Evil Mackerel: MBK:Give him a fair trial. Show the rest of the world that no matter how evil you are, you are not greater than the system.They arrested Dick Cheney?
NutWrench: It was the only good thing they did that day.
serial_crusher: The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.I guess it's ok to call it a "pin number" if you don't capitalize it?
I_C_Weener: Go back and watch the entire Terminator series. In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to. This is like that. And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.
Voiceofreason01: you sounds scared. Better kill that scary brown kid quick.
Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as./I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful
Theaetetus: I never said a cat grows into a wolf. This is fact. You are factually wrong by trying to claim I'm factually wrong. Also, that's a bullshiat argument and you know it.Are there feral cats? Absolutely. Can you adopt a stray kitten and domesticate it? Absolutely. Therefore, contrary to your earlier statement "The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral. That's pretty solidly established scientifically,"it is not established at all.But hey, don't trust me, let's look at Wiki:A feral organism (from Latin fera, "a wild beast") is a domesticated species that has reverted to living in the wild..The cat returns readily to a feral state if it has not been socialized properly in its young life... A local population of feral cats living in an urban area and using a common food source is sometimes called a feral cat colony. As feral cats multiply quickly, it is difficult to control their populations. Animal shelters attempt to adopt out feral cats, especially kittens, but often are overwhelmed with sheer numbers and euthanasia is used.It appears to be pretty solidly established that being feral is a condition that an animal may go into or out of, rather than being an inherent part of its nature.
Theaetetus: Frankly, you should stop relying on fiction as the source of your "science". Although wolves are much tougher to train than dogs, they are trainable.Also, see above regarding the definition of "feral". It's not an inherent trait, like "white" or "furry", it's a status.Furthermore, this all has nothing to do with the substantive argument: Hitler was not inherently evil. A proto-Hitler baby is not destined to become Hitler. You judge Hitler based on his actions, not based on what he will become,as the Talmudic story does.
Theaetetus: And frankly, I do think you're trolling now. You've got nothing to respond to my substantive arguments, so you're misrepresenting what I've said, calling me names, and surrounding yourself with strawmen. I think it's pretty clear that any further time spent on you is a waste.But I do hope that you'll read those wiki articles. They're quite interesting and may make you less incorrect in the future.
StaleCoffee: Theaetetus: StaleCoffee: JohnBigBootay: StaleCoffee: Then what was the point of trotting it out at all? He says it doesn't pardon the actions but helps to understand "why" but understanding the "why" there because of the brain failing to reach full maturity implies a lack of reasoning ability somehow. Otherwise understanding the "why" would follow the same causal pattern of anyone else, which makes the whole "brain not fully developed at 19" utterly irrelevant.Maybe he's just making the point that younger people are mores susceptible to suggestion. I have no idea.So you're guessing at his point and have no real idea, but I'm the one who is at fault because rather than inject my own assumptions into a confusing jumble of irrelevant data I called it out in question? Okay then.Even if that is the point, still, so what? Does that mean because he's young and stupid we should view what he did in a different perspective?How does that still somehow not imply his age shouldn't be taken into consideration when it comes to responsibility for his actions?Because another valid explanation is not "let's treat them lightly" but "let's figure out the various factors that led to this, such that we can profile and find other potential bombers ahead of time."Ignoring the kid's age out of some righteous sense of anger just impairs your own ability to prevent this type of thing.Yeah, okay. Lets go profile teenage muslims, that will help.
Firethorn: Nana's Vibrator: I'd be certain there are enough photgraphs, videos, and witnesses to every event that, even without a confession, a fair trial should be simple and therefore should not require any shortcuts or rule bending./how do you tell a guy who can't speak that he has the right to remain silent? It almost sounds like a mean joke.Given my experience, the photographs and videos are more damning than an outright confession. Far too many people have been pressured into making a fake one.For the 'right to remain silent', it's a 'right not to communicate', whether that's by speech, written statement, sign language, or even tapping.Personally, I wanted both of them to be caught alive, for the evidence value alone - I want the contacts that encouraged the older brother to embark on this course arrested and prosecuted as well. Or shot by the Russians...
Tatsuma: No, the Boston PD said they were unrelated, the robbery was by a lone white male, 5'11" 200 pounds wearing all black from the waist up with some kind of head covering
bhcompy: Sure, he can use the excuse. It's an affirmative defense and it doesn't pardon his crimes, only lessens the blame from 50/50 to <50, just like any coercion. Proving an affirmative defense can be a difficult thing, and it's just an excuse until he proves it.And, scientifically, 19 year old brains are still developing and hormones of that age interfere with thought processes(a big reason why very young adult males make ideal soldiers). Again, this doesn't pardon the actions and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but it contributes to the decision making processes and helps with understanding of the "why" so that we can do whatever we can to try and prevent these things from happening in the future.
scottydoesntknow: All I'm finding is that they had planned to carry out more attacks, which would go in line with them returning to everyday activities so as not to look suspicious. You can't really conduct more planned attacks when there's a nationwide manhunt and everyone knows exactly what you look like.They had no idea that there were so many cameras watching them and it all fell to shiat the second it went national.
 if bombing goes well thenverify if police unto usif positive goto 4 if negative goto 2 return to normal life thenplan a new bombing then goto 1 if cover is blowngo out in a blaze of glory goto 4 VIRGINSbone them
vernonFL: Tatsuma: not everyone deserves mercy.Actually according the some religions, everyone does.
He_Hate_Me: SirGunslinger: I'm just thankful they took their bombing lessons from the Taliban as opposed to the IRA otherwise it could have been a lot worse.The IRA would frequently call up a location they were about to bomb so that innocent civilians could be evacuated.
Nana's Vibrator: I'd be certain there are enough photgraphs, videos, and witnesses to every event that, even without a confession, a fair trial should be simple and therefore should not require any shortcuts or rule bending./how do you tell a guy who can't speak that he has the right to remain silent? It almost sounds like a mean joke.
Tatsuma: not everyone deserves mercy.
Voiceofreason01: doglover:I'm not a killer. Those "kids" on the other hand put a shrapnel bomb next to a child in a crowd at a public event then shot at cops and killed each-other. They're very much bloodthirsty killers, to the tee.So maybe we should hold the one still alive without trial so that he can be beaten by the police and sexually assaulted in jail. Which is what a lot of people(even some who should know better) have been suggesting. Sounds like justice to me. Something terrible happened and this kid should face the consequences but we also need to respect his rights and give him a fair trial. Seeking revenge in this situation is NOT OK.
Carlip: That seems a bit superfluous.
MBK: A while back, I said I had sympathy for teenage criminals. Like somehow, somewhere they were failed in life. They made one mistake, and it will ruin the rest of their lives.I'm a typical bleeding heart liberal. I get sad when sympathetic criminals on Law and Order get put away, and those are just fictional characters.That being said, I have no sympathy for these guys. They put a bomb in a crowded area and people died. They weren't playing with a gun and it went off, they weren't selling drugs to feed their family, they did this for no reason other than to harm innocent people. They get no sympathy from me.However:Give him a fair trial. Show the rest of the world that no matter how evil you are, you are not greater than the system.
Mr. Coffee Nerves: If convicted THEN hang him by his feet in the Common and auction off baseball bats to benefit the victims and put it all on Pay-Per-View.
MBK: Give him a fair trial. Show the rest of the world that no matter how evil you are, you are not greater than the system.
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