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2013-04-22 09:29:54 PM

Silly Jesus: There's an entire thread about a liberal professor handwringing about the excessive force, and in the Fark comments you'll find several folks in agreement.


So, what you're saying is your initial comment was completely wrong.
 
2013-04-22 09:29:57 PM

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe the liberals are starting to back this guy - starting to make this guy a cause - just unreal to me - hope they reason

study it out, come up with something better.

If you're going to troll, learn the lingo, n00b
 
2013-04-22 09:30:31 PM

jaytkay: Great Janitor: jaytkay: Great Janitor: This isn't the Boobies to suggest that there was some sort of connection between the Right and/or the Teaparty and the Boston Bombers. Explain how?

Islamists are conservatives.

That's it???  Still makes no sense given that they don't like each other.

I was being flippant but the statement is true.

American conservatives and Islamic militants are not deliberately cooperating.

But they are working for the same goal of ruining the lives of normal people.


And what has the Conservatives done to ruin the lives of normal people?
 
2013-04-22 09:31:23 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will be epic if you wish to enlarge your ignore list.


Well done.
 
2013-04-22 09:31:40 PM
Let's all run over our terrorist brothers!
 
2013-04-22 09:32:48 PM
I'm not surprised. People are stupid. I hope he releases some statement about how proud he is that he did it and they are left trying to rationalize the crap they've spewed against his confession.
 
2013-04-22 09:32:50 PM
I see the truthers had to find a fresh reason for people to despise them.

Now there is the possibility that Tamerlan might have been the one to murder his lone American "friend" (Brendan Mess) and two others. I can't help but think it could have been an initiation, and obviously Dzhokhar would have been involved, as well. Before Tamerlan "found" Islamism, he was a bit of a pot head, the scenario I can see is that his friend offered him some pot, Tamerlan got upset, and decided it would make a good test to see if they could stomach killing Americans up close and personal...
 
2013-04-22 09:32:54 PM
Id be ok with putting everyone that supports him on the no fly list.
 
2013-04-22 09:33:27 PM

sheep snorter: Free Jahar supporters must be:
Freepers
Teahadists
and whatever other rightwing nuts there is.

/Meanwhile a few hundred people have been killed in religious violence around the World this past few days.
//Religious wars must stop and its up to the Christians to stop warring first as they have killed millions more people.


Freepers yes, teahadists, no.

Those are the ones who want to deny his constitutional right to trial.

Christians aren't fighting a war. The American govt is. Separation of church and state and all of that
 
2013-04-22 09:33:45 PM

propasaurus: scottydoesntknow: The Newtown guy had supporters.

...but enough about the NRA.



somuchwin.jpg
 
2013-04-22 09:33:59 PM

Triumph: KimNorth:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 318x239]


THE SAUDI WILL BE DEPORTED MARK MY WORDS!!!

 
2013-04-22 09:34:30 PM

tlchwi02: FriarReb98: \\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store

I must say it was very shocking to turn on the news Friday AM and here's a police command center in the parking lot of my local best buy/target/home depot


Was it more shocking than having a guy who bombed the marathon, killed a cop, carjacked a guy, run over his brother and throw explosives at cops on city streets?
 
2013-04-22 09:34:32 PM
He is pretty dreamy...

static.guim.co.uk

/someone will mock up a tiger beat with all those young men
 
2013-04-22 09:34:44 PM
In a fascist state, when the people with authority move against somebody and they are immediately guilty and you don't disagree.  In a just state, guilt is proven by a preponderance of the evidence and not who pissed who off, who lost money or what year the election is.  So far, we've been bating about .500, overall and you have to admit, this guy's case sucks hippo ass, but they gotta prove it beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt or the terrorists HAVE won.
 
2013-04-22 09:35:44 PM

luxup: FriarReb98: Great_Milenko: There's no happy ending to this story.  Just be glad there's an ending.

Living six miles from his campus and all the other miscellaneous threads of last week that I got tied into, I heartily say THIS.

\the kid mistakenly held at gunpoint by the FBI at the Port Jefferson ferry on Friday? Friend of mine.  You probably didn't hear about that one though
\\Work friends were locked in the Watertown Target all Thursday night because of the initial shootout outside the store
\\\Another friend of mine is a concierge at the Westin Copley, and passed the bombing site about twenty minutes beforehand
\Also, she needed to get Wolf Blitzer an electric blanket last night, guess it was cold out

The one they stripped naked?  If it's that guy he was all over the news for a bit.  Was he pissed?


No, I forget where that one was, actually.  The one I'm talking about happened at the ferry from New London to Port Jefferson IIRC.  He got pinned to the ground by officials with rifles, cuffed, interrogated, and then let go once they figured out he was the wrong guy.  I guess the fact that he's two years older, is from the town over from where the bomber went to school, and just generally doesn't think, act or sound like a disgruntled Muslim from Chechnya wasn't enough of a dead giveaway.

\his father is  pissed too...
 
2013-04-22 09:35:54 PM
If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups.
 
2013-04-22 09:36:33 PM

Lionel Mandrake: If you're going to troll, learn the lingo, n00b


Pretty harsh there bro - with all of the personal attacks and stuff / lack of that calm, rational, liberal logic we've been sitting on our seats waiting to hear. I'm sure you're just building up / we can look forward to something beyond what you've shown.
 
2013-04-22 09:36:44 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, you must mean those un-American libtardos that weren't immediately trying to figure out a way to strip him of his citizenship.


If only folks would realize that stripping citizens of their citizenship could in no way possibly have ramifications down the road. Truly, they are monsters...
 
2013-04-22 09:36:58 PM
When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.
 
2013-04-22 09:37:13 PM

This Face Left Blank: If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups, everybody would agree with me!

 
2013-04-22 09:37:17 PM
 
2013-04-22 09:37:20 PM
Some back that stuff just because they like to troll, but some actually believe in that craziness.  I am rendered speechless whenever I come across someone like that.  What do you say to someone who will walk right by the logical and sensible solution to embrace some bizarre conspiracy theory?  I don't even bother anymore.  Just write them off as a lost cause and move on.
 
2013-04-22 09:38:00 PM

Rapmaster2000: Meh.  Richard Ramirez raped and killed 13 women and still found some woman to marry him in prison.  I wouldn't put too much thought into this.


My mother was a social worker in a prison.  Should would have to interview some of these women who would apply to marry an inmate.  Conversation usually went something like this...

"Why do you want to marry so and so?"
"I love him yadda yadda."
"You do understand he is in here for committing rape?"
"I know but he is different now.  He loves me and I understand him blah blah blah..."

Pretty much what you would think.
 
2013-04-22 09:38:02 PM
Fark this punk, with a spike-covered Red Sox L-Ville Slugger.
 
2013-04-22 09:38:28 PM
It's a logical extension of #falseflag

I was thinking about doing a conspiracy theory website to load up with affiliate advertising but I've spent enough time arguing against conspiracy theorists. I've filed them in the same class as religious believers and given up on them. Although it might be fun arguing with someone some day and saying "Oh, you're quoting my troll-site. Let's go drop your name as one of the police sources. You're okay with being a Boston Lt. Detective, right?"

At least if I start a conspiracy theory that takes the nature of a religion I don't have to worry about being crucified.
 
2013-04-22 09:40:23 PM

bunner: Hector Remarkable: Hating on America? When did this start?

About an hour and a half after we told the English we weren't going to send them any more turpentine or pine tar.


Well we never should have done that. A man needs him his pine tar. Still, you can't let the King of England just walk in the door and start pushing you around. That's not what you want, is it? For the King of England to just come in and start pushing you around?
 
2013-04-22 09:40:35 PM

jso2897: I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.


Pinkos.

cdn2-b.examiner.com

Hard line "conservatives"

transhumanity.net
 
2013-04-22 09:41:22 PM

nickerj1: A more hilarious read from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/counterterrorism-trolls/all/

Apparently the US state dept has a Terrorist Trolling Dept.   Ya know, to crush the will of the young terrorists online so they don't actually go try to make bombs and shiat.


Did they hire Stephenie Meyer?

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-04-22 09:41:29 PM

Elegy: shanrick: Silly Jesus cast his net. He is a fisher of men, or farkers.

He usually gets a 1/10 in my book. Real trolls don't use nets, they throw out a single lure and watch the thread explode around it. SJ shiats up threads too much to be anything more than a third rate partisan hack.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 09:41:57 PM

Ihaveanevilparrot: And even people online try to make all kinds of excuses for him "He's just a kid, his brother probably brainwashed him, maybe he didn't even know what was going on."


I hate to say it, but I've had those thoughts about him. Then I remember that he left bombs, most likely saw the devastation, went back to life as normal, then continued hanging out with his brother, robbed a store etc etc.
It's possible he got in way over his head, but I also have no doubt that he did what he's accused of doing.

I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The people who think he's completely innocent are idiots though.
 
2013-04-22 09:42:13 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Truthers, trolls and nuts. It's the internet


Essential ingredients.
 
2013-04-22 09:43:24 PM
VOTE BARABAS


Meanwhile, we'll feed this sick fark to the wolves.
As it shold be.
 
2013-04-22 09:44:39 PM

LesserEvil: Before Tamerlan "found" Islamism, he was a bit of a pot head, the scenario I can see is that his friend offered him some pot, Tamerlan got upset, and decided it would make a good test to see if they could stomach killing Americans up close and personal...


Everyone is eyeing Tamerlan, but think about it this way. He was the one that was very obviously brainwashed into radicalism. He didn't really hide it. It was on his social networking pages, and he even attracted the attention of the fbi at one point.
The younger brother apparently showed no signs of such, and friends were surprised he was even religious at all. Kind of shows he's good at showing people what they want to see.
So who in this case seems like the more likely one to be convinced of something by someone charismatic? The younger brother, who is very charming and apparently good at making friends and convincing people he's a great guy, or the older brother who is alienated, and not very social or people oriented, nor tries to hide that fact? How do we know he's not the one that convinced his older brother to go through with it?
 
2013-04-22 09:44:43 PM

nmrsnr: Crazy people are crazy.


One thing we've learned in this modern era of greater data samples and more stored information is that crazy people aren't crazy insomuch as it's very easy to have a subdivision of crazy in an otherwise totally normal head. We are so good at compartmentalising we didn't really notice it back in the day,  and so crazy beliefs and ideas were just obscure or hidden - you'd only consider guys who ate their own leather straps to be 'crazy.' But the reality is that humans are fantastic at creating little nutty rooms in their heads, and some people wander in there and sit around for a while. Some people stay there longer than others, and some people don't come out - and it's that last group that we conventionally consider crazy.

Jon Ronson, speaking about Alex Jones, indicated that Jones comes out of his nutty room from time to time, but knows that long visits there are part of his bread and butter. In this regard, it makes Alex more horrible a human being - someone who knows that in his work there is some manipulation, some deceit - but is willing to do that, in the name of money and ego.
 
2013-04-22 09:45:25 PM
Well, his two buddies won't be enjoying tooling around in their BMW with "Terrorista #1" on the front plate any more... they are getting deported.

img2u.info

PRO TIP: Don't come to a western nation and put plates like that on your car, even if you didn't realize your "outrage guy" emulating friend is a worthless scumbag child murderer.
 
2013-04-22 09:46:34 PM

jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.


You are odd because you just bunch millions of people into a box from a few lines you read on a blog or maybe some encounters, etc and judged them collectively. In fact doing to them exactly what you accuse them of doing...there is a word for that, what is it??
 
2013-04-22 09:47:40 PM
Internet dentist-like typing detected.
 
2013-04-22 09:47:59 PM

Surpheon: Holy cow, there are people who don't have Silly Jesus on their ignore lists yet?


Who?
 
2013-04-22 09:48:05 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: #freejahar?


I farking love Tool! What do I win?!?!

Oh....OH...okay, I get it.
 
2013-04-22 09:48:51 PM
"He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

Stopped reading right there. If you can't at least get your basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev charged with using 'weapon of mass destruction'
 
2013-04-22 09:48:53 PM

erik-k: AdolfOliverPanties: Yep.  Innocent.  I know that if I were charged with something terrible, I would carjack someone, throw the homemade bombs I just happened have on me at the cop cars, run over my brother and shoot myself in the mouth when cornered by authorities.

That's what innocent people do.

Fixed to make the stupidity of the idea that he's innocent even more stupid. His attorney will go for the insanity defense... he's been charged in Federal court, they're probably gonna go for the needle, and he's got zero defense other than "I was mentally incompetent."


An attorney has plenty of room to establish reasonable doubt with a jury of idiots. If the police would have just asked the public for help sooner, we wouldn't have had so many other possible suspects.
 
2013-04-22 09:49:47 PM

KimNorth: jso2897: When , exactly, did people who call themselves "conservatives" become collectivists? I thought that collectivism was the philosophy of the Communist Reds.
And yet, today, I see people who argue for individualism being called "Liberals". and those who argue that people should be evaluated as members of the collective to which they belong calling themselves "conservatives". Weird.
Ayn Rand described the racist, or religious or nationalist bigot as a "barnyard collectivist" - and yet, today, the American rightist seems PROUD of his barnyard collectivism. The mentality of a person who can tell people apart by "race", or religion - buit is unable to distinguish between individual human beings.
Odd.

You are odd because you just bunch millions of people into a box from a few lines you read on a blog or maybe some encounters, etc and judged them collectively. In fact doing to them exactly what you accuse them of doing...there is a word for that, what is it??


Cheese.
 
2013-04-22 09:50:25 PM

vudukungfu: VOTE BARABAS


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-22 09:50:31 PM

Ihaveanevilparrot: LesserEvil: Before Tamerlan "found" Islamism, he was a bit of a pot head, the scenario I can see is that his friend offered him some pot, Tamerlan got upset, and decided it would make a good test to see if they could stomach killing Americans up close and personal...

Everyone is eyeing Tamerlan, but think about it this way. He was the one that was very obviously brainwashed into radicalism. He didn't really hide it. It was on his social networking pages, and he even attracted the attention of the fbi at one point.
The younger brother apparently showed no signs of such, and friends were surprised he was even religious at all. Kind of shows he's good at showing people what they want to see.
So who in this case seems like the more likely one to be convinced of something by someone charismatic? The younger brother, who is very charming and apparently good at making friends and convincing people he's a great guy, or the older brother who is alienated, and not very social or people oriented, nor tries to hide that fact? How do we know he's not the one that convinced his older brother to go through with it?


We will never know, but the older one isn't going to need an attorney any time in the future.
 
2013-04-22 09:51:42 PM
I may be a beginner at speed-reading but I could almost scroll through the first 150 posts in 6 seconds and just absorb the contents thanks to preconceived notions! Thanks ingrained ideas! (next 2 posts showing Im not a total asshole)
 
2013-04-22 09:52:05 PM

fusillade762: "He's farking innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to farking prove it, and there would actually be evidence," says one supporter, although the government has yet to charge the incapacitated, hospitalized Tsarnaev with a crime.

Stopped reading right there. If you can't at least get your basic facts right I'm not going to waste my time.


The article was written and posted before the criminal complaint was announced.
 
2013-04-22 09:54:24 PM

berylman: I may be a beginner at speed-reading but I could almost scroll through the first 150 posts in 6 seconds and just absorb the contents thanks to preconceived notions! Thanks ingrained ideas! (next 2 posts showing Im not a total asshole)


You were born knowing everything you will ever need to know anyway.
 
2013-04-22 09:54:39 PM

bunner: This Face Left Blank: If this were a just world, stupidity would be painful in groups, everybody would agree with me!



Did you RTFA?  Some of them are saying the bombing was FAKED.  Go on and defend that as not intensely stupid.  Do it.  There's room on my ignore list, and I have no issues ignoring people that would defend that patently insane idea.  In fact, I wish everyone who was that idiotic would so clearly show themselves to be.
 
2013-04-22 09:54:48 PM

Bedstead Polisher: I hate to say it, but I've had those thoughts about him.


So did I at first.

Then I saw better video of him, noticed his calm demeanor and such, thought about how everyone gives him a free pass (probably has his whole life), and how even when he went back to school afterwards no one noticed any red flags, and thought "Nah, this seems like a cold motherfarker."

A lot of people didn't like his brother and thought he was a bad influence and bad kid. The younger one is the opposite. If he's a sociopath and the planning was encouraged by him from the beginning, I also wouldn't be surprised if he ran over his brother to keep him from talking. If he's been so good at snowing people his whole life, why wouldn't he figure he can possibly get away with this too, by pawning it off on his brother?

Like I said, he just seems too "normal" to be genuinely so, especially given what he did. More like he tells everyone what they want to hear and shows the persona they want to see so that no one has a bad word to say about him. Most people have at least someone that doesn't like them, but you're not seeing ANYONE coming out going "Yeah, I never liked him, he just rubbed me the wrong way," at all. The family defends him, friends can't believe he did it, even given video evidence.
EVERYONE liked him, and that's not really normal, especially after a horrible act that should have people coming out of the woodwork with negative comments.
 
2013-04-22 09:55:24 PM
 10 - 1 it's a trap. Jahar will find out at their first meetup that every member of the freejahar group is a resident of Boston.
But it  will be too late, as he realizes he should have listened to his uncle Ackbar.

Hypnozombie
 
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