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2013-04-22 03:09:57 PM  

ManateeGag: TheShavingofOccam123: AFTER BEING INTERROGATED  BY THE CIA AND OTHER "INTERROGATION" EXPERTS.

Probably without legal counsel present.  And I'm sure they'll wait until he's off all medication, out of critical condition  and in reasonable health before they tortu...er, question him.

are you retarded?


Either that or he's super-trolling.
 
2013-04-22 03:10:34 PM  

ManRay: slayer199: He should be tried as an American citizen.

Of course, his defense will blame it on his older brother in an effort to get a reduction.

How about this: My older brother was the mastermind of the bomb plot and trigger man in the shooting. He threatened me with my life if I didn't go along with it. I was hiding out because I was scared and didn't know who to trust.


It doesn't even really need to be under threat of life. The father returned to Russia, so it seems like Tamerlan was probably the father figure in Dzhokar's life. I dunno. When you're 19 and your family tells you to drop a backpack somewhere, you may not be smart enough to know better.

Be a whole lot easier if the other brother was alive instead of the young one.
 
2013-04-22 03:11:01 PM  

NostroZ: dallylamma: [farm4.static.flickr.com image 479x383]

And that's how young Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got to become cellmates with the man know to inmates and guards alike as Rape-Assaurus Rex. My my.

Why do we as American citizens tolerate RAPE in prison?
If there's a CRUEL and UNUSUAL punishment, it's to be PHYSICALLY RAPED while you're in the "custody of the government".

Seriously people.
Prison rape in the USA is a casual joke... about human rights abuse!!!


Because we want prison to be a punishment.  We, as a people, want the guilty to suffer for what they have done.  (Not saying it's me personally, but this seems to be our consensus as a society).  We have completely given up on rehabilitation, and have turned prisons into long-term criminal containment/disposal facilities.  Remove the criminal element from society forever by locking them away.

The idea of just locking somebody up for a long time doesn't seem like much of a punishment though.  They get food, and shelter, and medical care, and probably a TV and a gym too.  They won't have to worry about losing their job and thus their home and health insurance, they won't have to worry about the cost of living or commuting to work.  People want prison to be something to fear, to be scared of, and just going into a safe, clean, well built and orderly prison where there is no real risk of brutal violence seems. . .not much to fear at all compared to everyday life.

The idea of prison rape, that seems to add the "Karmic justice" factor.  As a people, we would never officially sanction this, we'd never sentence people to be raped. . .but if some criminal gets brutalized by his fellow degenerates for being bad even by their standards (much like it's common knowledge that pedophiles get the worst treatment in prison), we feel better knowing justice was served.  Jeffrey Dahmer eluded the death penalty for his cannibalistic serial-killer spree. . .so a fellow inmate killed him, and no tears were shed.

My theory on this anyway.
 
2013-04-22 03:11:13 PM  

Daedalus27: Furthermore, the murders themselves are rolled into the charge as proving deaths occured is an element of what is being charged in case anyone was wondering why there are only two charges with the multiple deaths and injuries.


Also, these are preliminary charges. The Grand Jury has not convened yet, much less returned indictments.
 
2013-04-22 03:11:26 PM  

letrole: What a disappointment.

But at least your high-minded priciples won't suffer as a little girl picks up a booby-trapped doll left at a playground.


Or when a fertilizer plant explodes in your daddy's face.

Or, when a meth-addicted polar bear rapes your mother and dials phone sex lines from your house.

Or...

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2013-04-22 03:11:51 PM  

SithLord: HotWingConspiracy: Phony GOP Americans must be inconsolable.

ummm...no.  Because if he was a US Citizen and held indefinitely without charges, you can sure bet the GOP would be in a tizzy about Obama assuming dictatorial powers.


I would hope that everyone in the U.S. would be in more than a tizzy about Obama assuming dictatorial powers...
 
2013-04-22 03:12:00 PM  

starsrift: ManRay: slayer199: He should be tried as an American citizen.

Of course, his defense will blame it on his older brother in an effort to get a reduction.

How about this: My older brother was the mastermind of the bomb plot and trigger man in the shooting. He threatened me with my life if I didn't go along with it. I was hiding out because I was scared and didn't know who to trust.

It doesn't even really need to be under threat of life. The father returned to Russia, so it seems like Tamerlan was probably the father figure in Dzhokar's life. I dunno. When you're 19 and your family tells you to drop a backpack somewhere, you may not be smart enough to know better.

Be a whole lot easier if the other brother was alive instead of the young one.


Well from reports coming out it seems like the younger bro actually killed his brother by running him over.  That was the death blow, from what i've been hearing.
 
2013-04-22 03:12:04 PM  

somedude210: well...from everything that's been released, it was his older brother that got pissy and started planning this, they younger brother was more of "oh hey, I'll help you bro"


Whoppy-do...  He's a dead man regardless of whether or not he followed his brother like a lap dog.

Either the dude spends the rest of his life in solitary waiting to be executed, or the dude spends the rest of his life in solitary waiting for his natural death... either way... it is going to suck to be him (good).
 
2013-04-22 03:13:08 PM  

Daedalus27: Electrify: FlashHarry: Shrugging Atlas: Charged with using a Weapon of Mass Destruction?

Fusion bomb?  WMD
Home made bomb in a pressure cooker?  Doesn't really seem like a WMD to me.

yeah... i dunno... i mean there were mass casualties, but this would mean that just about any bomber could be charged with this. not that i'm against it, i guess, but it does seem to lump it in with someone with a dirty bomb or sarin canister or something similar.

Three people died. Not to dismiss the importance of the incident or to belittle the importance of the lives lost, but it is looking as if he would have got less jail time if he simply bought a gun and shot four people to death.

/not trying to troll here, sorry if it comes off that way
//just that this may be the most pathetic "terrorist" attack in the history of terrorist attacks

A gun under the US code is considered a weapon of mass destruction for the purposes of these laws.  It makes no difference if you shoot someone, blow them up, use a nuke, use poison gas or biological weapons.  Furthermore, the murders themselves are rolled into the charge as proving deaths occured is an element of what is being charged in case anyone was wondering why there are only two charges with the multiple deaths and injuries.


The only firearms I've seen that match the caliber requirements for the WMD laws are old (or reproduction) muzzle-loaders.
 
2013-04-22 03:13:10 PM  

ongbok: cretinbob: uncleacid: Who's going to pay for the guys boat?

His insurance company. That's why you buy insurance.

They will find away to weasel out of it, they always do. I remember one of my neighbors had his car totaled by a guy that crashed into it while running from the police in a stolen car. The insurance company refused to pay because they said the accident was a result of a police chase and the town is responsible.


Yeah, The biggest insurance fraud is the insurance industry itself.
 
2013-04-22 03:14:48 PM  

MassD: somedude210: well...from everything that's been released, it was his older brother that got pissy and started planning this, they younger brother was more of "oh hey, I'll help you bro"

Whoppy-do...  He's a dead man regardless of whether or not he followed his brother like a lap dog.

Either the dude spends the rest of his life in solitary waiting to be executed, or the dude spends the rest of his life in solitary waiting for his natural death... either way... it is going to suck to be him (good).


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"Yeeeehaaaa!"
 
2013-04-22 03:15:06 PM  

cretinbob: I'll just leave this here.........

Xyphoid:

Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.

My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American. Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others. As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction). In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary).

My opinion in regard to my faith and as a human being is that no unnecessary suffering (excluding any pain due to life-saving or life-maintaining actions) should come to him, even though I believe he likely did it (to the effect I'd have to sit out of a jury). I also believe that he shouldn't be sentenced to death unless his continued existence, no matter what actions we could possibly undertake, would still pose a threat to innocent life.

Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Whatever this persons motivations were, you wishing those kinds of things upon him, suggesting you'd be ambivalent to them happening, or wishing you could do it yourself makes you the same kind of person you believe this fellow to be. You don't think terrorists have their own justification, like you, for thinking their actions (or willingness to cause suffering) as right?

/Two Iraq deployments for a year and a half
//Despite being shot at, fellow soldiers injured and killed, poisoned, threatened, insulted and knowing that if I was captured that terrible things would be done to me, 100% of any prisoners or suspects I had control of were treated like human beings. Not just because of my beliefs, but that's how decent and civilized ...


SO MUCH THIS. ^^^

Thanks to being wayyy oversaturated with the background early on, I already understood these guys had citizenship.

The Miranda Rights exceptions bother me, but I'm aware that police "time" the Miranda readings very carefully and to their own advantage, most of the time anyway. That's kind of a foregone conclusion.

When later there was this immediate noise of "Try them as Enemy Combatants!!!111" making the rounds in certain news media, I was incredulous.

They're citizens, try them as citizens to the fullest possible extent of the law and quit even considering extrajudicial nonsense. It worked against Timothy McVeigh, it'll work here.

You don't have to be a frothing conspiracy theorist to want to see others' rights respected as American citizens, however heinous the crime and charges.

Always, always remember:

Rights eroded in the name of prosecutorial fervor will quickly come to bear on the rest of us.
 
2013-04-22 03:15:30 PM  

praxcelis: Uchiha_Cycliste: You know what?
I fully understand where you are coming from, but I don't think that we can deny that humans in general have urgings towards comeuppance and revenge. After 30,000 years of basic society and existence it is apparently a part of who we are. I'm torn between wanting him to have the full protection of the law, and wanting him to receive a savage and righteous beating administered by the newly limbless runners and spectators now adjusting to the rest of their life sort of sucking. I don't think I'd have a problem if those guys were taken to the hospital or dump or morgue where their former legs and arms now reside, taking those limbs to a public square where this kid is in stocks and beating the snot out of him with the limbs they will never use again.
I feel bad for those guys. I love my ,mobility, my freedom,the 45 miles a day I ride on my bike. I'm ever so grateful I can hop on a bicycle and ride a half a century and climb a few thousand feet and be at the beach in a couple hours. Where do we draw the line between civility and denying our more primal nature?

I'm honestly curious to hear what you think about this viewpoint.

You're right.  Underneath the thin veneer of civilization we're a bunch of tribal apes.  We've had a lot more practice at being apes.  It's only the decision we make every day that we're not going to give in and pound the crap out of whoever pisses us off that makes us civilized.

We have to remember that it's up to each of us to be better than that.  That we are stronger as a community, that we will deal humanely with the broken examples among us and not revert to our baser selves that is what this whole enlightened civilization thing is all about.  Not about being the alpha ape and being scarier than the other tribe, but about being the example that lights up the darker corners of a world that is still driven more by fear and power-seeking.

As far as the appropriate penalty, I think the best in terms of justice a ...


I feel like this is an over idealized response. We are inching towards a society where people are equals, and we can detach emotion from our judicial responses to horrific acts but we aren't there yet. There is a lot of anger about what these kids did and there is going to be a lot of resentment for a very long time. Just playing devil's advocate here. If letting the limbless beat this kid were able to annihilate the majority of that anger. I'm not talking about beating him to death, I'm not talking about permanently ruining his body, but just a good old fashioned ass whooping was able to satiate the population who right now is rightfully angry and has no where to funnel those feelings isn't it worth considering?  Let's add some silly numbers and scenarios   to the situation: let's say that all that pent up rage results in an uptick in domestic violence and child beatings. Angry people who decided to take out their anger on those close to them because they are cowards and have no other outlet. And let's say a public act of this kid being beaten by the limbs he dismembered were able to prevent those acts of domestic violence. Can you truly say it's still not worth considering?
 
2013-04-22 03:15:59 PM  

FarkedOver: starsrift: ManRay: slayer199: He should be tried as an American citizen.

Of course, his defense will blame it on his older brother in an effort to get a reduction.

How about this: My older brother was the mastermind of the bomb plot and trigger man in the shooting. He threatened me with my life if I didn't go along with it. I was hiding out because I was scared and didn't know who to trust.

It doesn't even really need to be under threat of life. The father returned to Russia, so it seems like Tamerlan was probably the father figure in Dzhokar's life. I dunno. When you're 19 and your family tells you to drop a backpack somewhere, you may not be smart enough to know better.

Be a whole lot easier if the other brother was alive instead of the young one.

Well from reports coming out it seems like the younger bro actually killed his brother by running him over.  That was the death blow, from what i've been hearing.


See, and that's exactly the sort of thing a good defense lawyer could use. Does he kill his brother to strangle evidence? Because he knew his brother would want to go out in a blaze of glory? He hated his brother for putting him this position? He had second thoughts? He just panicked?
 
2013-04-22 03:16:04 PM  
letrole: What a disappointment. But at least your high-minded priciples won't suffer as a little girl picks up a booby-trapped doll left at a playground.

vodka zombie: [list of redacted non-sequiters]


I'm not sure about your point.

But if you comb your hair the other way, it may not show as bad.
 
2013-04-22 03:16:11 PM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: This is why there needs to be laws about weapons of -mass- mass destruction, or mass, mass mass destruction. We could get creative with the punishments, what with all the advances in medical tech, too. Imagine, double death penalty. We kill you, bring you back to life to taunt you, then kill you for reals. Also, sterilize your entire family or some shiat.


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Approves.
 
2013-04-22 03:17:41 PM  
Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.
 
2013-04-22 03:17:54 PM  
Talk of the nation is discussing right now about how these peoples lives are going to change because they are now single or double amputees. It's something I can't imagine going through, and it's something I'm regularly grateful I don't have to worry about.
It's partially why I've pursued this vein of arguments.
 
2013-04-22 03:18:16 PM  

letrole: letrole: What a disappointment. But at least your high-minded priciples won't suffer as a little girl picks up a booby-trapped doll left at a playground.

vodka zombie: [list of redacted non-sequiters]


I'm not sure about your point.

But if you comb your hair the other way, it may not show as bad.


Don't worry, sunshine.  If you dream it, it will come true.
 
2013-04-22 03:19:01 PM  

keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.


and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list
 
2013-04-22 03:21:42 PM  

skullkrusher: keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.

and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list


He'll be locked in a tiny cell deep underground with the worst of the worst where he'll spend 23 hours a day and get one hour a day to go out and get exercise.  He'll basically be cut off from the world, and certainly won't be anybody's biatch.
 
2013-04-22 03:22:36 PM  

skullkrusher: keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.

and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list


My guess is he will be spending most of his time in a protective custody unit if he avoids the death penalty.
 
2013-04-22 03:23:31 PM  

NostroZ: LordJiro: FarkedOver: gilgigamesh: People get tried on federal charges all the time. Mail fraud, wire fraud, bank robbery, drug importation, RICO... its pretty commonplace. I don't see why its a problem here.

Massachusetts is state that doesn't have the death penalty.  If he is charged federally he will face the death penalty.  I'd rather him not be executed.

This. The death penalty is barbaric; the government should not be in the business of revenge. Keeping him behind bars for the rest of his life should suffice.

/Probably won't happen. Pretty good odds that he gets the needle.

Agreed.
We don't prove how civilized we are by government sanctioned killing of citizens.


We don't prove that taking someone and keeping them in a small room against their room by taking people and putting them in a small room against their will.
 
2013-04-22 03:24:25 PM  

keylock71: skullkrusher: keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.

and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list

My guess is he will be spending most of his time in a protective custody unit if he avoids the death penalty.


Hopefully he will be protected from other inmates and himself as we can reasonably assume he has no desire to live considering that reports suggest that his injuries are mostly self inflicted.

Giving him the death penalty is the easy way.  This farker needs to rot.  He then needs to be thrown into an unmarked grave when he dies a slow natural death.
 
2013-04-22 03:24:39 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Well, my point was the term WMD which harkens from the Cold War used to only apply to Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapons. The term seems to have expanded quite a bit since back in the day to now include pressure cooker bombs.

But to your point, that the number of injured or killed dictates mass destruction. Be careful with that kind of stupidity. The cretin in Aurora killed 12 and wounded 50 something with a gun, all on his own. Are guns now WMDs?


It all depends on use. Lobbing a grenade in a fox hole with a terrorist or two is a tactical choice. Lobbing a grenade into a crowded movie theater is mass destruction. I also believe that in the Aurora case that yes, that gun was a weapon of mass destruction. I also live in Aurora and my coworker was shot...so I may be biased.

By the same account, is detonating a Nuke in the middle of the Gobi still mass destruction?
 
2013-04-22 03:25:52 PM  

keylock71: skullkrusher: keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.

and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list

My guess is he will be spending most of his time in a protective custody unit if he avoids the death penalty.


spending the rest of your life on lockdown at 19 years of age sounds sufficiently awful
 
2013-04-22 03:26:44 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I feel like this is an over idealized response. We are inching towards a society where people are equals, and we can detach emotion from our judicial responses to horrific acts but we aren't there yet. There is a lot of anger about what these kids did and there is going to be a lot of resentment for a very long time. Just playing devil's advocate here. If letting the limbless beat this kid were able to annihilate the majority of that anger. I'm not talking about beating him to death, I'm not talking about permanently ruining his body, but just a good old fashioned ass whooping was able to satiate the population who right now is rightfully angry and has no where to funnel those feelings isn't it worth considering? Let's add some silly numbers and scenarios to the situation: let's say that all that pent up rage results in an uptick in domestic violence and child beatings. Angry people who decided to take out their anger on those close to them because they are cowards and have no other outlet. And let's say a public act of this kid being beaten by the limbs he dismembered were able to prevent those acts of domestic violence. Can you truly say it's still not worth considering?


I'm glad you prefaced that with an admission it was a silly conjecture.  If you have to reach that far to justify giving in to atavistic violence then I think that might be a tacit acceptance that it's not worth the stretch.

Yes, I'm an idealist.  There needs to be something worthy to strive for, to keep reminding ourselves that we're members of a civilization.  It's precisely at moments like this that we have to be better than our ape selves.  It's easy to be civilized when things are pleasant and drama-free.  It matters more right now, when our animal natures are screaming for blood to answer for blood.
 
2013-04-22 03:27:10 PM  

Treygreen13: You should tell that to the victims who were killed by murderers released from prison who killed again.


Tell them that I'm not responsible for that? Sure thing, chief.

Treygreen13: There has to be more to our justice system than "you did your time, get out there and start murdering again."


There's really quite a bit more to it than that. If you're somehow under the impression that that's all there is to it, I can understand why you're upset.

Treygreen13: Personally, I will never lose a wink of sleep worrying about whether or not the obviously guilty admitted murderers feel distressed as they are lethally injected. If that really bothers you, then campaign against the death penalty all you want.


Who are you talking to here? It can't be me; we've never discussed this subject before.
 
2013-04-22 03:27:13 PM  
Tsarnaev, 19, was charged with one count of using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction resulting in death and one count of malicious destruction of property by means of an explosive device resulting in death, according to a statement from the Justice Department.

So then technically, Colin Powell and the Bush Administration was right all along?

Fark me.
 
2013-04-22 03:27:55 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: ZAZ: Shrugging Atlas

Quoting my post from yesterday's thread:

For purposes of federal criminal law, a "weapon of mass destruction" includes any "destructive device." 18 USC 2332a. A "destructive device" includes any bomb, grenade, rocket with more than four ounces of propellant, and any projectile launcher with a caliber over .50 inches (except for Attorney General approved shotguns). 18 USC 921. A potato gun is a weapon of mass destruction, if "designed for use as a weapon" and used against a U.S. national.

Ah, thanks for the knowledge.  Sweet christ that's a pretty wide open definition.


Well, it makes sense. Something that can harm a number of people at once would be considered a mass destruction weapon.
 
2013-04-22 03:28:42 PM  

skullkrusher: spending the rest of your life on lockdown at 19 years of age sounds sufficiently awful


sounds appropriate for the level of mayhem and scars this brat has inflicted
 
2013-04-22 03:30:57 PM  

praxcelis: Uchiha_Cycliste: I feel like this is an over idealized response. We are inching towards a society where people are equals, and we can detach emotion from our judicial responses to horrific acts but we aren't there yet. There is a lot of anger about what these kids did and there is going to be a lot of resentment for a very long time. Just playing devil's advocate here. If letting the limbless beat this kid were able to annihilate the majority of that anger. I'm not talking about beating him to death, I'm not talking about permanently ruining his body, but just a good old fashioned ass whooping was able to satiate the population who right now is rightfully angry and has no where to funnel those feelings isn't it worth considering? Let's add some silly numbers and scenarios to the situation: let's say that all that pent up rage results in an uptick in domestic violence and child beatings. Angry people who decided to take out their anger on those close to them because they are cowards and have no other outlet. And let's say a public act of this kid being beaten by the limbs he dismembered were able to prevent those acts of domestic violence. Can you truly say it's still not worth considering?

I'm glad you prefaced that with an admission it was a silly conjecture.  If you have to reach that far to justify giving in to atavistic violence then I think that might be a tacit acceptance that it's not worth the stretch.

Yes, I'm an idealist.  There needs to be something worthy to strive for, to keep reminding ourselves that we're members of a civilization.  It's precisely at moments like this that we have to be better than our ape selves.  It's easy to be civilized when things are pleasant and drama-free.  It matters more right now, when our animal natures are screaming for blood to answer for blood.


You are reiterating what you said before. And I agree it's one hell of a stretch, but let's work through the thought experiment. Do we deny society as a whole the public catharsis of a righteously (and poetically) administered asswhooping in order to strive for a utopia that is many generations out of our reach. Even at the cost of some innocents we will never hear about that will suffer the brunt of that absent catharsis?
 
2013-04-22 03:30:58 PM  

skullkrusher: Vodka Zombie: What the hell else would you try an American citizen as?

sometimes we don't try them at all...

[mycatbirdseat.com image 450x300]


Hey, if you want to go into enemy territory, find the person, arrest them, and drag them back to the US for trial, go right ahead.

If they're in enemy arms and actively working for the enemy, they're enemy combatants and will be dealt with as such.
 
2013-04-22 03:32:12 PM  
*sigh*

Once again, to all of the Farkers fantasizing about male rape and prison justice... prisoners in Federal Supermax don't see each other. Ever. No communal dining, exercise, anything. Supermax was created because some inmates had a habit of killing other people while in prison. It's simply not possible in Supermax, where you spend 23 hours a day in 'solitary' and all time outside of that is just you under heavy guard. The place is supposedly quiet as a tomb.
 
2013-04-22 03:32:14 PM  

skullkrusher: keylock71: skullkrusher: keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.

and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list

My guess is he will be spending most of his time in a protective custody unit if he avoids the death penalty.

spending the rest of your life on lockdown at 19 years of age sounds sufficiently awful



I was thinking yesterday this is the perfect litmus test for whether or not someone is pro or anti death penalty.  And it's a perfect situation for why I'm pro death penalty (with reforms).  Here, we have all sorts of video shots of this kid committing the crime, there is no doubt of guilt.  And we have a heinous crime for which I bet a lot of people are willing to compromise their stance/morals.

I know you're not, don't mean to imply you are, this back and forth just made me think of that.
 
2013-04-22 03:33:54 PM  

skullkrusher: spending the rest of your life on lockdown at 19 years of age sounds sufficiently awful


Indeed... It's basically what they do with the worst of the worst in prison or prisoners in danger of being killed /raped by other prisoners. 23 hour lockdown. No contact at all with any other prisoners. Meals alone in cell. One hour in a small yard by themselves to exersize. Nothing but time to think. Assuming he lives the average life span... 60+ years of that.

I think it's a fitting punishment, myself. (If he's found guilty, of course) He choose to remove himself from society by his actions, so the state will oblige him.


FarkedOver: Giving him the death penalty is the easy way.


It's also barbaric and not befitting a supposedly civilized society, but that's just my opinion.
 
2013-04-22 03:34:32 PM  
Good.
 
2013-04-22 03:34:33 PM  

letrole: Would you object to torture as an interrogation method if he revealed the location of another planted bomb with a hair trigger, but only after his left hand was crushed in a vice?


THAT LEVEL OF BARBARITY IS ONLY ACCEPTABLE WHEN DEALING WITH TROLLS.
 
2013-04-22 03:35:17 PM  

cretinbob: ManRay: How about this: My older brother was the mastermind of the bomb plot and trigger man in the shooting. He threatened me with my life if I didn't go along with it. I was hiding out because I was scared and didn't know who to trust.

Except you know, for the video of him dropping the bomb and running.
Court doesn't care about explanations.
Did you do it, or didn't you? That's the question.


Actually, I think you'll find during the sentencing part of the trial "explanations" may save you from lethal injection.  See Terry Nichols, state trial.
 
2013-04-22 03:35:39 PM  

SilentStrider: Good.


should done it with a grumpy cat =P
 
2013-04-22 03:35:51 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: keylock71: skullkrusher: keylock71: Think the best outcome this kid can hope for is Life Without Parole...

If he truly is guilty, then I want him to live the rest of his miserable life in prison and be reminded daily he is nothing more than a murderer and a coward.

and the fact that he's slight and pretty, you can probably add "biatch" to that list

My guess is he will be spending most of his time in a protective custody unit if he avoids the death penalty.

spending the rest of your life on lockdown at 19 years of age sounds sufficiently awful

I was thinking yesterday this is the perfect litmus test for whether or not someone is pro or anti death penalty.  And it's a perfect situation for why I'm pro death penalty (with reforms).  Here, we have all sorts of video shots of this kid committing the crime, there is no doubt of guilt.  And we have a heinous crime for which I bet a lot of people are willing to compromise their stance/morals.

I know you're not, don't mean to imply you are, this back and forth just made me think of that.


still opposed to it but from a philosophical-spiritual perspective, not because of any doubt about his guilt. I don't like people being killed in my name unnecessarily. Life in prison with no chance of seeing the outside again makes his death unnecessary imo
 
2013-04-22 03:37:49 PM  

keylock71: FarkedOver: Giving him the death penalty is the easy way.

It's also barbaric and not befitting a supposedly civilized society, but that's just my opinion.


Oh that too.  But killing him is playing into his hand.  He will be dead probably by the time he is 30ish if he gets the needle.
 
2013-04-22 03:38:17 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: You are reiterating what you said before. And I agree it's one hell of a stretch, but let's work through the thought experiment. Do we deny society as a whole the public catharsis of a righteously (and poetically) administered asswhooping in order to strive for a utopia that is many generations out of our reach. Even at the cost of some innocents we will never hear about that will suffer the brunt of that absent catharsis?


Yes, we do deny it.  That was the point I was making.  We're supposed to be better than that.

Fantasize about bloody limb-beating all you like--I never said it was possible to eliminate our animal inside, it's what makes us human after all--but the moment you put that into practice you've demonstrated you're just as broken.
 
2013-04-22 03:39:12 PM  
I have to agree, at this point 'WMD' has no meaning.
 
2013-04-22 03:42:03 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Tell them that I'm not responsible for that? Sure thing, chief.


Ok. When Laylah Crawford of Cleveland grows up, email her. She's 5 now, but she'll be old enough one day. Tell her that the man who was paroled from a murder charge and then shot her mother and 4 of her family members in the head was not the fault of the justice system and there was nothing that could have been done to stop it.

thurstonxhowell: There's really quite a bit more to it than that. If you're somehow under the impression that that's all there is to it, I can understand why you're upset.


I understand there's more to it. That's why my original assertion in this thread that the death penalty is more than a black and white (right or wrong) issue is wrong. A lot goes into it.

thurstonxhowell: Who are you talking to here? It can't be me; we've never discussed this subject before.


One of you guys who I'm discussing with. It's hard to keep all the different aspects of this discussion straight since I'm arguing different facets with different people.
 
2013-04-22 03:42:45 PM  

skullkrusher: still opposed to it but from a philosophical-spiritual perspective, not because of any doubt about his guilt. I don't like people being killed in my name unnecessarily. Life in prison with no chance of seeing the outside again makes his death unnecessary imo


Yeah that just seems to be the most common argument against it - doubt about guilt.  This eliminates that, so we can get straight at the philosophical-spiritual perspective.  So anyone willing to make an exception here has no philosophical beef with the death penalty.

I'd like to see him executed but don't feel that strongly.  They tried for more but only got 4 people and he's only 19, so he's still a stupid teenager.  I'd get over a life in prison sentence.
 
2013-04-22 03:45:10 PM  
Have fun rotting at ADX Florence, dirtbag.
 
2013-04-22 03:45:47 PM  
Well, using McVey as a guide,  Saturday, June 8, 2019  will be the day this farker gets a bolus of  Sodium thiopental.....
 
2013-04-22 03:46:21 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, it makes sense. Something that can harm a number of people at once would be considered a mass destruction weapon.


Really though?  Are guns WMDs?  What about the model of planes flown into WTC 1 and 2?  A car driven by an 80 year old anywhere near a Farmer's Market?

I wouldn't consider them WMDs because I think the argument pivots to the intent of the item.  Planes and cars aren't designed to kill people, but what about guns?  If we're talking explosives, what about standard explosives used in highway construction?

Look at Sandy Hook.  26 dead in minutes through the use of a single weapon.  How is that not Mass Destruction?  And look at the impact...a nation further divided over yet another issue.  Talk of armed guards in schools, increased survelliance.

I'll be honest...I'm not sure where I'm going with this.  My original comment was just to point out the rather odd evolution of the term WMD from back in the day when I worked in the field and we were talking fusion bombs to now where it seems to include potato guns.
 
2013-04-22 03:49:18 PM  
Good.

He's accused of blowing up an sweet 8 year old boy, two beautiful young women and a cop. Good luck with that...

Oh, I find it nice that this jackwad will also spend his time in jail until his execution by being maimed, injured and unable to speak.

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