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(The New York Times)   You know how Hollywood has run out of ideas? Well China has a few new ones   (nytimes.com) divider line 51
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2013-04-22 01:22:15 PM
The Hobbit and Skyfall sucked, so maybe the Chinese just have better taste.

/Stop liking what I don't like.
 
2013-04-22 01:27:40 PM
In the first quarter this year, ticket sales for American movies in China - including films as prominent as "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" and "Skyfall" -

Hobbit and Skyfall weren't American movies.
 
2013-04-22 02:50:32 PM
Maybe those inscrutable celestials would like movies about gay cowboys eating pudding. I'm just spitballing here.
 
2013-04-22 02:59:51 PM
China is getting into Hollywood movies in a big way. The reason part of Iron Man 3 was shot in China is because of Chinese financing. Same goes for the Karate Kid remake. Remember that weird subplot in Looper where JGL spends time in China? It's because China co-financed the movie.
 
2013-04-22 03:06:14 PM
Wait! Are you telling me Hollywood blockbusters like Stolen are not as successful as their summer time counterparts?

Informative article.

Who gives a fark about Box Office heroes anyway. Does it matter to you or me if a film does worse in china?

If we are celebrating china as an emerging film market hurray, Wong Kar-wai and that whole new wave crowd are farking great and I wish there were more chinese film makers I liked, but who farking cares how many millions avengers made in china?
 
2013-04-22 03:06:29 PM
In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.
 
2013-04-22 03:10:33 PM
nerftaig:If we are celebrating china as an emerging film market hurray, Wong Kar-wai and that whole new wave crowd are farking great and I wish there were more chinese film makers I liked, but who farking cares how many millions avengers made in china?

Well, Hollywood does, which is the point of the article.  If you like these big-budget movies (I don't really) then it should matter to you.
 
2013-04-22 03:10:41 PM

Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.


What's interesting is that Chinese audiences seem to be saying 'huh, another movie of nothing more than big explosions. yawn.' Whereas American audiences are going 'fark yeah! Explosions! Woo!'
 
2013-04-22 03:11:18 PM
So China provides financing for movies that they later priate.  Arrrrrrg...
 
2013-04-22 03:14:33 PM
"Well China has a few new ones "

In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"),

What's old is apparently new yet again.
 
2013-04-22 03:21:04 PM

propasaurus: Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.

What's interesting is that Chinese audiences seem to be saying 'huh, another movie of nothing more than big explosions. yawn.' Whereas American audiences are going 'fark yeah! Explosions! Woo!'


I remember reading that the explody action movies are more easily translatable into other cultures than dramas like Silver Linings Playbook, because apparently explosions have no cultural bounds, whereas the subtleties of a movie meant to appeal to middle-class Americans -- subtleties that will probably be more important to the plot -- may be confusing to someone from the developing world.
 
2013-04-22 03:26:54 PM

propasaurus: Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.

What's interesting is that Chinese audiences seem to be saying 'huh, another movie of nothing more than big explosions. yawn.' Whereas American audiences are going 'fark yeah! Explosions! Woo!'


I don't know about you guys, but this American is getting pretty Farking tired of explosions lately.
 
2013-04-22 03:29:52 PM
In today's news, Chinese like to watch Chinese movies.
 
2013-04-22 03:32:31 PM

Arkanaut: propasaurus: Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.

What's interesting is that Chinese audiences seem to be saying 'huh, another movie of nothing more than big explosions. yawn.' Whereas American audiences are going 'fark yeah! Explosions! Woo!'

I remember reading that the explody action movies are more easily translatable into other cultures than dramas like Silver Linings Playbook, because apparently explosions have no cultural bounds, whereas the subtleties of a movie meant to appeal to middle-class Americans -- subtleties that will probably be more important to the plot -- may be confusing to someone from the developing world.


That's been the conventional wisdom, but China now appears to be going in the opposite direction.
Part of it, of course, is money and (in the case of China, specifically) government intervention.
In part, China seems to be playing an interesting long game against Hollywood. They're dangling big money at Hollywood filmmakers to come to China and make their movies there. They're paying for filmmaking infrastructures and getting Hollywood to come teach indigenous film crews how to make big Hollywood style blockbusters. At the same time, they're heavily promoting the home-grown industry, and bribing distributors to showcase made-in-China movies. The next step will be to cut Hollywood out of the loop entirely and start financing, filming and distributing Chinese-made films to a worldwide audience; including the U.S.
 
2013-04-22 03:32:31 PM
Maybe they just don't care about watching white people?
 
2013-04-22 03:33:40 PM

caddisfly: propasaurus: Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.

What's interesting is that Chinese audiences seem to be saying 'huh, another movie of nothing more than big explosions. yawn.' Whereas American audiences are going 'fark yeah! Explosions! Woo!'

I don't know about you guys, but this American is getting pretty Farking tired of explosions lately.


Yeah, we all say we are, yet we all line up for the latest Explode-a-thon.
 
2013-04-22 03:35:16 PM

propasaurus: Yeah, we all say we are, yet we all line up for the latest Explode-a-thon.


No we don't.  Many people do and they tend to be younger, dumber, and not farkers.
 
2013-04-22 03:38:43 PM
Western movies are usually heavily censored on the big screen in China. This is doubly so if the movie implies in any way that China has a negative connotation in the film.
Chinese audiences realize that they are paying a lot of money to watch an incomplete film. So they instead just download the movie for free and watch it that way. meanwhile, they know that the Chinese movies in the theater are complete and are tailor made (showing Chinese as being wiser, richer, better than everyone else) to their tastes, so it's easy for them to want to pay the big bucks to see it in theaters.
 
2013-04-22 03:41:07 PM
"They don't want the same old thing, over and over again, the action blockbusters with lots of explosions."

I hear the favored thing in Asian countries is something like a love triangle, perhaps involving an eccentric genius that is troubled by his unfathomable feelings for a woman he finds irritating and a good looking fellow whose savant like skills make the genius feel threatened.

 

propasaurus: They're paying for filmmaking infrastructures and getting Hollywood to come teach indigenous film crews how to make big Hollywood style blockbusters. At the same time, they're heavily promoting the home-grown industry, and bribing distributors to showcase made-in-China movies. The next step will be to cut Hollywood out of the loop entirely and start financing, filming and distributing Chinese-made films to a worldwide audience; including the U.S.


I believe I have seen this movie before; I think it may be familiar to manufacturing companies.
 
2013-04-22 03:42:28 PM
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2013-04-22 03:43:50 PM

Wolf892: Western movies are usually heavily censored on the big screen in China. This is doubly so if the movie implies in any way that China has a negative connotation in the film.
Chinese audiences realize that they are paying a lot of money to watch an incomplete film. So they instead just download the movie for free and watch it that way. meanwhile, they know that the Chinese movies in the theater are complete and are tailor made (showing Chinese as being wiser, richer, better than everyone else) to their tastes, so it's easy for them to want to pay the big bucks to see it in theaters.


The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.
 
2013-04-22 03:45:11 PM

propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.


I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film
 
2013-04-22 03:46:44 PM

propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.


And Iron Man 3 has specific edits made as well just for the Chinese audience. So, this kinda proves my line of thinking...Hollywood is realizing they are losing revenue due to the censorship of their movies, so they are trying now to reduce that censorship.
 
2013-04-22 03:47:36 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film


We'll never know the greatness that might have been.
 
2013-04-22 03:48:59 PM

Wolf892: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

And Iron Man 3 has specific edits made as well just for the Chinese audience. So, this kinda proves my line of thinking...Hollywood is realizing they are losing revenue due to the censorship of their movies, so they are trying now to reduce that censorship.


Thing is, Iron Man 3 wasn't edited after the fact to appease the Chinese market, it was built from the ground up.
 
2013-04-22 03:51:08 PM

propasaurus: Thing is, Iron Man 3 wasn't edited after the fact to appease the Chinese market, it was built from the ground up.


I'm not sure if you are arguing for or against my point...that Hollywood has taken notice that censorship is hurting their revenue in China and that they are taking steps to reduce it.
 
2013-04-22 03:55:46 PM

Wolf892: propasaurus: Thing is, Iron Man 3 wasn't edited after the fact to appease the Chinese market, it was built from the ground up.

I'm not sure if you are arguing for or against my point...that Hollywood has taken notice that censorship is hurting their revenue in China and that they are taking steps to reduce it.


In true FARK fashion, if you're for it, I'm against it!

/I thick we're both saying variations on the same thing.
 
2013-04-22 03:58:47 PM

propasaurus: The All-Powerful Atheismo: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film

We'll never know the greatness that might have been.


Mostly it just compromised what would be deemed the believability factor of the film.  If there was a movie about China invading the US, we might have thought... that could happen.  With North Korea, we might as well thought that Fiji has decided to go for global conquest.
 
2013-04-22 04:02:45 PM
Although I am going to agree with the two earlier points of,  Chinese people want to watch Chinese people in movies.  The same as Chinese people are tired of watching while people blowing each other up.  And yes some day Hollywood will be removed from the loop as the Chinese market matures.

I will add one additional point.  It's hard to promote Chinese Nationalism when everyone flocks to see movies made by another country.
 
2013-04-22 04:10:06 PM

nucrash: I will add one additional point.  It's hard to promote Chinese Nationalism when everyone flocks to see movies made by another country.


Well it's not like they are running low on anti Japanese propaganda.
 
2013-04-22 04:12:33 PM

Arkanaut: propasaurus: Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.

What's interesting is that Chinese audiences seem to be saying 'huh, another movie of nothing more than big explosions. yawn.' Whereas American audiences are going 'fark yeah! Explosions! Woo!'

I remember reading that the explody action movies are more easily translatable into other cultures than dramas like Silver Linings Playbook, because apparently explosions have no cultural bounds, whereas the subtleties of a movie meant to appeal to middle-class Americans -- subtleties that will probably be more important to the plot -- may be confusing to someone from the developing world.


Makes sense, ditto for physical comedy; getting kicked in the junk is funny the world over, but a slick comedy based on sarcasm, puns, and violating specific social norms just doesn't translate.
 
2013-04-22 04:13:32 PM

nucrash: propasaurus: The All-Powerful Atheismo: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film

We'll never know the greatness that might have been.

Mostly it just compromised what would be deemed the believability factor of the film.  If there was a movie about China invading the US, we might have thought... that could happen.  With North Korea, we might as well thought that Fiji has decided to go for global conquest.


They could have played it for laughs and used the people's republic of grand Fenwick.
 
2013-04-22 04:16:13 PM

Fano: nucrash: propasaurus: The All-Powerful Atheismo: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film

We'll never know the greatness that might have been.

Mostly it just compromised what would be deemed the believability factor of the film.  If there was a movie about China invading the US, we might have thought... that could happen.  With North Korea, we might as well thought that Fiji has decided to go for global conquest.

They could have played it for laughs and used the people's republic of grand Fenwick.


Grand Fenwick was a Duchy.
 
2013-04-22 04:20:45 PM

propasaurus: Fano: nucrash: propasaurus: The All-Powerful Atheismo: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film

We'll never know the greatness that might have been.

Mostly it just compromised what would be deemed the believability factor of the film.  If there was a movie about China invading the US, we might have thought... that could happen.  With North Korea, we might as well thought that Fiji has decided to go for global conquest.

They could have played it for laughs and used the people's republic of grand Fenwick.

Grand Fenwick was a Duchy.


True, but when we hear the name of Grand Fenwick our hearts swell with pride.
 
2013-04-22 04:23:04 PM

propasaurus: Fano: nucrash: propasaurus: The All-Powerful Atheismo: propasaurus: The Red Dawn remake originally had China as the bad guys. It was changed in post-production to North Korea in order to avoid offending China.

I'll bet that really compromised the artistic integrity of the film

We'll never know the greatness that might have been.

Mostly it just compromised what would be deemed the believability factor of the film.  If there was a movie about China invading the US, we might have thought... that could happen.  With North Korea, we might as well thought that Fiji has decided to go for global conquest.

They could have played it for laughs and used the people's republic of grand Fenwick.

Grand Fenwick was a Duchy.


Kim Un is a cookie on the level of Igthorne
 
2013-04-22 04:23:13 PM
Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-22 04:26:04 PM

Wolf892: Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

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Sure. Why don't you post one?
 
2013-04-22 04:29:40 PM

Wolf892: Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x531]


Okay
i.imgur.com
For shiats and giggles
 
2013-04-22 04:30:52 PM

Wolf892: Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x531]


No, you get this instead:

i307.photobucket.com

and

24.media.tumblr.com

So there!!!
 
2013-04-22 04:37:59 PM
I know feel like Roland from the Dark Tower...indeed the world (of fark) has moved on...
 
2013-04-22 04:38:57 PM

Wolf892: I know feel like Roland from the Dark Tower...indeed the world (of fark) has moved on...


I mean "I now" not "know"   Grrrrrr
 
2013-04-22 05:05:21 PM

Wolf892: I know feel like Roland from the Dark Tower...indeed the world (of fark) has moved on...


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart, the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon fark,
The big tittied tide is lost...
 
2013-04-22 05:38:04 PM

Wolf892: Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x531]


WTF is that? A realdoll?
 
2013-04-22 05:44:20 PM

Uncle Tractor: Wolf892: Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x531]

WTF is that? A realdoll?


Shu Qi - The actress in "The Transporter" and other films....

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-04-22 05:50:07 PM

Wolf892: Uncle Tractor: Wolf892: Could we turn this into a sexy Asian Actress thread? You know, like back in the old days of Farkington Glory?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x531]

WTF is that? A realdoll?

Shu Qi - The actress in "The Transporter" and other films....

[lh3.ggpht.com image 553x700]


Here's another picture of her:

ocean.si.edu
 
2013-04-22 06:22:50 PM
Well, let's see- they censor anything deemed too offensive (which could be anything), they force the international movies to come out only after they've been in wide release for months, and then they pour a ton of money into their own movie industry, including promotion.  Add that on top of wide-spread piracy, it's going to be hard for western movies to do very well in China.
 
2013-04-22 06:25:27 PM

bborchar: Well, let's see- they censor anything deemed too offensive (which could be anything), they force the international movies to come out only after they've been in wide release for months, and then they pour a ton of money into their own movie industry, including promotion.  Add that on top of wide-spread piracy, it's going to be hard for western movies to do very well in China.


Actually, western movies do very well in China, which upsets the Party. They truly believe rock and roll killed the Soviet Union.
 
2013-04-22 09:27:57 PM
Hero is a totally different movie when you realize it's state propaganda promoting the power of the central unified government.
 
2013-04-22 10:24:06 PM

wildcardjack: Hero is a totally different movie when you realize it's state propaganda promoting the power of the central unified government.


Pssh, you said the same thing about The Care Bears Movie.
 
2013-04-23 02:34:44 AM

Arkanaut: In fact, a succession of domestic Chinese films, including the comedies "Lost in Thailand" (a close cousin to "The Hangover Part II") and "Finding Mr. Right" (China's answer to "Sleepless in Seattle"), have unexpectedly clobbered expensive American fare

Yep, those are some new ideas all right.


Came here to point out the same thing. I'm going with "theaters getting bonuses if domestic receipts outpace international receipts" Bob
 
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