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2013-04-23 07:53:49 AM

billygeek: He ran over his brother which probably caused him to die. He's guilty of at-least that.


Tampering with evidence?
 
2013-04-23 08:17:43 AM

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


[buelahman.files.wordpress.com image 720x960]


makes you wonder why basement-dwelling internet pieces of shiat are incapable of facial recognition, yeah
 
2013-04-23 08:23:22 AM

luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.


You know, constantly walking the moral high ground is tiring work.  Sometimes you just have to take a break and rest among the barbarians.
 
2013-04-23 08:39:43 AM

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-04-23 08:41:05 AM

Jackson Herring: fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


[buelahman.files.wordpress.com image 720x960]

makes you wonder why basement-dwelling internet pieces of shiat are incapable of facial recognition, yeah


Yes, yes indeed. Someone above suggested the idea of not dismissing or mocking the conspiracy theories but responding to them with serious evidence. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time, especially with the studies that suggest that it may be better to just ignore misinformation.

At some point, you have to wonder what the "goalpost" is for convincing someone, and then you realize it's always a moving target:
People wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, but they weren't satisfied and were convinced that everything shown to them was fake. The guys who made "Loose Change" have edited their video three or four times, taking out material that was clearly stupid, but they never wondered if it should cast doubt on their views (in a public interview, they said nothing could convince them to change their views). The video of the first moon landing, ironically, was supposed to dispel claims that it was fake.

If people's worldviews condition them to see crisis actors and false flags everywhere, then there's no way anyone's going to convince them otherwise. It's best just to let them have their very comforting conspiracy theories and not give them the respect of even pretending it's a debate.
 
2013-04-23 08:41:36 AM

12349876: FREEBIRD


I'd like a free bird, know what I mean, nudge nudge.
 
2013-04-23 08:48:32 AM

randomjsa: luxup: randomjsa: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.

The problem with that as I see it are that individuals, when concerned mainly about themselves as individuals tend to be, try to justify their actions by claiming to be standing up for me when they are in fact acting selfishly.

When you stick your hands over your ears, dismiss every common sense point and only agree with those who agree with you then well, we all have a problem because there is no greater enemy to democracy than self centered selfishness.

You just described the behavior of the modern left perfectly.

But I'm not sure you're clear on what I mean by individual rights so i can't respond further.


Oh I understand.  Individual rights are what people tout when they want to feel righteous about their own selfishness.  It wasn't liberals who defeated the background checks for guns.  It was a small sect of people standing up for 'individual rights' being led by a lobby who doesn't care about people but rather selling guns.

If you can't see past your own selfish wants/needs, you are in no position to fight for my rights.
 
2013-04-23 08:49:11 AM

aesirx: not that I'm for the death penalty, but honestly: isn't this why we assassinated and disposed of bin Laden? so there wouldn't be a cult around him?


There's not really a good solution to that situation...kill him, some will view him as a martyr.
Imprison him, some will STILL rally around him, try to free him, etc.

Culters gonna cult.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:09 AM

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left.


Ironically, international radical Islam got its biggest post-WW2 boost because of Eisenhower.
 
2013-04-23 08:52:13 AM

Mock26: luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.

You know, constantly walking the moral high ground is tiring work.  Sometimes you just have to take a break and rest among the barbarians.


So standing up for American beliefs is the moral high ground?  Here in the states it's supposed to be the norm.
 
2013-04-23 08:57:15 AM

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.



I don't know what newsletter you get but it's pretty farking retarded.
 
2013-04-23 08:58:27 AM

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off.. It does make you wonder..


The fact that two twenty-something, dark haired, skinny, white guys of northern European heritage look vaguely similar is pretty scant evidence. GIS them and the man in the wheelchair clearly bears a much closer resemblance to other photos of Bauman.
 
2013-04-23 09:08:34 AM
Aiding And Abetting, this is how it works.

/giving comfort to the death cultist = total retardation
 
2013-04-23 09:10:47 AM

jake_lex: trippycrazy12: gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.

But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl.

I kind of got how someone like RIchard Ramirez or Ted Bundy could get female groupies: they're handsome, and have a certain dark magnetism to them.  I have no idea how that walrus-looking piece of shiat Peterson gets female fans.  Not only is he ugly as hell, he's a real douche too.


It's just one of those mysteries. As a wise prophet once said, "And I'm not getting laid."
 
2013-04-23 09:14:26 AM

SmallFurryThingInACaveGrooving: Here is one of his support groups on vkontakte if anyone is interested...

http://vk.com/johar_tamerlan

[cs417531.vk.me image 604x603]


What a waste. I wonder if he would have nearly the support if he was ugly?

/ick
// old enough that thinking him a little cutie makes me feel like having a seat over there
///not a cougar

Also, do these people have any idea how many people would have had to be in on it for it to be a conspiracy? It boggles the mind. Two people have a hard time keeping a secret, never mind several thousand. Including children. Most of them civillians. It is not even possible to entertain such an idea, and anyone who does is clearly incapable of any sort of logical thought.
 
2013-04-23 09:30:23 AM
I guess no one wants to stop and take a look at the creepy action-hero worship of Christopher Dorner that was going on.  If you were one of the ones that thought, even for a second, 'yeah, maybe the big ex cop has a point,' you need to reconsider what's going on with Tsarnaev.  No judgment.  We're just wired weird.
 
2013-04-23 09:35:52 AM
On behalf of all Christian liberals, I'm honored to tell you to go to hell.
 
2013-04-23 09:42:37 AM

MontanaDave: On behalf of all Christian liberals, I'm honored to tell you to go to hell.


Uhhh...quote fail while aiming at Cato.
 
2013-04-23 09:47:21 AM
I don't understand why conspiracy theorists don't believe that there ARE bad people in the world who get away with creating bad situations, and people DO get hurt and die.

These events are not fabricated by the media and the government as a distraction or whatever you think it is. Something horrible happened and the media latched onto it and is trying desperately to keep your attention until the next tragedy comes along. And if it takes a while for something to come along, they'll just blow a smaller story out of proportion.
But it actually did happen.
 
2013-04-23 10:00:58 AM
This whole argument is irrelevant anyway. If we completely ignore the race bombings, the stuff he did after the fact, the murder of a police officer, carjacking, kidnapping, armed robbery, using a weapon of mass destruction (tossing the last pressure cooker bomb out of the car, as well as the smaller bombs) firing at police, felony evading, infinite traffic violations, tresspassing... All of that is enough to ensure that he is never a free man again. Even if he was innocent of the race bombing.
 
2013-04-23 10:06:51 AM
Huh, I see a lot of posts quoting Silly Jesus, but not a single post of his in the thread... Either he got auto-added to my ignore list, or the mods have done a lot of deleting (but not of quotes of the deleted posts, as they usually do)...
 
2013-04-23 10:19:26 AM

RobSeace: Huh, I see a lot of posts quoting Silly Jesus, but not a single post of his in the thread... Either he got auto-added to my ignore list, or the mods have done a lot of deleting (but not of quotes of the deleted posts, as they usually do)...


Maybe he is in a 24 hour timeout?

/been there, done that
 
2013-04-23 10:34:01 AM

Hickory-smoked: USP .45: I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material,

Conservatives: They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


Libs: blowing innocuous statements out of proportion while trying to sound smart.

Trading a loaf of bread for a bag of dates is a tangible and quantifiable exchange rate. Trading a human life because of some voodoo a god "told" you is what?
 
2013-04-23 10:42:00 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will be epic if you wish to enlarge your ignore list.


Trimmed a few people off my Facebook friends list this past week because of this idiocy.  They somehow went from "OMG...this is horrible" last Monday when the bombs went off to spamming Alex Jones bullshiat and "this was obviously a fake and this guy is innocent...here's the evidence" within a week.

I just don't understand it.
 
2013-04-23 10:45:00 AM
Buncha conspiritards and armchair terrorism 'experts' bloviating about shiat they don't understand.
 
2013-04-23 10:47:37 AM
Free Jahar... with the purchase of any Jahar of equal or greater value.
 
2013-04-23 10:48:35 AM
If people think the government/media is lying to them about the circumstances surrounding the bombing, why do they think the media's telling them the truth about Tsaranev in custody?

/does not follow
 
2013-04-23 10:52:24 AM
//We believe that within the chaos caused by the Boston Marathon explosion, two young men were wrongfully accused of something they did not do, and one of them has lost his life before even getting the opportunity of a proper trial. We do not wish to see blood of yet another innocent victim, someone who, by U.S. law, is innocent until proven guilty. It is vital to end this persecution, as all the conflicting information shown by the media, and footage from the incident, seen by people from all corners of the world, doesn't manifest itself as enough evidence to condemn Dzhokhar Tsarnaev of this heinous crime. You promised to the world that you would get to the bottom of this, and we hope you keep your word. We want evidence. We want truth. We want justice.//

HE'S BEING TRIED YOU FARKING COONT

/also, 0 supporters, lol
 
2013-04-23 10:53:24 AM
I could be wrong, but isn't that the name of the fortune-telling machine in "Big"?  Ask Zhokar!
 
2013-04-23 10:53:39 AM
local vagrant:
/also, 0 supporters, lol

Whoops, my browser lied to me.
 
2013-04-23 11:12:50 AM

Bedstead Polisher: Bedstead Polisher: farkingismybusiness: Here's the spot his brother died.

USA? Jeez, people are tacky.


actually, the ground looks a little tacky there
 
2013-04-23 12:39:57 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This forum is a disapointment at times.  This thread is on of them.


I dunno. It was a bit sad to see but hubiestubert finally went full retard and made it to my ignore list so there's some benefit. It's too bad really, I just am unable to stand retarded people. One other person made it to my ignore list but they'd never attracted my attention in the past so I didn't mind ignoring them.

I only made it as far as your comment, so far, but I'd not be surprised to see the thread net one or even two more for the ignore list. So, yeah, it is good for something. You can use it to fill in some blanks on your ignore list or farky a few people with new colors and comments.

/gotta be optimistic
//otherwise what's the point?
/also gotta have three slashies
 
2013-04-23 12:49:50 PM

fark_the_herald_angel_sings: The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


[buelahman.files.wordpress.com image 720x960]



lmao that comparison was a pathetic attempt at trolling at best. it's like someone picked a picture of an amputee out of a pile and said 'oh no, conspiracy!' without even the slightest attempt to find someone with a face or injuries remotely like the guy in boston. the only thing more pathetic are those who spend more than a moment considering this idiotic idea
 
2013-04-23 04:56:50 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 05:11:54 PM
the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women

Pardon?

So....the so-called American "left" is among other things ordering me to change what I wear on the streets??

Like this??

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 05:17:32 PM
img694.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-23 06:40:56 PM
People do that online already, mock others for their email address or spelling proficiency.

Old timers will remember how posting with/from a free edu account drew scorn from those who paid for theirs. Knocking others down to prop oneself up is a pretty low human behaviour, but predictable in a minority population of folks.
 
2013-04-23 08:01:53 PM
I know it's fun to ridicule what people like to call conspiracy theorists, but there is a practical function they serve.  They are a type of "check" to the system- the judicial system, in this case.  Scrutiny is a good thing; from all sides of a issue.  When questions are asked, evidence is produced.  It strengthens the case or the case fails as it should.

It is not beneficial to shout down, or demean those who are skeptical.  If evidence is insufficient to counter the questions, then either the evidence is lacking or the participants are lacking.  Either way we must trust in rationale and logic prevailing.  Dismissing conspiracy theorists without consideration is unproductive.
 
2013-04-23 09:01:50 PM

luxup: Mock26: luxup: Poison: Mock26: I am OK with this.  No, seriously.  Let him go.  Take him to South Boston, announce over a PA system that he is going to be released, wait for a crowd to gather, release him, and then have all the police turn around and walk/drive away.  If gets out of there alive then drop all charges.  If not, oh well.  Accidents happen.

That's what I always wished for Osama Bin Asshat.  Just announce when and where he was being dropped in NYC, and let nature take it's course.

Ahh, America at it's finest.  It's that exactly the kind of stuff they do in the regions governed by Sharia law?  I would hope we at least try to be better than that.  It is what we are supposed to be all about.

Plus you forgot that life is a long time in prison and this kid will be gotten to inside.  It may not be today, may not be tomorrow, but somebody in the inside right now is thinking about what they will do to this kid if he just gets the chance.

You know, constantly walking the moral high ground is tiring work.  Sometimes you just have to take a break and rest among the barbarians.

So standing up for American beliefs is the moral high ground?  Here in the states it's supposed to be the norm.


Norm!

What's up Mr. Peters?

It's a dog eat dog world and my underwear is made of  dog biscuits.
 
2013-04-24 02:00:16 AM

Cato: Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?

Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.


Citation needed. For everything.
 
2013-04-24 02:23:19 AM

Mock26: So standing up for American beliefs is the moral high ground? Here in the states it's supposed to be the norm.

Norm!

What's up Mr. Peters?

It's a dog eat dog world and my underwear is made of dog biscuits.


Nice! Would have also accepted:

Woody: What's goin' on Mr. Peterson?

Norm: The important thing is what's going IN Mr. Peterson.
 
Esn
2013-04-24 02:28:22 AM

Captain Blackadder: Someone above suggested the idea of not dismissing or mocking the conspiracy theories but responding to them with serious evidence. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time, especially with the studies that suggest that it may be better to just ignore misinformation.

At some point, you have to wonder what the "goalpost" is for convincing someone, and then you realize it's always a moving target:
People wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, but they weren't satisfied and were convinced that everything shown to them was fake. The guys who made "Loose Change" have edited their video three or four times, taking out material that was clearly stupid, but they never wondered if it should cast doubt on their views (in a public interview, they said nothing could convince them to change their views). The video of the first moon landing, ironically, was supposed to dispel claims that it was fake.

If people's worldviews condition them to see crisis actors and false flags everywhere, then there's no way anyone's going to convince them otherwise. It's best just to let them have their very comforting conspiracy theories and not give them the respect of even pretending it's a debate.


I don't know about other people, but my views on things do change because of evidence. When I was young I believed that the moon landings were faked because of the arguments I saw on some conspiracy websites, which at that time nobody had posted a response to. Later I read articles that people wrote debunking the conspiracy arguments pretty thoroughly (including NASA's response) and came to believe that the moon landings did happen.

I'm strong believer in an evidence-based approach to arguments. The argument for a truth should NEVER, EVER be "this is true because we'll ridicule you if you believe it's not".
 
2013-04-24 04:43:08 AM

Esn: When I was young I believed that the moon landings were faked because of the arguments I saw on some conspiracy websites, which at that time nobody had posted a response to. Later I read articles that people wrote debunking the conspiracy arguments pretty thoroughly (including NASA's response) and came to believe that the moon landings did happen.

I'm strong believer in an evidence-based approach to arguments. The argument for a truth should NEVER, EVER be "this is true because we'll ridicule you if you believe it's not".


Even though you have come to understand that the moon landings are factual, it does not mean you have to stop believing the moon landings were faked.  Both can be true.  It is possible we landed on the moon, and also created fake moon landings.

To me, that is the most dangerous aspect of conspiracy theories.  If one aspect of the theory is disproven, it does not mean the entire premise is invalid.  Or if one theory is debunked it does not mean all theories are bunk.

Often a conspiracy theory is born out of a grain of truth and embellished, and then debunked, taking that grain of truth down with it.
 
2013-04-24 05:12:48 AM

Esn: Captain Blackadder: Someone above suggested the idea of not dismissing or mocking the conspiracy theories but responding to them with serious evidence. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time, especially with the studies that suggest that it may be better to just ignore misinformation.

At some point, you have to wonder what the "goalpost" is for convincing someone, and then you realize it's always a moving target:
People wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, but they weren't satisfied and were convinced that everything shown to them was fake. The guys who made "Loose Change" have edited their video three or four times, taking out material that was clearly stupid, but they never wondered if it should cast doubt on their views (in a public interview, they said nothing could convince them to change their views). The video of the first moon landing, ironically, was supposed to dispel claims that it was fake.

If people's worldviews condition them to see crisis actors and false flags everywhere, then there's no way anyone's going to convince them otherwise. It's best just to let them have their very comforting conspiracy theories and not give them the respect of even pretending it's a debate.

I don't know about other people, but my views on things do change because of evidence. When I was young I believed that the moon landings were faked because of the arguments I saw on some conspiracy websites, which at that time nobody had posted a response to. Later I read articles that people wrote debunking the conspiracy arguments pretty thoroughly (including NASA's response) and came to believe that the moon landings did happen.

I'm strong believer in an evidence-based approach to arguments. The argument for a truth should NEVER, EVER be "this is true because we'll ridicule you if you believe it's not".


So am I, but many of these conspiracy theories are based on no evidence at all, or crap evidence, then they ignore the actual evidence of what happened. That's why we don't need to give them equal time or any credibility in the first place. And yes, this is why we ridicule them, because they're ridiculous.
 
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