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(Time)   Time asks: Why did the Tsarnaevs let their carjacking victim live? Answer: Terrorists are frequently dumb, like the Palestinian bombers who forgot to account for Daylight Savings Time and blew themselves up before they could deliver the bomb   (swampland.time.com ) divider line
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2013-04-22 02:19:53 PM  

StaleCoffee: Theaetetus: Ah, but what about Androcles and the lion? We can't know that the proverbial lion or wolf pup is evil until it does an evil act, just like the baby Hitler. In other words, the Talmudic saying only makes sense if evil is predestined and apparent... by way of one's parents.

Only, the thing is, science will go to the mat on the whole "raising a feral wolf pup will get you a feral wolf that wants to kill you" thing too. So you're over-complicating this for the sake of idealism.


I don't believe science has ever taken the position that people are predestined to do evil. And even if you start talking about fate with the quantum physicists, none of them would say that it's  apparent.

Theaetetus: But the story has a wolf pup. If the story were about the farmer finding a full grown wolf, with fresh sheep blood on his pelt, caught in a trap and freeing it, you'd be right. But that's not the story. Instead, it's saying that if your parents are evil, then you're predestined to do evil, so we should stamp out the bloodline of anyone who does evil, including babies.

Again, the operative word here is wolf. Not pup. It's already defined its nature, as would an adult Hitler. The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral. That's pretty solidly established scientifically.

...
said no one who ever brought in a stray kitten, ever.
Additionally, this doesn't apply here - Hitler was a human. He was defined by his nature as a proto-Hitler, he was defined by his  actions. You judge Hitler because of what he  has done, while you're judging the wolf pup because of what it  will be. That's why the story does not apply to a Hitler who  has acted, but only a baby Hitler, still in his cradle.

Theaetetus: Yes, and let's work on getting them better educations, branching out their worldview beyond religious fundamentalism, removing things that isolate them or lead them to join extremist groups, and countering people who try to whip them into murderous rages.

Or we could do it your way and ignore them until they kill people, 'cause that'll help.

Because we do such a wonderful job of that with our homegrown fundies I have complete and total faith that we can educate the foreign crazies!


So you say it's better to just not try and wait until a bunch of people are killed. Frankly, I believe that's wrong, and by definition will lead to more deaths.
... Not to mention the fact that we don't do it at all with our homegrown fundies.

Look, you're just trying to find shiat to argue about. I don't want to ignore that shiat, but I don't want to chase chimeras either.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm "just trying to find shiat to argue about". If so, then I'd just say "durr, your wrong" or "you're just trying to find shiat to argue about." Instead, I'm supporting my arguments substantively, and if you disagree with them, by all means go ahead. But if you can't, don't just try to claim that I'm trolling or something. That's just a cop out.
 
2013-04-22 02:20:06 PM  
Go back and watch the entire Terminator series.  In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to.  This is like that.  And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.
 
2013-04-22 02:21:53 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: No, the real monsters aren't misunderstood by the world, they misunderstand the world themselves*


A fine argument, if I were arguing that there are no monsters in Real Life, but I wasn't.

I was confining myself to the Twilight Zone episode, in which there are no monsters.

Cheers!

Theaetetus: His statement was meant to say that there are no* pure evil killers


Thanks for a cogent argument.

But I really was just geeking out on the episode, not making any pronouncement about reality.

I'll try to be more clear in the future.
 
2013-04-22 02:23:24 PM  

StaleCoffee: Then I'm with you, lets stop arguing and drop the "He was 19" thing and get back to agreeing that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


Are 19 year olds more likely to commit acts of terrorism than, say, 69 year olds? If so, we ignore it at our own peril.
 
2013-04-22 02:23:24 PM  

StaleCoffee: Then I'm with you, lets stop arguing and drop the "He was 19" thing and get back to agreeing that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


Absolutely. He should be. Now I should disclose that I'm a pussy and that wouldn't be the death penalty for me. But ONLY because I don't want ANYONE to get the death penalty. Not even that his crimes don't 'deserve' the death penalty because if any crime deserves it, this qualifies. Just that I think that's a very dangerous power for the government to have and in my mind it has been applied somewhat ham-handedly and there's way too many corrupt/idiot/incompetent judges out there to be presiding over such a permanent measure.

/I now expect to be crucified for saying 'this kid doesn't deserve the death penalty' despite saying no such thing...

//That's fine, I'm used to it
 
2013-04-22 02:25:49 PM  

I_C_Weener: Go back and watch the entire Terminator series.  In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to.  This is like that.  And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.


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2013-04-22 02:25:50 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Absolutely. He should be. Now I should disclose that I'm a pussy and that wouldn't be the death penalty for me. But ONLY because I don't want ANYONE to get the death penalty.


So you don't think this kid deserves the death penalty? What the fark is wrong with you
 
2013-04-22 02:27:19 PM  

Tatsuma: Deucednuisance: Where on earth would you get the idea that I wrote anything that remotely suggested such a thing?

Deucednuisance: The only mercy that actually IS mercy is that which is extended to the undeserving. That's kind of what makes "mercy" merciful, yanno?


So, that means that I, personally, would pardon Hitler.

Oh-kay.

Still not gonna parse that sentence for us, are ya?
 
2013-04-22 02:28:28 PM  

Tatsuma: JohnBigBootay: Absolutely. He should be. Now I should disclose that I'm a pussy and that wouldn't be the death penalty for me. But ONLY because I don't want ANYONE to get the death penalty.

So you don't think this kid deserves the death penalty? What the fark is wrong with you


Nice strawman, Tats.
 
2013-04-22 02:31:29 PM  

Tatsuma: So you don't think this kid deserves the death penalty? What the fark is wrong with you


I literally would not have given Ted Bundy the death penalty. I think I said 'why' enough in my post (what's up with you and the ignoring the rest of the post - you already told me today you would not do that again). Has nothing to do with this kid - doesn't even enter into it. I'm anti death penalty in all cases. I'm still a human being - had I been the parent of a child killed and I saw the kid on the street I'd probably have tried to murder him with my own hands. I'm just just not comfortable with having the right to mete out that punishment belong to the state, that's all.
 
2013-04-22 02:32:35 PM  

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


I see what you're trying to say (with the rest of your posts adding valuable clarification). I absolutely agree that the surviving kid needs to be afforded the full weight of due process.

But let's not downplay what happened here in the name of trying to express that. If the reports stand, these kids were murderous and clearly wanted to kill as many people as they could. Now, maybe the younger was under the thrall of the elder (although, at this point, that really is the rawest of speculation), but it doesn't alter the fact that he participated in an act of mass mayhem which didn't stop at the marathon.

I expect and want them to face justice (and it pains me that one of them evaded it through his death), but don't expect me to feel any great degree of sympathy for either of them in the meanwhile.
 
2013-04-22 02:32:52 PM  
The cynic in me says that this wasn't a mistake, nor a show of mercy. They had a finite amount of ammo. Don't waste it on the guy who we already got money from. Save it for cops. Or each other.
 
2013-04-22 02:35:04 PM  

Deucednuisance: So, that means that I, personally, would pardon Hitler.


So you agree that, in fact, not everyone deserves mercy?

JohnBigBootay:

Dude, I was joking. You said that you'd be accused of this, and then I did exactly what I did in our first interaction. I agree with your position on this for the most part.
 
2013-04-22 02:36:07 PM  
Time asks: Why did the Tsarnaevs let their carjacking victim live?

Simple answer: he was probably not american. My bet is on muslim.
Mystery (probably) solved.
 
2013-04-22 02:39:28 PM  

Theaetetus: ...said no one who ever brought in a stray kitten, ever.
Additionally, this doesn't apply here - Hitler was a human. He was defined by his nature as a proto-Hitler, he was defined by his actions. You judge Hitler because of what he has done, while you're judging the wolf pup because of what it will be. That's why the story does not apply to a Hitler who has acted, but only a baby Hitler, still in his cradle.


A cat is not a wolf. A wolf pup grows into a wolf. This is not hyperbole, it is fact. You are factually wrong. If you want to argue this point further please find me something that definitively shows a feral wolf pup will not grow into a feral wolf. Everything from farking White Fang to Evolutionary Biology will show you wrong here. You just need to stop, please. The wolf pup grows up to be a wolf that will not be safe around your chickens or babies. It applies because its nature is shown to be cruel, however helpless it may be in the moment. Could there be an exception? Sure, maybe even Hitler might have changed his mind after killing millions of people, but in the real world, betting on that leaves you with dead chickens and babies.

Theaetetus: So you say it's better to just not try and wait until a bunch of people are killed. Frankly, I believe that's wrong, and by definition will lead to more deaths.
... Not to mention the fact that we don't do it at all with our homegrown fundies.


Yeah that's totally what I was saying and not you being a complete asshole and dragging this so far off topic you can make up whatever the fark you want and throw it at the wall to see if it sticks. No, wait, that is exactly what you're doing.

How about this: his age is totally irrelevant and the anecdote is cogent. Your justifications for racial and ethnic profiling as some kind of great idea for being inclusive and educational are great for fairy tale land but when applied in reality just plain don't work well. By all means carry on thinking that handing a bunch of hillbilly cops the ability to pull over brown skinned citizens and "educate" them is a good plan right out of the gate.

Theaetetus: Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm "just trying to find shiat to argue about". If so, then I'd just say "durr, your wrong" or "you're just trying to find shiat to argue about." Instead, I'm supporting my arguments substantively, and if you disagree with them, by all means go ahead. But if you can't, don't just try to claim that I'm trolling or something. That's just a cop out.


Comparing a kitten to a wolf pup and then suggesting racial profiling is a good way to be inclusive of radical teens isn't exactly substantive support for your arguments.

I don't think you're trolling, I think you're just looking to be right without admitting your observations may have been in error, like this farking wolf thing. It's a farking wolf. It will eat your face.

Tell you what: go give me some substantive evidence that raising a feral animal will net you a cuddlywiddlepettypoo often enough that it's worth the risk and I'll re-evaluate my position on stomping Hitlers cliff hanging fingers.
 
2013-04-22 02:42:40 PM  

JohnBigBootay: StaleCoffee: Then I'm with you, lets stop arguing and drop the "He was 19" thing and get back to agreeing that he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Absolutely. He should be. Now I should disclose that I'm a pussy and that wouldn't be the death penalty for me. But ONLY because I don't want ANYONE to get the death penalty. Not even that his crimes don't 'deserve' the death penalty because if any crime deserves it, this qualifies. Just that I think that's a very dangerous power for the government to have and in my mind it has been applied somewhat ham-handedly and there's way too many corrupt/idiot/incompetent judges out there to be presiding over such a permanent measure.

/I now expect to be crucified for saying 'this kid doesn't deserve the death penalty' despite saying no such thing...

//That's fine, I'm used to it


I'm against the death penalty also, so... hey.

Though I also support required military service so I end up sitting by myself at the opinion tables.
 
2013-04-22 02:45:03 PM  

StaleCoffee: Again, the operative word here is wolf. Not pup. It's already defined its nature, as would an adult Hitler. The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral.


The scary part of that story is that it tries to be an analogy at all.  If it were only talking about wolf pups, or only talking about Hitler, it'd be different. But it isn't.

"Feral" indeed.
 
2013-04-22 02:45:43 PM  
Tommy Moo: He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.

Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.
 
2013-04-22 02:47:45 PM  

Tatsuma: Dude, I was joking. You said that you'd be accused of this, and then I did exactly what I did in our first interaction. I agree with your position on this for the most part.


You know what, as soon as I wrote that I realized it. Anyway, good one. I was asleep at the wheel. At least I had the good sense to not go with my first example for no death penalty.

/it was Hitler
 
2013-04-22 02:48:57 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.


Sooooo, you are saying we should give him a fair trial....THEN hang him?
 
2013-04-22 02:49:15 PM  

StaleCoffee: Though I also support required military service so I end up sitting by myself at the opinion tables.


All righty. I think I'd sign on for some kind of required 'national' service though I'd not stipulate it necessarily be military in nature .
 
2013-04-22 02:49:34 PM  

itazurakko: StaleCoffee: Again, the operative word here is wolf. Not pup. It's already defined its nature, as would an adult Hitler. The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral.

The scary part of that story is that it tries to be an analogy at all.  If it were only talking about wolf pups, or only talking about Hitler, it'd be different. But it isn't.

"Feral" indeed.


Yes. It was also talking about Leprechauns. I hate those farkers too.
 
2013-04-22 02:50:47 PM  

JohnBigBootay: StaleCoffee: Though I also support required military service so I end up sitting by myself at the opinion tables.

All righty. I think I'd sign on for some kind of required 'national' service though I'd not stipulate it necessarily be military in nature .


That's a topic I'd love to get lost in but entirely unrelated to the thread, unfortunately.
 
2013-04-22 02:51:37 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Tommy Moo: He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.

Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.


That pretty much sums it up. No matter how distasteful and disgusting these people are they do deserve their rights under due process. If we let the government not give him the fairest trial he can get then we will be no better than a kangaroo court and it will be a matter of time before they try to get away with more.
 
2013-04-22 02:52:35 PM  

Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: Go back and watch the entire Terminator series.  In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to.  This is like that.  And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]


I have always been curious on the origin of that meme, but I don't know what to call it to search for it. I looked for "blown away" "amazed party guy," and a few others at knowyourmeme.com, but I couldn't find it. Anyone know?
 
2013-04-22 02:53:15 PM  

Theaetetus: His statement was meant to say that there are no* pure evil killers whose motivations are so alien that we cannot comprehend them


MY point is that monsters are not monsters because the world does not understand them. They are monsters because they misunderstand the world.

Our ability to parse their twisted logic is not a requirement for their being monsters.

Theaetetus: But that doesn't mean they are automatically irrational bloodthirsty monsters. That's just a fairy tale to help people sleep better by ignoring the fact that it's men who do evil, not monsters.


Of course it is men who do these terrible things. Men who have become monsters. I don't think anyone is genuinely talking about  Pumpkinhead or Cenobites here.
 
2013-04-22 02:54:03 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Tommy Moo: He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.

Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.


Make me. Oh... wait. I guess that would take a trial, wouldn't it?

Nope. I'm here, and I vote, and there's nothing you can do about it.
 
2013-04-22 02:55:24 PM  
Fark.com: Zooey Deschanel launches new website. Before all you hipster fanboys nergasm, it's not what you were hoping for

Tatsuma: I thought this might actually be a cool thing, I figured 'hey those supposedly intelligent and independent women might have great things to say about entertainment! I'm actually the kind of guy who could appreciate such a website.'

Then I read those articles and... for fark's sake. Is this what intelligent and independent women are supposed to be like? Because I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference with the stupid vapid ones.

Reviewing Glee and you say 'one thing that stood out for me this episode... hair'

... intelligent and independent women don't care about plot narrative, character development, arcs, continuity, they care about farking hair and shoes?

for fark's sake.



STOP THE HATE

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-04-22 02:59:48 PM  

Deucednuisance: I was confining myself to the Twilight Zone episode, in which there are no monsters.


Ah. Didn't catch the Maple Street reference.

(Ironic, since I incorporated a comic book one. I think we geeked past each other.)
 
2013-04-22 03:02:28 PM  

d1zzy32: This thread is worse than rape.

No mercy for the bombers.


I don't see anyone asking for mercy. I do see people asking for justice and the rule of law. And hen there's the braying mob of blood-thirsty wolves demanding their piece of bloody meat...
 
2013-04-22 03:07:46 PM  
Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (Who'd have thought they'd lead ya)
Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.


/and that's all I have to say about Tatsuma
 
2013-04-22 03:08:28 PM  

StaleCoffee: Theaetetus: ...said no one who ever brought in a stray kitten, ever.
Additionally, this doesn't apply here - Hitler was a human. He was defined by his nature as a proto-Hitler, he was defined by his actions. You judge Hitler because of what he has done, while you're judging the wolf pup because of what it will be. That's why the story does not apply to a Hitler who has acted, but only a baby Hitler, still in his cradle.

A cat is not a wolf. A wolf pup grows into a wolf. This is not hyperbole, it is fact. You are factually wrong.


I never said a cat grows into a wolf. This is fact. You are factually wrong by trying to claim I'm factually wrong.  Also, that's a bullshiat argument and you know it.

Are there feral cats? Absolutely. Can you adopt a stray kitten and domesticate it? Absolutely. Therefore, contrary to your earlier statement "The nature of a feral animal is that it is feral. That's pretty solidly established scientifically,"it is not established at all.
But hey, don't trust me, let's look at Wiki:
A feral organism (from Latin fera, "a wild beast") is a domesticated species that has reverted to living in the wild..
The cat returns readily to a feral state if it has not been socialized properly in its young life... A local population of feral cats living in an urban area and using a common food source is sometimes called a feral cat colony. As feral cats multiply quickly, it is difficult to control their populations. Animal shelters attempt to adopt out feral cats, especially kittens, but often are overwhelmed with sheer numbers and euthanasia is used.

It appears to be pretty solidly established that being feral is a condition that an animal may go into or out of, rather than being an inherent part of its nature.

If you want to argue this point further please find me something that definitively shows a feral wolf pup will not grow into a feral wolf. Everything from farking White Fang to Evolutionary Biology will show you wrong here. You just need to stop, please.

Frankly, you should stop relying on fiction as the source of your "science". Although wolves are much tougher to train than dogs, they are trainable.
Also, see above regarding the definition of "feral". It's not an inherent trait, like "white" or "furry", it's a status.

Furthermore, this all has nothing to do with the substantive argument: Hitler was not inherently evil. A proto-Hitler baby is not destined to become Hitler. You judge Hitler based on his  actions, not based on what he  will become,as the Talmudic story does.

How about this: his age is totally irrelevant and the anecdote is cogent.

Do you have some evidence that 19 year olds do not commit murder more often than 69 year olds? I have counter evidence, if you'd like to eat some crow. But I'll wait for you to provide some justification that his age is irrelevant.

Your justifications for racial and ethnic profiling as some kind of great idea for being inclusive and educational are great for fairy tale land but when applied in reality just plain don't work well. By all means carry on thinking that handing a bunch of hillbilly cops the ability to pull over brown skinned citizens and "educate" them is a good plan right out of the gate.

[Citation needed]. As I said, we aren't currently doing this, so how exactly can you justify the statement that it doesn't work?
Also, the fact that you think that  all I'm talking about is pulling over brown skinned citizens seems to indicate that you aren't actually reading my posts and you're just trolling.

Comparing a kitten to a wolf pup and then suggesting racial profiling is a good way to be inclusive of radical teens isn't exactly substantive support for your arguments.

That was you both times: you compared a kitten to a wolf pup (while I was comparing a feral kitten to a feral cat); and you suggested racial profiling (in fact, you were the first person to mention race. I was talking about  age). The fact that you're misrepresenting your own false arguments as mine again is an indication that you're just trolling.

I don't think you're trolling, I think you're just looking to be right without admitting your observations may have been in error, like this farking wolf thing. It's a farking wolf. It will eat your face.

Tell you what: go give me some substantive evidence that raising a feral animal will net you a cuddlywiddlepettypoo often enough that it's worth the risk and I'll re-evaluate my position on stomping Hitlers cliff hanging fingers.

upload.wikimedia.org

And frankly, I do think you're trolling now. You've got nothing to respond to my substantive arguments, so you're misrepresenting what I've said, calling me names, and surrounding yourself with strawmen. I think it's pretty clear that any further time spent on you is a waste.

But I do hope that you'll read those wiki articles. They're quite interesting and may make you less incorrect in the future.
 
2013-04-22 03:09:22 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Tatsuma: hy even write that shiat in the first place if it's not to somewhat excuse him? That's why we thought it was apologia.

Like he said, maybe he just wants to understand the guy. Not sure why any of this matters all that much. I bet you two cents he thinks he's guilty and if he was on the jury he'd vote to convict. Who care what questions he has along the way - he's hardly advocating trying him as a minor or suggesting rehabilitation and release. He thinks the guy is guilty and he wonders how the fark and why he got to the place where he thought this would be a good idea and I think that's a fine question to ask.


The person should be punished for a crime if they are guilty, the law is fairly clear, but that doesn't mean that how that person got there was as black and white as Tatsuma makes it.  We can save the kids of our future from falling into the same traps by understanding why they fall into them today, and, at the same time, we save society from suffering these types of tragedies as much as possible.

Palestinians didn't start bombing Israelis because they were born Palestinians.  Saying that doesn't pardon their blame one iota, but it does provide a learning opportunity on how to prevent more of the same in the future by opening a door to reason.  It's also not pardoning blame to say that potentially others can be blamed for the underlying reasons, either.  You are responsible for your own actions, but that doesn't mean that you are the only person responsible for them, and, yes, occasionally you can be unduly influenced in to an action for one reason or another according to US law, which, again, doesn't mean you aren't responsible for the action, just not wholly responsible and that's only if an affirmative defense can be proven.
 
2013-04-22 03:09:44 PM  

Tommy Moo: Theaetetus: I_C_Weener: Go back and watch the entire Terminator series.  In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to.  This is like that.  And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.

[i.imgur.com image 300x300]

I have always been curious on the origin of that meme, but I don't know what to call it to search for it. I looked for "blown away" "amazed party guy," and a few others at knowyourmeme.com, but I couldn't find it. Anyone know?


Sudden realization guy. :)
 
2013-04-22 03:12:47 PM  

Theaetetus: Tatsuma: Deucednuisance: Well, that bit of nonsense a is splendid example of the bullshiate that proves the old saying that just because a thing is said cleverly it is not necessarily valid.

Seriously, would you care to elucidate how the conclusion follows from the premise?

It comes from the Talmud, and here's a story to illustrate it:

A farmer once came upon a baby wolf who was dying of thirst. Clearly abandoned by its mother, he decided to bring it home and nurse it back to health. His neighbor said 'You crazy! This be a wolf! He gon' kill all your sheeps!' to which the merciful farmer said 'No, tis but a baby! Shut your whore mouth' and brought it back into his pen. He nursed it up to health. A few years later, the wolf picked up an AK and shot all the sheeps'.

Seriously, there are so many situations where having mercy on people who are cruel would lead as a consequence to cruelty on those who deserve mercy. That doesn't mean that you're the one who will be doing it yourself.

Incidentally, the above story also condones killing babies since they may turn out to be Hitler.


Or Jesus.
 
2013-04-22 03:13:43 PM  

Trapper439: Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (Who'd have thought they'd lead ya)
Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

/and that's all I have to say about Tatsuma


That wasn't meant to be a compliment, btw. Kotter was an idealist loser.
 
2013-04-22 03:16:01 PM  

I_C_Weener: Go back and watch the entire Terminator series.  In every movie, the Terminator lets one person live when he/she don't have to.  This is like that.  And Terminator starts with T...just like Tsarnaev.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-22 03:16:14 PM  
I was told they let the victim live because he was not an American.

They also were heard to say: "We're the ones who bombed the Marathon," not smart!

I for one would like to know how they got those nice cars they drove, how they could afford Dartmouth tuition when neither has a job, and how they could afford 6--month trips to Russia.  No rich relatives in sight, what's the answer?
 
2013-04-22 03:18:24 PM  
I think initially they thought they got away with it undetected. I also think like with the DC Sniper, they were planning on planting bombs at other events to start a city-wide panic. It was when they saw their pictures released is when they freaked out and started making all the mistakes.
 
2013-04-22 03:18:40 PM  

Theaetetus: so we've come full circle, people!


It's the ciiiiircle of derp!
 
2013-04-22 03:20:13 PM  

olddinosaur: Dartmouth tuition


U Mass Dartmouth, not the Ivy. And every fricking article I've read on the subject mentions he was a scholarship student with good grades.
 
2013-04-22 03:21:33 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Incidentally, the above story also condones killing babies since they may turn out to be Hitler.


I like to play the 'would you go back in time to kill hitler?' game with these caveats....

1- you could only go back for a period of time lasting 30 seconds to achieve his death

2 - You would be teleported directly into 7-day old baby hitler's nursery with nothing but your bare hands or whatever is in the nursery to work with, and nursery's are notoriously not full of implements of death...you see where this is going...you now have 30 seconds to tear the baby hitler apart limb from limb or break the 7 day old baby's neck...go!
 
2013-04-22 03:22:01 PM  

CheatCommando: Theaetetus: so we've come full circle, people!

It's the ciiiiircle of derp!

And it moves us all
through politics and sports
through main and geek
till we find our place
on the Fark tabs
in the Circle
The Circle of Derp!
 
2013-04-22 03:23:32 PM  

I_C_Weener: Ed Grubermann: Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.

Sooooo, you are saying we should give him a fair trial....THEN hang him?


If he is found guilty, yes. That's how the system works.
 
2013-04-22 03:25:51 PM  

Tommy Moo: Ed Grubermann: Tommy Moo: He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.

Get the fark out of my country. Everyone, every single person, be it your dottering old grandmother or Adolph Stalin Pot Jr. deserves a fair trial. We are a nation of laws. A civilization is no better than how it treats the worst in its borders.

Make me. Oh... wait. I guess that would take a trial, wouldn't it?

Nope. I'm here, and I vote, and there's nothing you can do about it.


And you're still an un-American dimwit. And there's nothing you can do about it.
 
2013-04-22 03:26:19 PM  

asmodeus224: Ed Grubermann: Incidentally, the above story also condones killing babies since they may turn out to be Hitler.

I like to play the 'would you go back in time to kill hitler?' game with these caveats....

1- you could only go back for a period of time lasting 30 seconds to achieve his death

2 - You would be teleported directly into 7-day old baby hitler's nursery with nothing but your bare hands or whatever is in the nursery to work with, and nursery's are notoriously not full of implements of death...you see where this is going...you now have 30 seconds to tear the baby hitler apart limb from limb or break the 7 day old baby's neck...go!


You need a better imagination.
 
2013-04-22 03:27:09 PM  

Cythraul: Voiceofreason01: Cythraul: Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


Blood thirsty? Maybe not. But they are killers. They killed people. So I think the term applies here. Blood thirsty may even be appropriate here as well, as there is evidence that they were planning out several more attacks. Sounds a bit 'blood thirsty' to me.

The point I was getting at is that even if they were evil bloodthirsty killers they would still deserve a just and fair trial as well as a basic level of respect as human beings while the one kid is being held. I find the level of hate and bloodlust from many of you in these threads to be wholly inappropriate and more than a little offensive. Be better than that.

I was just being technical in my response in the use of your terminology. I think they deserve a fair trail as well. And the scene of the cheering village people lining up as law enforcement vehicles went down the street at parade speed after the suspect's capture was a bit unsettling.

But in the age of American Fear, I doubt he'll get much in the way of a fair trail. Especially if they label him an 'enemy combatant.'


I seem to recall people calling out "thank you" to the police and saying things like, "I'm so happy he was captured alive!!'

/spent more time reading comments on fark and listening to police scanner than I did watching tv.
 
2013-04-22 03:27:23 PM  

CheatCommando: olddinosaur: Dartmouth tuition

U Mass Dartmouth, not the Ivy. And every fricking article I've read on the subject mentions he was a scholarship student with good grades.


That accounts for about 10% of his income, now what does he do for books, meals, rent, auto expense and pocket money?

And who paid for the 6 months in Russia, not to mention the round trip ticket which is $3000+?
 
2013-04-22 03:29:39 PM  

Voiceofreason01: doglover:
I'm not a killer. Those "kids" on the other hand put a shrapnel bomb next to a child in a crowd at a public event then shot at cops and killed each-other. They're very much bloodthirsty killers, to the tee.

So maybe we should hold the one still alive without trial so that he can be beaten by the police and sexually assaulted in jail. Which is what a lot of people(even some who should know better) have been suggesting. Sounds like justice to me. Something terrible happened and this kid should face the consequences but we also need to respect his rights and give him a fair trial. Seeking revenge in this situation is NOT OK.


i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 03:31:30 PM  
I asked this question first, and it's not just the carjacking victim it's the convenience store employees and customers too. I think they had a specific target they were trying to take out at the race, why else use cell phones to detonate instead of timers? So that they could set them off when their target was near.
 
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