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(BBC)   Light drinking during pregnancy doesn't harm the baby. Great, I'll have some Coors Light, Miller Light, and Bud Light   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 49
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2013-04-22 01:10:13 AM
Coors Light, Miller Light and Bud light. that's child abuse.
 
2013-04-22 06:09:35 AM
I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk very quickly.
 
2013-04-22 06:12:07 AM
The timing of the drinking is very critical. The first few says and weeks mean more than the rest of the pregnancy.

I doubt this study does much to disprove previous studies
 
2013-04-22 06:12:30 AM
Is it just me or do they change the formal opinion on this every couple of years or so?
 
2013-04-22 06:13:44 AM

awalkingecho: Is it just me or do they change the formal opinion on this every couple of years or so?


this is the first i've heard of this since the 80's... so more like, couple of decades maybe
 
2013-04-22 06:13:57 AM

darkjezter: I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk very quickly.


Yes. Plus a bunch of people who defend a position of total abstinence despite a lack of any evidence that contradicts the study in question. It should be a good time.
 
2013-04-22 06:14:56 AM
I thought the consensus was that moderation is fine, but most people are incapable of moderation, so best not to try any at all, m'kay?.
 
2013-04-22 06:15:09 AM

nigeman: I doubt this study does much to disprove previous studies


The previous studies that show light to moderate drinking have, if any effect, a positive outcome?
 
2013-04-22 06:15:11 AM
I thought everyone knew it was okay but women were advised against it because a lot of women didn't know what "light" meant and still drank too much.
 
2013-04-22 06:16:21 AM

CeroX: awalkingecho: Is it just me or do they change the formal opinion on this every couple of years or so?

this is the first i've heard of this since the 80's... so more like, couple of decades maybe


It's the fourth since high school for me, and that was only 9 years ago.
 
2013-04-22 06:22:04 AM

SarahDiddle: I thought everyone knew it was okay but women were advised against it because a lot of women didn't know what "light" meant and still drank too much.


That's possibly the most rational thing anyone has ever said about alcohol use during pregnancy. So clearly that's not what any "news" article has to report.
 
2013-04-22 06:22:15 AM
This is good news. My wife is pregnant, so I'm drinking for two.
 
2013-04-22 06:22:47 AM
How is babby shiatfaced?
 
2013-04-22 06:29:04 AM

nigeman: The timing of the drinking is very critical. The first few says and weeks mean more than the rest of the pregnancy.

I doubt this study does much to disprove previous studies


Unfortunately, unless you are trying to get pregnant, the critical time you mention has usually passed by before you stop drinking.  Please give your baby the best chance you can.  You can have many years to drink later, especially if your kid is healthy.  If your kid never flies the nest because of neurological deficits, you don't.  And trust me, you want your years of pleasant imbibing during the kid's puberty.
 
2013-04-22 06:30:29 AM
Sweet! My lifelong goal of being the first woman to give birth to a baby born with an olive in its mouth is that much closer to fruition.
 
2013-04-22 06:36:02 AM

profplump: darkjezter: I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk very quickly.

Yes. Plus a bunch of people who defend a position of total abstinence despite a lack of any evidence that contradicts the study in question. It should be a good time.


Look, if I'm going to ruin my baby's health forever, I'm not doing it for anything less than a Chimay Red.
 
2013-04-22 06:36:19 AM

SUBBY


reat, I'll have some Coors Light, Miller Light, and Bud Light

Drinking water has always been acceptable during pregnancy

darkjezter: I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk very quickly.

LET THE BEER SNOB THREAD BEGIN!
 
2013-04-22 06:55:50 AM

darkjezter: I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk very quickly.


Let me know when Coors, Miller, or Budweiser is considered "beer".
 
2013-04-22 07:08:23 AM

cherryl taggart: nigeman: The timing of the drinking is very critical. The first few says and weeks mean more than the rest of the pregnancy.

I doubt this study does much to disprove previous studies

Unfortunately, unless you are trying to get pregnant, the critical time you mention has usually passed by before you stop drinking.  Please give your baby the best chance you can.  You can have many years to drink later, especially if your kid is healthy.  If your kid never flies the nest because of neurological deficits, you don't.  And trust me, you want your years of pleasant imbibing during the kid's puberty.


The blood supply for the mother and baby don't connect until after the first missed period, I think 2 weeks later.  Thus, drinking or taking birth control in the days after conception doesn't harm the baby.  However, the next several weeks are critically important for brain and body development and alcohol should be avoided.  In the 2nd and 3rd trimesters light drinking is OK.  I agree that many women have no clue what light drinking consists of, thus they should avoid alcohol completely.

/had this panicked discussion with the OB/GYN not too long ago.
 
2013-04-22 07:12:28 AM

SarahDiddle: I thought everyone knew it was okay but women were advised against it because a lot of women didn't know what "light" meant and still drank too much.

Doesn't "light drinking" mean you can still walk?

 
2013-04-22 07:12:41 AM
In PA school we learned its OK for women to drink small amounts of alcohol and caffeine after the first trimester. Basically, 8/oz caffeine day or, as the article states, about 2 alcoholic drinks/week. We also learned to not highlight this to patients because the only ones to take it to heart are those who would drink more than the recommended amount. The ones to get antsy about having to limit alcohol aren't in the light drinker category to begin with.
 
2013-04-22 07:16:22 AM

darkjezter: I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk in defense of rape very quickly.


FTFY
 
2013-04-22 07:17:29 AM
if it wasn't for excessive beers most of us wouldn't beer here to begin with
 
2013-04-22 07:25:28 AM

maddogdelta: SUBBY
reat, I'll have some Coors Light, Miller Light, and Bud Light

Drinking water has always been acceptable during pregnancy


See this has been appropriately covered. Carry on, then.
 
2013-04-22 07:29:23 AM
No obvious tag?

We really molly coddle mothers way too much for a species with the overpopulation problem we have.
 
2013-04-22 07:29:39 AM
Look at me, I am so sophisticated and snobby about my beer selection. I will also make it my goal to tell every single person that their beer is insufficient. Everyone hates me at parties because I insist on bringing this up every damn weekend.
 
2013-04-22 07:39:52 AM
Light drinking?

If you aren't drinking to get drunk and forget about your own poor life choices, then what's the point of drinking?
 
2013-04-22 07:40:56 AM

great_tigers: Look at me, I am so sophisticated and snobby about my beer selection. I will also make it my goal to tell every single person that their beer is insufficient. Everyone hates me at parties because I insist on bringing this up every damn weekend


Well, I must be better than you because I only drink "IchbinzuvielvoneinemSnobIhreBauerBier,Bauerntrinken" beer imported from the town of Ichbinbesseralsdu, Germany.
 
2013-04-22 07:50:53 AM
Been known for a long time. This isn't news.
 
2013-04-22 07:52:08 AM
So my technique of drinking a Dogfish head 90 minute IPA and pissing in subby's mom's mouth will finally be accepted by society? Thank God.
 
2013-04-22 08:14:40 AM
we know someone who has a kid with FAS.

everyone thinks they don't drink too much.
 
2013-04-22 08:34:31 AM

legion_of_doo: we know someone who has a kid with FAS.

everyone thinks they don't drink too much.


I came in here to post that Britain recommended Guinness as a nutritional source during pregnancy and then i read this. and was reminded of the reality of dealing with my FAS wife and adopted daughter. props to legion of doo for keeping a clear head.
 
2013-04-22 08:44:33 AM
Fark.  NOWWW they tell me.

Argh
 
2013-04-22 08:45:21 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Been known for a long time. This isn't news.


Seriously. During the Middle Ages, people in many parts of Europe drank nothing but weak alcohols. There's a reason they didn't collapse because everyone had fetal alcohol syndrome.
 
2013-04-22 08:56:32 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
members of the lower castes ('Gamma', 'Delta', 'Epsilon') are subjected to in situ...
 
2013-04-22 09:21:31 AM
"Light drinking during pregnancy doesn't harm the baby. "


...if you're the father.
 
2013-04-22 09:33:14 AM
Not drinking real beer does not give you real beer effects?  How did this get Green Light?
 
2013-04-22 09:45:39 AM

utah dude: legion_of_doo: we know someone who has a kid with FAS.

everyone thinks they don't drink too much.

I came in here to post that Britain recommended Guinness as a nutritional source during pregnancy and then i read this. and was reminded of the reality of dealing with my FAS wife and adopted daughter. props to legion of doo for keeping a clear head.


that's probably the first time that's ever been said here, but I occasionally turn off crazy random internet poster meme.

/FAS is no joke. their first kid had FAS (mom was a "light" drinker), and they had a second kid (no drinking during pregnancy) with no FAS. sometimes you wish life had a redo button.
 
2013-04-22 09:50:59 AM
when my mom was in hospital on bed rest with my younger brother, they gave her guinness. of course, this is in the north of england in 1970, which is pretty much the third world, but still...

/csb
 
2013-04-22 11:11:03 AM
Sometimes I have weird cravings for heroin.

Heywaitaminute, MOOOOOM!
 
2013-04-22 11:18:42 AM
My dad (OBGYN for 35 years, retired) told me the effects fall off more or less continuously as the exposure decreases.  Failure to detect effects doesn't indicate a safe exposure level.  It indicates the limits of the available tests to detect smaller and smaller effects due to smaller and smaller exposure.  As the the tests are improved, effects of lower exposure are detected.

FTA, it sounds like nothing's changed:
"However, it remains unclear as to what level of alcohol consumption may have adverse outcomes so this should not alter current advice and if women are worried about consumption levels the safest option would be to abstain from drinking during pregnancy."

Maybe a very small degree of FAS is acceptable?  Would you even notice a drop of 1 IQ point--or whatever they use today to measure how smart the kid is?  I don't have kids, so I can't answer how important these things are to parents.
 
2013-04-22 11:26:49 AM

enry: darkjezter: I predict this thread becoming a beer snob circle-jerk very quickly.

Let me know when Coors, Miller, or Budweiser is considered "beer".


Coors banquet, Miller Genuine draft, and Budweiser arent as farking close to water as Coors lite, miller lite, and bud lite.

Not saying they are good, but its the lites that earn american beer the water rep.
 
2013-04-22 11:34:51 AM

Winterssnowykiss: cherryl taggart: nigeman: The timing of the drinking is very critical. The first few says and weeks mean more than the rest of the pregnancy.

I doubt this study does much to disprove previous studies

Unfortunately, unless you are trying to get pregnant, the critical time you mention has usually passed by before you stop drinking.  Please give your baby the best chance you can.  You can have many years to drink later, especially if your kid is healthy.  If your kid never flies the nest because of neurological deficits, you don't.  And trust me, you want your years of pleasant imbibing during the kid's puberty.

The blood supply for the mother and baby don't connect until after the first missed period, I think 2 weeks later.  Thus, drinking or taking birth control in the days after conception doesn't harm the baby.  However, the next several weeks are critically important for brain and body development and alcohol should be avoided.  In the 2nd and 3rd trimesters light drinking is OK.  I agree that many women have no clue what light drinking consists of, thus they should avoid alcohol completely.

/had this panicked discussion with the OB/GYN not too long ago.


Congratualtions!
 
2013-04-22 11:44:51 AM
Absolutely not true.  We study a model of fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD), and we have shown that even light drinking during pregnancy can permanently alter neurotransmitter receptor subunit composition, leading to subtle problems in learning and memory processes.

Don't drink during pregnancy.  At all.
 
2013-04-22 12:01:24 PM

maddogdelta: great_tigers: Look at me, I am so sophisticated and snobby about my beer selection. I will also make it my goal to tell every single person that their beer is insufficient. Everyone hates me at parties because I insist on bringing this up every damn weekend

Well, I must be better than you because I only drink "IchbinzuvielvoneinemSnobIhreBauerBier,Bauerntrinken" beer imported from the town of Ichbinbesseralsdu, Germany.


Peasant...*I* won't drink anything without umlauts in its name...
 
2013-04-22 12:17:55 PM

Skanque: Absolutely not true.  We study a model of fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD), and we have shown that even light drinking during pregnancy can permanently alter neurotransmitter receptor subunit composition, leading to subtle problems in learning and memory processes.

Don't drink during pregnancy.  At all.


Horrible, fear-mongering advice.  There are women frightened into getting abortions because they had a beer or two before they knew they were pregnant.  You must specify what you mean by "light drinking," it likely does not mean what some people think it means.
 
2013-04-22 12:39:55 PM
So that broad that I was banging  a few years ago who turned out to have been knocked up by somebody else shouldn't have been out getting shiatfaced with me?  No wonder the kid (assuming the sperm donor's genes aren't the reason) is retarded.
 
2013-04-22 12:57:06 PM

Loaf's Tray: Peasant...*I* won't drink anything without umlauts in its name...


damn, I've been out snobbed!!!

**shakes tiny fist**
 
2013-04-22 04:00:53 PM
I had a freind that read some wine or some vodka during a pregnancy wouldn't hurt the baby.  The author apparently meaning a GLASS of wine or ONE DRINK with vodka in it daily.  This resulted in a bottle of wine or grey goose daily.

why yes, she did have severe substance abuse problems.
 
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