TalenLee: Jon Ronson, speaking about Alex Jones, indicated that Jones comes out of his nutty room from time to time, but knows that long visits there are part of his bread and butter. In this regard, it makes Alex more horrible a human being - someone who knows that in his work there is some manipulation, some deceit - but is willing to do that, in the name of money and ego.

Everyone should read this:

[d.gr-assets.com image 261x400]

His story about infiltrating the Bohemian Grove with Jones is hilarious. Ronson sees a bunch of old white guys acting like frat boys and Jones sees some nefarious Satanic occult ritual and totally pisses his pants.


Youtube up "Secret Rulers of the World," and look for the ep on Bohemian Grove. Alex Jones in the wild.
 
2013-04-22 10:10:34 PM  
It is amazing that young teens are able to troll the media into thinking that they actually believe this. Attention whoring will always go on when people can get online and be protected behind a computer.
 
2013-04-22 10:11:26 PM  

luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.


People who think that life in solitary is better than death have never done a day inside.
I don't oppose the death penalty because I am not vengeful. I oppose the death penalty because I AM
vengeful.
 
2013-04-22 10:11:51 PM  
Death-row inmates receive many unsolicited marriage requests.

People are morans.
 
2013-04-22 10:13:05 PM  

viceland.com

FREE JAFFEE!

 
2013-04-22 10:14:27 PM  
Why does the media even give credence to this BS.  Wouldn't they just go away or at least stay confined to their little crazy groups w/o the "media" reporting on every crazy *sshole who posts something on twitter?
 
2013-04-22 10:15:01 PM  

Great Janitor: jaytkay: Great Janitor: jaytkay: Great Janitor: This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?

Islamists are conservatives.

That's it???  Still makes no sense given that they don't like each other.

I was being flippant but the statement is true.

American conservatives and Islamic militants are not deliberately cooperating.

But they are working for the same goal of ruining the lives of normal people.

And what has the Conservatives done to ruin the lives of normal people?


If you are honestly asking that question then gays and women are not "normal people" to you.
 
2013-04-22 10:16:27 PM  
So this is what Ben Franklin meant when he coined the term "totes cray-cray".
 
2013-04-22 10:16:28 PM  

FriarReb98: luxup: FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out

The one they stripped naked?  If it's that guy he was all over the news for a bit.  Was he pissed?

No, I forget where that one was, actually.  The one I'm talking about happened at the ferry from New London to Port Jefferson IIRC.  He got pinned to the ground by officials with rifles, cuffed, interrogated, and then let go once they figured out he was the wrong guy.  I guess the fact that he's two years older, is from the town over from where the bomber went to school, and just generally doesn't think, act or sound like a disgruntled Muslim from Chechnya wasn't enough of a dead giveaway.

\his father is  pissed too...


In all fairness how would they know he was 2 years older, from the town over and that he didn't think like a disgruntled Muslim?  They are looking for a guy and a guy pops out that apparently fits a general description.  Unless you are saying that at night there is no way this guy could have looked similar to the the suspect. How did they know that he wouldn't pull out a grenade and throw it at them?

If you were a cop wouldn't you think that maybe he could be lying or should they approach all suspects as if they were harmless?
 
2013-04-22 10:17:29 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: Everyone likes me (except on Fark), I'm pretty sure I'd get the same reaction if I was accused of something (let's hope that never happens).


You don't necessarily know if everyone likes you until they have reason to come out and say otherwise. Unless you really piss people off there's no reason for anyone to act like they don't like you to your face, or even mention it to someone else. Most people aren't gonna go "Yeah, the guy was a farking asshole" until after you do something bad that causes it to be socially acceptable for them to say that.
Or you're a delusional prick, and just don't notice/ignore when someone has an issue with you :p

You also probably haven't committed an act that shows malicious and violent intent toward people, but if you have and people are still defending you because you're awesome, well, I'd suggest you're a sociopath too. :D
 
2013-04-22 10:19:11 PM  
I wonder if people are just mistaking him for Sanjaya...
 
2013-04-22 10:19:34 PM  
i.imgur.com

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?
 
2013-04-22 10:21:07 PM  

jso2897: luxup: Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!

No, they aren't every happy. They are just some of the happys.


//Touché
 
2013-04-22 10:22:37 PM  
Step 1: Find someone with Photoshop skills
Step 2: Substitute head of 'Che Guevara' with 'Dzhokhar Tsarnaev'
Step 3: Create T-shirts
Step 4: Sell to hipsters and islamic terrorists
Step 5: Profit
Step 6: Live amazing life yet feel like a sell out for taking advantage of morons who think a man who put a bomb next to bunch of children and murdered an 8-yr old then followed it up with a killing and bombing spree is innocent.
Step 7: Die
Step 8: Go to Hell
 
2013-04-22 10:22:41 PM  

Slappajo: Why does the media even give credence to this BS.  Wouldn't they just go away or at least stay confined to their little crazy groups w/o the "media" reporting on every crazy *sshole who posts something on twitter?


MONEY

Ratings, clicks, views...they all bring in advertisers, and advertisers pay.
 
2013-04-22 10:23:54 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This forum is a disapointment at times.  This thread is on of them.


But I bet I will see you down thread. Instead of leaving you will continue.
 
2013-04-22 10:25:49 PM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


yes, a great deal. Insurmountable, even.
 
2013-04-22 10:26:15 PM  
www.monstersandcritics.de

Of course, this was the series premier of the real life Running Man.  Sadly, Ben Richards does not approve of this arsehat's exploits.
 
2013-04-22 10:27:48 PM  

bunner: Hector Remarkable: Hating on America? When did this start?

About an hour and a half after we told the English we weren't going to send them any more turpentine or pine tar.


I'm not sure how the turpentine worked out but man! They were pissed about the pine tar.

/really
//almost grounded their fleet
 
2013-04-22 10:29:15 PM  

luxup: Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!


Tuesday:

Drawing the conclusion that those two did the bombing from video and photos of the marathon is racial profiling.
 
2013-04-22 10:29:36 PM  
                                         i812.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 10:31:11 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Are they calling themselves...

JAHAR-HEADS?


That pisses me off and I'm no Marien

Ihaveanevilparrot: sirrerun: I think "ideology" is just an excuse for him -- he's a thrill killer/serial killer in the making, and saw his brother's radicalism as an entré into his darkest fantasies.

That's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking.

Apparently converted to Islam, but friends were largely unaware, and didn't even really know he was religious. What do you wanna bet he converted to show his brother he was down with "the cause," but really didn't give a shiat about it personally? Because given everyone else was surprised about it, his brother is apparently the only one he was interested in posturing for, as far as the Islam thing.

The fact that the older brother didn't isolate the younger brother, also points more to the fact that the younger brother was the one doing the brainwashing. The younger brother still had lots of friends, went to school, etc.
The older one is the one who stopped going to the gym, had a friend who was murdered, was alienated, and was in the position to be brainwashed by someone, including his younger brother.


Ihaveanevilparrot: sirrerun: I think "ideology" is just an excuse for him -- he's a thrill killer/serial killer in the making, and saw his brother's radicalism as an entré into his darkest fantasies.

That's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking.

Apparently converted to Islam, but friends were largely unaware, and didn't even really know he was religious. What do you wanna bet he converted to show his brother he was down with "the cause," but really didn't give a shiat about it personally? Because given everyone else was surprised about it, his brother is apparently the only one he was interested in posturing for, as far as the Islam thing.

The fact that the older brother didn't isolate the younger brother, also points more to the fact that the younger brother was the one doing the brainwashing. The younger brother still had lots of friends, went to school, etc.
The older one is the one who stopped going to the gym, had a friend who was murdered, was alienated, and was in the position to be brainwashed by someone, including his younger brother.


Well it sounds like this kid starting avoiding his friends about a year ago.  Plus, I'm sure this didn't help if it turns out to be true...

"But  their uncle Ruslan Tsarni said the mother was a bad influence on her sons, and introduced them to Islamic fundametalism by inviting a hardline cleric to give inflammatory lessons at the family's kitchen table."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tamerlan-tsarnaev-words-mot he r-love-article-1.1324117
 
2013-04-22 10:31:16 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe the liberals are starting to back this guy - starting to make this guy a cause - just unreal to me - hope they reason it out, come up with something better.


Some random kooks != "liberals".

Guess what, not every, or not even a substantial minority people with a left-of-center political bent think this guy was framed or there was a conspiracy.  These guys are minority weirdos, not a representative sample of "liberals". . .

. . .unless you agree that every "conservative" thought that Tim McVeigh was set up as part of an elaborate plan by Clinton and the New World Order to declare martial law on January 1, 2000. . .or that there are entire divisions of Chinese PLA soldiers sitting in abandoned salt mines beneath Detroit awaiting orders to come to the surface and invade the USA, or that the Titles of Nobility Amendment was ratified in the 1790's but a huge conspiracy of lawyers hides the fact because by using the title "Esquire" to describe themselves as attorneys they forfeit their citizenship, or that by making a carefully worded announcement in a newspaper you become "sovereign" and unaffected by US law and only answer to 18th century English Common Law, or that the IRS is unconstitutional and paying Federal income tax is secretly voluntary, or that by having a gold fringe on a flag it becomes a military flag and any court performed with that present becomes a military courtroom ("conservative" conspiracy/fringe theories with about as much backing as the guys on the left backing Tsarnaev)
 
2013-04-22 10:32:03 PM  
Free Jahar?  Fark that.  Invade Russia!!!!
 
2013-04-22 10:33:36 PM  

Marine1: luxup: Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!

Tuesday:

Drawing the conclusion that those two did the bombing from video and photos of the marathon is racial profiling.


Oh yeah, I remember that...guy
 
2013-04-22 10:37:27 PM  

skullkrusher: Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?

yes, a great deal. Insurmountable, even.


B-but there's no blood in the boat!

Study it out.
 
2013-04-22 10:38:36 PM  
Jesus. People are stupid. Not enough blood? Evidence too too long to assemble? We need to come up with a humanity test. If you fail we load you onto a rocket and shoot you into the sun.
 
2013-04-22 10:39:00 PM  
1) As far as actual culpability goes, Dzhokhar's supporters - like his mother - will say the evidence is ALL fake, ALL made up, an elaborate conspiracy to frame. Considering the mountain of evidence, it's probably not a bad tactic for a defense attorney.

2) However, for those of us without actual access to question the actual investigators, and without personally auditing the crime lab, there is this data point:

• When the fellow in the blue track suit was accused of being the terrorist, he posted "OMG, I'm going to the courthouse right away, you'll see I didn't do anything!" And was duly ruled out as a suspect.

• Dzhokhar on the other hand, got into a gun battle with police when they tried to stop him, and fled the scene where his brother was killed. Instead of turning himself in, in the first place. Additionally, he held the police at bay when they finally cornered him.

Quite a stark difference between in responses between someone who is innocent and someone who is guilty.
 
2013-04-22 10:39:58 PM  
"He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence"

ok, but what is your TF handle so we can really get down to discussing this?
 
2013-04-22 10:41:59 PM  
Here's the spot his brother died.
 
2013-04-22 10:43:32 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Here's the spot his brother died.


USA? Jeez, people are tacky.
 
2013-04-22 10:44:21 PM  
You poor yankees, you just don't know how to cover up a hate crime. It's all that fancy technology that's givin you fits.
 
2013-04-22 10:46:44 PM  

nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11


Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.


Two of these are not the same as the third.
 
2013-04-22 10:49:08 PM  

ariseatex: JerseyTim: I'd rather free Jafar.

[www.clubjosh.com image 600x450]

Nevar forget.


dude, kree!
 
2013-04-22 10:49:12 PM  
I really wish that stupid killed sperm.
 
2013-04-22 10:50:29 PM  
Step 1: Locate a bunch of brainless female teenagers/college brats who want to free this asshole.
Step 2: Throw your support in with them.
Step 3 Profit.

/hey, that's what we did during the 60s/70s. Protest Pussy is nice pussy.
 
2013-04-22 10:50:38 PM  

jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.


The number of American conservatives who have actually read AND understood Rand's works is very, very low.
 
2013-04-22 10:50:54 PM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


You sold me. Those grainy, far away shots are conclusive proof the guy was set up.

/I was also convinced by a small fire set within a chicken wire "building"
 
2013-04-22 10:52:20 PM  

indylaw: I really wish that stupid killed sperm.


If that were possible men everywhere would be taking stupid pills so that they could say they didn't have to wear a condom.
 
2013-04-22 10:52:43 PM  
In the unlikely event he cannot be prosecuted for the bombings, Capone him; Try him for a hit and run fratricide.
 
2013-04-22 10:53:16 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.

Two of these are not the same as the third.


Do tell.
 
2013-04-22 10:53:22 PM  

Marine1: luxup: Fark boards:

Monday:
I'm not saying he's a Middle Eastern terrorist...but he's a Middle Eastern terrorist.

Tuesday:
The Government is behind it, false flag.

Wednesday:
I'm not saying it's those two kids in track suits at the Marathon...but it's them.  What?  They look Middle Eastern you say?  Had not really noticed, I'm just looking at the evidence.

Thursday:
Not the kids. Well, hey...did you hear the one about the college kid who disappeared about a month ago? (I was actually guilty of this one toward the end of the day)

Thursday Night:
H-O-L-Y CRAP!!!  It's just terrible everything that's happening but I just can't stop listening to the scanner.  This is more riveting than any action movie I have ever seen, EVER!

Friday:
What's taking so long?  Why don't they search where he is instead of where he's not?  How did he get away so long?  He's probably dead.  Scanner?  Not as good as Thursday night but not bad, plus we got him.  Yea!

Saturday:
Martial Law!!!  Government sucks, yeah we got the guy but so what?  They had to ASK permission to enter and search people's houses.  Damn if I'll let some cop in my house to search for a madman on the loose in my city.  If they don't specifically have evidence showing him curled up behind my couch then I ain't letting them in.  If he is here, well then hell, I would take care of it myself.

Sunday:
God's day.  We rest.

Monday:
The Government sucks!  No Miranda!  They took to long!

Jeez, are you people every happy!

Tuesday:

Drawing the conclusion that those two did the bombing from video and photos of the marathon is racial profiling.


I don't think you were ever actually a soldier in the Marine Core.
 
2013-04-22 10:53:30 PM  
You may not like it (and I find it distasteful as well), but what these people are doing is helping keep america free. When these "fringe" groups go silent (are silenced), that's when it's time to pack your bags to leave the country.
 
2013-04-22 10:53:41 PM  

luxup: "But  their uncle Ruslan Tsarni said the mother was a bad influence on her sons, and introduced them to Islamic fundametalism by inviting a hardline cleric to give inflammatory lessons at the family's kitchen table."


That wouldn't surprise me. How often does a good parent raise a couple of sociopaths or murderers? I'm sure it happens, but I doubt it's common. With one kid I could see it being an anomaly, but with both I'm gonna take a good hard look at whoever raised them.

As far as avoiding friends for a year, I have not seen that. You sure you're not thinking of the older one? He stopped going to his gym and socializing with people quite awhile go.
The younger one, there are friends that saw him just the other day, before and after the bombings. He may have fallen out of communication with some older friends (he just graduated in 2011, how many of us keep up with all our hs friends?) but that's pretty normal. He still had friends at college as far as I can tell, and they were regular kids, not radicals.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/bombing-suspects-friend-this-is-th e- jahar-i-knew/story-fndir2ev-1226625646621
 
2013-04-22 10:54:34 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.

Two of these are not the same as the third.


Yup.  The moon landing was an inside job.  The government was behind the whole thing.
 
2013-04-22 10:54:35 PM  
He's innocent right now.

Once the trial is over, he likely won't be.
 
2013-04-22 10:56:05 PM  

duenor: You may not like it (and I find it distasteful as well), but what these people are doing is helping keep america free. When these "fringe" groups go silent (are silenced), that's when it's time to pack your bags to leave the country.


Yeah, that's true - and after the age of  fifty or so, regular coloscopies are probably a good idea.
But they're still a pain in the ass.
 
2013-04-22 10:56:18 PM  

This Face Left Blank: bunner: This Face Left Blank: If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups, everybody would agree with me!


Did you RTFA?  Some of them are saying the bombing was FAKED.  Go on and defend that as not intensely stupid.  Do it.  There's room on my ignore list, and I have no issues ignoring people that would defend that patently insane idea.  In fact, I wish everyone who was that idiotic would so clearly show themselves to be.


I'm not defending this sh*tbag, I'm attacking the dismissive, insulting rhetoric that is the precise flavor of hate these jerks sell.
 
2013-04-22 10:58:47 PM  

LordJiro: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.

Two of these are not the same as the third.

Do tell.


Two involved aeronautics.
Two involved killing people.
Two involved Texas.

Still not sure which he's talking about, though.
 
2013-04-22 10:58:57 PM  
On a side note I would totally pork Karren-Finney. But yeah I thibk parenting is important.
 
2013-04-22 10:59:29 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Death-row inmates receive many unsolicited marriage requests.

People are morans.


No matter how heinous the crime, there are going to be groupies for the offender:

1) Ted Bundy had death row groupies.

2) Joran Van der Sloot actually managed to impregnate a third woman while incarcerated for murdering another, and suspected in yet a second murder.

3) Lyle and Erik Menendez were married to women on the outside, while in prison.

4) If you watch the PBS Frontline documentary, "Angel on Death Row", the relationship between spiritual advisors and the capital murderers is very close, often couched in romantic terms. FYI, the murderer Robert Lee Willie was the real life model for the lead character in Dead Man Walking. Sister Helen Prejean became a celebrity after this documentary.

If you google "prison pen pals" or "death row pen pals", there are quite a few search results.
 
2013-04-22 11:02:13 PM  

jso2897: I don't think you were ever actually a soldier in the Marine Core.


Oh, come one man.

There has to be a way to get a third one in there. Don't quit so early.
 
2013-04-22 11:02:30 PM  
 
2013-04-22 11:04:59 PM  

potterydove: He's innocent right now.

Once the trial is over, he likely won't be.


Actually no, there's:

1) De facto guilt - whether he actually did the crime in reality.

2) De jure guilt - what his culpability status is in the eyes of the criminal justice system.
 
2013-04-22 11:05:55 PM  

JungleBoogie: BuckTurgidson: Death-row inmates receive many unsolicited marriage requests.

People are morans.

No matter how heinous the crime, there are going to be groupies for the offender:

1) Ted Bundy had death row groupies.

2) Joran Van der Sloot actually managed to impregnate a third woman while incarcerated for murdering another, and suspected in yet a second murder.

3) Lyle and Erik Menendez were married to women on the outside, while in prison.

4) If you watch the PBS Frontline documentary, "Angel on Death Row", the relationship between spiritual advisors and the capital murderers is very close, often couched in romantic terms. FYI, the murderer Robert Lee Willie was the real life model for the lead character in Dead Man Walking. Sister Helen Prejean became a celebrity after this documentary.

If you google "prison pen pals" or "death row pen pals", there are quite a few search results.


Hell, Richard Ramirez was married on death row.
 
2013-04-22 11:07:18 PM  

JungleBoogie: 1) As far as actual culpability goes, Dzhokhar's supporters - like his mother - will say the evidence is ALL fake, ALL made up, an elaborate conspiracy to frame. Considering the mountain of evidence, it's probably not a bad tactic for a defense attorney.

2) However, for those of us without actual access to question the actual investigators, and without personally auditing the crime lab, there is this data point:

• When the fellow in the blue track suit was accused of being the terrorist, he posted "OMG, I'm going to the courthouse right away, you'll see I didn't do anything!" And was duly ruled out as a suspect.

• Dzhokhar on the other hand, got into a gun battle with police when they tried to stop him, and fled the scene where his brother was killed. Instead of turning himself in, in the first place. Additionally, he held the police at bay when they finally cornered him.

Quite a stark difference between in responses between someone who is innocent and someone who is guilty.


His mother lived in Soviet Chechnya. That's why she thinks the government is full of shiat. When the government lies to the people, everything is a possible conspiracy.
 
2013-04-22 11:10:07 PM  

bunner: This Face Left Blank: bunner: This Face Left Blank: If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups, everybody would agree with me!


Did you RTFA?  Some of them are saying the bombing was FAKED.  Go on and defend that as not intensely stupid.  Do it.  There's room on my ignore list, and I have no issues ignoring people that would defend that patently insane idea.  In fact, I wish everyone who was that idiotic would so clearly show themselves to be.

I'm not defending this sh*tbag, I'm attacking the dismissive, insulting rhetoric that is the precise flavor of hate these jerks sell.



Oh.  I really didn't see that at all.  Apologies.
/Had you Farkied as pretty reasonable, so was surprised by it anyway.
 
2013-04-22 11:10:41 PM  

duenor: You may not like it (and I find it distasteful as well), but what these people are doing is helping keep america free. When these "fringe" groups go silent (are silenced), that's when it's time to pack your bags to leave the country.


Um, no.  It's a bit like saying that viruses help keep us healthy.  I get what you are trying to say but the time and effort that is being wasted by these 'fringe' groups is hurting the country.  Like with a virus, better to neutralize it and concentrate on overall health.

As it is they are pandered too to the point that intelligent people in power can't make a common sense decision.  For example, when a politician is more worried about a fringe group of gun supporters we have a problem.

I believe that if these fringe groups could display some common sense or can actually be consistently defeated politically, then that's when we will see the type of America we can all be proud of.
 
2013-04-22 11:14:22 PM  
These ducebags need to be rounded up and sent on a 1 way trip to the deepest darkest shiathole in the Middle east.
 
2013-04-22 11:15:15 PM  
They must be dzhoking.
 
2013-04-22 11:16:03 PM  

Esn: The bombing was a heinous act and the person responsible should be punished.

I haven't been following the story very closely, so I'm not really sure if he's guilty or not. Does anyone know of a good site with a full rundown of the evidence proving that he's the one responsible (with his brother)?

Also, is there a place where the claims of these skeptics are debunked?

Unfortunately, the terrorist did succeed in causing enormous damage out of all proportion to the resources put in.  Something like $333 million.


It's called a courtroom. You'll see all the evidence against him since he gets a public trial just like every other common criminal. He's a murdering baffoon, not an anti-government activist.
 
2013-04-22 11:16:24 PM  
Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.
 
2013-04-22 11:16:46 PM  

jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.


I had no idea that liberals were against affirmative action, hate crime laws, and other legislation that is based on identifying from the collective to which a person belongs instead of individuality. Tell me more about it.

Also, please tell me more about the individualistic tax policy advocated by liberals that makes no distinction between so called class.

And while you're at it please tell me about how liberals opposed new sweeping national gun control measures affecting everyone because of the actions of a few individuals.

Tell me how pro-individual you are.
 
2013-04-22 11:18:13 PM  
The younger one, there are friends that saw him just the other day, before and after the bombings. He may have fallen out of communication with some older friends (he just graduated in 2011, how many of us keep up with all our hs friends?) but that's pretty normal. He still had friends at college as far as I can tell, and they were regular kids, not radicals.

That must have been it.  I was basing that on the reports I read just as we were finding out who he was before they started interviewing his college...I don't want to call them friends but, you know what I mean.
 
2013-04-22 11:19:08 PM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: Charming attractive guy, so much so that has friends had no idea he was remotely capable of doing anything bad to people at all, and didn't say anything even when they saw the pics and it looked just like him.
And even people online try to make all kinds of excuses for him "He's just a kid, his brother probably brainwashed him, maybe he didn't even know what was going on."
Why? Because nothing on his twitter feed or anything his friends have said shows he's anything but a regular young kid. He's not. No doubt he's good at acting the part, but he comes off as way too "normal" for it to be genuine, yet still do what he did.
In fact I think there may even be a chance he used his brothers radicalization to  convince HIM to go through with the acts. His brother seemed somewhat impulsive and alienated, but he was pretty transparent, even attracting fbi attention - not cunning. Everyone knew something was amiss with him, even if they didn't think he'd go this far, and the fact that he ended up with domestic violence charges also shows impulsive behavior. However, the younger brother seems very intelligent, and had everyone convinced he was practically a saint.

I've seen the vid and the way he was smiling and acting calm, even after the blast, along with how he totally snowed his friends and family into thinking he was this sweet and  fine upstanding young man, convinces me that he is likely a sociopath. A true sociopath you'll almost never suspect is capable of anything until they get caught red handed. Add some narcissism in and it explains the whole backward hat not even trying to really hide identity "try and catch me" thing. He even went back to school and acted absolutely normal after the bombing, other than a friend saying he seemed a little down. That's not the mark of someone that accidentally got caught up in his brothers crap and didn't know what was going. It's the behavior or someone who is used to putting on an act for the public.

So yeah, point being I was ...


This
 
2013-04-22 11:23:47 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.



CSB!

We could have an article about catsup and someone will comment about how religion is bad. Everyone here gets it. Next time try to tie into the story, article or other comments.
 
2013-04-22 11:24:34 PM  
I think it is a great idea. Yes, release him in downtown Boston.
 
2013-04-22 11:25:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.


I give up. What is it that you believe in?
 
2013-04-22 11:26:19 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-22 11:26:44 PM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


So, he didn't put a bullet in his own self?  Hmmm?
 
2013-04-22 11:27:22 PM  
He's cute and young. And looks like a cross between a baby Bob Dylan and a puppy. In a boy band, he would be the pretty one. So, this happening is no surprise to me.

If was 58 and looked like shaved scrotum, his "fanbase" would barely be a blip.

You could have a photo of this kid holding up a sign saying "I did it!" With him standing over the victims, pointing and laughing and people would still claim he is innocent because, again, he "doesn't look the type." That and other people will believe that the government is behind everything bad that happens to the country. Whether it's a bombing or the soda machine swallowing up your change.

/and if you think twitter is bad, stay off of tumblr
//he's got fangirls AND fanboys by the bucket full
 
2013-04-22 11:28:32 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.


So the Americans in the Bible belt that are obese, and/or drive to church in an SUV, are doing it because they're in need of food. I had no idea.
 
2013-04-22 11:28:43 PM  

badhatharry: His mother lived in Soviet Chechnya. That's why she thinks the government is full of shiat. When the government lies to the people, everything is a possible conspiracy.


Yeah, I don't actually blame his parents. They grew up in an environment where it was necessary to disbelieve the local government, news and official narrative just to survive. So this doesn't surprise me at all.
 
2013-04-22 11:35:32 PM  

USP .45: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

I had no idea that liberals were against affirmative action, hate crime laws, and other legislation that is based on identifying from the collective to which a person belongs instead of individuality. Tell me more about it.

Also, please tell me more about the individualistic tax policy advocated by liberals that makes no distinction between so called class.

And while you're at it please tell me about how liberals opposed new sweeping national gun control measures affecting everyone because of the actions of a few individuals.

Tell me how pro-individual you are.


So: You think it's a big deal that somebody blew up some people because thay think "Allah" is important. But it doesn't bother you that somebody blew up more people because thy thought "profit" was important.
Plus: Your mother is a whore.
 
2013-04-22 11:36:11 PM  

jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.


There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.
 
2013-04-22 11:37:35 PM  

randomjsa: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.


Well, there you go then: You must abandon your Crusade.
 
2013-04-22 11:38:54 PM  
Islamic militants are the very definition of conspiracy theorists, which is why conspiracy theorists in general often blur the line between utterly stupid and monumentally dangerous. Make no mistake - the same folks that scream this a false flag are the same folks who believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and that 9/11 was orchestrated by George Bush and/or Mossad. Alex Jones and the vast majority of fundie clerics are similar in this regard. The only difference is that Islamists back up their delusions by killing people, and these other folks back up their delusions by killing people's brain cells.
 
2013-04-22 11:39:37 PM  

Somacandra: badhatharry: His mother lived in Soviet Chechnya. That's why she thinks the government is full of shiat. When the government lies to the people, everything is a possible conspiracy.

Yeah, I don't actually blame his parents. They grew up in an environment where it was necessary to disbelieve the local government, news and official narrative just to survive. So this doesn't surprise me at all.


Grew up? Fun fact that evetyome seems to have missed - the Russian crackdown in Chechnya over the past 20 years is actually taught in US colleges as an example of terrorism conducted by a state actor.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-22 11:39:41 PM  

great_tigers: We could have an article about catsup and someone will comment about how religion is bad. Everyone here gets it. Next time try to tie into the story, article or other comments.


Apparently catsup is not as sexy as florid in the water...

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=34358
 
2013-04-22 11:45:18 PM  

seadoo2006: Islamic militants are the very definition of conspiracy theorists, which is why conspiracy theorists in general often blur the line between utterly stupid and monumentally dangerous. Make no mistake - the same folks that scream this a false flag are the same folks who believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and that 9/11 was orchestrated by George Bush and/or Mossad. Alex Jones and the vast majority of fundie clerics are similar in this regard. The only difference is that Islamists back up their delusions by killing people, and these other folks back up their delusions by killing people's brain cells.


This. And, of course, there are too many people anyway.
So it doesn't really matter.
Cholesterol will kill 1000 people for every one Islamic terrorism kills.
 
2013-04-22 11:45:55 PM  
alex jones is a false flag
 
2013-04-22 11:47:25 PM  

KimNorth: Triumph: KimNorth:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 318x239]


THE SAUDI WILL BE DEPORTED MARK MY WORDS!!!


If he did something wrong that he should be deported for, sure. Why not?


//I'm sure the answer is here
 
2013-04-22 11:48:52 PM  

AdamK: alex jones is a false flag


Hahahaha.
 
2013-04-22 11:49:42 PM  
I blame Obama and/or Bush and their socialist and/or fascist agendas. Obama and/or Bush is trying to seize the government and become president for life. This is all a false flag operation by FEMA and/or DHS.

/am I doing it right?
 
2013-04-22 11:49:47 PM  
Here is one of his support groups on vkontakte if anyone is interested...

http://vk.com/johar_tamerlan

cs417531.vk.me
 
2013-04-22 11:55:24 PM  

jso2897: So: You think it's a big deal that somebody blew up some people because thay think "Allah" is important. But it doesn't bother you that somebody blew up more people because thy thought "profit" was important.


I don't think it's a big deal, I think it's just a fact in this instance. If it were a big deal clearly the only thing to do would be some sweeping controls on those practicing Islam. Here is where people differ: Some are afraid to call out the Islamic factor for fear of offending the Islamic collective (looks at you), whereas others have no problem doing so because I trust other Muslims to not get butthurt over me simply acknowledging facts that happen to include their religion, and I won't patronize them collectively by withholding opinion for fear of some individuals taking offense.

As far as blowing up people for profit, I don't see Apple and Google blowing people up for profit. Blackwater USA, yeah I suppose they did blow people up for profit. How convenient that corporations are treated as individuals, we can judge them individually and not make worthless internet comments condemning all for-profit companies as a murderous collective - that'd be really 'conservative,' but I hear you're a 'liberal' that is pro-individual.
 
2013-04-22 11:56:07 PM  

SmallFurryThingInACaveGrooving: Here is one of his support groups on vkontakte if anyone is interested...

http://vk.com/johar_tamerlan

[cs417531.vk.me image 604x603]


I hope Alex Jones posts that to the front page of InfoWars and his Twitter to make his asshattery even more obvious.
 
2013-04-22 11:56:29 PM  

randomjsa: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.


The problem with that as I see it are that individuals, when concerned mainly about themselves as individuals tend to be, try to justify their actions by claiming to be standing up for me when they are in fact acting selfishly.

When you stick your hands over your ears, dismiss every common sense point and only agree with those who agree with you then well, we all have a problem because there is no greater enemy to democracy than self centered selfishness.
 
2013-04-22 11:59:52 PM  
"He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

I...what? Maybe it's time do do something about that meth problem. When was the last time you slept?
 
2013-04-23 12:00:36 AM  

luxup: The problem with that as I see it are that individuals, when concerned mainly about themselves as individuals tend to be, try to justify their actions by claiming to be standing up for me when they are in fact acting selfishly.

When you stick your hands over your ears, dismiss every common sense point and only agree with those who agree with you then well, we all have a problem because there is no greater enemy to democracy than self centered selfishness.


"Why do these rubes keep voting Republican when it isn't in their self interest!? They'd get more if they just voted with us." -TF
 
2013-04-23 12:06:31 AM  

USP .45: jso2897: So: You think it's a big deal that somebody blew up some people because thay think "Allah" is important. But it doesn't bother you that somebody blew up more people because thy thought "profit" was important.

I don't think it's a big deal, I think it's just a fact in this instance. If it were a big deal clearly the only thing to do would be some sweeping controls on those practicing Islam. Here is where people differ: Some are afraid to call out the Islamic factor for fear of offending the Islamic collective (looks at you), whereas others have no problem doing so because I trust other Muslims to not get butthurt over me simply acknowledging facts that happen to include their religion, and I won't patronize them collectively by withholding opinion for fear of some individuals taking offense.

As far as blowing up people for profit, I don't see Apple and Google blowing people up for profit. Blackwater USA, yeah I suppose they did blow people up for profit. How convenient that corporations are treated as individuals, we can judge them individually and not make worthless internet comments condemning all for-profit companies as a murderous collective - that'd be really 'conservative,' but I hear you're a 'liberal' that is pro-individual.


So we agree: Capitalists with no conscience, and Islamists with no conscience constitute an equal threat.
 
2013-04-23 12:06:38 AM  
How long before he gets a professorship at Columbia?
 
2013-04-23 12:08:09 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.


That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.
 
2013-04-23 12:11:42 AM  

o5iiawah: How long before he gets a professorship at Columbia?


About the time the grandson of a Nazi simpathyser gets to be president.
Oh, wait - that already happened.
 
2013-04-23 12:13:10 AM  

steamingpile: propasaurus: This just in: Some people are assholes.

Most of them are on TF


HEY!
 
2013-04-23 12:13:51 AM  

jso2897: o5iiawah: How long before he gets a professorship at Columbia?

About the time the grandson of a Nazi simpathyser gets to be president.
Oh, wait - that already happened.


Joseph was JFK's father, not his grandfather.
 
2013-04-23 12:14:39 AM  

doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.


Totally. Atheism was the problem with the Soviet Union. Sufficient religion might have transformed it into ... the Tsarsom.

Again.
 
2013-04-23 12:15:55 AM  


FREE JABBA!!!

 
2013-04-23 12:16:04 AM  

jso2897: So we agree: Capitalists with no conscience, and Islamists with no conscience constitute an equal threat.


I can't overlook that if there was criminal negligence at that Waco fertilizer plant, then in the month of April in America, a company was more of a threat to people's lives than Islamists.

I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material, whereas someone's interpretation of what some god wants could be anything. Then again individuals have different interpretations of profit motive, so yeah it's plausible to have a capitalist from the Captain Planet cartoons.
 
2013-04-23 12:16:06 AM  
Too bad we can't just strike the name of the people that did these things so they won't be held up as martyrs.  I usually wish the death penalty on people like this, but I hope they send him to prison, put him in solitary 23 hours a day and he lives to be 100 years old.  Fark him.
 
2013-04-23 12:16:34 AM  

doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.


So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?
 
2013-04-23 12:16:40 AM  
real life trolls?

c'mon, deep down inside, you always knew they existed.
 
2013-04-23 12:18:12 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Jesus. People are stupid. Not enough blood? Evidence too too long to assemble? We need to come up with a humanity test. If you fail we load you onto a rocket and shoot you into the sun.


Too expensive.  Bullets are much cheaper.
 
2013-04-23 12:18:57 AM  
This is the trolliest thing that ever trolled. He did it. Get over it.
 
2013-04-23 12:19:20 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Too bad we can't just strike the name of the people that did these things so they won't be held up as martyrs.  I usually wish the death penalty on people like this, but I hope they send him to prison, put him in solitary 23 hours a day and he lives to be 100 years old.  Fark him.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Next recommendation?
 
2013-04-23 12:21:23 AM  

USP .45: jso2897: So we agree: Capitalists with no conscience, and Islamists with no conscience constitute an equal threat.

I can't overlook that if there was criminal negligence at that Waco fertilizer plant, then in the month of April in America, a company was more of a threat to people's lives than Islamists.

I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material, whereas someone's interpretation of what some god wants could be anything. Then again individuals have different interpretations of profit motive, so yeah it's plausible to have a capitalist from the Captain Planet cartoons.


Was this about anything religious or an act against Russia on American soil with the death of Americans as an added plus for the radical Muslim fundamentalists?  (takes breath)  A sort of two birds with one stone so to speak.
 
2013-04-23 12:21:31 AM  

USP .45: jso2897: So we agree: Capitalists with no conscience, and Islamists with no conscience constitute an equal threat.

I can't overlook that if there was criminal negligence at that Waco fertilizer plant, then in the month of April in America, a company was more of a threat to people's lives than Islamists.

I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material, whereas someone's interpretation of what some god wants could be anything. Then again individuals have different interpretations of profit motive, so yeah it's plausible to have a capitalist from the Captain Planet cartoons.


This is quite meaningful top you. isn't it?
The future is this: Brown men will f**k your daughter, in the unlikely event that you even have one.
I will kick your ass, and take your gun(s).
Your soft, white, weak ass will lose Darwin's sweepstakes.
You're done.
Dig it.
 
2013-04-23 12:23:10 AM  

USP .45: I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material


You think so, do you?

Explains much.
 
2013-04-23 12:23:12 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Bigdogdaddy: Too bad we can't just strike the name of the people that did these things so they won't be held up as martyrs.  I usually wish the death penalty on people like this, but I hope they send him to prison, put him in solitary 23 hours a day and he lives to be 100 years old.  Fark him.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 278x181]

Next recommendation?


Not sure what you meant by that, but IMHO celebrities should just STFU when it comes to politics unless they decide to run for office.  Just my opinion.
 
2013-04-23 12:24:16 AM  

XD.45: Feral_and_Preposterous: Jesus. People are stupid. Not enough blood? Evidence too too long to assemble? We need to come up with a humanity test. If you fail we load you onto a rocket and shoot you into the sun.

Too expensive.  Bullets are much cheaper.


I just thought the irony of a humanity test that ends to inhumanely for the failures was sweet!
 
2013-04-23 12:24:20 AM  

jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?


They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.
 
2013-04-23 12:25:58 AM  
All this just for conjugal visits?! OK maybe a bit more than that.
 
2013-04-23 12:26:42 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.


Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?
 
2013-04-23 12:27:05 AM  
Is anyone else seeing this where they are trying to tie in some unsolved triple homicide to these guys? Ridiculous.....
 
2013-04-23 12:27:29 AM  

img842.imageshack.us
FREE JABBA!!!!



\damn oversized images
 
2013-04-23 12:28:14 AM  

berylman: Is anyone else seeing this where they are trying to tie in some unsolved triple homicide to these guys? Ridiculous.....


How ids konspiraccy formed?
 
2013-04-23 12:30:12 AM  

berylman: Is anyone else seeing this where they are trying to tie in some unsolved triple homicide to these guys? Ridiculous.....


The older brothers friend(s).  It was last year I believe.  It's fair game for the investigation I think.  Why would you think it doesn't deserve to be looked into?
 
2013-04-23 12:31:21 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: BuckTurgidson: Bigdogdaddy: Too bad we can't just strike the name of the people that did these things so they won't be held up as martyrs.  I usually wish the death penalty on people like this, but I hope they send him to prison, put him in solitary 23 hours a day and he lives to be 100 years old.  Fark him.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 278x181]

Next recommendation?

Not sure what you meant by that, but IMHO celebrities should just STFU when it comes to politics unless they decide to run for office.  Just my opinion.


My meaning was that attempts to "disappear" events and people rightfully will fail because those selfsame attempts draw attention themselves, with the attempted concealment only amplifying the attention originally intended to be evaded.

/can't be troubled to decipher what the rest of your post had to do with anything, but carry on my brother.
 
2013-04-23 12:31:37 AM  

stuffy: These ducebags need to be rounded up and sent on a 1 way trip to the deepest darkest shiathole in the Middle east.


Waste of fuel/too expensive.  May I suggest sending them to Detroit to build Habitat for Humanity home to replace the burned out crack houses?
 
2013-04-23 12:31:50 AM  
This just in: some people are really farking stupid.

i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-23 12:35:46 AM  

BuckTurgidson: USP .45: I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material

You think so, do you?

Explains much.


To be fair - he's not very bright.
 
2013-04-23 12:36:28 AM  

hubiestubert: What in the chocolate covered f*ck?


I'll lay you even odds that at least half of them are teenage girls who are only in this because Dzhokhar is kind of cute.

I base that on the awful misspellings on most of those Tweets.
 
2013-04-23 12:36:58 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Bigdogdaddy: BuckTurgidson: Bigdogdaddy: Too bad we can't just strike the name of the people that did these things so they won't be held up as martyrs.  I usually wish the death penalty on people like this, but I hope they send him to prison, put him in solitary 23 hours a day and he lives to be 100 years old.  Fark him.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 278x181]

Next recommendation?

Not sure what you meant by that, but IMHO celebrities should just STFU when it comes to politics unless they decide to run for office.  Just my opinion.

My meaning was that attempts to "disappear" events and people rightfully will fail because those selfsame attempts draw attention themselves, with the attempted concealment only amplifying the attention originally intended to be evaded.

/can't be troubled to decipher what the rest of your post had to do with anything, but carry on my brother.


I don't understand that either.  You know what that reminds me of?  This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexL-eyZHzo
 
2013-04-23 12:37:24 AM  

jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?


I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.
 
2013-04-23 12:38:13 AM  
He ran over his brother which probably caused him to die. He's guilty of at-least that.
 
2013-04-23 12:44:06 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Bigdogdaddy: BuckTurgidson: Bigdogdaddy: Too bad we can't just strike the name of the people that did these things so they won't be held up as martyrs.  I usually wish the death penalty on people like this, but I hope they send him to prison, put him in solitary 23 hours a day and he lives to be 100 years old.  Fark him.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 278x181]

Next recommendation?

Not sure what you meant by that, but IMHO celebrities should just STFU when it comes to politics unless they decide to run for office.  Just my opinion.

My meaning was that attempts to "disappear" events and people rightfully will fail because those selfsame attempts draw attention themselves, with the attempted concealment only amplifying the attention originally intended to be evaded.

/can't be troubled to decipher what the rest of your post had to do with anything, but carry on my brother.


Ah, I see.  I'm a little slow and just a simple man.

Peace
 
2013-04-23 12:45:04 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 12:48:17 AM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x383]


THEN WHO WAS BAG?
 
2013-04-23 12:51:19 AM  

luxup: XD.45: Feral_and_Preposterous: Jesus. People are stupid. Not enough blood? Evidence too too long to assemble? We need to come up with a humanity test. If you fail we load you onto a rocket and shoot you into the sun.

Too expensive.  Bullets are much cheaper.

I just thought the irony of a humanity test that ends to inhumanely for the failures was sweet!


I just didn't want to add to the deficit. ;-)
 
2013-04-23 12:51:39 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: What a free Jaffa might look like


Prettiest man I ever saw.
 
2013-04-23 12:53:54 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.


No - I agree with you. I am a stone Atheist, born and raised. But I don't delude myself that religion is the problem. It isn't, and never has been. Faith can be a good thing - it's better than nothing, and for thousands of generations - there was nothing.
 
2013-04-23 12:56:59 AM  
I love the conspiracy theorists on this shiat.. They are pulling so much shiat out of there ass it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

"THIS GUY IN THE PICTURE IS A MILITARY MERCENARY FUNDED BY THE CIA!!!"

.. How do you know that? Do you have his ID, resume and pay stub?"

"........ ..."
 
2013-04-23 12:59:31 AM  

Sighs...

Even the Zodiac Killer had "fans" defending him.

 
2013-04-23 12:59:41 AM  
religion is flawed because man is flawed.
 
2013-04-23 01:03:35 AM  

jake_lex: trippycrazy12: gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.

But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl.

I kind of got how someone like RIchard Ramirez or Ted Bundy could get female groupies: they're handsome, and have a certain dark magnetism to them.  I have no idea how that walrus-looking piece of shiat Peterson gets female fans.  Not only is he ugly as hell, he's a real douche too.


A woman's desire and logic are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-04-23 01:04:58 AM  

Elegy: Good. Rambunctious public debate is a sign of a healthy and functioning democracy.


Hey man, you're not supposed to say stuff like that on Fark!

Seriously though, this guy has to be one of the worst terrorists of all time, along with his stupid brother. I feel bad for the people in and around Boston, but can you honestly say you feel terrorized? It took these bumbling fools two bombs to kill only three civilians (although they injured many more), and several more useless bombs that killed nobody. I guess they killed a couple of cops, but that was with handguns. Then they get caught in a shootout, where Dzhokar (joker) runs over his own worthless brother to get away, then tries to kill himself (so he wouldn't have to talk?), but gets caught anyway. Now he has to give up whatever information he has, although he'll probably never be able to talk again, and they'll probably put him to death anyway if (read: when) he's found guilty. He's and his brothers were all-around failures at everything they attempted.
 
2013-04-23 01:06:05 AM  

gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.


Somehow, even creepier than these ones who say "oh, he's so dreamy I just know he was framed, he's innocent" and the like are the ones who know he did it and find that alluring.  That sort of groupie happens after all these mass murders too. "He's got such tragic issues but *I* can get through to him! *I* can make him chaaaange..."

Not gonna lie, when he was caught I did start wondering when the "Holmies" might start moving onto this next new hotness.
 
2013-04-23 01:15:01 AM  

AdamK: alex jones is a false flag


You are adorable.

*offers you assorted fine European beers*
 
2013-04-23 01:18:52 AM  

Free Zephir!
ecx.images-amazon.com

 
2013-04-23 01:25:29 AM  
Elegy wins the potato award for this thread.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:21 AM  

FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out


Yeah. My parents were three blocks or so away from the blast when it happened. My dad's office was in the crime-scene zone. My cousins - including a 7-year-old - live 5 houses down from the "boat house" where suspect #2 was captured, and had to hide when they heard gunshots. This one hit VERY close to home, and I am just thankful for an ending.
 
2013-04-23 01:32:56 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Jesus. People are stupid. Not enough blood? Evidence too too long to assemble? We need to come up with a humanity test. If you fail we load you onto a rocket and shoot you into the sun.


In proposing such a test you immediately fail it.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:43 AM  
ANCIENT FISHYYYYYYYYYYY

hi hi hi hi hi hi good to see you

whassup?
 
2013-04-23 01:38:46 AM  

mekki: He's cute and young. And looks like a cross between a baby Bob Dylan and a puppy. In a boy band, he would be the pretty one. So, this happening is no surprise to me.

If was 58 and looked like shaved scrotum, his "fanbase" would barely be a blip.


I came here to say this (minus the bit about the scrotum because I'm just not that creative). Sad to say, the combination of "cute" and "famous" wins you a lot of fans no matter what heinous acts you've committed. As has been stated before in this thread, people are morons.

I can see where he probably got sucked into older brother's weirdness and would probably never have done anything horrible if left to his own devices. But he DID do something horrible. Just because he didn't think of it himself doesn't make it any less horrible or make him any less responsible for his actions.

/ My eldest cat's name is Tamerlane, which makes me even angrier at older brother.
 
2013-04-23 02:00:41 AM  

USP .45: I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material,


Conservatives: They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
2013-04-23 02:00:49 AM  
Esn:
I haven't been following the story very closely, so I'm not really sure if he's guilty or not. Does anyone know of a good site with a full rundown of the evidence proving that he's the one responsible (with his brother)?

Also, is there a place where the claims of these skeptics are debunked?


I was wondering the same thing but was afraid of being labeled a crazy teabagger conspiracy theorist if I so much as suggested that the claims of these skeptics even needed to be debunked. But most of the people in this thread are condemning them in such a wholesale fashion that I can only assume they've looked the actual arguments up, carefully evaluated the claims, found refuting evidence, and attempted to helpfully pass it on, so maybe we'll find some of that soon. I'd like to see it. I don't ever default to believing conspiracy theories, can't think of one that I do believe, and the biggest debunking I've experienced so far is my simple inability to even follow what's being alleged in pictorial claims like this: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-doub l e-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html
But, that said, pointing and calling people crazy for believing something that you make no attempt to refute in any way other than calling them stupid or alleging that they listen to radio talk shows that you don't like is no way to take the intellectual high ground. So I like that someone besides me is asking this question.

I've been following along the whole time so don't have a great suggestion for a site to wrap it all together, but in my experience the BBC often has good coverage of events like this, several articles on a given page with a roadmap or timeline tying it all together.
 
2013-04-23 02:12:20 AM  
Ah, fellow travelers with fascism; can't live with them, can't crush their skulls with a rock.
 
2013-04-23 02:15:36 AM  

nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.


<catchy tune> one of these things is not like the others </catchy tune>
 
2013-04-23 02:16:15 AM  
Free Jars?? Where? I need those
 
2013-04-23 03:07:44 AM  
Cult for a Russian guy huh? Where have I heard this before?

siberiantimes.com

The power of Screech compels you!
 
2013-04-23 03:53:12 AM  
I wonder how many marriage proposals he's gotten already...
 
2013-04-23 03:57:53 AM  

FriarReb98: Jahar, Jahar, he's our man.  If he can't do it,  GREAT!

\first thing that came to mind, TBH
\\also, any group that can't be bothered to spell its hero's name right is obviously a crappy group


Meh that part doesnt really bother me. Its just a different transliteration. Cyrillic lacks a J, so they use дж (dzh) instead. Also, Х (kh) is close to the h/ch sound in words like loch and hanukkah. The stupidity of defending the guy is the only thing here that should be ridiculed.
 
2013-04-23 04:19:20 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.


Someone once said "If we all woke up one morning, same color, same religion, same creed, by lunchtime we would figure out new ways to hate each other."
 
2013-04-23 04:22:12 AM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


What's that on the hub cover, you retarded chimpanzee? You know, that big red splatter? 

And people wonder why America gets laughed at by the rest of the world, idiots like you don't know when to shut the fark up and leave it to the real professionals out there.
 
2013-04-23 04:32:22 AM  
I know I shouldn't click but...

Sad week in Boston coming to an end, but sad years coming for America as Hussein Obama continues doing false flags for Israel.

[wtfamireading?]

On the plus side, this #Freejahar hashtag has pissed off a few folks who have responded by opening a #Fryjahar hashtag.
 
2013-04-23 04:34:50 AM  

Tatsuma: I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.


Free speech, Tats... you have to take the good speech, with the bad speech...
 
2013-04-23 04:42:32 AM  
He's just ~ misunderstood~
 
2013-04-23 04:52:40 AM  

ghostwind: Tatsuma: I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.

Free speech, Tats... you have to take the good speech, with the bad speech...


This is true, but not all opinions are equal, and some of us just get tired of all the crap. "Freedom of speech doesn't mean that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge" (or something like that).
 
2013-04-23 04:53:45 AM  
www.tshirthell.com
 
2013-04-23 05:13:31 AM  

wasteofspace: doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.

Someone once said "If we all woke up one morning, same color, same religion, same creed, by lunchtime we would figure out new ways to hate each other."


We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers.  Sinister bunch.

/literally
 
2013-04-23 05:15:30 AM  

ban_sidhe: mekki: He's cute and young. And looks like a cross between a baby Bob Dylan and a puppy. In a boy band, he would be the pretty one. So, this happening is no surprise to me.

If was 58 and looked like shaved scrotum, his "fanbase" would barely be a blip.

I came here to say this (minus the bit about the scrotum because I'm just not that creative). Sad to say, the combination of "cute" and "famous" wins you a lot of fans no matter what heinous acts you've committed. As has been stated before in this thread, people are morons.

I can see where he probably got sucked into older brother's weirdness and would probably never have done anything horrible if left to his own devices. But he DID do something horrible. Just because he didn't think of it himself doesn't make it any less horrible or make him any less responsible for his actions.

/ My eldest cat's name is Tamerlane, which makes me even angrier at older brother.


Heh...does your cat rule an empire from the basement to the attic, with an iron claw?

Call himself the Sword of Cat-holicism?
 
2013-04-23 05:15:37 AM  

Abacus9: ghostwind: Tatsuma: I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.

Free speech, Tats... you have to take the good speech, with the bad speech...

This is true, but not all opinions are equal, and some of us just get tired of all the crap. "Freedom of speech doesn't mean that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge" (or something like that).


I could not agree with you more about this. But the one thing about freedom of speech is that you have the freedom to say what you want. Whether people listen to you or not is a different story. Not allowing these whackjobs the chance to say these things leads us to the situation from before people had this right.
 
2013-04-23 05:19:12 AM  

billygeek: He ran over his brother which probably caused him to die. He's guilty of at-least that.


Heh.  Vehicular homicide in Massachusetts WILL cost you...5 unsafe driver points.

More than twice the penalty for a speeding ticket.

http://www.dmv.org/ma-massachusetts/point-system.php#Surchargeable-P oi nt-Schedule

(yes, I know there can be more serious penalties attached...I just always found this odd)
 
2013-04-23 05:24:29 AM  

PunGent: We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers. Sinister bunch.


Southies. (You need an appropriate abbreviation that can is reductive and easily brandied as an epithet)
 
2013-04-23 05:27:51 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.


Everything certainly wasn't even close to perfect, but that whole "purged religion" thing?  not quite so clear-cut as pro-religion folks would have you believe.

For a quick overview:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union

For more in-depth reading, read Bloodlands, by Snyder; most of the killing in the 30's was done by the NKVD in the Ukraine.

NKVD officers were 40 percent Jewish...50% at the general officer level.  Awkward.
Of course, most of THEM were purged in turn by the end of the decade, so...karma?

For bonus points:  Tamerlane, the guy our terrorist was named after?
The Russians opened his tomb, then reburied him with full Muslim rites.

Creepy follow-on, for the superstitious:  Tamerlane's grave was cursed with the inscription "Who ever opens my tomb, shall unleash an invader more terrible than I."

The Germans invaded two days after they dug him up...
 
2013-04-23 05:31:06 AM  

gulogulo: PunGent: We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers. Sinister bunch.

Southies. (You need an appropriate abbreviation that can is reductive and easily brandied as an epithet)


"Southpaw" has been in use for a very long time.  It implies a bestial nature.
 
2013-04-23 05:34:27 AM  

gulogulo: PunGent: We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers. Sinister bunch.

Southies. (You need an appropriate abbreviation that can is reductive and easily brandied as an epithet)


Heh...you gotta be careful using "Southies" pejoratively in the Boston area, unless you're LOOKING for a fight...
 
2013-04-23 06:30:38 AM  
Well, at least these people are outing themselves in a public forum on Twitter so we can chose to not be friends with them... or hire them in the future.
 
2013-04-23 06:36:44 AM  
Before the shooting started, I had some doubts that they had found the right people.   After the footage was found that showed the one dropping the backpack and moving away, I had less of a doubt.    After they carjacked the vehicle and got in a shootout with the police, there weren't any doubts.   I don't understand the reasoning behind why folks think they were innocent.   I think getting the one alive will add to the credibility of the case.
 
2013-04-23 06:42:56 AM  

FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out


Wow, could you also see Logan Airport from your office window on 9/11?
 
2013-04-23 06:58:15 AM  

luxup: randomjsa: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.

The problem with that as I see it are that individuals, when concerned mainly about themselves as individuals tend to be, try to justify their actions by claiming to be standing up for me when they are in fact acting selfishly.

When you stick your hands over your ears, dismiss every common sense point and only agree with those who agree with you then well, we all have a problem because there is no greater enemy to democracy than self centered selfishness.


You just described the behavior of the modern left perfectly.

But I'm not sure you're clear on what I mean by individual rights so i can't respond further.
 
2013-04-23 07:13:45 AM  
I like it when crazy assholes self identify - it makes it easy to avoid them.
 
2013-04-23 07:29:50 AM  
Dzhokhar  is pronounced Jafar I guess...these foreign names fool me everytime.

I thought it would be Zoh-car
 
2013-04-23 07:33:58 AM  

hardinparamedic: Elegy wins the potato award for this thread.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 07:35:13 AM  
The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


buelahman.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-23 07:37:56 AM  

Great_Milenko: While I suspect that Dschinghis Kahn here probably was coerced by his older brother, he still participated in a criminal act, and needs to face the consequences of his actions.

There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.


he should have grown some and discovered the liberating joys of the word 'NO'. I say it all the time and my life is pretty good.
 
2013-04-23 07:41:46 AM  
not that I'm for the death penalty, but honestly: isn't this why we assassinated and disposed of bin Laden? so there wouldn't be a cult around him?
 
2013-04-23 07:42:39 AM  

Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?


Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.
 
2013-04-23 07:44:38 AM  
There will always be people who think the government is up to something and that ordinary americans/people CANNOT be responsible for massively important/heinous occurrences.

I really hope that Obama does NOT push for the death penalty, because although I have no doubt dzokhar-tsarnaev is a skumbag who murdered innocents and hurt others, I oppose the death penalty in ALL cases without exception. Life in prison accomplishes the goal of punishing him and protecting society. The death penalty in my opinion is merely a lunge at "revenge" done out of anger.

I think that no matter how evil we are convinced someone is we never gain the right to end their life because sentient life is sacred, or at least as sacred as anything in this world can be "says me, the atheist". I reject the State's authority to take life other than circumstances where they pose a REAL current or future risk to people and they cannot be stopped effectively any other way.
 
2013-04-23 07:53:49 AM  

billygeek: He ran over his brother which probably caused him to die. He's guilty of at-least that.


Tampering with evidence?
 
2013-04-23 08:17:43 AM  

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


[buelahman.files.wordpress.com image 720x960]


makes you wonder why basement-dwelling internet pieces of shiat are incapable of facial recognition, yeah
 
2013-04-23 08:23:22 AM  

luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.


You know, constantly walking the moral high ground is tiring work.  Sometimes you just have to take a break and rest among the barbarians.
 
2013-04-23 08:39:43 AM  

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-04-23 08:41:05 AM  

Jackson Herring: fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


[buelahman.files.wordpress.com image 720x960]

makes you wonder why basement-dwelling internet pieces of shiat are incapable of facial recognition, yeah


Yes, yes indeed. Someone above suggested the idea of not dismissing or mocking the conspiracy theories but responding to them with serious evidence. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time, especially with the studies that suggest that it may be better to just ignore misinformation.

At some point, you have to wonder what the "goalpost" is for convincing someone, and then you realize it's always a moving target:
People wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, but they weren't satisfied and were convinced that everything shown to them was fake. The guys who made "Loose Change" have edited their video three or four times, taking out material that was clearly stupid, but they never wondered if it should cast doubt on their views (in a public interview, they said nothing could convince them to change their views). The video of the first moon landing, ironically, was supposed to dispel claims that it was fake.

If people's worldviews condition them to see crisis actors and false flags everywhere, then there's no way anyone's going to convince them otherwise. It's best just to let them have their very comforting conspiracy theories and not give them the respect of even pretending it's a debate.
 
2013-04-23 08:41:36 AM  

12349876: FREEBIRD


I'd like a free bird, know what I mean, nudge nudge.
 
2013-04-23 08:48:32 AM  

randomjsa: luxup: randomjsa: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.

The problem with that as I see it are that individuals, when concerned mainly about themselves as individuals tend to be, try to justify their actions by claiming to be standing up for me when they are in fact acting selfishly.

When you stick your hands over your ears, dismiss every common sense point and only agree with those who agree with you then well, we all have a problem because there is no greater enemy to democracy than self centered selfishness.

You just described the behavior of the modern left perfectly.

But I'm not sure you're clear on what I mean by individual rights so i can't respond further.


Oh I understand.  Individual rights are what people tout when they want to feel righteous about their own selfishness.  It wasn't liberals who defeated the background checks for guns.  It was a small sect of people standing up for 'individual rights' being led by a lobby who doesn't care about people but rather selling guns.

If you can't see past your own selfish wants/needs, you are in no position to fight for my rights.
 
2013-04-23 08:49:11 AM  

aesirx: not that I'm for the death penalty, but honestly: isn't this why we assassinated and disposed of bin Laden? so there wouldn't be a cult around him?


There's not really a good solution to that situation...kill him, some will view him as a martyr.
Imprison him, some will STILL rally around him, try to free him, etc.

Culters gonna cult.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:09 AM  

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left.


Ironically, international radical Islam got its biggest post-WW2 boost because of Eisenhower.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:13 AM  

Mock26: luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.

You know, constantly walking the moral high ground is tiring work.  Sometimes you just have to take a break and rest among the barbarians.


So standing up for American beliefs is the moral high ground?  Here in the states it's supposed to be the norm.
 
2013-04-23 08:57:15 AM  

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.



I don't know what newsletter you get but it's pretty farking retarded.
 
2013-04-23 08:58:27 AM  

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off.. It does make you wonder..


The fact that two twenty-something, dark haired, skinny, white guys of northern European heritage look vaguely similar is pretty scant evidence. GIS them and the man in the wheelchair clearly bears a much closer resemblance to other photos of Bauman.
 
2013-04-23 09:08:34 AM  
Aiding And Abetting, this is how it works.

/giving comfort to the death cultist = total retardation
 
2013-04-23 09:10:47 AM  

jake_lex: trippycrazy12: gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.

But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl.

I kind of got how someone like RIchard Ramirez or Ted Bundy could get female groupies: they're handsome, and have a certain dark magnetism to them.  I have no idea how that walrus-looking piece of shiat Peterson gets female fans.  Not only is he ugly as hell, he's a real douche too.


It's just one of those mysteries. As a wise prophet once said, "And I'm not getting laid."
 
2013-04-23 09:14:26 AM  

SmallFurryThingInACaveGrooving: Here is one of his support groups on vkontakte if anyone is interested...

http://vk.com/johar_tamerlan

[cs417531.vk.me image 604x603]


What a waste. I wonder if he would have nearly the support if he was ugly?

/ick
// old enough that thinking him a little cutie makes me feel like having a seat over there
///not a cougar

Also, do these people have any idea how many people would have had to be in on it for it to be a conspiracy? It boggles the mind. Two people have a hard time keeping a secret, never mind several thousand. Including children. Most of them civillians. It is not even possible to entertain such an idea, and anyone who does is clearly incapable of any sort of logical thought.
 
2013-04-23 09:30:23 AM  
I guess no one wants to stop and take a look at the creepy action-hero worship of Christopher Dorner that was going on.  If you were one of the ones that thought, even for a second, 'yeah, maybe the big ex cop has a point,' you need to reconsider what's going on with Tsarnaev.  No judgment.  We're just wired weird.
 
2013-04-23 09:35:52 AM  
On behalf of all Christian liberals, I'm honored to tell you to go to hell.
 
2013-04-23 09:42:37 AM  

MontanaDave: On behalf of all Christian liberals, I'm honored to tell you to go to hell.


Uhhh...quote fail while aiming at Cato.
 
2013-04-23 09:47:21 AM  
I don't understand why conspiracy theorists don't believe that there ARE bad people in the world who get away with creating bad situations, and people DO get hurt and die.

These events are not fabricated by the media and the government as a distraction or whatever you think it is. Something horrible happened and the media latched onto it and is trying desperately to keep your attention until the next tragedy comes along. And if it takes a while for something to come along, they'll just blow a smaller story out of proportion.
But it actually did happen.
 
2013-04-23 10:00:58 AM  
This whole argument is irrelevant anyway. If we completely ignore the race bombings, the stuff he did after the fact, the murder of a police officer, carjacking, kidnapping, armed robbery, using a weapon of mass destruction (tossing the last pressure cooker bomb out of the car, as well as the smaller bombs) firing at police, felony evading, infinite traffic violations, tresspassing... All of that is enough to ensure that he is never a free man again. Even if he was innocent of the race bombing.
 
2013-04-23 10:06:51 AM  
Huh, I see a lot of posts quoting Silly Jesus, but not a single post of his in the thread... Either he got auto-added to my ignore list, or the mods have done a lot of deleting (but not of quotes of the deleted posts, as they usually do)...
 
2013-04-23 10:19:26 AM  

RobSeace: Huh, I see a lot of posts quoting Silly Jesus, but not a single post of his in the thread... Either he got auto-added to my ignore list, or the mods have done a lot of deleting (but not of quotes of the deleted posts, as they usually do)...


Maybe he is in a 24 hour timeout?

/been there, done that
 
2013-04-23 10:34:01 AM  

Hickory-smoked: USP .45: I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material,

Conservatives: They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


Libs: blowing innocuous statements out of proportion while trying to sound smart.

Trading a loaf of bread for a bag of dates is a tangible and quantifiable exchange rate. Trading a human life because of some voodoo a god "told" you is what?
 
2013-04-23 10:42:00 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will be epic if you wish to enlarge your ignore list.


Trimmed a few people off my Facebook friends list this past week because of this idiocy.  They somehow went from "OMG...this is horrible" last Monday when the bombs went off to spamming Alex Jones bullshiat and "this was obviously a fake and this guy is innocent...here's the evidence" within a week.

I just don't understand it.
 
2013-04-23 10:45:00 AM  
Buncha conspiritards and armchair terrorism 'experts' bloviating about shiat they don't understand.
 
2013-04-23 10:47:37 AM  
Free Jahar... with the purchase of any Jahar of equal or greater value.
 
2013-04-23 10:48:35 AM  
If people think the government/media is lying to them about the circumstances surrounding the bombing, why do they think the media's telling them the truth about Tsaranev in custody?

/does not follow
 
2013-04-23 10:52:24 AM  
//We believe that within the chaos caused by the Boston Marathon explosion, two young men were wrongfully accused of something they did not do, and one of them has lost his life before even getting the opportunity of a proper trial. We do not wish to see blood of yet another innocent victim, someone who, by U.S. law, is innocent until proven guilty. It is vital to end this persecution, as all the conflicting information shown by the media, and footage from the incident, seen by people from all corners of the world, doesn't manifest itself as enough evidence to condemn Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of this heinous crime. You promised to the world that you would get to the bottom of this, and we hope you keep your word. We want evidence. We want truth. We want justice.//

HE'S BEING TRIED YOU FARKING COONT

/also, 0 supporters, lol
 
2013-04-23 10:53:24 AM  
I could be wrong, but isn't that the name of the fortune-telling machine in "Big"?  Ask Zhokar!
 
2013-04-23 10:53:39 AM  
local vagrant:
/also, 0 supporters, lol

Whoops, my browser lied to me.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:50 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: Bedstead Polisher: farkingismybusiness: Here's the spot his brother died.

USA? Jeez, people are tacky.


actually, the ground looks a little tacky there
 
2013-04-23 12:39:57 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This forum is a disapointment at times.  This thread is on of them.


I dunno. It was a bit sad to see but hubiestubert finally went full retard and made it to my ignore list so there's some benefit. It's too bad really, I just am unable to stand retarded people. One other person made it to my ignore list but they'd never attracted my attention in the past so I didn't mind ignoring them.

I only made it as far as your comment, so far, but I'd not be surprised to see the thread net one or even two more for the ignore list. So, yeah, it is good for something. You can use it to fill in some blanks on your ignore list or farky a few people with new colors and comments.

/gotta be optimistic
//otherwise what's the point?
/also gotta have three slashies
 
2013-04-23 12:49:50 PM  

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


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lmao that comparison was a pathetic attempt at trolling at best. it's like someone picked a picture of an amputee out of a pile and said 'oh no, conspiracy!' without even the slightest attempt to find someone with a face or injuries remotely like the guy in boston. the only thing more pathetic are those who spend more than a moment considering this idiotic idea
 
2013-04-23 04:56:50 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 05:11:54 PM  
the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women

Pardon?

So....the so-called American "left" is among other things ordering me to change what I wear on the streets??

Like this??

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 05:17:32 PM  
img694.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-23 06:40:56 PM  
People do that online already, mock others for their email address or spelling proficiency.

Old timers will remember how posting with/from a free edu account drew scorn from those who paid for theirs. Knocking others down to prop oneself up is a pretty low human behaviour, but predictable in a minority population of folks.
 
2013-04-23 08:01:53 PM  
I know it's fun to ridicule what people like to call conspiracy theorists, but there is a practical function they serve.  They are a type of "check" to the system- the judicial system, in this case.  Scrutiny is a good thing; from all sides of a issue.  When questions are asked, evidence is produced.  It strengthens the case or the case fails as it should.

It is not beneficial to shout down, or demean those who are skeptical.  If evidence is insufficient to counter the questions, then either the evidence is lacking or the participants are lacking.  Either way we must trust in rationale and logic prevailing.  Dismissing conspiracy theorists without consideration is unproductive.
 
2013-04-23 09:01:50 PM  

luxup: Mock26: luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.

You know, constantly walking the moral high ground is tiring work.  Sometimes you just have to take a break and rest among the barbarians.

So standing up for American beliefs is the moral high ground?  Here in the states it's supposed to be the norm.


Norm!

What's up Mr. Peters?

It's a dog eat dog world and my underwear is made of  dog biscuits.
 
2013-04-24 02:00:16 AM  

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.


Citation needed. For everything.
 
2013-04-24 02:23:19 AM  

Mock26: So standing up for American beliefs is the moral high ground? Here in the states it's supposed to be the norm.

Norm!

What's up Mr. Peters?

It's a dog eat dog world and my underwear is made of dog biscuits.


Nice! Would have also accepted:

Woody: What's goin' on Mr. Peterson?

Norm: The important thing is what's going IN Mr. Peterson.
 
Esn
2013-04-24 02:28:22 AM  

Captain Blackadder: Someone above suggested the idea of not dismissing or mocking the conspiracy theories but responding to them with serious evidence. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time, especially with the studies that suggest that it may be better to just ignore misinformation.

At some point, you have to wonder what the "goalpost" is for convincing someone, and then you realize it's always a moving target:
People wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, but they weren't satisfied and were convinced that everything shown to them was fake. The guys who made "Loose Change" have edited their video three or four times, taking out material that was clearly stupid, but they never wondered if it should cast doubt on their views (in a public interview, they said nothing could convince them to change their views). The video of the first moon landing, ironically, was supposed to dispel claims that it was fake.

If people's worldviews condition them to see crisis actors and false flags everywhere, then there's no way anyone's going to convince them otherwise. It's best just to let them have their very comforting conspiracy theories and not give them the respect of even pretending it's a debate.


I don't know about other people, but my views on things do change because of evidence. When I was young I believed that the moon landings were faked because of the arguments I saw on some conspiracy websites, which at that time nobody had posted a response to. Later I read articles that people wrote debunking the conspiracy arguments pretty thoroughly (including NASA's response) and came to believe that the moon landings did happen.

I'm strong believer in an evidence-based approach to arguments. The argument for a truth should NEVER, EVER be "this is true because we'll ridicule you if you believe it's not".
 
2013-04-24 04:43:08 AM  

Esn: When I was young I believed that the moon landings were faked because of the arguments I saw on some conspiracy websites, which at that time nobody had posted a response to. Later I read articles that people wrote debunking the conspiracy arguments pretty thoroughly (including NASA's response) and came to believe that the moon landings did happen.

I'm strong believer in an evidence-based approach to arguments. The argument for a truth should NEVER, EVER be "this is true because we'll ridicule you if you believe it's not".


Even though you have come to understand that the moon landings are factual, it does not mean you have to stop believing the moon landings were faked.  Both can be true.  It is possible we landed on the moon, and also created fake moon landings.

To me, that is the most dangerous aspect of conspiracy theories.  If one aspect of the theory is disproven, it does not mean the entire premise is invalid.  Or if one theory is debunked it does not mean all theories are bunk.

Often a conspiracy theory is born out of a grain of truth and embellished, and then debunked, taking that grain of truth down with it.
 
2013-04-24 05:12:48 AM  

Esn: Captain Blackadder: Someone above suggested the idea of not dismissing or mocking the conspiracy theories but responding to them with serious evidence. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time, especially with the studies that suggest that it may be better to just ignore misinformation.

At some point, you have to wonder what the "goalpost" is for convincing someone, and then you realize it's always a moving target:
People wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, but they weren't satisfied and were convinced that everything shown to them was fake. The guys who made "Loose Change" have edited their video three or four times, taking out material that was clearly stupid, but they never wondered if it should cast doubt on their views (in a public interview, they said nothing could convince them to change their views). The video of the first moon landing, ironically, was supposed to dispel claims that it was fake.

If people's worldviews condition them to see crisis actors and false flags everywhere, then there's no way anyone's going to convince them otherwise. It's best just to let them have their very comforting conspiracy theories and not give them the respect of even pretending it's a debate.

I don't know about other people, but my views on things do change because of evidence. When I was young I believed that the moon landings were faked because of the arguments I saw on some conspiracy websites, which at that time nobody had posted a response to. Later I read articles that people wrote debunking the conspiracy arguments pretty thoroughly (including NASA's response) and came to believe that the moon landings did happen.

I'm strong believer in an evidence-based approach to arguments. The argument for a truth should NEVER, EVER be "this is true because we'll ridicule you if you believe it's not".


So am I, but many of these conspiracy theories are based on no evidence at all, or crap evidence, then they ignore the actual evidence of what happened. That's why we don't need to give them equal time or any credibility in the first place. And yes, this is why we ridicule them, because they're ridiculous.
 
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