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(Time)   Time asks: Why did the Tsarnaevs let their carjacking victim live? Answer: Terrorists are frequently dumb, like the Palestinian bombers who forgot to account for Daylight Savings Time and blew themselves up before they could deliver the bomb   (swampland.time.com) divider line 330
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2013-04-22 03:42:51 PM  

Cythraul: ...And the scene of the cheering village people lining up as law enforcement vehicles went down the street at parade speed after the suspect's capture was a bit unsettling....


Thank God someone else felt like that.  WTF was that shiat all about?  The entire situation was sad from beginning to end.  People being blown to pieces, people dying, murder, mayhem, blood in the streets.  Is it a relief that the whole thing was over?  Sure.  Does it warrant acting like your team just won the Super World Series Masters Bowl though?

What the hell ever happened to civilized behavior or dignity?  Crack a beer, grab your boom box and head out into the street to celebrate while chanting "USA"?  That's what passes for relieved closure of an awful situation?

Unsettling is one way to describe it, I suppose.  It kind of embarrassed me for a moment to be an American.
 
2013-04-22 03:43:59 PM  

Deucednuisance: And if the idea is "we are all potential monsters" then the concept "Monster" loses all meaning.


What about you, Deucednuisance? Why didn't they target you?
 
2013-04-22 03:44:54 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Tommy Moo: He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.

Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.


It is quite interesting to me that "time-outs" count if you are on the opposite side of the law. Go on a killing spree, but the second you call a time-out, the world is supposed to forget what just transpired. No matter how much you ask someone to be unbiased, if they just witnessed you killing their friends or trying to kill them, it is not only impossible but silly for humans to do so. The only reason for the trial really is to get the "why" in these cases, not the "if" they did it.
 
2013-04-22 03:45:09 PM  

Theaetetus: I never said a cat grows into a wolf. This is fact. You are factually wrong by trying to claim I'm factually wrong. Also, that's a bullshiat argument and you know it.

Are there feral cats? Absolutely. Can you adopt a stray kitten and domesticate it? Absolutely. Therefore, contrary to your earlier statement "The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral. That's pretty solidly established scientifically,"it is not established at all.
But hey, don't trust me, let's look at Wiki:
A feral organism (from Latin fera, "a wild beast") is a domesticated species that has reverted to living in the wild..
The cat returns readily to a feral state if it has not been socialized properly in its young life... A local population of feral cats living in an urban area and using a common food source is sometimes called a feral cat colony. As feral cats multiply quickly, it is difficult to control their populations. Animal shelters attempt to adopt out feral cats, especially kittens, but often are overwhelmed with sheer numbers and euthanasia is used.
It appears to be pretty solidly established that being feral is a condition that an animal may go into or out of, rather than being an inherent part of its nature.


Oh ffs.

Okay, sorry, I used the wrong word. Wild. Wild animal. Better?

A cat is not a farking wolf. Stop farking talking about cats. Cats are domesticated animals, wolves are wild animals. My error in word usage, you still remain in error in the entire concept, but in your mission to Be Right About This, I'm sure you'll pull some other hyperbolic bullshiat out after you've lost the entire point of the statement to begin with.

Theaetetus: Frankly, you should stop relying on fiction as the source of your "science". Although wolves are much tougher to train than dogs, they are trainable.
Also, see above regarding the definition of "feral". It's not an inherent trait, like "white" or "furry", it's a status.

Furthermore, this all has nothing to do with the substantive argument: Hitler was not inherently evil. A proto-Hitler baby is not destined to become Hitler. You judge Hitler based on his actions, not based on what he will become,as the Talmudic story does.


Okay, you've got a wikipedia degree, I'm obviously in error here.

Wolves are wild, not feral. I was wrong. You're still wrong here, too.

You are still forcing this into an entirely different place than it needs to be, though I suspect now you either really are a troll or you're just an asshole.

No, Hitler wasn't evil as a baby but then the statement wouldn't apply, would it? because we wouldn't know if he was going to be cruel or not without knowledge of the future. Therefore you are still talking out of your ass. I and the story both judge him based on his actions as defined by the word "cruel" because baby Hitler as judged by anyone in the context of the time would not be judged as "cruel" whereas a wolf pup would be judged by its nature as "wild." You are dragging together multiple concepts and stripping away important context just to slam your own bullshiat in and make it fit.

I would consider Hitler cruel per his actions wrt the Holocaust, yet I cannot know if his nature would remain predestined as cruel. It is a pretty safe farking bet that it would be so, however, and eschewing mercy at that point is a very rational action. The same with not taking in a wolf pup, no matter how much you want to wave wikipedia in the air.

Lets look at it like this: some dogs, no matter how well trained and how much work is involved with them, are not safe around children. Wild wolves require significantly more training than dogs, which are domestic animals. Yet into this you're saying: WOLVES ARE OKAY LETS BRING THEM IN THE HOUSE.

You want to put in the years of intense training required to make a wolf nominally safe as a pet? Go for it. For the rest of the world that does not have the free time or energy to invest on minimal to no return, adopting a dog from a kill shelter is the more reasonable way to go. You go ahead and bring a wolf into your house though, whatever.

Theaetetus: And frankly, I do think you're trolling now. You've got nothing to respond to my substantive arguments, so you're misrepresenting what I've said, calling me names, and surrounding yourself with strawmen. I think it's pretty clear that any further time spent on you is a waste.

But I do hope that you'll read those wiki articles. They're quite interesting and may make you less incorrect in the future.


I'm calling you names because you're intentionally being an asshole about this. I haven't misrepresented anything, you've been twisting shiat so far out of context I have to unbend it just to get it back to something resembling the original conversation.
 
2013-04-22 03:49:35 PM  

craig328: Cythraul: ...And the scene of the cheering village people lining up as law enforcement vehicles went down the street at parade speed after the suspect's capture was a bit unsettling....

Thank God someone else felt like that.  WTF was that shiat all about?  The entire situation was sad from beginning to end.  People being blown to pieces, people dying, murder, mayhem, blood in the streets.  Is it a relief that the whole thing was over?  Sure.  Does it warrant acting like your team just won the Super World Series Masters Bowl though?

What the hell ever happened to civilized behavior or dignity?  Crack a beer, grab your boom box and head out into the street to celebrate while chanting "USA"?  That's what passes for relieved closure of an awful situation?

Unsettling is one way to describe it, I suppose.  It kind of embarrassed me for a moment to be an American.


Seriously? Did you cry when Bin Laden was killed also?
 
2013-04-22 03:49:53 PM  

olddinosaur: And who paid for the 6 months in Russia, not to mention the round trip ticket which is $3000+?


1.  Probably relatives, but alternatively I believe the cost of living is lower in his area of Russia, so other than the cost of the tickets(covered by family, loans, part time job, etc...), it'd probably save him money.  Plus, depending on the degree he might even be able to finagle some credits while over there.
2.  cheaptickets.com is saying ~$1.5k for a round trip ticket from Boston to Russia.
 
2013-04-22 03:50:26 PM  

craig328: What the hell ever happened to civilized behavior or dignity? Crack a beer, grab your boom box and head out into the street to celebrate while chanting "USA"? That's what passes for relieved closure of an awful situation?

Unsettling is one way to describe it, I suppose. It kind of embarrassed me for a moment to be an American.


Really? Grateful citizens cheering the law enforcement and first responders who safely apprehended the bomber bothered you?
 
2013-04-22 03:51:32 PM  

olddinosaur: That accounts for about 10% of his income, now what does he do for books, meals, rent, auto expense and pocket money?

And who paid for the 6 months in Russia, not to mention the round trip ticket which is $3000+?


You have a point, but it's microscopic. One could say the same thing about virtually all college students and the answer is almost always student loans and family, not the farking taliban.
 
2013-04-22 03:52:54 PM  

Theaetetus: But I do hope that you'll read those wiki articles. They're quite interesting and may make you less incorrect in the future.


Also, in case you didn't read your own link, here's some useful information:

"As adults, wolves have been shown, most of the time, to be largely unpredictable, and will sometimes display aggressive behaviour toward small animals and children. Pure wolves can never be fully trusted with children because, unlike dogs, they lack any alteration of their predatory behavior."
 
2013-04-22 03:55:13 PM  

Tatsuma: So you agree that, in fact, not everyone deserves mercy?


I can't tell if you're just missing the point or doing it on purpose.  You're certainly going off on a tangent about stuff I didn't say.  And...

Still not gonna parse the sentence, are ya?

Just askin', because you've sure written a lot of words without addressing my initial point.

Are you ever wrong?  Mistaken?  Ever?
 
2013-04-22 04:00:25 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What about you, Deucednuisance? Why didn't they target you?


I'm the town vagrant, and don't have a house for the lights to be switched on and off?
 
2013-04-22 04:22:58 PM  

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful
...
The point I was getting at is that even if they were evil bloodthirsty killers they would still deserve a just and fair trial as well as a basic level of respect as human beings while the one kid is being held.


When they planned, prepared for, and committed these crimes, they were adults. Old enough to drive, vote, serve in the military, serve on a jury. They weren't "kids", however confused and/or angry they might or might not have been.
 
2013-04-22 04:25:15 PM  
Time apparently still thinks that human beings are thinking clearly while committing crimes. How long have they been in business? Are they tired of hiring people born yesterday?
 
2013-04-22 04:44:12 PM  

vernonFL: [www.biography.com image 616x418]

John Adams frowns on our shenanigans.


PERFECTION!
 
2013-04-22 05:11:44 PM  

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
 
2013-04-22 05:34:47 PM  
Wow, who would have thought the thread I put Tats on ignore with would be one where I agree with him almost 100%. An insufferable prick is even worse when they take my side.
 
2013-04-22 05:50:49 PM  

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.


¿Porque no los dos?
 
2013-04-22 06:19:24 PM  

asmodeus224: Ed Grubermann: Incidentally, the above story also condones killing babies since they may turn out to be Hitler.

I like to play the 'would you go back in time to kill hitler?' game with these caveats....

1- you could only go back for a period of time lasting 30 seconds to achieve his death

2 - You would be teleported directly into 7-day old baby hitler's nursery with nothing but your bare hands or whatever is in the nursery to work with, and nursery's are notoriously not full of implements of death...you see where this is going...you now have 30 seconds to tear the baby hitler apart limb from limb or break the 7 day old baby's neck...go!


Fun,  but I think you should up the ante.  You are transported into a nursery with 5 babies - you have no idea which one is Adolf.  If you intend to do this, you'll have to kill them all.  Oh, I guess you could bump the time up to 60 seconds.
 
2013-04-22 06:29:49 PM  

jesus_is_dead: Fun, but I think you should up the ante. You are transported into a nursery with 5 babies - you have no idea which one is Adolf.


Easy. It's the baby who looks half jewish.
 
2013-04-22 06:38:51 PM  

Tokin42: Maybe Time magazine should have asked the carjacking victim.  NBC (Pete Williams) says he told them the killers said they wouldn't kill him because he "wasn't American".


I guess LingZi Lu didn't get that memo then.
 
2013-04-22 06:46:38 PM  
You mean the fact that they went to a store and the guy took that opportunity to run?
 
2013-04-22 06:57:43 PM  

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


www.flightglobal.com
 
2013-04-22 07:29:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Meh, don't give him an audience. I'd rather him be given life in prison with no contact or communication to the outside world. Let everything about him fade away to nothing more than a footnote in history. They wanted attention, the best thing would be to deny him that.


Ever heard of 'be careful what you wish for'?

They wanted attention, they'll get attention - just not the kind they dreamed of. He can fade away to a footnote and still be on camera. Imagine the Truman Show only with absolutely nothing interesting going on. Now imagine being a batshiat imam trying to recruit young stupid males to the cause, when even they will have seen what horrors the Great Satan has in store for them - mediocre food, lousy TV, a couple hours of boring exercises, prayers, whatever...tedium.
 
2013-04-22 08:10:03 PM  
Locally, we had a person place a pipe bomb on top of a gas meter.When the bomb didn't go off when the timer hit zero, she went to see what the problem was.She found the batteries were in backwards and corrected that issue.Unfortunately (for her) when she turned the batteries around she had forgot to reset the timer.As soon as the batteries were put in correctly it went boom on her lap.She also doesn't have any hands left to try again.
 
2013-04-22 08:48:08 PM  

BitwiseShift: How a Stupid Mistake Led Police Straight to the Boston Terrorists

So what police force would a smart mistake lead to?


All mistakes are stupid. Otherwise it's called an idea.
 
2013-04-22 09:01:15 PM  
There are many questions including the one in headline.

I am also curious about the supposed shootout preceding suspect#2 arrest.  It doesnt make sense if he was trying to commit suicide as alleged; in that he was not shot.

I think there are many discrepancies in the reporting and story.
 
2013-04-22 09:42:44 PM  
All these comments, and not a single one pointing out that Subby misspelled "Daylight Saving Time" while mocking Terrorists for being dumb.  I am disappoint.
 
2013-04-23 12:33:24 AM  

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-04-23 12:58:49 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: I'll buy this.

Consider that the bombs went off at 2:50. If they thought the race was going to start at 12 noon, they would have expected the premiere racers to come through, hence more of a crowd and a splash.


Not that I have any inside info, but I've wondered if the bombers looked at last year's average times & thought they would apply this year. Usually the bulk of runners (opposed to wheelchair & elite competitors) are released from Hopkinton between 10:10 and 10:40am. Last year the average time of completion was 4 hours 18 mins. This was atypical because last year was freakin' hot (temps in the mid-to-upper 80s) and running times were much slower than usual. Normally, the average time of completion is around 3 hours 50 mins.

If these 2 chuckleheads had set things off 30 mins. earlier, there would have been a lot more runners & a lot more spectators/family & friends waiting for their peeps to cross the finish line. Thank goodness they didn't. farkers.
 
2013-04-23 02:53:18 PM  

He_Hate_Me: SirGunslinger: I'm just thankful they took their bombing lessons from the Taliban as opposed to the IRA otherwise it could have been a lot worse.

The IRA would frequently call up a location they were about to bomb so that innocent civilians could be evacuated.


And then they would explode the bomb in the trash can outside just as the civilians were being led past it.  I lived in London at the height of the bombings and remember it well.  The IRA were not some noble bunch of freedom fighters worthy of praise; they were and are no different from any other terrorist.
 
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