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2013-04-23 12:51:39 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: What a free Jaffa might look like


Prettiest man I ever saw.
 
2013-04-23 12:53:54 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.


No - I agree with you. I am a stone Atheist, born and raised. But I don't delude myself that religion is the problem. It isn't, and never has been. Faith can be a good thing - it's better than nothing, and for thousands of generations - there was nothing.
 
2013-04-23 12:56:59 AM  
I love the conspiracy theorists on this shiat.. They are pulling so much shiat out of there ass it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

"THIS GUY IN THE PICTURE IS A MILITARY MERCENARY FUNDED BY THE CIA!!!"

.. How do you know that? Do you have his ID, resume and pay stub?"

"........ ..."
 
2013-04-23 12:59:31 AM  

Sighs...

Even the Zodiac Killer had "fans" defending him.

 
2013-04-23 12:59:41 AM  
religion is flawed because man is flawed.
 
2013-04-23 01:03:35 AM  

jake_lex: trippycrazy12: gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.

But...but... They can change him.

Even drew peterson (the other wife killer) has female fans and that guy looks like Josef Fritzl.

I kind of got how someone like RIchard Ramirez or Ted Bundy could get female groupies: they're handsome, and have a certain dark magnetism to them.  I have no idea how that walrus-looking piece of shiat Peterson gets female fans.  Not only is he ugly as hell, he's a real douche too.


A woman's desire and logic are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-04-23 01:04:58 AM  

Elegy: Good. Rambunctious public debate is a sign of a healthy and functioning democracy.


Hey man, you're not supposed to say stuff like that on Fark!

Seriously though, this guy has to be one of the worst terrorists of all time, along with his stupid brother. I feel bad for the people in and around Boston, but can you honestly say you feel terrorized? It took these bumbling fools two bombs to kill only three civilians (although they injured many more), and several more useless bombs that killed nobody. I guess they killed a couple of cops, but that was with handguns. Then they get caught in a shootout, where Dzhokar (joker) runs over his own worthless brother to get away, then tries to kill himself (so he wouldn't have to talk?), but gets caught anyway. Now he has to give up whatever information he has, although he'll probably never be able to talk again, and they'll probably put him to death anyway if (read: when) he's found guilty. He's and his brothers were all-around failures at everything they attempted.
 
2013-04-23 01:06:05 AM  

gilgigamesh: A lot of this will come from women. Or teenage girls.

He's a good looking kid. As soon as I saw his picture, I knew this shiat would happen. "Look at his eyes. He's so dreamy. I know he has to be innocent."

He'll be one of those guys spending the rest of his life in prison who will be literally buried in marriage proposals by misguided young women.


Somehow, even creepier than these ones who say "oh, he's so dreamy I just know he was framed, he's innocent" and the like are the ones who know he did it and find that alluring.  That sort of groupie happens after all these mass murders too. "He's got such tragic issues but *I* can get through to him! *I* can make him chaaaange..."

Not gonna lie, when he was caught I did start wondering when the "Holmies" might start moving onto this next new hotness.
 
2013-04-23 01:15:01 AM  

AdamK: alex jones is a false flag


You are adorable.

*offers you assorted fine European beers*
 
2013-04-23 01:18:52 AM  
Free Zephir!
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-04-23 01:25:29 AM  
Elegy wins the potato award for this thread.
 
2013-04-23 01:28:21 AM  

FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out


Yeah. My parents were three blocks or so away from the blast when it happened. My dad's office was in the crime-scene zone. My cousins - including a 7-year-old - live 5 houses down from the "boat house" where suspect #2 was captured, and had to hide when they heard gunshots. This one hit VERY close to home, and I am just thankful for an ending.
 
2013-04-23 01:32:56 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Jesus. People are stupid. Not enough blood? Evidence too too long to assemble? We need to come up with a humanity test. If you fail we load you onto a rocket and shoot you into the sun.


In proposing such a test you immediately fail it.
 
2013-04-23 01:33:43 AM  
ANCIENT FISHYYYYYYYYYYY

hi hi hi hi hi hi good to see you

whassup?
 
2013-04-23 01:38:46 AM  

mekki: He's cute and young. And looks like a cross between a baby Bob Dylan and a puppy. In a boy band, he would be the pretty one. So, this happening is no surprise to me.

If was 58 and looked like shaved scrotum, his "fanbase" would barely be a blip.


I came here to say this (minus the bit about the scrotum because I'm just not that creative). Sad to say, the combination of "cute" and "famous" wins you a lot of fans no matter what heinous acts you've committed. As has been stated before in this thread, people are morons.

I can see where he probably got sucked into older brother's weirdness and would probably never have done anything horrible if left to his own devices. But he DID do something horrible. Just because he didn't think of it himself doesn't make it any less horrible or make him any less responsible for his actions.

/ My eldest cat's name is Tamerlane, which makes me even angrier at older brother.
 
2013-04-23 02:00:41 AM  

USP .45: I at least take "comfort" in the fact that profit is quantifiable and material,


Conservatives: They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
2013-04-23 02:00:49 AM  
Esn:
I haven't been following the story very closely, so I'm not really sure if he's guilty or not. Does anyone know of a good site with a full rundown of the evidence proving that he's the one responsible (with his brother)?

Also, is there a place where the claims of these skeptics are debunked?


I was wondering the same thing but was afraid of being labeled a crazy teabagger conspiracy theorist if I so much as suggested that the claims of these skeptics even needed to be debunked. But most of the people in this thread are condemning them in such a wholesale fashion that I can only assume they've looked the actual arguments up, carefully evaluated the claims, found refuting evidence, and attempted to helpfully pass it on, so maybe we'll find some of that soon. I'd like to see it. I don't ever default to believing conspiracy theories, can't think of one that I do believe, and the biggest debunking I've experienced so far is my simple inability to even follow what's being alleged in pictorial claims like this: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-doub l e-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html
But, that said, pointing and calling people crazy for believing something that you make no attempt to refute in any way other than calling them stupid or alleging that they listen to radio talk shows that you don't like is no way to take the intellectual high ground. So I like that someone besides me is asking this question.

I've been following along the whole time so don't have a great suggestion for a site to wrap it all together, but in my experience the BBC often has good coverage of events like this, several articles on a given page with a roadmap or timeline tying it all together.
 
2013-04-23 02:12:20 AM  
Ah, fellow travelers with fascism; can't live with them, can't crush their skulls with a rock.
 
2013-04-23 02:15:36 AM  

nmrsnr: Am I supposed to be surprised?

JFK assassination
Moon Landing
9/11

Some of the best documented historical events ever have a vocal minority of people who either believe that what happened is not the whole story or fabricated out of whole cloth. Crazy people are crazy.


<catchy tune> one of these things is not like the others </catchy tune>
 
2013-04-23 02:16:15 AM  
Free Jars?? Where? I need those
 
2013-04-23 03:07:44 AM  
Cult for a Russian guy huh? Where have I heard this before?

siberiantimes.com

The power of Screech compels you!
 
2013-04-23 03:53:12 AM  
I wonder how many marriage proposals he's gotten already...
 
2013-04-23 03:57:53 AM  

FriarReb98: Jahar, Jahar, he's our man.  If he can't do it,  GREAT!

\first thing that came to mind, TBH
\\also, any group that can't be bothered to spell its hero's name right is obviously a crappy group


Meh that part doesnt really bother me. Its just a different transliteration. Cyrillic lacks a J, so they use дж (dzh) instead. Also, Х (kh) is close to the h/ch sound in words like loch and hanukkah. The stupidity of defending the guy is the only thing here that should be ridiculed.
 
2013-04-23 04:19:20 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.


Someone once said "If we all woke up one morning, same color, same religion, same creed, by lunchtime we would figure out new ways to hate each other."
 
2013-04-23 04:22:12 AM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 300x476]

part 2, slightly graphic

Is there any doubt he was framed?


What's that on the hub cover, you retarded chimpanzee? You know, that big red splatter? 

And people wonder why America gets laughed at by the rest of the world, idiots like you don't know when to shut the fark up and leave it to the real professionals out there.
 
2013-04-23 04:32:22 AM  
I know I shouldn't click but...

Sad week in Boston coming to an end, but sad years coming for America as Hussein Obama continues doing false flags for Israel.

[wtfamireading?]

On the plus side, this #Freejahar hashtag has pissed off a few folks who have responded by opening a #Fryjahar hashtag.
 
2013-04-23 04:34:50 AM  

Tatsuma: I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.


Free speech, Tats... you have to take the good speech, with the bad speech...
 
2013-04-23 04:42:32 AM  
He's just ~ misunderstood~
 
2013-04-23 04:52:40 AM  

ghostwind: Tatsuma: I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.

Free speech, Tats... you have to take the good speech, with the bad speech...


This is true, but not all opinions are equal, and some of us just get tired of all the crap. "Freedom of speech doesn't mean that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge" (or something like that).
 
2013-04-23 04:53:45 AM  
www.tshirthell.com
 
2013-04-23 05:13:31 AM  

wasteofspace: doglover: jso2897: doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.

Well, now - that's a f**k - up right there, ain't it?

I was just pointing out how incredible ignorant of human nature it is to blame religion for what's essentially a divide of culture. There's always going to be us and them. If it's not Jesus vs Allah, it's blacks vs whites, the rich vs the poor, the free vs the tyrants, the Steelers vs the Browns. Religion a symptom of the divide, not the root cause. If it wasn't for Islam, they'd find another dividing line and exploit that to justify the violence.

Humans are like chimps, but not as nice.

Someone once said "If we all woke up one morning, same color, same religion, same creed, by lunchtime we would figure out new ways to hate each other."


We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers.  Sinister bunch.

/literally
 
2013-04-23 05:15:30 AM  

ban_sidhe: mekki: He's cute and young. And looks like a cross between a baby Bob Dylan and a puppy. In a boy band, he would be the pretty one. So, this happening is no surprise to me.

If was 58 and looked like shaved scrotum, his "fanbase" would barely be a blip.

I came here to say this (minus the bit about the scrotum because I'm just not that creative). Sad to say, the combination of "cute" and "famous" wins you a lot of fans no matter what heinous acts you've committed. As has been stated before in this thread, people are morons.

I can see where he probably got sucked into older brother's weirdness and would probably never have done anything horrible if left to his own devices. But he DID do something horrible. Just because he didn't think of it himself doesn't make it any less horrible or make him any less responsible for his actions.

/ My eldest cat's name is Tamerlane, which makes me even angrier at older brother.


Heh...does your cat rule an empire from the basement to the attic, with an iron claw?

Call himself the Sword of Cat-holicism?
 
2013-04-23 05:15:37 AM  

Abacus9: ghostwind: Tatsuma: I think one of the things I hate the most about the internet is how it has given a voice to the conspiracy theorist freaks.

Free speech, Tats... you have to take the good speech, with the bad speech...

This is true, but not all opinions are equal, and some of us just get tired of all the crap. "Freedom of speech doesn't mean that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge" (or something like that).


I could not agree with you more about this. But the one thing about freedom of speech is that you have the freedom to say what you want. Whether people listen to you or not is a different story. Not allowing these whackjobs the chance to say these things leads us to the situation from before people had this right.
 
2013-04-23 05:19:12 AM  

billygeek: He ran over his brother which probably caused him to die. He's guilty of at-least that.


Heh.  Vehicular homicide in Massachusetts WILL cost you...5 unsafe driver points.

More than twice the penalty for a speeding ticket.

http://www.dmv.org/ma-massachusetts/point-system.php#Surchargeable-P oi nt-Schedule

(yes, I know there can be more serious penalties attached...I just always found this odd)
 
2013-04-23 05:24:29 AM  

PunGent: We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers. Sinister bunch.


Southies. (You need an appropriate abbreviation that can is reductive and easily brandied as an epithet)
 
2013-04-23 05:27:51 AM  

doglover: jso2897: doglover: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Religion is a poison, delivered upon the weak, in need of food, hope and future. Instead they are given a false ideal, that fills no bellys, provides no future and delivers nothing but profit to the liars and prophets of the falsehood. This works for any. Catholics, xtians, muslims, buddhdists.....it is an endless litany in human history of the weak oppressed by the powerful who will do anything to sustain the lie.  If you're religious and you feel offended? Sorry. I believe in something bigger than any book, label or dogma.  It has no leader, prophet or label. Think about that.

That's why the Soviet Union was such a nice place to live.

So you tyhink that what was wrong with the USSR was just that they ran it by the  wrong bible?

They purged the poison of religion from their country. That's why everything was perfect there.


Everything certainly wasn't even close to perfect, but that whole "purged religion" thing?  not quite so clear-cut as pro-religion folks would have you believe.

For a quick overview:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union

For more in-depth reading, read Bloodlands, by Snyder; most of the killing in the 30's was done by the NKVD in the Ukraine.

NKVD officers were 40 percent Jewish...50% at the general officer level.  Awkward.
Of course, most of THEM were purged in turn by the end of the decade, so...karma?

For bonus points:  Tamerlane, the guy our terrorist was named after?
The Russians opened his tomb, then reburied him with full Muslim rites.

Creepy follow-on, for the superstitious:  Tamerlane's grave was cursed with the inscription "Who ever opens my tomb, shall unleash an invader more terrible than I."

The Germans invaded two days after they dug him up...
 
2013-04-23 05:31:06 AM  

gulogulo: PunGent: We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers. Sinister bunch.

Southies. (You need an appropriate abbreviation that can is reductive and easily brandied as an epithet)


"Southpaw" has been in use for a very long time.  It implies a bestial nature.
 
2013-04-23 05:34:27 AM  

gulogulo: PunGent: We're not waiting until lunchtime to get the left-handers. Sinister bunch.

Southies. (You need an appropriate abbreviation that can is reductive and easily brandied as an epithet)


Heh...you gotta be careful using "Southies" pejoratively in the Boston area, unless you're LOOKING for a fight...
 
2013-04-23 06:30:38 AM  
Well, at least these people are outing themselves in a public forum on Twitter so we can chose to not be friends with them... or hire them in the future.
 
2013-04-23 06:36:44 AM  
Before the shooting started, I had some doubts that they had found the right people.   After the footage was found that showed the one dropping the backpack and moving away, I had less of a doubt.    After they carjacked the vehicle and got in a shootout with the police, there weren't any doubts.   I don't understand the reasoning behind why folks think they were innocent.   I think getting the one alive will add to the credibility of the case.
 
2013-04-23 06:42:56 AM  

FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out


Wow, could you also see Logan Airport from your office window on 9/11?
 
2013-04-23 06:58:15 AM  

luxup: randomjsa: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

There is no greater enemy to liberalism than individual rights.

The problem with that as I see it are that individuals, when concerned mainly about themselves as individuals tend to be, try to justify their actions by claiming to be standing up for me when they are in fact acting selfishly.

When you stick your hands over your ears, dismiss every common sense point and only agree with those who agree with you then well, we all have a problem because there is no greater enemy to democracy than self centered selfishness.


You just described the behavior of the modern left perfectly.

But I'm not sure you're clear on what I mean by individual rights so i can't respond further.
 
2013-04-23 07:13:45 AM  
I like it when crazy assholes self identify - it makes it easy to avoid them.
 
2013-04-23 07:29:50 AM  
Dzhokhar  is pronounced Jafar I guess...these foreign names fool me everytime.

I thought it would be Zoh-car
 
2013-04-23 07:33:58 AM  

hardinparamedic: Elegy wins the potato award for this thread.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-23 07:35:13 AM  
The only thing that I have seen that makes me wonder about this stuff is this site..

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or -d o-you-think/     warning graphic.

mostly because of this picture when compared to the famous shot of the guy in the wheel chair with his feet blown off..  It does make you wonder..


buelahman.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-23 07:37:56 AM  

Great_Milenko: While I suspect that Dschinghis Kahn here probably was coerced by his older brother, he still participated in a criminal act, and needs to face the consequences of his actions.

There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.


he should have grown some and discovered the liberating joys of the word 'NO'. I say it all the time and my life is pretty good.
 
2013-04-23 07:41:46 AM  
not that I'm for the death penalty, but honestly: isn't this why we assassinated and disposed of bin Laden? so there wouldn't be a cult around him?
 
2013-04-23 07:42:39 AM  

Mugato: Silly Jesus: He has a lot of defenders on Fark.  Not too shocking that it's fairly widespread outside of this libtard haven.

Ok I know I should be ashamed of myself for biting at this bullshiat but pray tell, why would people defending this guy be a "libtard" thing?


Because radical Islam has no greater ally then the American Left. Which would be surprising considering that even moderate Islam stands for those things the left finds abhorant except that: a) both have as their primary enemy Christians and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and b) the left's primary goals have nothing for real to do with equality for women and gay rights (if they did they would treat Islam with a lot more hostility) and is all about power and money.
 
2013-04-23 07:44:38 AM  
There will always be people who think the government is up to something and that ordinary americans/people CANNOT be responsible for massively important/heinous occurrences.

I really hope that Obama does NOT push for the death penalty, because although I have no doubt dzokhar-tsarnaev is a skumbag who murdered innocents and hurt others, I oppose the death penalty in ALL cases without exception. Life in prison accomplishes the goal of punishing him and protecting society. The death penalty in my opinion is merely a lunge at "revenge" done out of anger.

I think that no matter how evil we are convinced someone is we never gain the right to end their life because sentient life is sacred, or at least as sacred as anything in this world can be "says me, the atheist". I reject the State's authority to take life other than circumstances where they pose a REAL current or future risk to people and they cannot be stopped effectively any other way.
 
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