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(Fox News)   And here we go: a CUNY professor is complaining about "too much force" being used against the Tsarnaev brothers   (nation.foxnews.com) divider line 196
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2013-04-22 03:00:54 PM
My wife's liberal brother has been on this rant all weekend.  "Boston PD used too much force!"  "Shutting down the city and forcing everyone to remain indoors was over the line."  "This is a conspiracy by the Teaparty and or the right wing!"  Though, it is a welcomed change from his anti-Second Amendment and Obama can do no wrong facebook posts.
 
2013-04-22 03:01:00 PM
i.imgur.com

"The use of excessive force in the apprehension of the Tsarnaev brothers has been approved"
 
2013-04-22 03:01:01 PM
Subby, you left the "T" out of the C word, Buddy!
 
2013-04-22 03:01:06 PM

zedster: Surprise the entirety of her post says something different
http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/


Not really. I mean, the 'too much force' thing wasn't really the point of her piece, but it was a pretty weird thing to say especially when it appears to come simply from viewing the couple of pictures of the guy in the city morgue. there has been no report on the cause of death, there have been multiple reports of the younger brother running over him and at least one farker here commented that the big gash in older brother's side might have been done medically, in an effort to drain fluid from the chest cavity during efforts to save him. Pretty silly to see some pictures without context and think it 'raises questions' about whether the police used too much force.
 
2013-04-22 03:01:13 PM
Read the original blogpost - that woman is all over the place.  She starts with three poorly written paragraphs about bad things happening on and near her birthday, before talking about what I suppose she thinks she is talking about, which is the brothers and the excessive use of force that she somehow assumes happened after seeing the mortuary pictures of the older brother.

Then she's talking randomly about the fact that they're immigrants?

Huh?

She'd get a 7 on her SAT essay score.
 
2013-04-22 03:01:53 PM
I have no sympathy for terrorists. However, I do have reservations about how we ought to handle such terrorists when we have them surrounded.

The older brother - fark him. He got what he deserved. When you start shooting at cops, you'll get what's coming to you.

On the other hand, I don't know if the younger brother was handled properly. What I definitely do not want to see is a population who is accustomed to "he's a terrorist, shoot on sight". It is far too easy for that to lead to a police state gestapo squad. I believe more efforts should have been made to take him alive as well as giving him plenty of time to surrender. But it seems like there was a lot of pressure on PD to get it over with quickly.

Then again, I don't have all the information. I am also not an expert. I can simply voice a concern. Regardless, the officers who chose to engage those two are brave men and women and I appreciate their efforts.
 
2013-04-22 03:02:20 PM
My Liberal opinion on the use of force:

Shooting an unarmed guy handcuffed and lying on the floor of a subway = Excessive.

Shooting an armed guy who just blew up a bunch of innocent people = Justified.

I was quite proud of our local and federal law enforcement dudes this time around. KUDOs to them for a job well done.
 
2013-04-22 03:02:36 PM

Tatsuma: skullkrusher: prolly her married name

Aw crap. You might be right.

skullkrusher: /are you serious?

Of course I am, do we really need another Jewish-American professor at a liberal University saying something really farking stupid?

I say 'Oy, fark no'


my heart didn't sink when her mick name wasn't revealed and we've done plenty of stupid shiat over the years
 
2013-04-22 03:04:11 PM

Tatsuma: Plenty of these idiots posting on Fark already


media.idownloadblog.com
 
2013-04-22 03:04:22 PM

Silly Jesus: 1.  The police didn't kill him, his brother did.
2.  Many of the injuries were self inflicted by a bomb that he made and detonated.
3.  The injury to his side may have been a medical procedure.

Even if those things weren't the case, you would still be an idiot.


Yep. According to the reports I read he was about to throw a bomb at police when it exploded in his hand. Pretty sure I don't want to see the photos of the results -- I've seen enough photos of people mangled by his bombs already.
 
2013-04-22 03:05:02 PM

Silly Jesus: 1.  The police didn't kill him, his brother did.
2.  Many of the injuries were self inflicted by a bomb that he made and detonated.
3.  The injury to his side may have been a medical procedure.

Even if those things weren't the case, you would still be an idiot.


Not idiocy, just a question of whether the list is true. Claiming too much force for capture is ridiculous, but what they did after he was captured is different. A little street justice?

/I doubt it
//just sayin'
 
2013-04-22 03:06:25 PM

skullkrusher: my heart didn't sink when her mick name wasn't revealed and we've done plenty of stupid shiat over the years


There's not a long history of Irishmen saying stupid bleeding heart things in Academia in America.


What if it was a story about a drunken, pantless man stumbling in front of Michelle Obama and asking her to pull his finger, and found out his name was O'Brien, I bet you'd feel differently wouldn't ya?
 
2013-04-22 03:07:44 PM
Just another douchy college professor heard from who keeps herself insulated among like-minded people so has little clue just how full potato her arguments really are.

Nothing to see here, folks.
 
2013-04-22 03:08:00 PM
This is the first time the ownership of those Bearcat things has been justifiable by the PD for a long while.  They actually make a case for being useful when hunting the IED brothers.
 
2013-04-22 03:08:16 PM

slayer199: Really?

I'm usually one to jump all over abuse of force...but in this case, they were wanted for a bombing that killed 3 innocent individuals and wounded or maimed over 100 more.  They killed a cop, they carjacked another individual...and led police on a chase.  They were clearly armed and dangerous.  Terrorism or not, the use of force was in this case was completely justified.


Personally, I'm much less concerned about the amount of forced used to capture them than I am about the decision to not read the one they captured alive his Miranda rights.
 
2013-04-22 03:08:30 PM

GalFriday: Subby, you left the "T" out of the C word, Buddy!


It was a typo. T is right next to Y.
 
2013-04-22 03:09:02 PM

Tatsuma: Ned Stark: They shut down an entire city and called out the farking national guard for a teenager with a pistol and some tubesocks full of gunpowder. Yes force was excessive. Everyone involved should be embarrassed.

The stupidest post? This is it.


Or trolliest. Either way, weak.
 
2013-04-22 03:09:37 PM

Tatsuma: skullkrusher: my heart didn't sink when her mick name wasn't revealed and we've done plenty of stupid shiat over the years

There's not a long history of Irishmen saying stupid bleeding heart things in Academia in America.


What if it was a story about a drunken, pantless man stumbling in front of Michelle Obama and asking her to pull his finger, and found out his name was O'Brien, I bet you'd feel differently wouldn't ya?


in that case it would be my uncle and I'm probably biased
 
2013-04-22 03:09:40 PM
It doesn't matter where you go, what level you hit, there will always be idiots.  There are idiots with high school diplomas, idiots with college diplomas, idiots with masters degrees and idiots with PhDs.  Hell, we've had idiots as presidents.  So it should be no shock that a professor might be a complete farking idiot.
 
2013-04-22 03:09:50 PM

ha-ha-guy: This is the first time the ownership of those Bearcat things has been justifiable by the PD for a long while.  They actually make a case for being useful when hunting the IED brothers.


Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "Bearcat thing"?
 
2013-04-22 03:10:24 PM
Too much force and you'll end up with Trek Wars

rack.0.mshcdn.com

Seems cool at first but no one knows how it will turn out.
 
2013-04-22 03:10:31 PM

zulius: I wonder what his feeling was for the other recent domestic terrorists...


Know how I know you DRTFA?

Also: Huuuurrrrrr we go again; it's Fox, so I won't believe a single word. Duuurrrr.
 
2013-04-22 03:10:46 PM

vernonFL: Of course all Liberals think like this. Libs will side with the terrorists EVERY time.


The funny thing is that'd be overdone as good parody if I didn't think (because of other posts you've made in other threads) that you were serious.  It's like a double Poe or something.  Xzibit would be proud.
 
2013-04-22 03:10:50 PM
First, MSNBC saying the fact that they were Muslims "doesn't matter"

Now there's this...
 
2013-04-22 03:10:50 PM

Zasteva: vernonFL: Of course all Liberals think like this. Libs will side with the terrorists EVERY time.

Well, at least the ones you build of straw will. I'm one of those Libby-Libs and I think they used appropriate force.

But have fun playing with your straw libs!


Your snark meter needs calibrating.
 
2013-04-22 03:11:51 PM
has anyone made a "coont" joke yet?
 
2013-04-22 03:12:07 PM

skullkrusher: in that case it would be my uncle and I'm probably biased


Fair enough

Now I wish that it did happen, cause I want that video. And see the follow-up tasering
 
2013-04-22 03:13:21 PM

vernonFL: Of course all Liberals think like this. Libs will side with the terrorists EVERY time.


Just like your fellow Republiturds who don't want us going after terrorists with drones.
 
2013-04-22 03:13:28 PM
sharetv.org
Does not agree.
 
2013-04-22 03:14:08 PM

randomjsa: First, MSNBC saying the fact that they were Muslims "doesn't matter"


In regards to what?
 
2013-04-22 03:14:35 PM
Being injured in a gunfight which the criminal is attempting to kill law enforcement isn't excessive force.  Being run over by your accomplice as he attempts to escape causing injury has nothing to do with any force being caused by law enforcement attempting to capture a dangerous criminal.  I don't know what this professor thinks happened, but this certainly wasn't an example of excessive force we often see by police on civilians.  These were extremely dangerous criminals who were killing civilians and law enforcement and that requires the use of deadly force to attempt to capture them when they are actively resisting with deadly force.
 
2013-04-22 03:14:40 PM
Will be the general feeling of most college profs. Have to remember how incredibly left wing crazy most are.
 
2013-04-22 03:14:52 PM
Yea, I'll echo most of the sentiment in this thread. There should, of course, always be an investigation when so much force is used, but there's little chance the cops really used "excessive" amounts of force. The brothers killed a cop, hijacked a car, then fired tons of rounds and used a number of explosives while being chased. You don't ask nicely when someone is spewing bullets and bombs all over the place - not only are the cops in danger, but anyone else that might be nearby (bullets and fragments can travel a very long distance). Not to mention that these two guys clearly had the ordinance and know-how to do a repeat of the bombings. Public safety trumps all other concerns in these situations.
 
2013-04-22 03:15:08 PM

Tatsuma: skullkrusher: in that case it would be my uncle and I'm probably biased

Fair enough

Now I wish that it did happen, cause I want that video. And see the follow-up tasering


ever seen Drunk Uncle on SNL? It is no coincidence that the guy who plays the character's last name is Moynihan.
 
2013-04-22 03:15:40 PM

Silverstaff: [i.imgur.com image 634x356]

"The use of excessive force in the apprehension of the Tsarnaev brothers has been approved"


Excellent.
 
2013-04-22 03:17:16 PM

Tatsuma: City University of New York Professor Ruth

I immediately went 'Please not a Jew please not a Jew

O'Brien

Score!

While terrorism is about causing fear - again an emotion - we do have to account for our conduct in these extreme times when adrenaline is running high.

At my home, to at least offset this, we turn off all media.  I couldn't believe my sons' explanation when they got home about one brother running over the other one.  So I found a place to read about this, and I recoiled after seeing the picture.  Still, we all know that terrorism, like crime, "leads if it bleeds" with the established media.  The established media fixates on the domestic-violence or crime-of-passion aspect of terrorism, and it, too, inculcates more fear in all of us.


What an idiot. 'I didn't follow the news or everything that happened, but clearly the police used too much force!'


That last bit sums it up pretty nicely.
 
2013-04-22 03:17:19 PM
College is so gay.
 
2013-04-22 03:17:52 PM
ehm... they went after the guys with the intent to capture if possible, the number of boots on the ground is a semantic

it's not like they showed up with t-1000's and drones obliterating everything in sight, get a grip, this isn't the LAPD
 
2013-04-22 03:18:24 PM
The "too much force" argument from someone whose life was not on the line trying to capture the guy.

Swordsman on the street? You want the Musketeer Squad to come and parry him into submission? Hell, no, they're Musketeers because they have guns -- they'll shoot the swordsman so they can safely go home to the wife and kids at the end of the shift. If I'm chasing a gunman on foot, I want to do it in an armored giant robot. With precision rockets and frickin' lasers on my head.
 
2013-04-22 03:18:48 PM

neversubmit: Too much force and you'll end up with Trek Wars

[rack.0.mshcdn.com image 600x400]

Seems cool at first but no one knows how it will turn out.


No, you were thinking the Star Wars Trek, the vast migration of Star Wars fans.
 
2013-04-22 03:18:54 PM

Katolu: Zasteva: vernonFL: Of course all Liberals think like this. Libs will side with the terrorists EVERY time.

Well, at least the ones you build of straw will. I'm one of those Libby-Libs and I think they used appropriate force.

But have fun playing with your straw libs!

Your snark meter needs calibrating.


That's a relief :-)
 
2013-04-22 03:19:28 PM

FlashHarry: so-called "liberal" here. i think the force used was appropriate. the guy was carrying shiatloads of weapons and IEDs.

that being said, he is an AMERICAN CITIZEN and should be tried in a civilian court and afforded all the rights due to him.


Yeah.  It's one thing to use heavy force when you're dealing with someone who's well armed and already killed people.  It's a completely different kettle of fish to deny due process to someone who's lying in a hospital bed under guard.

And it's not even just about "playing nice" or "being fair."  Question Tsarnaev without giving him his Miranda warning first and it's pretty likely a good lawyer will make most of what he says impermissible.  IANAL but I have a feeling this is going to do more harm than good to the case, all concerns about fairness and due process aside.
 
2013-04-22 03:19:57 PM
This said, the mortuary pictures of the older brother of the two are extremely disturbing, raising questions as to whether the Boston Police Department captured him with too much force.

I'm sure getting run over by his own brother didn't help him look "pristine" in his death photo.
 
2013-04-22 03:20:22 PM

DeathCipris: ha-ha-guy: This is the first time the ownership of those Bearcat things has been justifiable by the PD for a long while.  They actually make a case for being useful when hunting the IED brothers.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "Bearcat thing"?


Go to google and search "police bearcat"
 
2013-04-22 03:20:58 PM

zedster: Surprise the entirety of her post says something different
http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/


I'm surprised that Fox even provided that link.

www.auburnmedia.com

"Facts? I ain't got to show you no stinking facts!"
 
2013-04-22 03:20:59 PM

WelldeadLink: The "too much force" argument from someone whose life was not on the line trying to capture the guy.

Swordsman on the street? You want the Musketeer Squad to come and parry him into submission? Hell, no, they're Musketeers because they have guns -- they'll shoot the swordsman so they can safely go home to the wife and kids at the end of the shift. If I'm chasing a gunman on foot, I want to do it in an armored giant robot. With precision rockets and frickin' lasers on my head.


An the rest of society is damn well entitled to tell you to eat shiat and hand you a vest and a handgun.
 
2013-04-22 03:22:40 PM

Tatsuma: Ned Stark: They shut down an entire city and called out the farking national guard for a teenager with a pistol and some tubesocks full of gunpowder. Yes force was excessive. Everyone involved should be embarrassed.

The stupidest post? This is it.


Hey, point of order, folks:  Does it count as an insult when it's Tatsuma saying it?
 
2013-04-22 03:24:30 PM

sweatybronson: Read the original blogpost - that woman is all over the place.  She starts with three poorly written paragraphs about bad things happening on and near her birthday, before talking about what I suppose she thinks she is talking about, which is the brothers and the excessive use of force that she somehow assumes happened after seeing the mortuary pictures of the older brother.

Then she's talking randomly about the fact that they're immigrants?

Huh?

She'd get a 7 on her SAT essay score.


Rambling stream of consciousness is rambling.  That is the worst piece of writing I have ever seen by a college professor.  I gathering it is not too hard to get a poly sci position at CUNY.
 
2013-04-22 03:24:59 PM

neversubmit: Too much force and you'll end up with Trek Wars

[rack.0.mshcdn.com image 600x400]

Seems cool at first but no one knows how it will turn out.



The Enterprise will destroy the star destroyer with a single photon torpedo, of course.
 
2013-04-22 03:25:45 PM
Or maybe we should stop taking the opinions of outliers and apply them to entire groups we don't like.
 
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