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(RealClearPolitics)   Californians are undereducated, unemployed, homeless and violent. Also, their sidewalks stink   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 73
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2013-04-22 11:26:26 AM
When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?
 
2013-04-22 11:27:43 AM
That's why the Romans cooked up the term "caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware).

Perhaps invoking an empire that fell due to rot from within is less than compelling to your point, Dear Author...
 
2013-04-22 11:30:56 AM

sigdiamond2000: When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?


There are so many other problems that it's useless to pass anything else until the homeless are housed, the hungry are fed, and unemployed find full employment. That's why we shouldn't pass anything looking like gun control, because they are useless, because criminals already have guns. Better to do nothing, and watch it all burn, than do even the smallest thing. Truly, she has captured the gravitas of her subject matter. She is a lone candle in the dark, that the unwashed masses must turn to, the single clarion bell in the night to lead the lost ships to harbor...
 
2013-04-22 11:35:14 AM
subby, you misspelled Mississippi.
 
2013-04-22 11:47:14 AM

sigdiamond2000: When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?


They'll flip their shiat when they realize how much extra they're paying for bottle deposits.
 
2013-04-22 12:29:38 PM
After reading this derp the author sounds like she'd make homeless into reusable bags.
 
2013-04-22 12:31:23 PM
They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.
 
2013-04-22 12:32:59 PM

Fart_Machine: After reading this derp the author sounds like she'd make homeless into reusable bags.


She basically tries to be the SF Chronicle's version of Anne Coulter. She usually comes off looking just as biatchy, but with half the derp factor.
 
2013-04-22 12:36:13 PM
"When Sacramento lawmakers see an opportunity to stick it to employed people who buy things, nothing can stop them."

Stopped reading there.
 
2013-04-22 12:36:31 PM
A bag tax has been around in many other places for years, it's not like this is a step into the unknown.
 
2013-04-22 12:36:33 PM

Soup4Bonnie: They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.


It's been a catastrophe. I haven't been able to change the kitty litter for months, because I have nothing to put it in.
 
2013-04-22 12:37:44 PM
She should be more worried about when her Preparation H becomes contaminated from a soiled reusable shopping bag.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:48 PM
I miss my neighbors burning plastic bags in their trash pile fires outside my house in rural Tanzania.  Those were the days...

//csb
 
2013-04-22 12:38:49 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Fart_Machine: After reading this derp the author sounds like she'd make homeless into reusable bags.

She basically tries to be the SF Chronicle's version of Anne Coulter. She usually comes off looking just as biatchy, but with half the derp factor.


Exactly--her column 'token conservative' is usually a really, really weak attack on the liberal policies in California--and I mean weak. She used a scene from "Red Dawn" as an example of why gun owners fear registries.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:50 PM
Whoa. A buddy of mine is all of the above except violent.
 
2013-04-22 12:39:55 PM

sigdiamond2000: When making laws, California's lawmakers often ignore the most abiding of all laws, the law of unintended consequences. But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

We're talking about f*cking bags here, right?


They also make the point constantly that guns laws are futile because only law abiding citizens will follow them. Doesn't then apply to all laws then?
 
2013-04-22 12:40:15 PM

BMulligan: It's been a catastrophe. I haven't been able to change the kitty litter for months, because I have nothing to put it in.


Haha!  This is true.  We used to use the old plastic bags to pick up our Great Danes leavings but fortunately my wife bought a life time supply of the wrong sized trash bags for our kitchen waste can so good luck with that, sucker!  I am farking golden.
 
2013-04-22 12:40:18 PM

Soup4Bonnie: They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.


Every time I go to visit my family in California the fact that I can't just buy something and put it in a farking bag is goddamn annoying as piss.
 
2013-04-22 12:40:52 PM
But in this state, if there's one group Sacramento can push around, it's not people who make the streets unseemly, and it's not the menaces to society; it's hardworking taxpayers who buy things. They are the softest target.

This!  I wish I was homeless.  They get all the breaks.
 
2013-04-22 12:46:39 PM
standard response:  Yes, it sucks in California, please don't move or even visit here.  Who wants to play golf in the middle of winter in 65 degree weather anyway?
 
2013-04-22 12:54:35 PM
I look around California and see serious problems -- undereducated children, one of the country's highest unemployment rates, homeless people and violent crime.

How long do you think it takes to write a 614 word diatribe about plastic grocery bags?

I'm a little curious because I'd like to know how much time Debra Saunders spent doing this instead of, I dunno, volunteering at a soup kitchen or offering to mentor a student or read to children at the local library.
 
2013-04-22 12:57:22 PM
A California Senate Environmental Quality Committee analysis of Padilla's SB 405 discusses the possible "public health implications," as reusable bags "can harbor bacteria such as coliform bacteria." Washing bags can help, the analysis noted; alas, a study found that 97 percent of Californians and Arizonans said they never wash their bags.

So wash the bags. Personal responsibility and such.

No worries. SB 405 would require reusable bags to include cleaning care instructions. Because people always read the many warnings and instructions mandated by state law

Again, personal responsibility.

-- yes, that was sarcasm -- the Padilla warning just might reduce the number of consumers who don't wash their bags so that -- what? -- maybe only 96 percent of consumers will be at risk of getting sick from their unwashed reused bags.
This is like some bizarre reverse nanny state argument. "We're all too stupid for reusable bags, plz halp us"

Wtf is this woman's problem?
 
2013-04-22 12:57:54 PM
Well Debra Saunders, stop throwing your plastic bags all over the streets (and get your friends, neighbors, and the entire rest of the city to join you) and maybe nobody would consider banning the things.

Seattle banned them a few years ago.  People dealt with the fact that they're now either spending 5 cents for the privilege of bringing home more refuse with their groceries, or have manned up and gotten themselves the reusable bags.  Nobody burst out into flames.  Nobody was harmed by the legislation.  Inconvenienced, sure, but we also don't have to walk along streets lined with plastic when we leave our homes.
 
2013-04-22 01:00:02 PM

BMulligan: Soup4Bonnie: They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.

It's been a catastrophe. I haven't been able to change the kitty litter for months, because I have nothing to put it in.


I add the kitty litter to my almost-full kitchen garbage and take it all out at once.  My old plastic bag cabinet now has room for other things.
 
2013-04-22 01:00:45 PM
I'm in Los Angeles today.  It smells like an airport runway, jet fuel stenches in the cabin, and lights flickering at random.

I'm in Los Angeles today.  Garbage cans comprise the medians of freeways always creeping, even when the population's sleeping.

And I can't see why you'd want to live here.
 
2013-04-22 01:03:55 PM

The Third Man: I'm in Los Angeles today.  It smells like an airport runway, jet fuel stenches in the cabin, and lights flickering at random.

I'm in Los Angeles today.  Garbage cans comprise the medians of freeways always creeping, even when the population's sleeping.

And I can't see why you'd want to live here.


Yeah, and billboards reach past the tallest buildings
 
2013-04-22 01:06:15 PM
Farking Subby is a liar, there are no sidewalks in CA. They take the car from one side of the parking lot to the other, like real Americans.
 
2013-04-22 01:06:20 PM

TimonC346: RoyFokker'sGhost: Fart_Machine: After reading this derp the author sounds like she'd make homeless into reusable bags.

She basically tries to be the SF Chronicle's version of Anne Coulter. She usually comes off looking just as biatchy, but with half the derp factor.

Exactly--her column 'token conservative' is usually a really, really weak attack on the liberal policies in California--and I mean weak. She used a scene from "Red Dawn" as an example of why gun owners fear registries.


When I first moved to California 20 years ago, Debra Saunders wasn't nearly as derpy as she is now. Her flirtations with a center-right position didn't last more than 4 or 5 years. Once Pete Wilson took office and veered hard right, she went with him and never came back.
 
2013-04-22 01:08:08 PM
Haters gonna hate.
 
2013-04-22 01:08:54 PM

skozlaw: I look around California and see serious problems -- undereducated children, one of the country's highest unemployment rates, homeless people and violent crime.

How long do you think it takes to write a 614 word diatribe about plastic grocery bags?

I'm a little curious because I'd like to know how much time Debra Saunders spent doing this instead of, I dunno, volunteering at a soup kitchen or offering to mentor a student or read to children at the local library.


Hmmm.   Also, let's see.   California:
18th in violent crime and dropping
In the top five for homeless numbers, can't seem to find a percent of population ranking/list...
 
2013-04-22 01:09:07 PM
We're talking about plastic bags. It's not that hard.

Do you eat seafood? if so, you should support getting rid of single-use bags.

PLASTIC NEVER GOES AWAY. It winds up in your food in itty-bitty pieces.

http://www.surfrider.org/programs/entry/rise-above-plastics
 
2013-04-22 01:10:14 PM
I spent a week in Hawaii in January, two different islands, and didn't see a single plastic bag the whole time I was there.

Did I miss an article suggesting we go ahead and give Hawaii to the Japanese? Or some other related outrage?

/ca resident
//almost as if states with lots of coastline see firsthand the negative environmental effects of plastic bags.
 
2013-04-22 01:12:06 PM
I'm not homeless.  (yet)
 
2013-04-22 01:12:54 PM

Incog_Neeto: Every time I go to visit my family in California the fact that I can't just buy something and put it in a farking bag is goddamn annoying as piss.


You should just stop.  It's upsetting to you and your family never loved you anyway.
 
2013-04-22 01:15:43 PM

Incog_Neeto: Soup4Bonnie: They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.

Every time I go to visit my family in California the fact that I can't just buy something and put it in a farking bag is goddamn annoying as piss.


You *know* that you need to bring your own bags, yet you don't and you still feel the need to complain about it on the internet?  Are your initials D.S.?
 
2013-04-22 01:18:29 PM
If forty cents per grocery store trip is absolutely SHATTERING your budget, you may seriously want to consider a lifestyle change.

/seriously, I live here, it is NOT a big deal
 
2013-04-22 01:33:06 PM

GWSuperfan: We're talking about plastic


4.bp.blogspot.com

Plastic!
 
2013-04-22 01:34:57 PM
What's ironic about this bag situation is that banning plastic bags is actually worse for the environment. People for the most part don't bring their own bags, and paper bag consumption has gone way up since the plastic bag ban in SF was instituted. Paper bags use way more resources (water, land, etc) to produce, more material per bag is necessary relative to plastic, and the production of paper bags produces more greenhouse gas emissions than plastic.

I live under the tyranny of the plastic bag ban, and I tell you it's farking annoying as shiat.
 
2013-04-22 01:37:49 PM
The plastic beaches of Midway, impossible to clean.

Fark plastic bags. In a few years, this will be most coastlines in the world.
 
2013-04-22 01:37:55 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Incog_Neeto: Soup4Bonnie: They've gotten rid of plastic bags here in Seattle a while ago.  Nobody has died yet.

Every time I go to visit my family in California the fact that I can't just buy something and put it in a farking bag is goddamn annoying as piss.

You *know* that you need to bring your own bags, yet you don't and you still feel the need to complain about it on the internet?  Are your initials D.S.?


I remember after the first time I go out, however having to remember to bring my own bags isn't any less obnoxious. On the plus side it makes me keep an eye out for the same ineffective BS laws that anyone tries to pass around here.
 
2013-04-22 01:39:34 PM
blog.sfgate.com

Resting place of the Devil Incarnate.
 
2013-04-22 01:40:58 PM

Incog_Neeto: having to remember to bring my own bags isn't any less obnoxious.


Keep them in the car. Grab them on your way into the store. Put them back in the car after you put your groceries away at home.

/I've been doing it for more than a decade.
//It's not hard.
 
2013-04-22 01:44:05 PM

tortilla burger: What's ironic about this bag situation is that banning plastic bags is actually worse for the environment. People for the most part don't bring their own bags, and paper bag consumption has gone way up since the plastic bag ban in SF was instituted. Paper bags use way more resources (water, land, etc) to produce, more material per bag is necessary relative to plastic, and the production of paper bags produces more greenhouse gas emissions than plastic.

I live under the tyranny of the plastic bag ban, and I tell you it's farking annoying as shiat.


There's nothing "ironic" about it, nor is what you said actually true. Plastic bags dont break down (see: the Pacific trash heap), and are made of petroleum. Further, you're simply parroting her argument by using different words: people are too lazy to bring their own bags.
 
2013-04-22 01:51:43 PM

GWSuperfan: Incog_Neeto: having to remember to bring my own bags isn't any less obnoxious.

Keep them in the car. Grab them on your way into the store. Put them back in the car after you put your groceries away at home.

/I've been doing it for more than a decade.
//It's not hard.


Same here. I never understood the butthurt over removing plastic bags or incandescent light bulbs but I guess people have to be outraged over something.
 
2013-04-22 01:57:40 PM
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2013-04-22 01:57:53 PM

Incog_Neeto: I remember after the first time I go out, however having to remember to bring my own bags isn't any less obnoxious. On the plus side it makes me keep an eye out for the same ineffective BS laws that anyone tries to pass around here.


Jesus Christ, just put some reusable bags in the car and use them by choice all the time you whiny biatch.

Life is not really this hard.
 
2013-04-22 02:09:37 PM
I like how all of her complaints are completely invalid.

Making people sick?! Tell them to wash their shopping bags!

Paper bags use more water and energy to make than plastic?! Only when you ignore the step of harvesting the original resource.
 
2013-04-22 02:09:42 PM
Generally, if there's tree-farm paper bags, I'd prefer them to plastic. Recyclable, made from a resource we can replenish, and most importantly, if my cats want to go into the bag I don't have to worry about it.


I'd like to see an overall reduction of plastics. It's useful - almost too useful - but if it gets into the environment it's a foreign object that can't be dealt with, unless some plastic/petroleum eating bacteria form or something. And that's bad for us...
 
2013-04-22 02:12:11 PM
FTFA: No worries. SB 405 would require reusable bags to include cleaning care instructions. Because people always read the many warnings and instructions mandated by state law -- yes, that was sarcasm -- the Padilla warning just might reduce the number of consumers who don't wash their bags so that -- what? -- maybe only 96 percent of consumers will be at risk of getting sick from their unwashed reused bags.

I have the same problem with wearing clothes. Big daddy government says "Oh no, taxpayer, you have to be clothed if you want to walk these streets," but what is he doing for me on this washing situation? Maybe only 96 percent of people wearing clothes will be at risk of getting sick from their unwashed reused clothes.

Or you could just throw the reusable bags in when you wash your supply of bootstraps.
 
2013-04-22 02:18:00 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Fart_Machine: After reading this derp the author sounds like she'd make homeless into reusable bags.

She basically tries to be the SF Chronicle's version of Anne Coulter. She usually comes off looking just as biatchy, but with half the derp factor.


This.

I grew up reading the Chron, and she's... too bland to be truly awful, but her "writing" isn't worth the fishwrap it's printed on.

Damn I miss Herb Caen.

I left my hometown of SF a decade ago and never looked back, including reading the Chron. I miss it sometimes; even hate-reading people like her or Mick LaSalle.
 
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