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(Time)   The dying language called Ayapaneco is only spoken by two people in the world. And they aren't speaking to each other. Awkward   (newsfeed.time.com) divider line 30
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2013-04-22 09:09:00 AM  
Why do we care if a language dies?  If we have a Rosetta stone for the language, let go man.  Otherwise write down the translation, just in case.
 
2013-04-22 09:11:47 AM  
It's been 2 years, is it dead yet?
 
2013-04-22 09:13:05 AM  
At that point, it becomes the same as a couple of seven year old's pretend language.
 
2013-04-22 09:14:11 AM  
By  Erica Ho April 18, 2011

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2013-04-22 09:17:04 AM  
"Listen, you tell that rabinwit that she shouldn't have whydenflard my guglenspok, and maybe I wouldn't have cretnact'd her staopenheim!"
 
2013-04-22 09:17:20 AM  
Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.
 
2013-04-22 09:18:44 AM  
oh farkn well. should have tried harder.
 
2013-04-22 09:22:14 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.


Why?

/genuinely asking
 
2013-04-22 09:22:36 AM  
That's a microcosm of humanity right there
 
2013-04-22 09:22:50 AM  

EvilEgg: Why do we care if a language dies?  If we have a Rosetta stone for the language, let go man.  Otherwise write down the translation, just in case.


You are the chosen one, the one who will deliver the message. A message of hope for those who choose to hear it and a warning to those who do not.
 
2013-04-22 09:26:18 AM  
I'm sure there is a large contingent of linguist hipsters on their way to Mexico as we speak. Pretty soon it will be the kool kids language in Brooklyn.
 
2013-04-22 09:28:39 AM  
We are often asked, "What could we learn about cooperation from a language that has ten words for "we," and no word for "I?"

I wonder what they could learn about cooperation from a language that has the phrase "space station." I think it takes more teamwork to build one of those than a canoe.
 
2013-04-22 09:29:00 AM  
I find it interesting that more people speak Klingon than several of these real languages.

Fun fact btw from wikipedia on the Klingon language:

One Klingon speaker, d'Armond Speers, raised his son Alec to speak Klingon as a first language, whilst the boy's mother communicated with him in English.  Alec rarely responded to his father in Klingon, although when he did his pronunciation was "excellent". After Alec's fifth birthday Speers reported that his son eventually stopped responding to him when spoken to in Klingon as he clearly did not enjoy it, so Speers switched to English.

Comedy gold.
 
2013-04-22 09:29:02 AM  
I thought this sounded familiar, then I looked at the date.
Old news is OLD.

/subby fail
 
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2013-04-22 09:31:16 AM  
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2013-04-22 09:33:11 AM  
Sounds like the last person who spoke only Cornish. Apparently her last words before dying were "I don't want to speak English."
 
2013-04-22 09:34:11 AM  

Koodz: AverageAmericanGuy: Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.

Why?

/genuinely asking


Culture and language go hand in hand, and these shape the history of a people. History provides the framework within which culture is anchored and as generations pass both feed off each other. They are important for any people to have a sense of who they are and where they belong in the world.

European colonists have known this to be true and have done their best to exterminate indigenous culture wherever they have tried to settle. The first act is to create schools where they go and the second act is to outlaw the use of the indigenous languages within the school grounds. They kill the language to kill the culture to create a vacuum which they fill with the colonizers' foreign culture. This creates a permanent underclass out of the indigenous people. North America, Australia, South America, and the Pacific islands are all evidence of such cultural genocide.

Ayapaneco survived the Spanish invasion until now. The loss of this language is the loss of a people. This is another culture that Europeans have snuffed out.
 
2013-04-22 09:34:40 AM  
Super glad all the hipster douches I know speak English so nobody's pressuring me to talk to them.

/Trying to walk the proverbial mile in these peoples' shoes...
 
2013-04-22 09:36:14 AM  
Not until you've paid.
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2013-04-22 09:38:30 AM  
is this the same story that gets pulled out every 6 months or so?
 
2013-04-22 09:39:20 AM  

cynicalbastard: Sounds like the last person who spoke only Cornish. Apparently her last words before dying were "I don't want to speak English."


She was killed by Irony.
 
2013-04-22 09:40:18 AM  

Koodz: AverageAmericanGuy: Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.

Why?

/genuinely asking


Someone can use it as the basis for an alien language in a sci-fi novel. We need to preserve these languages so that sci-fi writers can continue to write cool stories. If we don't, it'll be too late.
 
2013-04-22 09:40:28 AM  
So Time just rewrote a story from the Guardian, stuck a stock photo of indigenous Mexican people up, and called it a f--king day.  Journalism!

Here, have a real article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/13/mexico-language-ayapanec o- dying-out
 
2013-04-22 09:41:41 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Koodz: AverageAmericanGuy: Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.

Why?

/genuinely asking

Culture and language go hand in hand, and these shape the history of a people. History provides the framework within which culture is anchored and as generations pass both feed off each other. They are important for any people to have a sense of who they are and where they belong in the world.

European colonists have known this to be true and have done their best to exterminate indigenous culture wherever they have tried to settle. The first act is to create schools where they go and the second act is to outlaw the use of the indigenous languages within the school grounds. They kill the language to kill the culture to create a vacuum which they fill with the colonizers' foreign culture. This creates a permanent underclass out of the indigenous people. North America, Australia, South America, and the Pacific islands are all evidence of such cultural genocide.

Ayapaneco survived the Spanish invasion until now. The loss of this language is the loss of a people. This is another culture that Europeans have snuffed out.


Dude... you're so much less depressing when you're trolling the Politics tab.
 
2013-04-22 09:41:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Koodz: AverageAmericanGuy: Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.

Why?

/genuinely asking

Culture and language go hand in hand, and these shape the history of a people. History provides the framework within which culture is anchored and as generations pass both feed off each other. They are important for any people to have a sense of who they are and where they belong in the world.

European colonists have known this to be true and have done their best to exterminate indigenous culture wherever they have tried to settle. The first act is to create schools where they go and the second act is to outlaw the use of the indigenous languages within the school grounds. They kill the language to kill the culture to create a vacuum which they fill with the colonizers' foreign culture. This creates a permanent underclass out of the indigenous people. North America, Australia, South America, and the Pacific islands are all evidence of such cultural genocide.

Ayapaneco survived the Spanish invasion until now. The loss of this language is the loss of a people. This is another culture that Europeans have snuffed out.


Then what's the point of preserving that language?

Personally I'm okay with a future that has a single homogeneous world culture and don't care if mine doesn't contribute to it. Cultures and memes DO compete like organisms and their fitness can be observed.
 
2013-04-22 09:46:21 AM  

furterfan: is this the same story that gets pulled out every 6 months or so?


I fully expect they're both farkers who have each other on Ignore.
 
2013-04-22 09:53:26 AM  

LazarusLong42: AverageAmericanGuy: Koodz: AverageAmericanGuy: Applying a warped form of Darwinism to examine the rise and fall of languages is racist and disgusting. The preservation of these dying languages should be of the utmost priority in these days of growing cultural homogeneity. English and Spanish and French and Chinese are great languages, but the value of a language cannot be judged based on the number of speakers it has.

At the very least, I hope that Ayapaneco is being documented and studied so that the legacy of these ancient tongues is not lost forever.

Why?

/genuinely asking

Culture and language go hand in hand, and these shape the history of a people. History provides the framework within which culture is anchored and as generations pass both feed off each other. They are important for any people to have a sense of who they are and where they belong in the world.

European colonists have known this to be true and have done their best to exterminate indigenous culture wherever they have tried to settle. The first act is to create schools where they go and the second act is to outlaw the use of the indigenous languages within the school grounds. They kill the language to kill the culture to create a vacuum which they fill with the colonizers' foreign culture. This creates a permanent underclass out of the indigenous people. North America, Australia, South America, and the Pacific islands are all evidence of such cultural genocide.

Ayapaneco survived the Spanish invasion until now. The loss of this language is the loss of a people. This is another culture that Europeans have snuffed out.

Dude... you're so much less depressing when you're trolling the Politics tab.


Cultural extinction is pretty depressing.
 
2013-04-22 10:01:18 AM  
Lots of native languages of the Americas have gone extinct.  The key is to have writing.  Lots of missionaries made up syllabarys using latin letters, though some were quite strange, making use of pictographs and one used rotating vowels, it's thought that they may have been influenced by earlier writing systems.  Then there's Seqoyah, who was a quite interesting man in history for sure.  He invented the Cherokee syllabary after he noticed Europeans communicating by writing and thought "Neat.  I think I'll invent this for us."  Got to admire that kind of gumption, and he may well have saved the Cherokee language.
 
2013-04-22 10:08:37 AM  

Koodz: Personally I'm okay with a future that has a single homogeneous world culture and don't care if mine doesn't contribute to it. Cultures and memes DO compete like organisms and their fitness can be observed.


Shaka.  When the walls fell.
 
2013-04-22 10:26:24 AM  
European colonists have known this to be true and have done their best to exterminate indigenous culture wherever they have tried to settle
...and in  fact the British tried this in Ireland (banning the use of gaelic in schools and in public) but thanks to the Irish of yesteryear who told the british where they could go with that idea.
 
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