Plant Rights Activist: 18" trees? What is this? A forest for ants?
Oldiron_79: Plant Rights Activist: 18" trees? What is this? A forest for ants?So they can be trampled by dwarfs?
maxheck: Rotting trees give up almost all the carbon they sequestered. A pine tree might sequester carbon for ~70 years, fall over, and give it all back in 10. A sequoia might start slow, but would gather carbon at an increasing rate and hold on to it for 1000+ years.
mikefinch: maxheck: Rotting trees give up almost all the carbon they sequestered. A pine tree might sequester carbon for ~70 years, fall over, and give it all back in 10. A sequoia might start slow, but would gather carbon at an increasing rate and hold on to it for 1000+ years.Or bear with me -- we plant 2000 pine trees, and log them out a dozen times over those thousand years.If you really want a carbon sink you want muskeg. The natural cycle of small wetland areas being perpetuated by beavers and the slow succession filling in of those ponds just packs carbon into the ground. Huge black spruce forests might only grow to heights of 20 feet -- but their environment is highly acidic and the ground is very wet and the trees dont rot away as much as they are consumed by the moss and shiat living there. Everything falls and keeps growing upon itself and the peat can reach depths of 100 feet.100 feet of compacted forest compost holds an awful lot of carbon.Muskeg is a huge carbon sink. Its good stuff. Sphagnum Moss is super boss. And its weird sexual reproduction is super interesting to read about.
Erix: And then, we can drain the swamp, mine out the peat and burn it for fuel! Er.. nevermind.
maxheck: Log them out for what? Toilet and news paper? Then you're just cycling it just as fast as it soaks up carbon. That was kinda my point... Durable structural lumber is a carbon sink.
maxheck: In fact, the best balance might be: plant a bunch of useful, fast growing wood that you can build lasting structures out of, prevent the wood from rotting and get some use out of it at the same time.
stuffy: Why do you need to clone a redwood, when there are saplings all over the place?
maxheck: I'm pretty sure that making charcoal releases things nastier than CO2... In my high-school days I had a forge, and I used to roast wood in a (mostly) closed drum to make the next session's charcoal. I'm no chemist, but I'm pretty sure there was a lot of carbon monoxide invoved.
ladyfortuna: WelldeadLink: ruta: Frankly I'm amazed that they've got permission to plant these in some of the countries mentioned where they have incredibly tight restrictions on non-native species.The article did not mention anything about getting permission.They're going to do good, whether it kills someone or not.I'm all for planting trees, but for cryin' out loud, plant the stuff that's supposed to grow there in the first place... and ask permission first, or someone's just going to come along and rip it out anyway.
dryknife: I think that most of the redwoods in northern California are second growth trees except for isolated areas like Muir Woods.
StokeyBob: Came here for skeletons of kangaroos a hundred feet in the air.
mikefinch: Erix: And then, we can drain the swamp, mine out the peat and burn it for fuel! Er.. nevermind.Hey man -- if you can make draining muskeg and mining the peat economical then go for it...Draining alone would be an enormous peat feat. (HA!) The water table in those places is usually about a foot below ground and the ground is porous and spongy...Its not a fun place. The bugs. The mosquitos. Standing water as far as the eye can see and you are the only human for those bastards to chase. And the horse flies that eat chunks of your flesh.Expensive and gross. Its like the place the earth designated as 'no development allowed' and it reinforced that with ground made of pudding and trees that are so thick you cant walk through them without crawling and squirming about...Black fly little black flyAlways the black fly no matter where i goI'll die with the black fly pickin my bonesIn north Ontario-io in north Ontario...
theorellior: stuffy: Why do you need to clone a redwood, when there are saplings all over the place?They want to propagate the genetic superiority of exceptionally long-lived specimens.
mutterfark: Shouldn't they use baobabs?
Erix: So those cloned saplings will do great if they're planted in a place with the exact same conditions that their parent was. Since that doesn't really exist, they should have just gone for a random assortment of saplings, in the hopes that some will be well suited for the new location.
Erix: Since that doesn't really exist, they should have just gone for a random assortment of saplings, in the hopes that some will be well suited for the new location.
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