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(RealClearPolitics)   Californians are undereducated, unemployed, homeless and violent. Also, their sidewalks stink   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 31
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2013-04-22 01:09:07 PM
2 votes:
We're talking about plastic bags. It's not that hard.

Do you eat seafood? if so, you should support getting rid of single-use bags.

PLASTIC NEVER GOES AWAY. It winds up in your food in itty-bitty pieces.

http://www.surfrider.org/programs/entry/rise-above-plastics
2013-04-22 12:57:22 PM
2 votes:
A California Senate Environmental Quality Committee analysis of Padilla's SB 405 discusses the possible "public health implications," as reusable bags "can harbor bacteria such as coliform bacteria." Washing bags can help, the analysis noted; alas, a study found that 97 percent of Californians and Arizonans said they never wash their bags.

So wash the bags. Personal responsibility and such.

No worries. SB 405 would require reusable bags to include cleaning care instructions. Because people always read the many warnings and instructions mandated by state law

Again, personal responsibility.

-- yes, that was sarcasm -- the Padilla warning just might reduce the number of consumers who don't wash their bags so that -- what? -- maybe only 96 percent of consumers will be at risk of getting sick from their unwashed reused bags.
This is like some bizarre reverse nanny state argument. "We're all too stupid for reusable bags, plz halp us"

Wtf is this woman's problem?
2013-04-22 12:46:39 PM
2 votes:
standard response:  Yes, it sucks in California, please don't move or even visit here.  Who wants to play golf in the middle of winter in 65 degree weather anyway?
2013-04-22 11:26:26 AM
2 votes:
When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?
2013-04-22 11:10:01 PM
1 votes:
The bag laws are pretty pointless and kind of annoying but it's really far down the list when it comes to asinine state/city laws. It's not like right wingers are champions for education, the homeless, and the unemployed, so what is this dumb broad talking about? This writer needs some perspective. In the end, despite our problems, California is still the best state in the US.
2013-04-22 09:08:53 PM
1 votes:

MrSteve007: FilmBELOH20: I love the ocean probably more than anyone on fark, but I use the paper bags to start fires in my fireplace, and the plastic ones to clean up after the enormous amount of shiat that a German Shepherd and a Jack Russel Terrier manage to leave in the yard.  Will never be a bag recycler - just can't see it happening.

[www.rei.com image 850x691]
$8 a REI for 72 bags = that's $0.11 a bag, for fully compostable, non-plastic dog shiat bags.

Surely if you can afford to feed a dog that large, you can afford not to fark up the planet with thousands of dog shiat filled plastic bags.


Now I know how I'm spending my "dividend"!
2013-04-22 07:55:45 PM
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: I love the ocean probably more than anyone on fark, but I use the paper bags to start fires in my fireplace, and the plastic ones to clean up after the enormous amount of shiat that a German Shepherd and a Jack Russel Terrier manage to leave in the yard.  Will never be a bag recycler - just can't see it happening.


www.rei.com
$8 a REI for 72 bags = that's $0.11 a bag, for fully compostable, non-plastic dog shiat bags.

Surely if you can afford to feed a dog that large, you can afford not to fark up the planet with thousands of dog shiat filled plastic bags.
2013-04-22 06:32:51 PM
1 votes:

spongeboob: I am torn on plastic bags I hate that they end up in the middle of the ocean as they slowly photodegrade and end up in side of marine life. However I also walk 3 dogs so I need plastic bags to pick up their crap.


Use the small plastic bags provided at the store for produce and meat. They're perfect. Bread bags aren't bad, either. I never liked using the plastic grocery bags for dog poop, because they always had holes in them.
2013-04-22 05:10:54 PM
1 votes:
This rambling bullshiat posted from my iPhone.
2013-04-22 03:33:28 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Well Debra Saunders, stop throwing your plastic bags all over the streets (and get your friends, neighbors, and the entire rest of the city to join you) and maybe nobody would consider banning the things.

Seattle banned them a few years ago.  People dealt with the fact that they're now either spending 5 cents for the privilege of bringing home more refuse with their groceries, or have manned up and gotten themselves the reusable bags.  Nobody burst out into flames.  Nobody was harmed by the legislation.  Inconvenienced, sure, but we also don't have to walk along streets lined with plastic when we leave our homes.


I kind of wish they'd do that here in Las Vegas too. So many people who live here (unfortunately) are lazy slobs, and with our frequently windy weather the trash blows everywhere. We call the flying plastic bags "Vegas birds". I'd be willing to put up with the inconvenience (and really, it would only be inconvenient until I get into the habit of actually remembering my reusable bags) if it would cut down on the litter problem. Plus, the biatching from my teabagging in-laws would be glorious.
2013-04-22 02:25:15 PM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Or you could just throw the reusable bags in when you wash your supply of bootstraps.


I always get confused.... are these people rugged, boostrappy individualists who don't need no nanny state because they can take care of themselves.... or mincing pansies who think it's virtually the end times because they can't get hold of some plastic grocery bags and incandescent light bulbs?
2013-04-22 02:12:11 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: No worries. SB 405 would require reusable bags to include cleaning care instructions. Because people always read the many warnings and instructions mandated by state law -- yes, that was sarcasm -- the Padilla warning just might reduce the number of consumers who don't wash their bags so that -- what? -- maybe only 96 percent of consumers will be at risk of getting sick from their unwashed reused bags.

I have the same problem with wearing clothes. Big daddy government says "Oh no, taxpayer, you have to be clothed if you want to walk these streets," but what is he doing for me on this washing situation? Maybe only 96 percent of people wearing clothes will be at risk of getting sick from their unwashed reused clothes.

Or you could just throw the reusable bags in when you wash your supply of bootstraps.
2013-04-22 02:09:37 PM
1 votes:
I like how all of her complaints are completely invalid.

Making people sick?! Tell them to wash their shopping bags!

Paper bags use more water and energy to make than plastic?! Only when you ignore the step of harvesting the original resource.
2013-04-22 01:57:53 PM
1 votes:

Incog_Neeto: I remember after the first time I go out, however having to remember to bring my own bags isn't any less obnoxious. On the plus side it makes me keep an eye out for the same ineffective BS laws that anyone tries to pass around here.


Jesus Christ, just put some reusable bags in the car and use them by choice all the time you whiny biatch.

Life is not really this hard.
2013-04-22 01:44:05 PM
1 votes:

tortilla burger: What's ironic about this bag situation is that banning plastic bags is actually worse for the environment. People for the most part don't bring their own bags, and paper bag consumption has gone way up since the plastic bag ban in SF was instituted. Paper bags use way more resources (water, land, etc) to produce, more material per bag is necessary relative to plastic, and the production of paper bags produces more greenhouse gas emissions than plastic.

I live under the tyranny of the plastic bag ban, and I tell you it's farking annoying as shiat.


There's nothing "ironic" about it, nor is what you said actually true. Plastic bags dont break down (see: the Pacific trash heap), and are made of petroleum. Further, you're simply parroting her argument by using different words: people are too lazy to bring their own bags.
2013-04-22 01:40:58 PM
1 votes:

Incog_Neeto: having to remember to bring my own bags isn't any less obnoxious.


Keep them in the car. Grab them on your way into the store. Put them back in the car after you put your groceries away at home.

/I've been doing it for more than a decade.
//It's not hard.
2013-04-22 01:18:29 PM
1 votes:
If forty cents per grocery store trip is absolutely SHATTERING your budget, you may seriously want to consider a lifestyle change.

/seriously, I live here, it is NOT a big deal
2013-04-22 01:12:54 PM
1 votes:

Incog_Neeto: Every time I go to visit my family in California the fact that I can't just buy something and put it in a farking bag is goddamn annoying as piss.


You should just stop.  It's upsetting to you and your family never loved you anyway.
2013-04-22 01:10:14 PM
1 votes:
I spent a week in Hawaii in January, two different islands, and didn't see a single plastic bag the whole time I was there.

Did I miss an article suggesting we go ahead and give Hawaii to the Japanese? Or some other related outrage?

/ca resident
//almost as if states with lots of coastline see firsthand the negative environmental effects of plastic bags.
2013-04-22 01:08:08 PM
1 votes:
Haters gonna hate.
2013-04-22 01:00:45 PM
1 votes:
I'm in Los Angeles today.  It smells like an airport runway, jet fuel stenches in the cabin, and lights flickering at random.

I'm in Los Angeles today.  Garbage cans comprise the medians of freeways always creeping, even when the population's sleeping.

And I can't see why you'd want to live here.
2013-04-22 12:54:35 PM
1 votes:
I look around California and see serious problems -- undereducated children, one of the country's highest unemployment rates, homeless people and violent crime.

How long do you think it takes to write a 614 word diatribe about plastic grocery bags?

I'm a little curious because I'd like to know how much time Debra Saunders spent doing this instead of, I dunno, volunteering at a soup kitchen or offering to mentor a student or read to children at the local library.
2013-04-22 12:39:55 PM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?


They also make the point constantly that guns laws are futile because only law abiding citizens will follow them. Doesn't then apply to all laws then?
2013-04-22 12:36:33 PM
1 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.


It's been a catastrophe. I haven't been able to change the kitty litter for months, because I have nothing to put it in.
2013-04-22 12:36:31 PM
1 votes:
A bag tax has been around in many other places for years, it's not like this is a step into the unknown.
2013-04-22 12:36:13 PM
1 votes:
"When Sacramento lawmakers see an opportunity to stick it to employed people who buy things, nothing can stop them."

Stopped reading there.
2013-04-22 12:31:23 PM
1 votes:
They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.
2013-04-22 12:29:38 PM
1 votes:
After reading this derp the author sounds like she'd make homeless into reusable bags.
2013-04-22 11:35:14 AM
1 votes:
subby, you misspelled Mississippi.
2013-04-22 11:30:56 AM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?


There are so many other problems that it's useless to pass anything else until the homeless are housed, the hungry are fed, and unemployed find full employment. That's why we shouldn't pass anything looking like gun control, because they are useless, because criminals already have guns. Better to do nothing, and watch it all burn, than do even the smallest thing. Truly, she has captured the gravitas of her subject matter. She is a lone candle in the dark, that the unwashed masses must turn to, the single clarion bell in the night to lead the lost ships to harbor...
2013-04-22 11:27:43 AM
1 votes:
That's why the Romans cooked up the term "caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware).

Perhaps invoking an empire that fell due to rot from within is less than compelling to your point, Dear Author...
 
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