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(Time)   Time asks: Why did the Tsarnaevs let their carjacking victim live? Answer: Terrorists are frequently dumb, like the Palestinian bombers who forgot to account for Daylight Savings Time and blew themselves up before they could deliver the bomb   (swampland.time.com) divider line 330
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2013-04-22 12:25:27 PM

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: I wonder why they killed the campus cop. Seems kinda random and it ruined any chance they had for a getaway.


It was random. They were robbing a convenience store for money, happened to see the cop, believed he was calling in back-up, and shot him to keep him from calling in back up.
 
2013-04-22 12:26:17 PM

serial_crusher: The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.

I guess it's ok to call it a "pin number" if you don't capitalize it?


Everyone knows you need the PIN Number to use the ATM Machine.
 
2013-04-22 12:26:41 PM
Lets not be quick to judge, we did that already and it cost a lot of lives in a far away land.  Though these things are abhorrent, lets find out why this happened and try to remedy that.  It would be wiser to prevent the tumor from forming than cutting out the tumor when its too late.
 
2013-04-22 12:27:10 PM

SirGunslinger: I'm just thankful they took their bombing lessons from the Taliban as opposed to the IRA otherwise it could have been a lot worse.


The IRA would frequently call up a location they were about to bomb so that innocent civilians could be evacuated.
 
2013-04-22 12:27:10 PM

Tatsuma: Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

When you look at an 8 year old child, smile, and then put down a bomb next to him, you stop being a 'confused and angry kid'.

When the bomb blew up, and that child lay dead, his sister hurt beside him, his mother on the ground unresponsive and people with lost limbs all over, he just stared and looked at the damage before running away. When you do that, you stop being a 'confused and angry kid'.

When he came back home, he mocked the victims of the bombing on twitter, the next day he showed up to class very chipper, he went to the gym and to a party. When you do that after the crimes you did, you stop being a 'confused and angry kid'.

After having a few days of fun, they walked to a cop and killed him in cold blood. After carjacking someone,  holding him hostage and taking his cash. Then they engaged in a firefight with coppers and he drove over his brother trying to get away. When you do that after the all the crimes you've done so far, you stop being 'a confused and angry kid'


Stop acting like they are farking victims in all this, people.


very well put. when i read voiceofreason's comment i figured it was just a troll.
 
2013-04-22 12:27:13 PM
The My Little Pony Killer: "Why are we a-okay with giving these douchebags the fame we don't even want to afford the theater killer?"

Because Fark is nothing if not inconsistent?
 
2013-04-22 12:27:23 PM

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: I wonder why they killed the campus cop. Seems kinda random and it ruined any chance they had for a getaway.


Probably because higher res photos were already in circulation, and the cop may have recognized the kids.
 
2013-04-22 12:28:17 PM

serial_crusher: The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.

I guess it's ok to call it a "pin number" if you don't capitalize it?


I don't mind the repetition for PIN number.  It's such a common word with many other meaning you have to give it some context to clue others into what you're talking about.
 
2013-04-22 12:28:33 PM

Tatsuma: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: I wonder why they killed the campus cop. Seems kinda random and it ruined any chance they had for a getaway.

They didn't want a getaway, they wanted to kill as many as they could before they died.


What do you mean they didn't want a getaway? The younger one farking attended school the next day. Their plan was to back to their life like nothing had happened to not give any suspicion. The second those pictures hit the net they knew it was over and that's what kickstarted them trying to get the fark outta dodge.
 
2013-04-22 12:28:38 PM

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


The 19 year old can use this excuse, also the "following his older brother/mentor" excuse.  The 26 year old man cannot.  By 26 I was a father and well into my career, being responsible for my own actions and paying my taxes on time and such.

Voiceofreason01: So maybe we should hold the one still alive without trial so that he can be beaten by the police and sexually assaulted in jail. Which is what a lot of people(even some who should know better) have been suggesting. Sounds like justice to me. Something terrible happened and this kid should face the consequences but we also need to respect his rights and give him a fair trial. Seeking revenge in this situation is NOT OK.


I also agree with this, which is a completely unrelated point to your first one.
 
2013-04-22 12:29:00 PM
I sure hope that if I ever get kidnapped/carjacked that the perp didn't read this article.
 
2013-04-22 12:29:02 PM
Dzhokar is 19, legally he's an adult.
 
2013-04-22 12:29:07 PM

Tatsuma: They didn't want a getaway, they wanted to kill as many as they could before they died.


Naw. Now it could be that they planned some suicide thing down the road, but this wasn't it, they got interrupted. Obviously they planned on killing a lot of people but older brother didn't get all suicidey until he had no way out and little brother never did. And they did in fact get a away for several days.
 
2013-04-22 12:29:12 PM

serial_crusher: The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.

I guess it's ok to call it a "pin number" if you don't capitalize it?



Besides being redundant:

The brothers would have needed his ATM Personal Identification Number number to access the cash.
 
2013-04-22 12:29:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: It was random. They were robbing a convenience store for money,


No they weren't. They went to the convenience store and soon afterwards someone unrelated robbed it. It wasn't them.
 
2013-04-22 12:30:45 PM
There are carjackings  and robberies every day that result in a death. These incidents usually get mentioned on the local news and are little known outside of the town they happened in and are soon forgotten.

If the goal is to terrorize or draw attention to an issue, a bombing death is worth many times a carjacking death. The bombers likely didn't have hatred for the specific people who were killed or injured but a hatred for society in general. Those harmed by the bombing  were a means to an end to harm society as a whole. Shooting someone whose car you've hijacked doesn't accomplish that goal.
 
2013-04-22 12:31:00 PM

Tatsuma: scottydoesntknow: It was random. They were robbing a convenience store for money,

No they weren't. They went to the convenience store and soon afterwards someone unrelated robbed it. It wasn't them.


Ok, but they only killed the cop because they thought he had spotted them, they weren't just indiscriminately killing at that point.

Otherwise, why did they let the carjacking victim in the story live?
 
2013-04-22 12:31:24 PM
"The Tsarnaev brothers were competent enough to kill at least four people."

You do not have to be competent at anything to kill people.
 
2013-04-22 12:32:07 PM
The problem is the carrot that they falsely dangle in front of these kids. 72 Virigns in Paradise.

What they don't know is that it is actually a mistranslation and all they are going to get is 72 Versions of Parrot Ice. Now i like a good fozen drink as much as the next guy, but i'm not gonna kid anyone for the stuff.
 
2013-04-22 12:32:45 PM

scottydoesntknow: What do you mean they didn't want a getaway? The younger one farking attended school the next day. Their plan was to back to their life like nothing had happened to not give any suspicion. The second those pictures hit the net they knew it was over and that's what kickstarted them trying to get the fark outta dodge.


No, the FBI already said that they knew that they were going to get caught, and had prepared themselves with several hand (homemade)grenades and other explosives to be ready for when the heat would come down on them. They had no plans of coming out of this alive, in jail or not.

bhcompy: The 19 year old can use this excuse, also the "following his older brother/mentor" excuse.


No he can't. Read the post I wrote about this.

JohnBigBootay: Naw. Now it could be that they planned some suicide thing down the road, but this wasn't it, they got interrupted. Obviously they planned on killing a lot of people but older brother didn't get all suicidey until he had no way out and little brother never did. And they did in fact get a away for several days.


I didn't say they couldn't wait to die, they had planned on multiple other bombings along the way, but they knew they'd eventually die from this. It's not that they did this and would return to normal life and live out to be 80 in the suburbs.

They were going to kill until they were confronted and then would go out in a blaze of glory
 
2013-04-22 12:33:12 PM
Their victim was carjacking?
 
2013-04-22 12:33:29 PM
It's too bad, they could have played for the NFL football league
 
2013-04-22 12:34:14 PM

jaybeezey: The problem is the carrot that they falsely dangle in front of these kids. 72 Virigns in Paradise.

What they don't know is that it is actually a mistranslation and all they are going to get is 72 Versions of Parrot Ice. Now i like a good fozen drink as much as the next guy, but i'm not gonna kid anyone for the stuff.


Ok so you would kid 'em, but would you tease 'em or maybe josh 'em?
 
2013-04-22 12:34:16 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ok, but they only killed the cop because they thought he had spotted them, they weren't just indiscriminately killing at that point.


Except that we can see that they walked up to him in his car, and shot him in cold blood. He had no idea who they were.

Otherwise, why did they let the carjacking victim in the story live?

Because 'he wasn't American'. They wanted to kill Americans and in their minds it was justified. The guy they carjacked was not, therefore THAT would have been murder.

Remember, Tamerlan quit boxing because he said 'A Muslim should not punch a man in the face'. Then he set off bombs in public places.
 
2013-04-22 12:34:51 PM

Tokin42: Maybe Time magazine should have asked the carjacking victim.  NBC (Pete Williams) says he told them the killers said they wouldn't kill him because he "wasn't American".


And he doesn't want to be identified, probably because he doesn't want to meet the monsters from Maple Street.
 
2013-04-22 12:35:24 PM

Tatsuma: Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

When you look at an 8 year old child, smile, and then put down a bomb next to him, you stop being a 'confused and angry kid'.

When the bomb blew up, and that child lay dead, his sister hurt beside him, his mother on the ground unresponsive and people with lost limbs all over, he just stared and looked at the damage before running away. When you do that, you stop being a 'confused and angry kid'.

When he came back home, he mocked the victims of the bombing on twitter, the next day he showed up to class very chipper, he went to the gym and to a party. When you do that after the crimes you did, you stop being a 'confused and angry kid'.

After having a few days of fun, they walked to a cop and killed him in cold blood. After carjacking someone,  holding him hostage and taking his cash. Then they engaged in a firefight with coppers and he drove over his brother trying to get away. When you do that after the all the crimes you've done so far, you stop being 'a confused and angry kid'



If I start an Israel thread how long will it take you to start calling for the deaths of Palestinians?

/in a civilized world there is never a reason not to err on the side of mercy.
 
2013-04-22 12:35:31 PM
Dorner let the two people live who id'd him which was his downfall
 
2013-04-22 12:35:45 PM

PapaChester: "The Tsarnaev brothers were competent enough to kill at least four people."

You do not have to be competent at anything to kill people.


Actually if you look at most mass shootings, you clearly have to have a degree of competency and planning in order to kill people.

Take the serial stabber at Lone Star college who wanted to kill as many people as he can. He brought a knife, the blade broke and then he ran away because he didn't even have a backup weapon. Didn't even think about that.
 
2013-04-22 12:35:52 PM

Carlip: That seems a bit superfluous.


No, it's superfluously redundant in a repetitive way.
 
2013-04-22 12:36:28 PM

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


F*ck you. These pieces of shiat blew up an 8 year old. F*ck you. I'll say it again: F*CK YOU.
 
2013-04-22 12:37:31 PM

Voiceofreason01: If I start an Israel thread how long will it take you to start calling for the deaths of Palestinians?


So when someone calls your post for being simply wrong, you decide doubling down on idiocy is the way to go? Good job, champ.

Voiceofreason01: /in a civilized world there is never a reason not to err on the side of mercy.


He who is merciful to the cruel will one day be cruel to those who deserve mercy.


Everyone is deserving of fair and equal treatment under the law, not everyone deserves mercy.
 
2013-04-22 12:37:44 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I think the fact that they committed a terrorist bombing on a street packed solid with security cameras of all kinds and apparently had no exit strategy whatsoever sums up their cunning criminal minds.  If being rock stupid was a defense the jails would be very empty.

This is the city where John Adams defended the British soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre. Give this moron a fair trial with a vigorous defense. If convicted THEN hang him by his feet in the Common and auction off baseball bats to benefit the victims and put it all on Pay-Per-View.


Adams also signed the Alien and Sedition Acts into law as President. Not really the go to guy for what you want, here.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:02 PM

nekom: simplicimus: It would be fitting if he were tried in Boston, but selecting an impartial Jury would be pretty near impossible. So I guess it will be a federal prosecution.

McVeigh's trial was moved to Colorado after the court granted a change of venue. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same requested, and granted in this case for that very reason. I'm not sure it makes much sense though, while the victims were all in Boston at the time, the audience was the entire nation. I'm not sure it's safe to assume that he'd get any more of a fair trial in any other part of the country, honestly.

i38.tinypic.com
And I agree with you. It's impossible to find an impartial jury in Canton. I think it's impossible to find an impartial jury anywhere in Mississippi. As such a jury here would be as fair as a jury anywhere else. So I decided to deny your request for a change of venue.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:09 PM

Tatsuma: No, the FBI already said that they knew that they were going to get caught, and had prepared themselves with several hand (homemade)grenades and other explosives to be ready for when the heat would come down on them. They had no plans of coming out of this alive, in jail or not.


Do you have a source for that? I haven't heard anything from the FBI.

And I highly doubt the kid had "no plans of coming out of this alive", since he came out of this alive.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:15 PM

Tatsuma: scottydoesntknow: It was random. They were robbing a convenience store for money,

No they weren't. They went to the convenience store and soon afterwards someone unrelated robbed it. It wasn't them.


Not that every report is correct, but the BPD reported the robbery was not OF the 7/11, it was AT the 7/11 - specifically it was the carjacking.  The store robbery by someone else while they were there is apparently false.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:26 PM

PapaChester: "The Tsarnaev brothers were competent enough to kill at least four people."

You do not have to be competent at anything to kill people.


I think that was a reference to the other case mentioned where the bombers blew themselves up because they couldn't tell time.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:49 PM

Voiceofreason01: doglover:
I'm not a killer. Those "kids" on the other hand put a shrapnel bomb next to a child in a crowd at a public event then shot at cops and killed each-other. They're very much bloodthirsty killers, to the tee.

So maybe we should hold the one still alive without trial so that he can be beaten by the police and sexually assaulted in jail. Which is what a lot of people(even some who should know better) have been suggesting. Sounds like justice to me. Something terrible happened and this kid should face the consequences but we also need to respect his rights and give him a fair trial. Seeking revenge in this situation is NOT OK.


He's not a suspect. There's no ambiguity here. Hang him upside down and rip his fingernails off and then shoot him in the back of the head with no trial for all I care. You can hug and kiss his corpse if you like.
 
2013-04-22 12:39:29 PM
Tatsuma:Everyone is deserving of fair and equal treatment under the law, not everyone deserves mercy.

but I don't see you being very quick to call out the posts that are essentially calling for this boy to be lynched.
 
2013-04-22 12:39:35 PM

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


You're interrupting the 2 minutes hate.

Seems to really be out in force today. Every media outlet is all "YOU AREN'T NEARLY SCARED AND ANGRY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS. BE SCARED AND ANGRY YOU USELESS EATERS".

Miss the days when Fark would mock the fearmongering of the MSM, and not engage in it. Now practically every time i come here i see "OMG bird flu is going to KILL everyone" and "let's talk about terrorists, and how they want to BLOW UP your children for no reason".
 
2013-04-22 12:39:40 PM

Voiceofreason01: or maybe they were confused and angry kids and not the blood thirsty killers that most of you are portraying them as.

/I find this bloodlust from the media, the public and (more worryingly) the government.....distastful


maybe you're a confused kid. Making explosive devices designed to cause a lot of damage and placing them in a heavily populated area = bloodthirsty. shooting and throwing grenades at cops = bloodthirsty. trying to run over cops = bloodthirsty. shooting a security guard in the head = bloodthirsty killer.
 
2013-04-22 12:40:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: Tatsuma: scottydoesntknow: It was random. They were robbing a convenience store for money,

No they weren't. They went to the convenience store and soon afterwards someone unrelated robbed it. It wasn't them.

Ok, but they only killed the cop because they thought he had spotted them, they weren't just indiscriminately killing at that point.

Otherwise, why did they let the carjacking victim in the story live?


It took this long for this thread to go around in a complete circle ?  Somebody is slipping .
 
2013-04-22 12:41:30 PM

Tatsuma: No he can't. Read the post I wrote about this.


Oh sure. No need to tug my emotional heartstrings. He is responsible for despicable things which will visit unimaginable suffering on families until the day they die. He owns it. But still - I read the interviews with the younger dc sniper and see how he feels (no, not that it matters, not that I forgive him, not that it changes anything or that his feelings matter so don't put words in my mouth) today and it's kind of surprising. Not what I expected. One case is not the other of course, maybe the younger kid was the impetus - i have no idea.
 
2013-04-22 12:41:30 PM

Tatsuma: not everyone deserves mercy.


Actually according the some religions, everyone does.
 
2013-04-22 12:41:40 PM

Voiceofreason01: So maybe we should hold the one still alive without trial so that he can be beaten by the police and sexually assaulted in jail.


Your Fark Handle.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-04-22 12:41:42 PM

nekom: basemetal: Meh, fark that piece of shiat.  If he lives, he'll get a fair trial, an expensive trial, and he'll get a needle in his arm, which is better than he deserves.  And it being federal, he'll get that needle a lot sooner than for a state death penalty.

What do you base that on? The last part, that is. McVeigh went fast, but he was a "volunteer". There haven't been a whole hell of a lot of federal death penalty cases in recent years to go by.


Without even looking I know of at least one

Federal Jury Imposes Death Sentence Against Connecticut Drug Dealer Convicted of Murder and Related Charges
 
2013-04-22 12:41:49 PM

Tatsuma: scottydoesntknow: Ok, but they only killed the cop because they thought he had spotted them, they weren't just indiscriminately killing at that point.

Except that we can see that they walked up to him in his car, and shot him in cold blood. He had no idea who they were.


I'm not saying he knew who they were, I'm saying they THOUGHT he knew who they were. They didn't shoot him because he was a white guy, they shot him because he was a cop, and odds are he had seen their mugs plastered all over the place and would connect the dots.
 
2013-04-22 12:42:10 PM
I'll buy this.

Consider that the bombs went off at 2:50. If they thought the race was going to start at 12 noon, they would have expected the premiere racers to come through, hence more of a crowd and a splash.
 
2013-04-22 12:42:17 PM
Uncle Pooky:
maybe you're a confused kid. Making explosive devices designed to cause a lot of damage and placing them in a heavily populated area = bloodthirsty. shooting and throwing grenades at cops = bloodthirsty. trying to run over cops = bloodthirsty. shooting a security guard in the head = bloodthirsty killer.

you sounds scared. Better kill that scary brown kid quick. Hell why don't you go ahead and skip the trial....it's just a waste of time anyway.
 
2013-04-22 12:42:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: Do you have a source for that? I haven't heard anything from the FBI.


That's what they said in a press conference, that they had planned this and wanted to create this whole situation.

Nana's Vibrator: Not that every report is correct, but the BPD reported the robbery was not OF the 7/11, it was AT the 7/11 - specifically it was the carjacking. The store robbery by someone else while they were there is apparently false.


No, the Boston PD said they were unrelated, the robbery was by a lone white male, 5'11" 200 pounds wearing all black from the waist up with some kind of head covering

Voiceofreason01: but I don't see you being very quick to call out the posts that are essentially calling for this boy to be lynched.


Except I did many, many times yesterday. I would have done it in this thread, but I the first thing I saw was so incredibly stupid and wrong, I was distracted.
 
2013-04-22 12:42:53 PM
: The brothers would have needed his ATM pin number to access the cash.
 
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