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(Fox News)   And here we go: a CUNY professor is complaining about "too much force" being used against the Tsarnaev brothers   (nation.foxnews.com) divider line 25
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2013-04-22 01:27:02 PM
3 votes:
That's not a "Y".
2013-04-22 02:58:40 PM
2 votes:

Ned Stark: They shut down an entire city and called out the farking national guard for a teenager with a pistol and some tubesocks full of gunpowder. Yes force was excessive. Everyone involved should be embarrassed.


The stupidest post? This is it.
2013-04-22 01:30:57 PM
2 votes:
From original article: I hope we will all be witnesses at the Internal Affairs investigation about undue force.

I'm all for training people to avoid excessive force.  But we can't fault someone for extra killing someone who they had very good reason to think might try to kill them.  Develop some kinda training to try to avoid it, but if a guy runs to the store to get more bullets to fire at a corpse that tried to kill him 5 minutes ago I say give him $20 and another 10 minutes.
2013-04-22 01:29:31 PM
2 votes:
Really?

I'm usually one to jump all over abuse of force...but in this case, they were wanted for a bombing that killed 3 innocent individuals and wounded or maimed over 100 more.  They killed a cop, they carjacked another individual...and led police on a chase.  They were clearly armed and dangerous.  Terrorism or not, the use of force was in this case was completely justified.
2013-04-23 12:57:36 AM
1 votes:

Elbarfo: I find it humorous that they shut down an entire city only to come up empty handed.  House to house searches, martial law, the whole shebang.  Then when they allow the people to safely (lol) leave their homes, an observant citizen finds the guy.  Had they not had the lockdown they would have had the guy hours sooner.

But no, it was not excessive at all.

/how do you shoot at a boat that many damn times and still miss SO much.  It boggles the imagination.


I find it surprising that Boston is only 20 square blocks. Here I was thinking Boston was a much larger city. And also I find it remarkable that going door to door and asking if they can search the property is now the definition of "martial law,' which I always understood to mean military patrols on the street and the Army taking over the role of the civil authorities.

Fark is just amazing for teaching you things you never knew before.
2013-04-22 08:21:41 PM
1 votes:

duenor: I have no sympathy for terrorists. However, I do have reservations about how we ought to handle such terrorists when we have them surrounded.

The older brother - fark him. He got what he deserved. When you start shooting at cops, you'll get what's coming to you.

On the other hand, I don't know if the younger brother was handled properly. What I definitely do not want to see is a population who is accustomed to "he's a terrorist, shoot on sight". It is far too easy for that to lead to a police state gestapo squad. I believe more efforts should have been made to take him alive as well as giving him plenty of time to surrender. But it seems like there was a lot of pressure on PD to get it over with quickly.

Then again, I don't have all the information. I am also not an expert. I can simply voice a concern. Regardless, the officers who chose to engage those two are brave men and women and I appreciate their efforts.


You have no idea how they captured him, do you? I mean, not at all?

They waited for him to fall unconscious once they located him. It took a long time. This is after he fired over twenty rounds at approaching police officers, who themselves were given direct orders NOT to return fire, but to retreat.

Seriously, where the hell are you coming from? lol
2013-04-22 04:02:47 PM
1 votes:

SandmanEsq: There is a reason she is a CUNY professor.


jst3p: SandmanEsq: There is a reason she is a CUNY professor.

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No! Bad! Bad Misogynous!  You may not know this but you can disagree with someone without being hateful.
2013-04-22 03:34:39 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: Too much force and you'll end up with Trek Wars

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Seems cool at first but no one knows how it will turn out.


Dammit, I've always wanted to see something like that. Hey, are there at least any published novels mixing Star Wars and Star Trek? Or will I have to find fanfic?

/always wondered how it would have gone if Star Trek would have budded off another series starring Nimoy as the Evil Bearded Spock against the Empire and it's agonizers....
//big fan of series crossbreeds.
2013-04-22 03:32:35 PM
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: Woah! I thought we agreed we'd never mention that little episode again? You're the dick who brought the gallon of Manacheviz.


Sorry!

Had to drink some of that vile vile syrup over Passover because I was in the middle of nowhere and couldn't find other kosher wine.

Man is that ever disgusting
2013-04-22 03:29:55 PM
1 votes:
Tatsuma: City University of New York Professor Ruth

I immediately went 'Please not a Jew please not a Jew

O'Brien

Score!


on the other hand, her name is Ruth, so she probably is Jewish and just married an Irishman to piss off her mother.
just sayin'
2013-04-22 03:29:22 PM
1 votes:
If this results in an acquittal, I will CUNY PUNYT someone into next week.
2013-04-22 03:14:40 PM
1 votes:
Will be the general feeling of most college profs. Have to remember how incredibly left wing crazy most are.
2013-04-22 03:07:44 PM
1 votes:
Just another douchy college professor heard from who keeps herself insulated among like-minded people so has little clue just how full potato her arguments really are.

Nothing to see here, folks.
2013-04-22 03:04:11 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Plenty of these idiots posting on Fark already


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2013-04-22 03:02:20 PM
1 votes:
My Liberal opinion on the use of force:

Shooting an unarmed guy handcuffed and lying on the floor of a subway = Excessive.

Shooting an armed guy who just blew up a bunch of innocent people = Justified.

I was quite proud of our local and federal law enforcement dudes this time around. KUDOs to them for a job well done.
2013-04-22 03:01:53 PM
1 votes:
I have no sympathy for terrorists. However, I do have reservations about how we ought to handle such terrorists when we have them surrounded.

The older brother - fark him. He got what he deserved. When you start shooting at cops, you'll get what's coming to you.

On the other hand, I don't know if the younger brother was handled properly. What I definitely do not want to see is a population who is accustomed to "he's a terrorist, shoot on sight". It is far too easy for that to lead to a police state gestapo squad. I believe more efforts should have been made to take him alive as well as giving him plenty of time to surrender. But it seems like there was a lot of pressure on PD to get it over with quickly.

Then again, I don't have all the information. I am also not an expert. I can simply voice a concern. Regardless, the officers who chose to engage those two are brave men and women and I appreciate their efforts.
2013-04-22 03:01:00 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

"The use of excessive force in the apprehension of the Tsarnaev brothers has been approved"
2013-04-22 02:56:59 PM
1 votes:
Funny thing about Force.
You leave it lying around and it gets used.
You fund it, feed it and turn it loose, you know not what will happen. Usually the worst of all possibilities.

Note to self, when target is a pinhead, do not pick up the sledgehammer
2013-04-22 02:54:55 PM
1 votes:
shiat, I'm surprised they didn't use MORE force.  Especially on a cop killer.
2013-04-22 02:53:28 PM
1 votes:
He's right.  Too much force was used against innocent civilians in a blatant disregard for constitutionally protected rights.

Just another in a long list of war crimes by Obama
2013-04-22 02:16:58 PM
1 votes:

IdBeCrazyIf: I think we can just go ahead and chock these two up as insane


They were not insane but evil. They knew fully well what they were doing.
2013-04-22 02:10:52 PM
1 votes:
Well, if it were the LAPD we'd probably have had 4 more dead civilians, and 30 dead Toyota pickups.  And the boat would have been burned to the ground with white phosphorous.

So, you know, I'm going to say that the BPD did alright.

And the article is less about excessive force (one line) and about the impact of terrorism in the US on the media and the general population.
2013-04-22 01:52:14 PM
1 votes:
You mis-spelled "coont."
2013-04-22 01:51:30 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: Of course all Liberals think like this. Libs will side with the terrorists EVERY time.


9/10 simple, effective.
2013-04-22 01:40:14 PM
1 votes:

zedster: Surprise the entirety of her post says something different
http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/


Not really. FTFA: This said, the mortuary pictures of the older brother of the two are extremely disturbing, raising questions as to whether the Boston Police Department captured him with too much force.

She's saying we used too much force to "capture" (i.e. kill) the guy that already murdered a cop, and was shooting and lobbing bombs at pursuing officers.

And his brother was the one who ultimately used the force, by running him over.

/All-in-all, it's a pretty worthless article
 
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