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2013-04-22 02:40:58 PM  

FlashHarry: i don't know. could the new york post finger the wrong bombers and plaster their pics all across the front page?

be forced to smell their own fingers for the rest of eternity?
 
2013-04-22 02:44:04 PM  
Did she server her time for the crime she was convicted of?

Then why should I care what she does for employment after release?

If Tsarnaev beats the death penalty or isn't sentenced to life without parole (seems unlikely, but it could happen, I guess), I will also not care what he does for employment upon release.

That's the way our justice system works. I see no reason to get outraged about that. ...And has been pointed out, is this journalist also upset about G Gordon Liddy's and Oliver North's current employment status, as well?
 
2013-04-22 02:44:56 PM  

thurstonxhowell: she teaches about the problems facing newly released prisoners and their families.

That monster. I can't imagine how she could possibly have the nerve to think that she is qualified to teach on that subject.


I think the outrage is that she IS free and about after being an accomplice to murder and terrorist activities.
 
2013-04-22 02:47:35 PM  
 
2013-04-22 02:53:18 PM  
Did she kill anyone?
 
2013-04-22 02:55:19 PM  

cheyanne9: [therealrevo.com image 480x600]
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/381893/

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"Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[31] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again," as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[29] Ayers protested the interviewer's characterizations in a [32] In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the [33] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[33][34] "

Comments are never, ever distorted or taken out of context, are they?
 
2013-04-22 02:55:49 PM  

cheyanne9: [therealrevo.com image 480x600]
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/381893/

[i2.photobucket.com image 238x297]


Who, exactly, did Ayers blow up?
 
2013-04-22 02:55:52 PM  
www.chicagomag.com
Or he could ghost write presidential autobiographies?
 
2013-04-22 02:58:44 PM  

Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.


careful, you're lying again. when you lie, it undermines your position.

i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-22 03:02:08 PM  

Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.


btw, there are far more rightwing terrorists than leftwing terrorists. but there are still leftwing terrorists.
 
2013-04-22 03:04:54 PM  

FlashHarry: Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

btw, there are far more rightwing terrorists than leftwing terrorists. but there are still leftwing terrorists.


Number of people killed by leftwing terrorists:
 
2013-04-22 03:07:04 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: FlashHarry: Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

btw, there are far more rightwing terrorists than leftwing terrorists. but there are still leftwing terrorists.

Number of people killed by leftwing terrorists:


exactly.
 
2013-04-22 03:16:28 PM  

StrikitRich: [www.chicagomag.com image 600x375]
Or he could ghost write presidential autobiographies?


You mean be the real Man Behind the Curtains, right? I mean you know he's pulling Obama's strings and is really the force behind us becoming a Socialist State overnight, right? Anyone who doesn't is just blind and naive. Plus, you know how Obama's people can't possibly perform the job of the President. You need a white guy. Plain and simple. Obama's people can only do 3/5ths of what a White President would be able to do. It's right there in the Constitution. Also, the shadow government has secretly signed our surrender to Al Qaeda, so all they need is an excuse. Like a bombing done by White people who are Muslims. Operation Flagstaff will commence soon. I think you should go to your local Fox News station and use the code word. They will keep you out of the FEMA camps and lead you to the resistance fighters, who I think are called the Badgers or Foxes, or some other tough woodland predator, I forget which one.

FREEDOM, BROTHER!
 
2013-04-22 03:33:58 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: FlashHarry: Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

btw, there are far more rightwing terrorists than leftwing terrorists. but there are still leftwing terrorists.

Number of people killed by leftwing terrorists:


since when?
 
2013-04-22 03:40:07 PM  
Left Wing Terrorists blow up property.
Right Wing Terrorists blow up people.

Should they be grouped together?  The media sure seems to think so...
 
2013-04-22 03:56:42 PM  
If one has doubt about Mr. Ayers and his guilt or innocence I would offer the case of "The People verses Simpson" 1994

Many saw Mr. Simpson set free. How many were stunned by that decision?
 
2013-04-22 04:05:50 PM  

cheyanne9: If one has doubt about Mr. Ayers and his guilt or innocence I would offer the case of "The People verses Simpson" 1994

Many saw Mr. Simpson set free. How many were stunned by that decision?


Purple monkey dishwasher?
 
2013-04-22 04:07:47 PM  

Fart_Machine: cheyanne9: If one has doubt about Mr. Ayers and his guilt or innocence I would offer the case of "The People verses Simpson" 1994

Many saw Mr. Simpson set free. How many were stunned by that decision?

Purple monkey dishwasher?


get back on the porch
 
2013-04-22 04:09:29 PM  
The professor / douche did her time, so getting a job is not a big deal.  I do question if she would have the same gig had she been in John Birch society or whatever the ultra conservative group was then.
 
2013-04-22 04:11:24 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: The professor / douche did her time, so getting a job is not a big deal.  I do question if she would have the same gig had she been in John Birch society or whatever the ultra conservative group was then.


That's still pretty much the ultraconservative group. Except they like to call themselves libertarians.
 
2013-04-22 04:14:04 PM  

X-boxershorts: Munchausen's Proxy: The professor / douche did her time, so getting a job is not a big deal.  I do question if she would have the same gig had she been in John Birch society or whatever the ultra conservative group was then.

That's still pretty much the ultraconservative group. Except they like to call themselves libertarians.


Sorry, I did not keep up.  Do you think a "Birchian" (is that what they were called?) would have been hired as a professor?
 
2013-04-22 04:16:49 PM  
The post still trying to deflect attention from their xenophobic profiling and baseless accusations of guilt last thursday?

fark them.
 
2013-04-22 04:24:59 PM  

socodog: I can always tell when one of these pieces hits close to the mark by the amount of BAAAAAWWWWWW.


If there was a point to make there, although I doubt there actually was, the author stepped all over his own dick in his attempt to make it.

A shred of intellectual honesty would have required at least an off-hand mention that she spent 2 decades in prison and had paid for her crimes.
 
2013-04-22 04:29:36 PM  

JesusJuice: No, and the coont in tfa should have spent her natural life on a cage. Same goes for that shiatstain Ayers.


Give it a rest and spare us the faux outrage. You didn't have any idea who Bill Ayers was before January 20, 2009.
 
2013-04-22 04:48:17 PM  

gilgigamesh: JesusJuice: No, and the coont in tfa should have spent her natural life on a cage. Same goes for that shiatstain Ayers.

Give it a rest and spare us the faux outrage. You didn't have any idea who Bill Ayers was before January 20, 2009.


You like to hire prostitutes to choke you while you burn your genitals with a hot iron.

See?  I can make up shiat about you, too.
 
2013-04-22 04:48:48 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: cheyanne9: [therealrevo.com image 480x600]
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/381893/

[i2.photobucket.com image 238x297]

Who, exactly, did Ayers blow up?


cheyanne9s mom
 
2013-04-22 05:09:34 PM  

Kibbler: If a rightwing flunkie gets caught in the Watergate burglary and goes to jail, can he then get a job as a radio wingnut and call for "Headshots, headshots, no chest shots" at federal agents?


Republicans love to call for political assassinations until someone gets shot in the head. And then they pretend that they never said anything of the sort.
 
2013-04-22 05:16:29 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Someone spends 19 years in prison, gets paroled and then gets a decent job. Boo farking Hoo. Maybe we should just kill all prisoners and 'let Gawd sort them out'.


That's no way to overcrowd our private prisons!
 
2013-04-22 05:16:45 PM  

erveek: Republicans love to call for political assassinations until someone gets shot in the head. And then they pretend that they never said anything of the sort.


Kind of like how Democrats love to rage and rant about the Federal Government having too much power and allowed to much in terms of ruining people's private lives, until they get in power and just forget about those complaints?
 
2013-04-22 05:31:27 PM  

dehehn: winterbraid: Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

Fark lies?  My whole world has just collapsed.

... so vote libertarian

/HDD

Because People in power are Stupid: Someone spends 19 years in prison, gets paroled and then gets a decent job. Boo farking Hoo.

Sums it up nicely.

Can someone really imagine this Boston bomber getting said chance in 20 years though?


Maybe. Twenty years is a long time. I'd bet you 1000 to 1 that nobody thought Boudin would be teaching at Columbia 20 years ago, and everyone you asked would have been just as outraged, calling for her to be flayed alive on the front lawn of the White House, etc. as they are now.
 
2013-04-22 05:41:17 PM  
If he is ever released from prison, sure. However, I am guessing that life without the possibility of parole will severely limit his future career options.
 
2013-04-22 05:47:20 PM  

Tatsuma: erveek: Republicans love to call for political assassinations until someone gets shot in the head. And then they pretend that they never said anything of the sort.

Kind of like how Democrats love to rage and rant about the Federal Government having too much power and allowed to much in terms of ruining people's private lives, until they get in power and just forget about those complaints?


Kind of like how Republicans love to call anyone who questions the president terrorist sympathizers until the president is not one of their own, then they start calling the president a terrorist sympathizer.
 
2013-04-22 05:48:05 PM  
Its possible. I was imprisoned for robbing a bank and conducting quasi terror operations with the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA).  Those were the days!    My sentence was commuted by Jimmy Carter. Bill Clinton granted me a pardon.  I don't teach at a college, but I've had offers.

Patty

ephemerist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-22 05:50:04 PM  

erveek: Kind of like how Republicans love to call anyone who questions the president terrorist sympathizers until the president is not one of their own, then they start calling the president a terrorist sympathizer.


Kind of like mexicans drive like THIS and whitey drives like THAT?
 
2013-04-22 05:55:01 PM  
Well yeah, anything can happen.  Not bloody likely, though.

And if he somehow didn't get the death penalty or die in his cell, was released, and got a prestigious job, how would that be bad?  Isn't rehabilitation the entire point of our judicial system?
 
2013-04-22 05:55:28 PM  

SamWaters: Its possible. I was imprisoned for robbing a bank and conducting quasi terror operations with the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA).  Those were the days!    My sentence was commuted by Jimmy Carter. Bill Clinton granted me a pardon.  I don't teach at a college, but I've had offers.

Patty

[ephemerist.files.wordpress.com image 350x452]


Wait.

I thought Patty Hearst died after being shot with a Thompson gun.
 
2013-04-22 06:13:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Anyone who's convicted in relation to a death should be banned from working for life?


I think the position is that they probably shouldn't be offered prestigious jobs at Ivy League universities.  Certainly you can see the distinction between that position and the straw man that you've offered?

keylock71: That's the way our justice system works. I see no reason to get outraged about that. ...And has been pointed out, is this journalist also upset about G Gordon Liddy's and Oliver North's current employment status, as well?


No, it's the way our justice system use to work.  What this illustrates is not that there's a left/right bias for terrorists, but rather just how much our criminal justice system has changed over the last half a century.  There was a time when we believed, correctly, that even the worst criminals could be reformed and become useful members of society.  Sadly, there is no chance that the accused Boston bomber will get the same treatment.  It's possible he won't even get his constitutionally guaranteed due process rights.  If he does get that, he will get at best life in prison without parole, and at worst the death penalty.  But he is no more radical, no more beyond reform, than Kathy Boudin was.

Sadly over the last 50 years our criminal justice system has evolved to minimize the risk of recidivism, rather than to maximize the chance of reform.  This is largely because politicians get voted out of office when someone is released early and then commits another crime, but no one gets rewarded when someone is released early and they go on to be productive members of society.  One makes the news (and the political ads) and one does not.  Think Michael Dukakis and the prison furloughs (if you're too young to remember, just google it).  No one ever won an election in this country on a platform that said we're too tough on crime.

So no, this is not the "way our justice system works."
 
2013-04-22 06:16:41 PM  

Tatsuma: erveek: Republicans love to call for political assassinations until someone gets shot in the head. And then they pretend that they never said anything of the sort.

Kind of like how Democrats love to rage and rant about the Federal Government having too much power and allowed to much in terms of ruining people's private lives, until they get in power and just forget about those complaints?


wat
 
2013-04-22 06:21:03 PM  

Talondel: Sadly over the last 50 years our criminal justice system has evolved to minimize the risk of recidivism, rather than to maximize the chance of reform.  This is largely because politicians get voted out of office when someone is released early and then commits another crime, but no one gets rewarded when someone is released early and they go on to be productive members of society.  One makes the news (and the political ads) and one does not.  Think Michael Dukakis and the prison furloughs (if you're too young to remember, just google it).  No one ever won an election in this country on a platform that said we're too tough on crime.


This has nothing to do with terrorism, but you might find this an interesting read:

The Drug Laws That Changed How We Punish
 
2013-04-22 06:30:17 PM  
Silly Jesus (farkied: Jesus must indeed seem silly to this guy): But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

i42.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 06:34:15 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Tatsuma: erveek: Republicans love to call for political assassinations until someone gets shot in the head. And then they pretend that they never said anything of the sort.

Kind of like how Democrats love to rage and rant about the Federal Government having too much power and allowed to much in terms of ruining people's private lives, until they get in power and just forget about those complaints?

wat


Assuming it's the same person still using the account, Tatsuma has the same relationship with the truth as did Joesph Goebbels, for the same purposes.  The tenor is different now, so it may be a new user.
 
2013-04-22 06:35:50 PM  

Talondel: I think the position is that they probably shouldn't be offered prestigious jobs at Ivy League universities. Certainly you can see the distinction between that position and the straw man that you've offered?


So you think the government should prohibit a private university from hiring ex-cons from all or just certain positions?  Can I have a list of crimes that would be on this list?

Now, a number of employers do this voluntarily.  But is that the proper thing to do?  Continue to punish someone who's paid their debt to society?
"Sorry, you were a felon so that means you can never work at a higher position then janitor EVER in your life again."
 
2013-04-22 06:42:43 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Could this crap get any more ludicrous?


Yes, a former terrorist could get a job at a university they planned to bomb. Oh wait...

I know this hurts. Stupid is supposed to hurt. The reflexive need to dismiss or defend anything a left-winger does is just stupid.

Blue_Blazer: Maybe instead he can become another hero for the right-wing like McVeigh and Koresh.


You know who the left-wing loves? Pol Pot. Of course!

Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

Fark lies?  My whole world has just collapsed.


It'd be neat if they could not act so reflexively and admit it's a farked up situation and she shouldn't have gotten the job.

But no... "Sarah Palin!!!" or something...
 
2013-04-22 06:42:55 PM  
keylock71:

That's the way our justice system works. I see no reason to get outraged about that. ...And has been pointed out, is this journalist also upset about G Gordon Liddy's and Oliver North's current employment status, as well?

That was my first thought... Um... The subversive bastard Oliver "Fawn, shred this for me" North was hired by your sister Fox News as a "respected" commentator and given a regular soapbox, NY Post.

G.Gordon Liddy has been so far to the AM radio fringe for so long that I didn't think of him immediately, but yeah.

/ has an especial hatred for Oliver Norths. Working in DC contracting you can always spot one at any conference table that has over a certain number of chairs.
 
2013-04-22 06:53:35 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: So you think the government should prohibit a private university from hiring ex-cons from all or just certain positions? Can I have a list of crimes that would be on this list?

Now, a number of employers do this voluntarily. But is that the proper thing to do? Continue to punish someone who's paid their debt to society?
"Sorry, you were a felon so that means you can never work at a higher position then janitor EVER in your life again."


There is a rational middle ground between "NO felon of any kind can ever get a good job" and "Ivy League College employs a former terrorist".

And let's be honest, Between Ayers, Boudin, Ward Churchill, Kathleen Cleaver, etc. Academia does seem to have a pronounced tendancy to embrace known radicals, even those with a history of violence or advocating of violence. I think we can all agree that once time is served, a felon is entitled to earn a livelihood, but I don;t know that we all agree that a former terrorist shoudl be placed in a position to educate our children.

The author may be a douche, but no matter how douchey and attention whoring he may be, I think his point is still valid.
 
2013-04-22 06:58:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Talondel: I think the position is that they probably shouldn't be offered prestigious jobs at Ivy League universities. Certainly you can see the distinction between that position and the straw man that you've offered?

So you think the government should prohibit a private university from hiring ex-cons from all or just certain positions?  Can I have a list of crimes that would be on this list?

Now, a number of employers do this voluntarily.  But is that the proper thing to do?  Continue to punish someone who's paid their debt to society?
"Sorry, you were a felon so that means you can never work at a higher position then janitor EVER in your life again."


...hey, it's working for sex offenders...

/And by "working" I mean "making them drop off the radar completely because they're homeless because no one wants to rent to sex offenders and families with children at the same time".
//Which means no one knows where exactly these sex offenders are.
///Which, of course, is exactly what the intent of the sex offender registry was: to lose track of these guys so they can strike again.
 
2013-04-22 07:01:31 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: There is a rational middle ground between "NO felon of any kind can ever get a good job" and "Ivy League College employs a former terrorist".

And let's be honest, Between Ayers, Boudin, Ward Churchill, Kathleen Cleaver, etc. Academia does seem to have a pronounced tendancy to embrace known radicals, even those with a history of violence or advocating of violence. I think we can all agree that once time is served, a felon is entitled to earn a livelihood, but I don;t know that we all agree that a former terrorist shoudl be placed in a position to educate our children.

The author may be a douche, but no matter how douchey and attention whoring he may be, I think his point is still valid.


How many children, exactly, do you think are going to an Ivy League college?
 
2013-04-22 07:02:50 PM  

dehehn: winterbraid: Silly Jesus: But Fark has informed me that there are no left wing terrorists, only right wing.

Fark lies?  My whole world has just collapsed.

... so vote libertarian

/HDD

Because People in power are Stupid: Someone spends 19 years in prison, gets paroled and then gets a decent job. Boo farking Hoo.

Sums it up nicely.

Can someone really imagine this Boston bomber getting said chance in 20 years though?


Okay mister... Tsarnaev. Let's have a look at your resume. Team player, detail oriented, has worked under pressure. Now, it says here that you've had hands-on experience with explosive products in the sports industry; can you expound?
 
2013-04-22 07:09:50 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How many children, exactly, do you think are going to an Ivy League college?


No idea. Or why that is relevant. What part of what i said do you disagree with?
 
2013-04-22 07:13:52 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Talondel: Sadly over the last 50 years our criminal justice system has evolved to minimize the risk of recidivism, rather than to maximize the chance of reform.  This is largely because politicians get voted out of office when someone is released early and then commits another crime, but no one gets rewarded when someone is released early and they go on to be productive members of society.  One makes the news (and the political ads) and one does not.  Think Michael Dukakis and the prison furloughs (if you're too young to remember, just google it).  No one ever won an election in this country on a platform that said we're too tough on crime.

This has nothing to do with terrorism, but you might find this an interesting read:

The Drug Laws That Changed How We Punish


I was not familiar with that essay, but I'm quite familiar with the sentiment that it expresses. 

The problem with the shift in drug law, and really with all criminal law based on a 'deterrence' mindset, is math.

When the rationale behind the length of a criminal sentence is not 'how long do we need to rehabilitate you' but rather 'how much punishment will it take to deter you from committing a crime' the number is simply much higher.  This is because with deterrence you have to take into account how much prison time will convince a person not to commit a crime, even when it's not likely they will be caught (People don't generally commit crimes, even minor ones, if they think they will be caught.  As evidence, notice all the break lights that come on every time you pass a cop on the freeway).  So the punishment must be so severe as to dissuade even a person who is relatively certain they won't get caught from committing the crime.

This results in very long prison terms for those few people who do get caught.  Because the real reason for the punishment is not to rehabilitate them, or even to do justice for the victim.  Rather, it is about finding the punishment for that person that optimizes social utility by deterring others from committing a similar crime.  The person who is caught is simple an example to be made to others.

The long sentence is needed because the punishment must be 'multiplied' by several factors to make up for the fact that the majority of the people who commit the crime will not be caught.  This must be done, or else the punishment will not have the desired effect as a deterrent.
 
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