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(Time)   Time asks: Why did the Tsarnaevs let their carjacking victim live? Answer: Terrorists are frequently dumb, like the Palestinian bombers who forgot to account for Daylight Savings Time and blew themselves up before they could deliver the bomb   (swampland.time.com ) divider line
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2013-04-22 01:02:32 PM  
3 votes:

Evil Mackerel: MBK:

Give him a fair trial.  Show the rest of the world that no matter how evil you are, you are not greater than the system.

They arrested Dick Cheney?


Nah, he only shot one person. You get a free pass for one.
2013-04-22 12:18:01 PM  
3 votes:

NutWrench: It was the only good thing they did that day.


Actually around noon they went to a puppy orphanage and spent more than 45 minutes making them happy

Bet you feel like an asshole now, don't you?
2013-04-22 11:18:52 AM  
3 votes:

serial_crusher: The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.

I guess it's ok to call it a "pin number" if you don't capitalize it?


If only they'd written "ATM machine PIN number".
2013-04-22 08:44:43 AM  
3 votes:
The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.

I guess it's ok to call it a "pin number" if you don't capitalize it?
2013-04-22 08:30:35 AM  
3 votes:
or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful
2013-04-22 02:25:49 PM  
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: Go back and watch the entire Terminator series.  In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to.  This is like that.  And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.


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2013-04-22 02:01:42 PM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: you sounds scared. Better kill that scary brown kid quick.


Dude, dude dude...these pricks were white as hell.  They come from the region where the term 'caucasian' comes from, you can argue they are foreign or something, but brown? 

You are either trollin' hard or really just so open minded that we could use your skull as a gotdamn punch bowl.
2013-04-22 12:17:53 PM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


I picked the 'Funny' button because there is no 'Dumbass' button
2013-04-22 11:30:58 AM  
2 votes:
Because a bombing is impersonal as opposed to sitting next to that person in the car and shooting

Or accidentally blowing their head off while asking their opinion on why some guy unloaded a hand cannon at you in an apartment and missed every shot
2013-04-22 03:45:09 PM  
1 vote:

Theaetetus: I never said a cat grows into a wolf. This is fact. You are factually wrong by trying to claim I'm factually wrong. Also, that's a bullshiat argument and you know it.

Are there feral cats? Absolutely. Can you adopt a stray kitten and domesticate it? Absolutely. Therefore, contrary to your earlier statement "The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral. That's pretty solidly established scientifically,"it is not established at all.
But hey, don't trust me, let's look at Wiki:
A feral organism (from Latin fera, "a wild beast") is a domesticated species that has reverted to living in the wild..
The cat returns readily to a feral state if it has not been socialized properly in its young life... A local population of feral cats living in an urban area and using a common food source is sometimes called a feral cat colony. As feral cats multiply quickly, it is difficult to control their populations. Animal shelters attempt to adopt out feral cats, especially kittens, but often are overwhelmed with sheer numbers and euthanasia is used.
It appears to be pretty solidly established that being feral is a condition that an animal may go into or out of, rather than being an inherent part of its nature.


Oh ffs.

Okay, sorry, I used the wrong word. Wild. Wild animal. Better?

A cat is not a farking wolf. Stop farking talking about cats. Cats are domesticated animals, wolves are wild animals. My error in word usage, you still remain in error in the entire concept, but in your mission to Be Right About This, I'm sure you'll pull some other hyperbolic bullshiat out after you've lost the entire point of the statement to begin with.

Theaetetus: Frankly, you should stop relying on fiction as the source of your "science". Although wolves are much tougher to train than dogs, they are trainable.
Also, see above regarding the definition of "feral". It's not an inherent trait, like "white" or "furry", it's a status.

Furthermore, this all has nothing to do with the substantive argument: Hitler was not inherently evil. A proto-Hitler baby is not destined to become Hitler. You judge Hitler based on his actions, not based on what he will become,as the Talmudic story does.


Okay, you've got a wikipedia degree, I'm obviously in error here.

Wolves are wild, not feral. I was wrong. You're still wrong here, too.

You are still forcing this into an entirely different place than it needs to be, though I suspect now you either really are a troll or you're just an asshole.

No, Hitler wasn't evil as a baby but then the statement wouldn't apply, would it? because we wouldn't know if he was going to be cruel or not without knowledge of the future. Therefore you are still talking out of your ass. I and the story both judge him based on his actions as defined by the word "cruel" because baby Hitler as judged by anyone in the context of the time would not be judged as "cruel" whereas a wolf pup would be judged by its nature as "wild." You are dragging together multiple concepts and stripping away important context just to slam your own bullshiat in and make it fit.

I would consider Hitler cruel per his actions wrt the Holocaust, yet I cannot know if his nature would remain predestined as cruel. It is a pretty safe farking bet that it would be so, however, and eschewing mercy at that point is a very rational action. The same with not taking in a wolf pup, no matter how much you want to wave wikipedia in the air.

Lets look at it like this: some dogs, no matter how well trained and how much work is involved with them, are not safe around children. Wild wolves require significantly more training than dogs, which are domestic animals. Yet into this you're saying: WOLVES ARE OKAY LETS BRING THEM IN THE HOUSE.

You want to put in the years of intense training required to make a wolf nominally safe as a pet? Go for it. For the rest of the world that does not have the free time or energy to invest on minimal to no return, adopting a dog from a kill shelter is the more reasonable way to go. You go ahead and bring a wolf into your house though, whatever.

Theaetetus: And frankly, I do think you're trolling now. You've got nothing to respond to my substantive arguments, so you're misrepresenting what I've said, calling me names, and surrounding yourself with strawmen. I think it's pretty clear that any further time spent on you is a waste.

But I do hope that you'll read those wiki articles. They're quite interesting and may make you less incorrect in the future.


I'm calling you names because you're intentionally being an asshole about this. I haven't misrepresented anything, you've been twisting shiat so far out of context I have to unbend it just to get it back to something resembling the original conversation.
2013-04-22 02:55:24 PM  
1 vote:
Fark.com: Zooey Deschanel launches new website. Before all you hipster fanboys nergasm, it's not what you were hoping for

Tatsuma: I thought this might actually be a cool thing, I figured 'hey those supposedly intelligent and independent women might have great things to say about entertainment! I'm actually the kind of guy who could appreciate such a website.'

Then I read those articles and... for fark's sake. Is this what intelligent and independent women are supposed to be like? Because I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference with the stupid vapid ones.

Reviewing Glee and you say 'one thing that stood out for me this episode... hair'

... intelligent and independent women don't care about plot narrative, character development, arcs, continuity, they care about farking hair and shoes?

for fark's sake.



STOP THE HATE

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2013-04-22 01:54:29 PM  
1 vote:

StaleCoffee: Theaetetus: StaleCoffee: JohnBigBootay: StaleCoffee: Then what was the point of trotting it out at all? He says it doesn't pardon the actions but helps to understand "why" but understanding the "why" there because of the brain failing to reach full maturity implies a lack of reasoning ability somehow. Otherwise understanding the "why" would follow the same causal pattern of anyone else, which makes the whole "brain not fully developed at 19" utterly irrelevant.

Maybe he's just making the point that younger people are mores susceptible to suggestion. I have no idea.

So you're guessing at his point and have no real idea, but I'm the one who is at fault because rather than inject my own assumptions into a confusing jumble of irrelevant data I called it out in question? Okay then.

Even if that is the point, still, so what? Does that mean because he's young and stupid we should view what he did in a different perspective?

How does that still somehow not imply his age shouldn't be taken into consideration when it comes to responsibility for his actions?

Because another valid explanation is not "let's treat them lightly" but "let's figure out the various factors that led to this, such that we can profile and find other potential bombers ahead of time."
Ignoring the kid's age out of some righteous sense of anger just impairs your own ability to prevent this type of thing.

Yeah, okay. Lets go profile teenage muslims, that will help.


Yes, and let's work on getting them better educations, branching out their worldview beyond religious fundamentalism, removing things that isolate them or lead them to join extremist groups, and countering people who try to whip them into murderous rages.

Or we could do it your way and ignore them until they kill people, 'cause that'll help.
2013-04-22 01:33:33 PM  
1 vote:

Firethorn: Nana's Vibrator: I'd be certain there are enough photgraphs, videos, and witnesses to every event  that, even without a confession, a fair trial should be simple and therefore should not require any shortcuts or rule bending.

/how do you tell a guy who can't speak that he has the right to remain silent?  It almost sounds like a mean joke.

Given my experience, the photographs and videos are more damning than an outright confession.  Far too many people have been pressured into making a fake one.

For the 'right to remain silent', it's a 'right not to communicate', whether that's by speech, written statement, sign language, or even tapping.

Personally, I wanted both of them to be caught alive, for the evidence value alone - I want the contacts that encouraged the older brother to embark on this course arrested and prosecuted as well.  Or shot by the Russians...


Its all a Russian setup, Pooty already poisoned those that needed it.
2013-04-22 01:06:57 PM  
1 vote:
This thread is worse than rape.

No mercy for the bombers.
2013-04-22 01:02:14 PM  
1 vote:

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


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2013-04-22 12:59:35 PM  
1 vote:

Tatsuma: No, the Boston PD said they were unrelated, the robbery was by a lone white male, 5'11" 200 pounds wearing all black from the waist up with some kind of head covering


Imagine how that robber must feel.
i.imgur.com
2013-04-22 12:58:32 PM  
1 vote:
Mike: In thirteen years with the bureau I've discovered that there's no amount of money, man-power or knowledge that can equal the person you're looking for being stupid.Bartlet: God, well, some of the stupidest criminals in the world are working right here in America. I've always been very proud of that.
2013-04-22 12:56:49 PM  
1 vote:

bhcompy: Sure, he can use the excuse. It's an affirmative defense and it doesn't pardon his crimes, only lessens the blame from 50/50 to <50, just like any coercion. Proving an affirmative defense can be a difficult thing, and it's just an excuse until he proves it.

And, scientifically, 19 year old brains are still developing and hormones of that age interfere with thought processes(a big reason why very young adult males make ideal soldiers). Again, this doesn't pardon the actions and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but it contributes to the decision making processes and helps with understanding of the "why" so that we can do whatever we can to try and prevent these things from happening in the future.


Poor boy, let's just give him a couple of years in prison and then rehabilitate him, because clearly SCIENCE says he never would have done that if he had only live to grow and become 26 year o-
2013-04-22 12:54:57 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: All I'm finding is that they had planned to carry out more attacks, which would go in line with them returning to everyday activities so as not to look suspicious. You can't really conduct more planned attacks when there's a nationwide manhunt and everyone knows exactly what you look like.

They had no idea that there were so many cameras watching them and it all fell to shiat the second it went national.


Here's how they basically wanted it to come down, all the way in terms of code.

[1] if bombing goes well then
verify if police unto us
if positive goto 4 if negative goto 2
[2] return to normal life then
plan a new bombing then goto 1
[3] if cover is blown
go out in a blaze of glory goto 4
[4] VIRGINS
bone them
2013-04-22 12:52:38 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: Tatsuma: not everyone deserves mercy.

Actually according the some religions, everyone does.


Are you telling me the god of Abraham and Tatsuma believes in mercy?
2013-04-22 12:48:19 PM  
1 vote:

He_Hate_Me: SirGunslinger: I'm just thankful they took their bombing lessons from the Taliban as opposed to the IRA otherwise it could have been a lot worse.

The IRA would frequently call up a location they were about to bomb so that innocent civilians could be evacuated.


Aaah, good old days
2013-04-22 12:43:31 PM  
1 vote:

Nana's Vibrator: I'd be certain there are enough photgraphs, videos, and witnesses to every event  that, even without a confession, a fair trial should be simple and therefore should not require any shortcuts or rule bending.

/how do you tell a guy who can't speak that he has the right to remain silent?  It almost sounds like a mean joke.


Given my experience, the photographs and videos are more damning than an outright confession.  Far too many people have been pressured into making a fake one.

For the 'right to remain silent', it's a 'right not to communicate', whether that's by speech, written statement, sign language, or even tapping.

Personally, I wanted both of them to be caught alive, for the evidence value alone - I want the contacts that encouraged the older brother to embark on this course arrested and prosecuted as well.  Or shot by the Russians...
2013-04-22 12:41:30 PM  
1 vote:

Tatsuma: not everyone deserves mercy.


Actually according the some religions, everyone does.
2013-04-22 12:38:49 PM  
1 vote:

Voiceofreason01: doglover:
I'm not a killer. Those "kids" on the other hand put a shrapnel bomb next to a child in a crowd at a public event then shot at cops and killed each-other. They're very much bloodthirsty killers, to the tee.

So maybe we should hold the one still alive without trial so that he can be beaten by the police and sexually assaulted in jail. Which is what a lot of people(even some who should know better) have been suggesting. Sounds like justice to me. Something terrible happened and this kid should face the consequences but we also need to respect his rights and give him a fair trial. Seeking revenge in this situation is NOT OK.


He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.
2013-04-22 12:35:52 PM  
1 vote:

Carlip: That seems a bit superfluous.


No, it's superfluously redundant in a repetitive way.
2013-04-22 12:33:29 PM  
1 vote:
It's too bad, they could have played for the NFL football league
2013-04-22 12:32:07 PM  
1 vote:
The problem is the carrot that they falsely dangle in front of these kids. 72 Virigns in Paradise.

What they don't know is that it is actually a mistranslation and all they are going to get is 72 Versions of Parrot Ice. Now i like a good fozen drink as much as the next guy, but i'm not gonna kid anyone for the stuff.
2013-04-22 12:29:00 PM  
1 vote:
I sure hope that if I ever get kidnapped/carjacked that the perp didn't read this article.
2013-04-22 12:24:31 PM  
1 vote:

MBK: A while back, I said I had sympathy for teenage criminals.  Like somehow, somewhere they were failed in life.  They made one mistake, and it will ruin the rest of their lives.

I'm a typical bleeding heart liberal.  I get sad when sympathetic criminals on Law and Order get put away, and those are just fictional characters.

That being said, I have no sympathy for these guys.  They put a bomb in a crowded area and people died.  They weren't playing with a gun and it went off, they weren't selling drugs to feed their family, they did this for no reason other than to harm innocent people.  They get no sympathy from me.

However:

Give him a fair trial.  Show the rest of the world that no matter how evil you are, you are not greater than the system.


I'd be certain there are enough photgraphs, videos, and witnesses to every event  that, even without a confession, a fair trial should be simple and therefore should not require any shortcuts or rule bending.

/how do you tell a guy who can't speak that he has the right to remain silent?  It almost sounds like a mean joke.
2013-04-22 12:23:50 PM  
1 vote:
Well, it's not like one of them was Anton Chighur.
2013-04-22 11:34:54 AM  
1 vote:
www.biography.com

John Adams frowns on our shenanigans.
2013-04-22 11:28:00 AM  
1 vote:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If convicted THEN hang him by his feet in the Common and auction off baseball bats to benefit the victims and put it all on Pay-Per-View.


Why waste bats, just give them nails and explosives
/Almost like they did with Osama
2013-04-22 11:17:27 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-04-22 11:16:17 AM  
1 vote:
I think the fact that they committed a terrorist bombing on a street packed solid with security cameras of all kinds and apparently had no exit strategy whatsoever sums up their cunning criminal minds.  If being rock stupid was a defense the jails would be very empty.

This is the city where John Adams defended the British soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre. Give this moron a fair trial with a vigorous defense. If convicted THEN hang him by his feet in the Common and auction off baseball bats to benefit the victims and put it all on Pay-Per-View.
2013-04-22 11:14:12 AM  
1 vote:

MBK: Give him a fair trial. Show the rest of the world that no matter how evil you are, you are not greater than the system.


This more than anything. We in the US like to stand on our principles and talk from our moral soap box. So we need to practice what we preach and give this man every legal right we have.

Then if convicted, he should be sent to a federal prison and be made to make big rocks into small rocks for the rest of his life
 
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