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(HitFix)   Tony Stark alcoholism sub-plot nixed from 'Iron Man 3' by studio   (hitfix.com) divider line 20
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2013-04-22 11:50:10 AM
3 votes:
Alcoholism is a serious problem and it would be distasteful to do it in a family friendly movie that will not do it justice.

Does the Iron Man suit have a built in dialysis machine?
2013-04-22 12:45:00 PM
2 votes:
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The biggest effect of the transition from the 70s-era comics to the 80s was that comics stopped being white hat vs black hat. The characters got more or less bounded by physics and began being treated like actual characters.  It's of course logical that since this is what made them successful, we should backpedal.
2013-04-22 12:40:51 PM
2 votes:

Zombie DJ: Bringing it up now would be bad storytelling.


Alcoholism is progressive. It's not bad storytelling for him to not have a problem in the first film and be a full on drunk by the third.
2013-04-22 12:30:06 PM
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Mugato: They could address his alcoholism without it being Leaving Las Vegas. James Bond is clearly a drunk and it never brings the movie down. Shane Black is one of the best action screenwriters in Hollywood, let him do what he wants. Farking suits.


Pretty much this.  Although the Demon in a Bottle was done in the comics and is canon, that doesn't mean that the movie has to do it.  So he's a playboy that likes to drink, drive fast cars, and beat up on baddies.  So's James Bond and you don't see a movie with him confronting his addiction to Vodak martini's.
2013-04-22 11:54:08 AM
2 votes:
I thought they kinda covered the drunk thing in IM2 anyway, albeit brief.
2013-04-22 03:24:16 PM
1 votes:
One of the things I enjoyed about the character was his struggle with alcohol. I always felt that his frustration with the world came from operating on an intelligence level well beyond the average human and/or out of the normal realm of thought which he could escape by drinking. I guess I enjoyed it, because I could relate though I am not a super genius I do tend to see things outside of normal thinking and I have become a regular drinker though I wouldn't quite call it alcoholism since I don't have any of the negative aspects like drinking until I pass out every night. I do not mind that they axed alcoholism from the script, but I wish they would stop hinting at it or portraying him as a heavy drinker since it glamorize drinking.
2013-04-22 02:37:02 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: HST's Dead Carcass: Maybe if they paid the screenwriters more to make compelling stories, they could cut back on the CGI.

Eh, screenwriters don't need more money. There are a million starving screenwriters in Hollywood. Money isn't the issue. It's studio execs who think they know better than the writers.


Um, perhaps you're unaware that it was one of the reasons they asked him, and one of the reasons he accepted? RDJ's past ain't a liability, it's a feature, yo.
2013-04-22 01:36:06 PM
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slayer199: Whomever thought this was a GOOD idea is a moron.  Robert Downey Jr.'s addiction issues are well-known (glad he's still sober).  I think having an addict play an alcoholic would be terribly unsympathetic.


Oh please, he's an actor. That's what they do, they act.
2013-04-22 01:32:57 PM
1 votes:
Whomever thought this was a GOOD idea is a moron.  Robert Downey Jr.'s addiction issues are well-known (glad he's still sober).  I think having an addict play an alcoholic would be terribly unsympathetic.
2013-04-22 01:17:25 PM
1 votes:

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: /no movie with Ben Kingsley as the villain is ever good


Not saying IM3 will be, but go watch "Sexy Beast"
2013-04-22 12:50:53 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: As with burgers, so too with movies.


No, that's what studio execs think movies are about. And since that's all they give us, that's all we get. But a movie can break from the standard tropes and if it's good, people will see it. Except movies are so damned expensive nowadays, the studios won't take a $200mill dollar risk on a movie that may be the next Matrix or the next Sucker Punch. So we get paint by numbers comic book movies and remakes.
2013-04-22 12:44:45 PM
1 votes:

justtray: Alcoholism is a serious problem and it would be distasteful to do it in a family friendly movie that will not do it justice.

Does the Iron Man suit have a built in dialysis machine?


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2013-04-22 12:25:44 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: They could address his alcoholism without it being Leaving Las Vegas. James Bond is clearly a drunk and it never brings the movie down. Shane Black is one of the best action screenwriters in Hollywood, let him do what he wants. Farking suits.


Eh, I dunno.  Once they really say "Tony, you're a farking alcoholic, you need to stop drinking", it becomes something that impacts every other time we see him, especially if he's having a drink.  It would color all the other movies too.  And if he magically just gets better, it's both unrealistic and robbing him of the struggle.  True alcoholism's a real biatch.

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind a certain amount of quiet depressive drinking in secret--hints, really--since the voice-over from the trailer is pretty bleak.  He can't sleep, he's nervous, etc.  Taking a little self-medication from a hip flask before a news conference or some other situation where he has to be 'on' could add layers, without Pepper and War Machine staging an intervention.
2013-04-22 12:25:33 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure that this has nothing to do with product placement and cooperative sponsorships between the studios and beer/liquor companies.
2013-04-22 12:09:20 PM
1 votes:

Captain Kickass: I'm no Comic Book Guy, but isn't that one of the character's defining characteristics?


I don't think the 1980's-era comic book publishers had to worry about the financial impact of a phone call from Seagram or Anhauser-Busch.  That's probably only a small part of the equation though.

Iron Man and Avengers both cater heavily to a younger audience and families with kids. Complex, distressing characters don't always fit in well. Watchmen, on the other hand, got a very different audience, and could use plots involving betrayal, substance abuse, and aging in a way audiences could follow and not find excessively jarring.
2013-04-22 11:53:59 AM
1 votes:
Wasn't Iron Man 2 literally about his alcoholism?
2013-04-22 11:53:37 AM
1 votes:
That would be like if they nixed the being boring subplot from the Superman movie.
2013-04-22 11:51:45 AM
1 votes:
I can understand that. While it was a great character growth story in the comics, most people go to iron man movies wanting to see iron man you know... Doing iron man stuff. To do justice to the Demon in a Bottle story it would dominate the entire movie.

Although... I could totally see this as a possible 2 episode Special Event on the new S.H.I.E.L.D. show... You never know.

/mother is a alcoholic
//has mad respect for anyone who pulls themselves out of that gutter.
2013-04-22 11:50:32 AM
1 votes:
probably because it just wouldn't be believable that Robert Downey Jr could be a drunk.
2013-04-22 11:50:19 AM
1 votes:
I'm no Comic Book Guy, but isn't that one of the character's defining characteristics?
 
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