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2013-04-22 08:15:12 AM
What? An AD of a small school is trying to schedule a show-case game with his former employer? Shocking!
 
2013-04-22 08:29:33 AM
Well they're no Robert Morris.
 
2013-04-22 08:30:09 AM
 
2013-04-22 08:48:18 AM
fark it...good on him.

San Diego State played Syracuse on the deck of a friggin aircraft carrier and got their asses handed to them because it was windy & their game doesn't match up well for those conditions.  Other than that, they could have hung with 'em.

I hope Boise State Community College and Smurf-Turf Factory pulls off a win...
 
2013-04-22 08:50:15 AM

Go Fast Turn Left: I wonder what would lead him to think he could hang with a team like Kentucky...


Oh they'll herp and derp all summer long over this squad. Meh.
 
2013-04-22 09:40:42 AM
Wait, wait- taking a bunch of college kids on the road, to one of the most famous basketball arenas in the nation? Letting them compete against top-level talent? Giving them an experience that- win or lose- they'll never forget?

Is this really the type of example we're trying to set for today's student-athletes?
 
2013-04-22 10:02:12 AM
worked for the football team
 
2013-04-22 10:42:18 AM
Because if you want to prove to everyone you're ready for the big time, you need to schedule nothing but teams in the 250+ RPI range and Division II schools, so you go 14-0 in nonconference play, right subs?
 
2013-04-22 10:42:47 AM
The author jumped the shark when he called One-And-Donetucky the "potential #1 team in the nation".

Excuse me?
 
2013-04-22 10:49:34 AM

Super Chronic: Because if you want to prove to everyone you're ready for the big time, you need to schedule nothing but teams in the 250+ RPI range and Division II schools, so you go 14-0 in nonconference play, right subs?


Gets you in the tournament nowadays, why not?
 
2013-04-22 10:50:10 AM

Coach_J: The author jumped the shark when he called One-And-Donetucky the "potential #1 team in the nation".

Excuse me?


UK's class next year is ridiculous, even by Kentucky standards.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kentucky/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2 01 3
 
2013-04-22 11:04:59 AM

Coach_J: The author jumped the shark when he called One-And-Donetucky the "potential #1 team in the nation".

Excuse me?


The fun of Kentucky and the one-and-done system is that they can be either the No. 1 team or they can fail to make the tournament. Everything is on the table for them every year.
 
2013-04-22 11:24:01 AM

IAmRight: Coach_J: The author jumped the shark when he called One-And-Donetucky the "potential #1 team in the nation".

Excuse me?

The fun of Kentucky and the one-and-done system is that they can be either the No. 1 team or they can fail to make the tournament. Everything is on the table for them every year.


That's one year of not making the tournament. Everyone forgets that the 2010-2011 team that made the final four wasn't a top team all year, and just got hot and clicking at the right time, and that's without the center who was supposed to be the best player on the team (Enes Kanter).

The failing of the team this year was a combination of too many guys leaving (I believed, like a lot of people Marquise Teague would be coming back), Noel's injury (which UK still wouldn't have been in the finals, but probably would have still made the tournament), and the fact that the overall HS class coming into college last year was pretty weak overall.

But yeah, the system is fun.
 
2013-04-22 11:44:41 AM

Coach_J: The author jumped the shark when he called One-And-Donetucky the "potential #1 team in the nation".

Excuse me?


i don't think you understand how college basketball works.

after signing six of Rivals.com's top 20 incoming recruits.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/04/20/2542351/broncos-hopingto-pla y kentucky.html#storylink=cp
 
2013-04-22 11:46:22 AM
Kentucky is blowing their cap for years to come with all their signings for next year.
 
2013-04-22 11:49:12 AM
It's a real shame those guys will have to take a pay cut when they go to the NBA.
 
2013-04-22 11:50:32 AM

imapirate: Well they're no Robert Morris.


Bobby Mo?

Wish they had stayed a decent business school and didn't go down the jock path.
 
2013-04-22 01:48:35 PM
Alternative headline:

"Kentucky fan, who apparently hasn't looked at how last season ended, is trying to talk smack to anybody."
 
2013-04-22 02:07:05 PM

Super Chronic: Because if you want to prove to everyone you're ready for the big time, you need to schedule nothing but teams in the 250+ RPI range and Division II schools, so you go 14-0 in nonconference play, right subs?


That is how their football team does it.

/runs

But really, if you know that you are probably going to be a bubble team, you are going to need games like this to get into the tournament.
 
2013-04-22 02:23:19 PM

SlothB77: Coach_J: The author jumped the shark when he called One-And-Donetucky the "potential #1 team in the nation".

Excuse me?

i don't think you understand how college basketball works.

after signing six of Rivals.com's top 20 incoming recruits.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/04/20/2542351/broncos-hopingto-pla y kentucky.html#storylink=cp


Dear Commenter,

I know exactly how it works.

Sincerely,

The 2012-2013 NCAA Men's Basketball Season
 
2013-04-22 02:49:27 PM

EyeballKid: Super Chronic: Because if you want to prove to everyone you're ready for the big time, you need to schedule nothing but teams in the 250+ RPI range and Division II schools, so you go 14-0 in nonconference play, right subs?

Gets you in the tournament nowadays, why not?


I kind of doubt it.  The selection committee doesn't just look at raw won-lost record; they're definitely looking at strength of schedule, and in many cases what they call a "quality loss" goes farther than a weak win.

ongbok:   But really, if you know that you are probably going to be a bubble team, you are going to need games like this to get into the tournament.

I think this is more accurate, yes.
 
2013-04-22 03:11:37 PM

bacongood: Alternative headline:

"Kentucky fan, who apparently hasn't looked at how last season ended, is trying to talk smack to anybody."


It's all they have, so just let them run it all summer. Makes it that much funnier when their layover talent fizzles out.

Three of them are on record saying they could beat Jordan at 1 on 1, in Jordan's prime. Nope, no ego issues here. I'm sure they'll all be team players and just proud to play for the name on the front of the jersey.
 
2013-04-22 03:14:08 PM

imapirate: Three of them are on record saying they could beat Jordan at 1 on 1, in Jordan's prime. Nope, no ego issues here. I'm sure they'll all be team players and just proud to play for the name on the front of the jersey.


Or, they'll be "asked" to transfer to Pikeville if a really hot recruit comes along, right?
 
2013-04-22 03:16:35 PM

imapirate: bacongood: Alternative headline:

"Kentucky fan, who apparently hasn't looked at how last season ended, is trying to talk smack to anybody."

It's all they have, so just let them run it all summer. Makes it that much funnier when their layover talent fizzles out.

Three of them are on record saying they could beat Jordan at 1 on 1, in Jordan's prime. Nope, no ego issues here. I'm sure they'll all be team players and just proud to play for the name on the front of the jersey.


I really hope UK hangs Number 9 next year, just to hear the next batch of excuses people have. Last year it was UK was too young, Calipari can't win a title, etc., etc., etc. What can anyone say if UK wins the title next year?
 
2013-04-22 04:10:46 PM
Wouldn't a game like this help with recruiting as well?  Boise St. isn't going to get the Kentucky level of talent (duh).  Heck, I am guessing that Boise St. is scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as basketball talent goes.  A game against Kentucky might just give them the upper hand with the talent level they recruit and it might even allow them to grab someone a little above the usual guys they can grab.
 
2013-04-22 04:18:51 PM
If the rest of the Mountain West doesn't shore up its football (I'm looking at you, UNLV), Boise is moving to the PAC-Whatever Number
 
2013-04-22 04:29:42 PM
babysealclubber: I really hope UK hangs Number 9 next year, just to hear the next batch of excuses people have. Last year it was UK was too young, Calipari can't win a title, etc., etc., etc. What can anyone say if UK wins the title next year?

"Good, I hope this helps their fans get over their persecution complex."
 
2013-04-22 04:33:38 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: If the rest of the Mountain West doesn't shore up its football (I'm looking at you, UNLV), Boise is moving to the PAC-Whatever Number


I think they've explored this in the past and the word is their academics aren't up to the conference's standards.  (That's an awfully low bar considering the conference includes Oregon and Oregon State, but hey, that's what I heard.)
 
2013-04-22 04:54:11 PM

ladodger34: Wouldn't a game like this help with recruiting as well?  Boise St. isn't going to get the Kentucky level of talent (duh).  Heck, I am guessing that Boise St. is scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as basketball talent goes.  A game against Kentucky might just give them the upper hand with the talent level they recruit and it might even allow them to grab someone a little above the usual guys they can grab.


Yeah. Subby's snark aside, there's really nothing about this that's a losing proposition for Boise St. Their best-case scenario is that they stroll into town, play a young team that hasn't yet meshed, and walk out with a win. Their second-best is that they stroll into Lexington, play a nationally-televised game on ESPN, and lose.

Both those are recruiting aids. Win, and it's "come to Boise- we're good enough to beat UK in Rupp." Lose, and it's "Come to Boise- we'll get on TV a few times a year, and if we had a player of YOUR caliber on the team, we could have beat UK in Rupp last year. You, oh hotshot 3-star recruit, are the final piece of the puzzle."

Even if this game doesn't happen, the Boise coach gets some street cred. "Yeah, it's the same problem our football team has- the big boys are afraid to schedule us. We tried to go to Kentucky, but they wanted no part of us. Come to the Taco Bell Arena, and we shall lay the stomp and whipsong on our opponents."
 
2013-04-22 04:55:17 PM

ladodger34: Wouldn't a game like this help with recruiting as well?  Boise St. isn't going to get the Kentucky level of talent (duh).  Heck, I am guessing that Boise St. is scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as basketball talent goes.  A game against Kentucky might just give them the upper hand with the talent level they recruit and it might even allow them to grab someone a little above the usual guys they can grab.


That's what these types of games are for, plus they help smaller schools make a lot more money. This isn't a new or an odd practice and I'm not really sure why this is Fark-worthy.
 
2013-04-22 05:36:11 PM

babysealclubber: That's what these types of games are for, plus they help smaller schools make a lot more money. This isn't a new or an odd practice and I'm not really sure why this is Fark-worthy.


This. Louisville played some bottom feeders too last year. ERMAHGERD!

Anyway, smack talk aside, ever want to be a fly on the wall when they pitched the scholly to the 6th dude?

"We understand that you're the 6th person we've signed in the top 20 players, and that there are 300+ other schools you can choose from where you can go and be the best player that has ever played at 90% of those schools. You'll be an overnight star and improve your draft status doing it! But we want you to come off the bench for the guy who will be taken before you in next year's draft. How's that sound?"
 
2013-04-22 05:45:02 PM

imapirate: babysealclubber: That's what these types of games are for, plus they help smaller schools make a lot more money. This isn't a new or an odd practice and I'm not really sure why this is Fark-worthy.

This. Louisville played some bottom feeders too last year. ERMAHGERD!


You guys realize Boise State was an at-large NCAA tournament team this year, don't you?  (I mean, play-in round, but still.)  In 2012-13 this would be a tougher game for Kentucky than the vast majority of its in-conference games.
 
2013-04-22 06:02:27 PM

Super Chronic: imapirate: babysealclubber: That's what these types of games are for, plus they help smaller schools make a lot more money. This isn't a new or an odd practice and I'm not really sure why this is Fark-worthy.

This. Louisville played some bottom feeders too last year. ERMAHGERD!

You guys realize Boise State was an at-large NCAA tournament team this year, don't you?  (I mean, play-in round, but still.)  In 2012-13 this would be a tougher game for Kentucky than the vast majority of its in-conference games.


I agree with you that Boise will present a challenge and the SEC is horrible.

That doesn't mean they're not bottom feeders.
 
2013-04-22 06:05:45 PM

imapirate: babysealclubber: That's what these types of games are for, plus they help smaller schools make a lot more money. This isn't a new or an odd practice and I'm not really sure why this is Fark-worthy.

This. Louisville played some bottom feeders too last year. ERMAHGERD!

Anyway, smack talk aside, ever want to be a fly on the wall when they pitched the scholly to the 6th dude?

"We understand that you're the 6th person we've signed in the top 20 players, and that there are 300+ other schools you can choose from where you can go and be the best player that has ever played at 90% of those schools. You'll be an overnight star and improve your draft status doing it! But we want you to come off the bench for the guy who will be taken before you in next year's draft. How's that sound?"


Given Kentucky's history, it's likely that it's because of the size of the paycheck (or DHL boxes filled with cash) they'll get from Kentucky boosters.
 
2013-04-22 06:37:37 PM

number8: imapirate: babysealclubber: That's what these types of games are for, plus they help smaller schools make a lot more money. This isn't a new or an odd practice and I'm not really sure why this is Fark-worthy.

This. Louisville played some bottom feeders too last year. ERMAHGERD!

Anyway, smack talk aside, ever want to be a fly on the wall when they pitched the scholly to the 6th dude?

"We understand that you're the 6th person we've signed in the top 20 players, and that there are 300+ other schools you can choose from where you can go and be the best player that has ever played at 90% of those schools. You'll be an overnight star and improve your draft status doing it! But we want you to come off the bench for the guy who will be taken before you in next year's draft. How's that sound?"

Given Kentucky's history, it's likely that it's because of the size of the paycheck (or DHL boxes filled with cash) they'll get from Kentucky boosters.


Certainly not envelopes of cash stamped with school letterhead. Been there, done that.
 
2013-04-22 07:06:56 PM
I see the louisville fans are basking in their 15 seconds of glory.
 
2013-04-22 07:23:04 PM

Cataholic: I see the louisville fans are basking in their 15 seconds of glory.


blogs.ajc.com
What a Louisville fan who basked in 15 seconds of glory might look like.
 
2013-04-22 07:26:39 PM

Cataholic: I see the louisville fans are basking in their 15 seconds of glory.


No just enjoying 15 seconds without an NCAA investigation. I understand that's a foreign concept.
 
2013-04-22 07:40:29 PM

imapirate: Cataholic: I see the louisville fans are basking in their 15 seconds of glory.

No just enjoying 15 seconds without an NCAA investigation. I understand that's a foreign concept.


Considering Louisville has been on probation twice since the last time Kentucky broke the rules, I'm sure it might be.  25 years is a long time to run a clean ship.
 
2013-04-22 08:32:30 PM

Cataholic: imapirate: Cataholic: I see the louisville fans are basking in their 15 seconds of glory.

No just enjoying 15 seconds without an NCAA investigation. I understand that's a foreign concept.

Considering Louisville has been on probation twice since the last time Kentucky broke the rules, I'm sure it might be.  25 years is a long time to run a clean ship.


That's fair, so long as you boys pause while celebrating those titles won a half century ago you love to brag about. The '49 champs were caught point shaving in the NIT and got the 1st of two death penalties. Don't ever forget precious tradition.
 
2013-04-22 10:32:01 PM
Let's see.  Home game @  Rupp arena 20,000 seats @ $40 ea.  Throw in another $10 bucks/car for parking, concessions, merchandise, UK grosses about 1.1 mil.  If BSU gets 1/4 of that they make twice what they get for making the NCAA tournament $1.1 million/4 vs. $1.2 million/10.

You're right, no reason they would ever do something like that.
 
2013-04-23 08:13:15 AM

babysealclubber: imapirate: bacongood: Alternative headline:

I really hope UK hangs Number 9 next year, just to hear the next batch of excuses people have. Last year it was UK was too young, Calipari can't win a title, etc., etc., etc. What can anyone say if UK wins the title next year?


Well, last year, UK had 2 sophomores and a senior on the team who were critical to its success, two of whom would not have been on the team had there not been a threatened NBA strike.  You saw this year what happens when you rely almost exclusively on freshman/new players.  Now, UK will have the benefit of WCS, Poythress, and Wiltjer to balance out the young guns, so they won't be relying only on freshman again.  But the one-and-done objection hasn't really been disproven, and likely won't be next year either.
 
2013-04-23 08:28:53 AM

boyofd: babysealclubber: imapirate: bacongood: Alternative headline:

I really hope UK hangs Number 9 next year, just to hear the next batch of excuses people have. Last year it was UK was too young, Calipari can't win a title, etc., etc., etc. What can anyone say if UK wins the title next year?

Well, last year, UK had 2 sophomores and a senior on the team who were critical to its success, two of whom would not have been on the team had there not been a threatened NBA strike.  You saw this year what happens when you rely almost exclusively on freshman/new players.  Now, UK will have the benefit of WCS, Poythress, and Wiltjer to balance out the young guns, so they won't be relying only on freshman again.  But the one-and-done objection hasn't really been disproven, and likely won't be next year either.


Let's see..... Mays was a senior, Polson was a junior, Ryan Harrow was a junior, Wiltjer was a sophomore, and by the end of the season, Jon Hood, another junior, was playing significant minutes.

Last year's team had troubles with injuries (Noel with his knee injury, and Beckham never saw the floor due to a back injury), and from what I understand, Ryan Harrow leaving the team at the beginning of the season, and he may or may not have been threatening to leave all year. But that last part is just rumor mill talk, so take it with a grain of salt.
 
2013-04-23 08:29:39 AM

imapirate: Anyway, smack talk aside, ever want to be a fly on the wall when they pitched the scholly to the 6th dude?


Yes, I would. I guess just the whole notion that you're going to play against pro potential players every day in practice really appeals to some guys.
 
2013-04-23 12:56:08 PM

Super Chronic: I think they've explored this in the past and the word is their academics aren't up to the conference's standards.  (That's an awfully low bar considering the conference includes Oregon and Oregon State, but hey, that's what I heard.)


SIX percent of Boise State students graduate in four years.

Not sixty, not sixteen...six. They're a glorified community college with a football team.
 
2013-04-23 03:30:37 PM

babysealclubber: boyofd: babysealclubber: imapirate: bacongood: Alternative headline:

Let's see..... Mays was a senior, Polson was a junior, Ryan Harrow was a junior, Wiltjer was a sophomore, and by the end of the season, Jon Hood, another junior, was playing significant minutes.

Last year's team had troubles with injuries (Noel with his knee injury, and Beckham never saw the floor due to a back injury), and from what I understand, Ryan Harrow leaving the team at the beginning of the season, and he may or may not have been threatening to leave all year. But that last part is just rumor mill talk, so take it with a grain of salt.


I said "freshman/first year players."  Mays and Harrow were both first year players, and Polson might as well have been.  Wiltjer was the only player with actual experience who returned for Cal.  Plus, the team was on the bubble before Noel's injury.  Obviously it hurt to lose such an incredible athlete, but they were headed towards a 10 seed and first or second round exit.  Not terrible, but not something UK fans would accept with any regularity.
 
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