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(Yahoo)   Back in the '60s there was a big scandal in Argentina when a bishop got married. When he was dying in the hospital, his wife became such good friends with the priest ministering to her that he called her every week--until he became Pope Francis   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 70
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2013-04-22 02:19:35 PM  
Huh, the pope is a genuinely nice guy who supports rules horribly backwards rules.  Who could have seen that coming?  He's probably against women clergy too.
 
2013-04-22 02:31:06 PM  
Maybe he will lighten up.
 
2013-04-22 02:33:55 PM  
Maybe God should have ran a better background check on the new Papa??
 
2013-04-22 02:40:55 PM  

revrendjim: Maybe he will lighten up.


And we're done here.
 
2013-04-22 03:21:43 PM  
Did he cry for them?
 
2013-04-22 03:22:50 PM  

revrendjim: Maybe he will lighten up.


I was going to post but I can't top this.  You win.
 
2013-04-22 03:24:09 PM  
JEZEBEL!!!
 
2013-04-22 03:24:52 PM  

revrendjim: Maybe he will lighten up.


/thread
 
2013-04-22 03:25:09 PM  
Dear internet, Pope Francis isn't going to change everything you hate about the Catholic Church. Just deal with it.
 
2013-04-22 03:25:30 PM  
But isn't he gay?


/bi?
 
2013-04-22 03:25:57 PM  
Vow of celibacy my ass. Pope was hittin that
 
2013-04-22 03:26:24 PM  

revrendjim: Maybe he will lighten up.


Oh, I finally just got that. Yep, done in 2.
 
2013-04-22 03:27:24 PM  
and he just STOPPED CALLING?  Keep it up Francis, you'll get promoted to Saint.
 
2013-04-22 03:28:14 PM  
I doubt that Francis will change the Church's stance on the clergy marrying. Fiascos like the Borgias instigated probably still scare them. However, it would be interesting if he did...
 
2013-04-22 03:29:19 PM  
Playas gotta play.
 
2013-04-22 03:30:48 PM  
Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

What is more likely to happen, in my mind, is that the church will handle priest shortages by allowing lay people to perform more and more priestly duties... like performing Sunday masses. They can already give out communion and give sermons. They'll save the priests for performing marriages and other 'important' things like first communion, confirmation, etc. This way, priests could conceivably serve more than one parish.
 
2013-04-22 03:30:49 PM  

Anastacya: I doubt that Francis will change the Church's stance on the clergy marrying. Fiascos like the Borgias instigated probably still scare them. However, it would be interesting if he did...


Read the article.  He says it's not a matter of faith and it possible but is still in favor of celebacy "for now".  i.e. he is a thinking man (Jesuit) who prefers to use logic to "NO!".

There would be an unprecedented flood to the priesthood if he allowed it.
 
2013-04-22 03:32:24 PM  
Seems legit.
 
2013-04-22 03:34:06 PM  

theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.


I'm sure that's the only possible explanation.
 
2013-04-22 03:36:48 PM  
Crusades started by Pope Francis: 0

I like this guy
 
2013-04-22 03:36:56 PM  
If they allowed married priests, they could get rid of all the kid touchers.
 
2013-04-22 03:40:47 PM  
If you let priests have kids, you might end up with this lot:

blog.zap2it.com

/two out of three ain't bad
 
2013-04-22 03:42:18 PM  
Allowing priest to marry and letting women become priest would instantly solve the priest shortage and possibly lead to priest surplus  It would also generate enough good will that they can still be anti gay for the next 50 years by which time it will no longer matter because the entire issue will be 99% resolved.

I give it a 5% chance on marriage and a 0.1% chance on women clergy happening any time soon however.
 
2013-04-22 03:42:18 PM  

theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.


Why not split the difference like the Eastern Orthodox and let the already-married become priests?  Plus, remember, the main reason for celibacy back in the day was that priests were willing church property to their descendents and, to a lesser extent, rampant nepotism.
 
2013-04-22 03:44:05 PM  
I'm still posting this:

i.imgur.com

but this slipped through the cracks dur to last week's scanner-rama.
 
2013-04-22 03:45:00 PM  

revrendjim: Maybe he will lighten up.


Yessss!
 
2013-04-22 03:45:35 PM  

Claude the Dog: theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

I'm sure that's the only possible explanation.


It also completely misses the astonishing wealth the Catholic Church has.  If it wanted to provide for 10x as many priests with 10 kids each, it could do it.  It's not a priority.  It's wealth is _actually impossible to calculate_ at present, and it is likely that it has more real assets than any nation on the entire planet, possibly as much as many of the largest nations combined.

So, in other words, it's unlikely it's about health insurance.
 
2013-04-22 03:46:20 PM  
I like Papa Paco.
www.periodistadigital.com
He's way better than the nazi pope, Papa Palpatine.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-22 03:46:37 PM  

Claude the Dog: theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

I'm sure that's the only possible explanation.


I didn't say it was the only reason, but it is certainly a reason. They sure as shiat aren't going to start paying priests a living wage to buy their own houses and cars and put kids through college.
 
2013-04-22 03:49:32 PM  
He does eat fish on fridays.
 
2013-04-22 03:50:29 PM  
The Aristocrats
 
2013-04-22 03:51:22 PM  
A big hat goes to his head, and he forgets about the little people.
 
2013-04-22 03:53:53 PM  

taliesinwi: theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

Why not split the difference like the Eastern Orthodox and let the already-married become priests?  Plus, remember, the main reason for celibacy back in the day was that priests were willing church property to their descendents and, to a lesser extent, rampant nepotism.


That's not much different from what I suggested in the second paragraph of my OP.
 
2013-04-22 03:53:58 PM  
As a devout Protestant, I'm trying really hard to dislike this guy.  He's making it tough, though.
 
2013-04-22 03:58:39 PM  

theknuckler_33: Claude the Dog: theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

I'm sure that's the only possible explanation.

I didn't say it was the only reason, but it is certainly a reason. They sure as shiat aren't going to start paying priests a living wage to buy their own houses and cars and put kids through college.


The Church has about 100x the money of ARAMCO, which pays even more people to do exactly that.  They earn enough in interest alone every year to put ten generations through school.  It's not about the money.  It's about how backwards the Church is, and has been, for a long time.

And priests do, in general, get a living wage, averaging about 30k a year (tax free) with all of their living expenses, clothing, and food generally paid for, with some additional leeway for vehicles and travel expenses.

Taking the tax free nature of the money, and generally have no additional expenses, that's the equivalent of about 70-90k USD in most places (depending on local taxes).
 
2013-04-22 03:58:42 PM  
The Eastern Rite lets married men become priests, but doesn't let priests marry.
Most Orthodox priests are married. If a priest's wife dies there are exceptions made which allow him to remarry.
In neither case can a married man be a bishop. This keeps Church property from falling into family hands.

Meanwhile Jews scratch their heads in confusion. Who ever heard of a celibate rabbi?
 
2013-04-22 03:59:11 PM  

staplermofo: Huh, the pope is a genuinely nice guy who supports rules horribly backwards rules.  Who could have seen that coming?  He's probably against women clergy too.


Yup, that is Jesuits.  They're extremely likable even as they institute rules that would be more at home in the 14th century.  He's all smiles and niceties even as he purges the American nuns for being too involved in social causes and things like that.
 
2013-04-22 03:59:25 PM  
theknuckler_33:
What is more likely to happen, in my mind, is that the church will handle priest shortages by allowing lay people to perform more and more priestly duties... like performing Sunday masses. They can already give out communion and give sermons. They'll save the priests for performing marriages and other 'important' things like first communion, confirmation, etc. This way, priests could conceivably serve more than one parish.

Priests already serve more than one parish. A layperson can  never "perform" Sunday masses, or any other. The authority to consecrate the Eucharist is a specific charism of the priesthood which is only imparted by the bishop at ordination.

In some parishes deacons and lay monastics will celebrated a Mass of the Presanctified Gifts from hosts that have already been consecrated and reserved for that purpose.
 
2013-04-22 04:03:02 PM  

revrendjim: Maybe he will lighten up.


I can't believe it took me so long to get that.
 
2013-04-22 04:03:04 PM  

theknuckler_33: Claude the Dog: theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

I'm sure that's the only possible explanation.

I didn't say it was the only reason, but it is certainly a reason. They sure as shiat aren't going to start paying priests a living wage to buy their own houses and cars and put kids through college.


Yeah, because it's so much cheaper to pay out billions of dollars in sex abuse scandals.  Just out of curiosity, where did you get you Roman Catholic Theology degree?
 
2013-04-22 04:03:10 PM  

thesesquipedalian: theknuckler_33:
What is more likely to happen, in my mind, is that the church will handle priest shortages by allowing lay people to perform more and more priestly duties... like performing Sunday masses. They can already give out communion and give sermons. They'll save the priests for performing marriages and other 'important' things like first communion, confirmation, etc. This way, priests could conceivably serve more than one parish.

Priests already serve more than one parish. A layperson can  never "perform" Sunday masses, or any other. The authority to consecrate the Eucharist is a specific charism of the priesthood which is only imparted by the bishop at ordination.

In some parishes deacons and lay monastics will celebrated a Mass of the Presanctified Gifts from hosts that have already been consecrated and reserved for that purpose.


So a lay person CAN perform Sunday mass.
 
2013-04-22 04:09:07 PM  

FitzShivering: theknuckler_33: Claude the Dog: theknuckler_33: Luro's convinced that he will eventually lead the global church to end mandatory priestly celibacy

I guarantee that this will NEVER happen. The church will never allow priests to marry and they sure as shiat won't let unmarried priests fark... at least openly. The church will NEVER provide for dependents. Priests are essentially slaves... or indentured servants. You get old, they ship you off to some retirement seminary. They are not going to provide medical benefits or individual living quarters for separate priest families. Never.

I'm sure that's the only possible explanation.

I didn't say it was the only reason, but it is certainly a reason. They sure as shiat aren't going to start paying priests a living wage to buy their own houses and cars and put kids through college.

The Church has about 100x the money of ARAMCO, which pays even more people to do exactly that.  They earn enough in interest alone every year to put ten generations through school.  It's not about the money.  It's about how backwards the Church is, and has been, for a long time.


Yea, they certainly have a lot of money. You accumulate that kind of money by consistently taking in more than you pay out. Funny how I don't remember the preachings of Jesus involving 'make sure you turn a profit'.
 
2013-04-22 04:09:23 PM  

taliesinwi: Why not split the difference like the Eastern Orthodox and let the already-married become priests?


They already do that.   http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/why-does-the-catholic-church-a l low-converts-to-become-priests-if-they-are-married-wit

Interestingly, Paul's claimed that any religion requiring celibacy is the doctrine of demons.  He may recommend it, but also says it is better to get married than burn with lust.

If the celibacy requirement was changed to optional, I'm not sure many Catholics would take that route, whether because of peer pressure or because of their idea that since Jesus wasn't married, they should emulate that.
 
2013-04-22 04:10:27 PM  
In his book "On Heaven and Earth," published last year, Bergoglio said: "For the moment I'm in favor of maintaining celibacy, with its pros and cons, because there have been 10 centuries of good experiences rather than failures."nataliaantonova.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-22 04:16:16 PM  

andychrist420: If they allowed married priests, they could get rid of all the kid touchers.


there are married kid touchers too. it only takes making damn sure wherever there are kids there are several adults and open door policies to keep things kosher.
 
2013-04-22 04:19:04 PM  

theknuckler_33: thesesquipedalian: theknuckler_33:
What is more likely to happen, in my mind, is that the church will handle priest shortages by allowing lay people to perform more and more priestly duties... like performing Sunday masses. They can already give out communion and give sermons. They'll save the priests for performing marriages and other 'important' things like first communion, confirmation, etc. This way, priests could conceivably serve more than one parish.

Priests already serve more than one parish. A layperson can  never "perform" Sunday masses, or any other. The authority to consecrate the Eucharist is a specific charism of the priesthood which is only imparted by the bishop at ordination.

In some parishes deacons and lay monastics will celebrated a Mass of the Presanctified Gifts from hosts that have already been consecrated and reserved for that purpose.

So a lay person CAN perform Sunday mass.


No. It's a different liturgy.Currently Deacons can preside over a service of communion, which excludes all of the prayers which would actually result in the consecration of the Eucharist. There are also Breviary offices that can be used in lieu of the communion service if no pre-consecrated hosts are available.
 
2013-04-22 04:29:14 PM  
This is the scandal? This? Not his tacit support for 'anticommunist' death squads while he was running the Argentine Jesuits?
 
2013-04-22 04:36:06 PM  

Anenu: Allowing priest to marry and letting women become priest would  instantly solve the priest shortage and possibly lead to priest surplus  It would also generate enough good will that they can still be anti gay for the next 50 years by which time it will no longer matter because the entire issue will be 99% resolved

drain the Vatican bank. 

ha-ha-guy: Yup, that is Jesuits.  They're extremely likable even as they institute rules that would be more at home in the 14th century.  He's all smiles and niceties even as he purges the American nuns for being too involved in social causes and things like that.


Know how I know you don't know what you're talking about?
 
2013-04-22 04:38:04 PM  

kindms: JEZEBEL!!!


Defenestration? That's a tad harsh.
 
2013-04-22 04:43:21 PM  

thesesquipedalian: The authority to consecrate the Eucharist is a specific charism of the priesthood which is only imparted by the bishop at ordination. ... In some parishes deacons and lay monastics will celebrated a Mass of the Presanctified Gifts from hosts that have already been consecrated and reserved for that purpose...

Currently Deacons can preside over a service of communion, which excludes all of the prayers which would actually result in the consecration of the Eucharist. There are also Breviary offices that can be used in lieu of the communion service if no pre-consecrated hosts are available.


Wha-what?

You Christians and your funny words. But you're just messing with us, aren't you?
 
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