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2013-04-22 03:27:29 PM  

WhippingBoy: PsiChick: Quinsisdos: PsiChick: How the fark do you not know what 'sarcasm' is and that the writer is, in fact,  mocking the point of view they are pretending to emulate?

In his defence, it is Jezebel we're talking about here.

Does Jezebel have some sort of reading-comprehension-fail link? Because I think I clicked a different one than most of the thread. I actually understood it was sarcastic, to start with.

No offense, but you've proven time and time again that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed...


So the entire thread is  worse at picking up sarcasm than me? Damn. That...I really wouldn't go bragging about it, dude.

mike_d85: WhippingBoy: PsiChick: [stopped reading]

anyone else see this as a particularly amusing battle of the sexes?

/gurls are smrt
//men aren't mind readers
///Anyone with me on the pun?
//slash


Ah, the classic error of attributing a higher cause, like the battle of the sexes, to a simple question of whether or not most of the thread is reading at a third-grade level.
 
2013-04-22 03:41:34 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Sid_6.7: teto85: 25.media.tumblr.com

You're reading what passes as "feminist critique" among the more modern and less intellectually interested "feminists".

Unlike the feminist of yore, which might have actually had many fine and insightful points to make about how society tends to emphasize and favor the "masculine" over the "feminine" (no, really, guy here, and a lot of feminism is interesting philosophically!), this author, like many of her ilk, have been reduced to complaining about men complaining.

Which, really, is about the opposite of feminism. Hey, lady, how about you stop obsessing over what men say and do, and forge your own place in the world? Yeah, didn't think so, that would be too hard, wouldn't it?

And she's really trying to be funny, but managing to come off as even less funny and more pissy than most conservative "comedians".

Sad.

/and that's what you're reading!



\when did feminism stop being about equality?
\\equality is what I still look to create and what my GF and I are all about.


Feminism stopped being about equality back in the 1990's. If you still only want equality, then you're a racist, extremist hardcore conservative douchebag. How dare you think that men should have the same opportunities as women! Don't you know that's racist?!
 
2013-04-22 03:42:31 PM  

mike_d85: WhippingBoy: PsiChick: [stopped reading]

anyone else see this as a particularly amusing battle of the sexes?

/gurls are smrt
//men aren't mind readers
///Anyone with me on the pun?
//slash


I knew you were going to say that.
 
2013-04-22 03:47:48 PM  

PsiChick: Ah, the classic error of attributing a higher cause, like the battle of the sexes, to a simple question of whether or not most of the thread is reading at a third-grade level.


Do you honestly believe that you're the only one who "got" what the Jezebel article's author was trying to do? Do you honestly believe that???
 
2013-04-22 04:13:51 PM  

Gothnet: CeroX: But feminism came along and taught women not to depend on men to take care of them (the message didn't include "unless you want them to"). So by offering a solution, as we are almost programmed to do, we are perpetuating that they need us to fix their problems. So this is part of a new conflict of interests as i observe it.

I very much disagree with this. I don't think it's a taught behaviour any more than you offering solutions is a taught behaviour. It presupposes that a solution is wanted to the situation, which it isn't (IMHO).
They (the type of woman that gets annoyed at men offering fixes to problems) wouldn't want a solution from their girlfriends either. They just want to vent for a while and have someone sympathise.


I respect the difference of opinion, but i would like to point out that it wasn't their girlfriends who gave them a solution to their original problem, just a solution for what to do about their current problem (being her issues with her man), which they, in my experience, take. So i would agree with your statement, but that statement isn't quite what i was trying to say.
 
2013-04-22 04:16:19 PM  

Cato: namatad: dustygrimp: Current biggest pet peeve with regard to communication is that I hate getting answers to questions I haven't asked.

Me: What do you want for dinner?
Her: If you want to make that chicken we bought the other day I can find something else.
Me: Ok.  What do you want for dinner?
Her: It doesn't matter.  You can have the chicken.

Please, just answer the question I asked, not the question you think I am asking.

hahahaha
me: where do you want to go for dinner
her: I dont care, you pick
me: mexican it is
her 10 years later: oh my god you always made me go to that mexican place
me: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

After long years of this exact thing, I finally figured it out. First of all, she thinks you can read her mind and thus already knows what she wants. She also assumes she can read you mind and knows what you want. So, to her, when you ask her to pick you are actually asking her to chose what (she thinks) she knows that you want. Because if you REALLY wanted to go where she wanted you would just do it. By reflecting the choice back to you she is expecting you to chose her preference instead of your own. This is a sort of test: if you chose what she wants (without her ever actually telling you what that is) then you are a kind, sensitive, loving man. If you don't and actually take her words "you choose" to mean you are free to actually chose what you want then you are completely insensitive and don't care about her wants, needs, and feelings. The idea that you can't read her mind, asked her what she wanted in order to get the acual information, and generally took all the words said by both parties at face value will simply never occur to her. You're a dick that mistreats her is all she'll take away.


I think I'll just root around the fridge for leftovers
 
2013-04-22 04:16:51 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-22 04:26:08 PM  

AdrienVeidt: We'll, im convinced. Time to lop off my cock so I can be a better person. Who's with me, boys?


You don't have to go to body mutilation. You just have to stop seeing them as women and treat them as you would men. It does occasionally drive them insane when they are putting out I'm a poor widdle girl help me signals and you ignore them, but hey that is the breaks. You wanted to be my equal well you are welcome to the shiat sandwich I eat on a daily basis.
 
2013-04-22 04:34:44 PM  
[i172.photobucket.com image 584x501]

I just call that free eye shadow...

Was joking with the wife on Friday while driving out of town

Me: Has that lake always been there (was more of a large pond)
Her: haha that's not a lake...
Me: Keep it up and you won't need any eye shadow tomorrow
 
2013-04-22 04:35:21 PM  

Z1P2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Sid_6.7: teto85: 25.media.tumblr.com

You're reading what passes as "feminist critique" among the more modern and less intellectually interested "feminists".

Unlike the feminist of yore, which might have actually had many fine and insightful points to make about how society tends to emphasize and favor the "masculine" over the "feminine" (no, really, guy here, and a lot of feminism is interesting philosophically!), this author, like many of her ilk, have been reduced to complaining about men complaining.

Which, really, is about the opposite of feminism. Hey, lady, how about you stop obsessing over what men say and do, and forge your own place in the world? Yeah, didn't think so, that would be too hard, wouldn't it?

And she's really trying to be funny, but managing to come off as even less funny and more pissy than most conservative "comedians".

Sad.

/and that's what you're reading!

\when did feminism stop being about equality?
\\equality is what I still look to create and what my GF and I are all about.

Feminism stopped being about equality back in the 1990's. If you still only want equality, then you're a racist, extremist hardcore conservative douchebag. How dare you think that men should have the same opportunities as women! Don't you know that's racist?!


IT would be so hard not to break out into hysterical laughter when confronted with someone like that in real life.

On a sort of related note... I once got a free pitcher of beer from my campus pub by going over to the food court and ordering a couple terriyaki chicken skewers and eating them while I meandered over to a pro-vegan Peta booth and asking out the girl manning the booth. She was less than amused. The bartenders at the Bear's lair were more so. =D
 
2013-04-22 04:41:05 PM  
It's weird that Jezebel gives advice about coping with men in relationships when the bulk of their readers don't get into relationships with men.

It's kind of like if a 1993 issue of Nintendo Power printed an article about the best way to get the most out of your Sega Genesis.
 
2013-04-22 04:43:01 PM  

FrancoFile: Actually, replace "man" with "introvert" in those quotes, and the guy is spot-on.


You're right.

Apparently, he had some sort of freak study where he managed to get only introverted men to participate.
 
2013-04-22 04:48:44 PM  

ZeroCorpse: It's weird that Jezebel gives advice about coping with men in relationships when the bulk of their readers don't get into relationships with men.

It's kind of like if a 1993 issue of Nintendo Power printed an article about the best way to get the most out of your Sega Genesis.


Aha.  From now on, "Sega Genesis" is going to be code for "Lesbian"
 
2013-04-22 05:07:41 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Women and gay men tend to want more drama in their lives.  Straight men want less.


HELL NO. That's bullshiat.

Gay men don't want drama - our relationships work because we don't do the drama thing.

And those that do, well they deserve each other.
 
2013-04-22 05:25:47 PM  

FrancoFile: ZeroCorpse: It's weird that Jezebel gives advice about coping with men in relationships when the bulk of their readers don't get into relationships with men.

It's kind of like if a 1993 issue of Nintendo Power printed an article about the best way to get the most out of your Sega Genesis.

Aha.  From now on, "Sega Genesis" is going to be code for "Lesbian"


Oh, Jezebel readers aren't lesbians. They just can't find a man willing to put up with their nonsense.
 
2013-04-22 05:37:43 PM  

Cato: namatad: dustygrimp: Current biggest pet peeve with regard to communication is that I hate getting answers to questions I haven't asked.

Me: What do you want for dinner?
Her: If you want to make that chicken we bought the other day I can find something else.
Me: Ok.  What do you want for dinner?
Her: It doesn't matter.  You can have the chicken.

Please, just answer the question I asked, not the question you think I am asking.

hahahaha
me: where do you want to go for dinner
her: I dont care, you pick
me: mexican it is
her 10 years later: oh my god you always made me go to that mexican place
me: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

After long years of this exact thing, I finally figured it out. First of all, she thinks you can read her mind and thus already knows what she wants. She also assumes she can read you mind and knows what you want. So, to her, when you ask her to pick you are actually asking her to chose what (she thinks) she knows that you want. Because if you REALLY wanted to go where she wanted you would just do it. By reflecting the choice back to you she is expecting you to chose her preference instead of your own. This is a sort of test: if you chose what she wants (without her ever actually telling you what that is) then you are a kind, sensitive, loving man. If you don't and actually take her words "you choose" to mean you are free to actually chose what you want then you are completely insensitive and don't care about her wants, needs, and feelings. The idea that you can't read her mind, asked her what she wanted in order to get the acual information, and generally took all the words said by both parties at face value will simply never occur to her. You're a dick that mistreats her is all she'll take away.


That's... insane. It's like trying to be in a relationship with a toddler.

Straight guys actually have to put up with this shiat?
 
2013-04-22 05:56:12 PM  

WhippingBoy: FrancoFile: ZeroCorpse: It's weird that Jezebel gives advice about coping with men in relationships when the bulk of their readers don't get into relationships with men.

It's kind of like if a 1993 issue of Nintendo Power printed an article about the best way to get the most out of your Sega Genesis.

Aha.  From now on, "Sega Genesis" is going to be code for "Lesbian"

Oh, Jezebel readers aren't lesbians. They just can't find a man willing to put up with their nonsense.


That's how lesbians are made.  Women who for whatever reason can't attract men eventually decide to re-define their failure as a "choice" and just pair off with other woman who also can't attract men.  It's a defense mechanism and also why lesbians tend to be so bitter.
 
2013-04-22 06:08:13 PM  

JesusJuice: WhippingBoy: FrancoFile: ZeroCorpse: It's weird that Jezebel gives advice about coping with men in relationships when the bulk of their readers don't get into relationships with men.

It's kind of like if a 1993 issue of Nintendo Power printed an article about the best way to get the most out of your Sega Genesis.

Aha.  From now on, "Sega Genesis" is going to be code for "Lesbian"

Oh, Jezebel readers aren't lesbians. They just can't find a man willing to put up with their nonsense.

That's how lesbians are made.  Women who for whatever reason can't attract men eventually decide to re-define their failure as a "choice" and just pair off with other woman who also can't attract men.  It's a defense mechanism and also why lesbians tend to be so bitter.


Sad to say (from my perspective), that isn't entirely true.  I know several lesbians who have their issues--as does everyone else--but all they would have to do is snap their fingers to have the average hetero male with his pants around his ankles saying "You wanna?"  As an ex-boyfriend of Mrs Homely stated, "some of them are wastes of perfectly good women."  (His words)

I have seen that, for at least the ones I have met, it is not a lack of being able to find a man--it is more of not wanting one at all/anymore.  I just shrug my shoulders and appreciate the fact that they can be happy as they are, while I do my best to be happy as I am.

NOTE:  I have don't have as much experience with butch lesbians, so I may be wrong on some points, but they seem to strike me as having a preference vs. having no choice.

You are now free to carry on the bashing, whatever your orientation may be...
 
2013-04-22 06:16:23 PM  

FrancoFile: ZeroCorpse: It's weird that Jezebel gives advice about coping with men in relationships when the bulk of their readers don't get into relationships with men.

It's kind of like if a 1993 issue of Nintendo Power printed an article about the best way to get the most out of your Sega Genesis.

Aha.  From now on, "Sega Genesis" is going to be code for "Lesbian"


I gotta find that back issue of Nintendo Power.

I certainly want to get the most out of my lesbian!
 
2013-04-22 06:31:01 PM  

gglibertine: Of course, such men can always settle for that passive-aggressive nonsense, but it gets awfully boring listening to you complain about it.


Heheheheh. Nice example of not being passive-aggressive. ;)
 
2013-04-22 06:31:42 PM  
Step 8. Duh, you have other holes, too, dummy-kins. Like 19, if you really think about it.
===============================================

Wha? 19? On a human being?
 
2013-04-22 06:34:02 PM  

PsiChick: ...This is Fark. You have a username, and presumably you know how to post. How the fark do you not know what 'sarcasm' is and that the writer is, in fact,  mocking the point of view they are pretending to emulate?


I know what sarcasm is but I also believe that TFAuthor is giving the reader a wink and a nudge with sarcasm as a shield.
 
2013-04-22 06:34:36 PM  

JesusJuice: It's a defense mechanism and also why lesbians tend to be so bitter.


Uh?  I haven't met the sort.  Most women either lower their standards or start collecting cats.  Some of them find religion.

I've befriended a number of lesbians and bisexual women; while they were figuring out who they were (because let's face it, society pressures everyone to think they're straight), they did not have ANY problems getting attention.  If they were bitter at all, it's because most men couldn't handle the fact that they were interested in girls, which would invariably lead to disrespect, then arguments and finally the men concluding they were bitter attention whores because they "can't take a joke".  You know, the same "let's have a threesome/can I watch" joke EVERY straight guy thinks of when he finds out an attractive woman is into other women.
 
2013-04-22 06:48:34 PM  

dragonchild: JesusJuice: It's a defense mechanism and also why lesbians tend to be so bitter.

Uh?  I haven't met the sort.  Most women either lower their standards or start collecting cats.  Some of them find religion.

I've befriended a number of lesbians and bisexual women; while they were figuring out who they were (because let's face it, society pressures everyone to think they're straight), they did not have ANY problems getting attention.  If they were bitter at all, it's because most men couldn't handle the fact that they were interested in girls, which would invariably lead to disrespect, then arguments and finally the men concluding they were bitter attention whores because they "can't take a joke".  You know, the same "let's have a threesome/can I watch" joke EVERY straight guy thinks of when he finds out an attractive woman is into other women.


Sounds like you're dealing with college-aged "lesbians."  They eventually come around.
 
2013-04-22 07:04:58 PM  

WhippingBoy: PsiChick: Ah, the classic error of attributing a higher cause, like the battle of the sexes, to a simple question of whether or not most of the thread is reading at a third-grade level.

Do you honestly believe that you're the only one who "got" what the Jezebel article's author was trying to do? Do you honestly believe that???


...I'm torn now between outright explaining that no, I don't, I'm just being subtle and insulting everyone for acting like twerps, and stringing you along to see if I can get you to think I think there are purple unicorns in my backyard. :p

Monkeyhouse Zendo: PsiChick: ...This is Fark. You have a username, and presumably you know how to post. How the fark do you not know what 'sarcasm' is and that the writer is, in fact,  mocking the point of view they are pretending to emulate?

I know what sarcasm is but I also believe that TFAuthor is giving the reader a wink and a nudge with sarcasm as a shield.


Wink and nudge about  what? How men are childlike? To be honest, the only people I've met who honestly believe that are  men. Women really don't tend to think that.
 
2013-04-22 07:09:32 PM  

JesusJuice: Sounds like you're dealing with college-aged "lesbians." They eventually come around.


Nope.  Knew a couple of those and yes, they did come around.  But for the real deal that's another common assumption that makes life a pain in the ass sometimes.
 
2013-04-22 07:21:51 PM  

dragonchild: JesusJuice: Sounds like you're dealing with college-aged "lesbians." They eventually come around.

Nope.  Knew a couple of those and yes, they did come around.  But for the real deal that's another common assumption that makes life a pain in the ass sometimes.


I'm not saying that women who actually prefer other women don't exist, just that more commonly lesbianism has to do with being unable to attract a man, or sleeping with your college roommate because it's convenient/will piss off your parents.
 
2013-04-22 07:43:58 PM  

PsiChick: Wink and nudge about  what? How men are childlike? To be honest, the only people I've met who honestly believe that are  men. Women really don't tend to think that.


You're right, it must be all those straw women complaining that the manchildren need to get with the program and provide advantageous prospects for partnership. Those calls of "where are all the good men" and that men need to "man up" are all from people who most decidedly do not originate in Scotland.

But perhaps they only say these things and write articles denigrating a psychologist for suggesting that what a man might want is five farking minutes of peace when he walks in the door due to internalized patriarchy.
 
2013-04-22 07:45:53 PM  

JesusJuice: I'm not saying that women who actually prefer other women don't exist, just that more commonly lesbianism has to do with being unable to attract a man, or sleeping with your college roommate because it's convenient/will piss off your parents.


Very few college age women are unable to attract a man. Those that claim they can't simply mean that they can't attract the sort of men that they want.
 
2013-04-22 07:50:03 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: PsiChick: Wink and nudge about  what? How men are childlike? To be honest, the only people I've met who honestly believe that are  men. Women really don't tend to think that.

You're right, it must be all those straw women complaining that the manchildren need to get with the program and provide advantageous prospects for partnership. Those calls of "where are all the good men" and that men need to "man up" are all from people who most decidedly do not originate in Scotland.

But perhaps they only say these things and write articles denigrating a psychologist for suggesting that what a man might want is five farking minutes of peace when he walks in the door due to internalized patriarchy.


A) Those calls are there because most adults are damn well aware that manchildren are entirely capable of acting like adults and  choosing not to--men are the ones who claim they are  not capable of making that choice.

B) That article was mocked because it's utter insanity. First, introverts do like to come home to peace and quiet. What exactly do you think an  extrovert wants to come home to? And second, what exactly is the  woman supposed to do when  she comes home? Or are these two people just in a relationship where they don't talk to each other? What the mocked article described wasn't a relationship, it was glorified bachelordom with a mother figure doing laundry.
 
2013-04-22 07:54:07 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: JesusJuice: I'm not saying that women who actually prefer other women don't exist, just that more commonly lesbianism has to do with being unable to attract a man, or sleeping with your college roommate because it's convenient/will piss off your parents.

Very few college age women are unable to attract a man. Those that claim they can't simply mean that they can't attract the sort of men that they want.


Instead of saying "attract a man" maybe I should have said "find a man."  Anyway, being unable to find a man because your standards are unrealistically high still means being unable to find a man.

Besides, most college-aged lesbians fall into the "convenience/piss off parents" camp rather than the "can't find a man camp."
 
2013-04-22 08:16:39 PM  

JesusJuice: Besides, most college-aged lesbians fall into the "convenience/piss off parents" camp rather than the "can't find a man camp."


Maybe, but who a person decides to sleep with is none of your goddamn business, let alone why.
 
2013-04-22 08:19:44 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: AdrienVeidt: We'll, im convinced. Time to lop off my cock so I can be a better person. Who's with me, boys?

You don't have to go to body mutilation. You just have to stop seeing them as women and treat them as you would men. It does occasionally drive them insane when they are putting out I'm a poor widdle girl help me signals and you ignore them, but hey that is the breaks. You wanted to be my equal well you are welcome to the shiat sandwich I eat on a daily basis.


Spending a lot of time with Rosy Palm these days, huh?
 
2013-04-22 08:20:02 PM  

PsiChick: A) Those calls are there because most adults are damn well aware that manchildren are entirely capable of acting like adults and  choosing not to--men are the ones who claim they are  not capable of making that choice.


You're right, I forgot that everything negative said about either gender is either due to a man enforcing patriarchy or a woman who has either internalized patriarchy or is speaking truth to power patriarchy.

PsiChick: B) That article was mocked because it's utter insanity. First, introverts do like to come home to peace and quiet. What exactly do you think an  extrovert wants to come home to? And second, what exactly is the  woman supposed to do when  she comes home? Or are these two people just in a relationship where they don't talk to each other? What the mocked article described wasn't a relationship, it was glorified bachelordom with a mother figure doing laundry.


The article that was being mocked rather than rebutted simply asserted that there are a few things that men commonly need. I don't believe it extended its premise to all men everywhere so you're just throwing out a red herring with the "what about teh extrovertz". Similarly, the article was about men, not women. Why do you insist that every discussion be about women and their needs?

Also, what is wrong with being a bachelor? I have a number of friends who are bachelors or have opted not to remarry following a divorce and they generally seem much happier than my married friends.
 
2013-04-22 08:25:50 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: Spending a lot of time with Rosy Palm these days, huh?


When I was in college and later in my twenties and early thirties I discovered that the bigger an asshole I was, the more I ignored women rather than pursue them, the more I got laid. The more concern and gentleness I displayed the less likely I was to get that particular woman into bed.

I have said and done things that literally shocked me and been unfailingly rewarded for it. My wife, the poor woman, says that I am the kindest, most caring man she knows and an unmitigated asshole when I choose to be.
 
2013-04-22 08:33:35 PM  
I like how Fark magically started to "mock" Jezebel in headlines instead of linking it in earnest.
Whatever gives more page clicks to the Gawker (featured partner) network, eh Drew?
 
2013-04-22 08:50:27 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste:
while we've only been dating for a year, I've been asking her out for 15 years and we've been best friends for 25 =3

i.imgur.com

/I had to, sorry
 
2013-04-22 08:58:02 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Also, what is wrong with being a bachelor? I have a number of friends who are bachelors or have opted not to remarry following a divorce and they generally seem much happier than my married friends.


Are they in their 60's yet?
 
2013-04-22 09:10:34 PM  
It's like people can't figure out that if you have to work to make the other person happy, that's a bad sign. Making the other person happy should come as naturally as breathing.
 
2013-04-22 09:21:23 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: PsiChick: A) Those calls are there because most adults are damn well aware that manchildren are entirely capable of acting like adults and  choosing not to--men are the ones who claim they are  not capable of making that choice.

You're right, I forgot that everything negative said about either gender is either due to a man enforcing patriarchy or a woman who has either internalized patriarchy or is speaking truth to power patriarchy.

PsiChick: B) That article was mocked because it's utter insanity. First, introverts do like to come home to peace and quiet. What exactly do you think an  extrovert wants to come home to? And second, what exactly is the  woman supposed to do when  she comes home? Or are these two people just in a relationship where they don't talk to each other? What the mocked article described wasn't a relationship, it was glorified bachelordom with a mother figure doing laundry.

The article that was being mocked rather than rebutted simply asserted that there are a few things that men commonly need. I don't believe it extended its premise to all men everywhere so you're just throwing out a red herring with the "what about teh extrovertz". Similarly, the article was about men, not women. Why do you insist that every discussion be about women and their needs?

Also, what is wrong with being a bachelor? I have a number of friends who are bachelors or have opted not to remarry following a divorce and they generally seem much happier than my married friends.


1) Are you actually trying to argue that being a manchild is an  inherent state of men? Didn't you start this argument out calling Jezebel out for (in your mind) doing exactly the same?

2) You didn't actually  read the article, did you? It was a creepy, pandering bunch of shiat, intended to spell out What Men Wanted(tm) and how women should give it to them. Anytime you discuss What X Want, you're automatically wrong, because no group of humans is the same.

3) I'm discussing what women want because we're discussing relationships. (And, as Jezebel pointed out, gender roles are not supposed to play a part in relationships; people are.) There are two people in a relationship. Not one. Two.

4) Dude,  I'm single. I have no problem whatsofarkingever with bachelors, I just have a problem with people demanding everyone act like they're marrying someone who obviously doesn't want to be married. If they don't want to be married, that's their problem, not their partner's.
 
2013-04-22 09:39:30 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Uchiha_Cycliste:
while we've only been dating for a year, I've been asking her out for 15 years and we've been best friends for 25 =3

[i.imgur.com image 289x1500]

/I had to, sorry


What can I say, everyone's gotta have some strategy. =D
 
2013-04-22 09:45:55 PM  

dragonchild: JesusJuice: Besides, most college-aged lesbians fall into the "convenience/piss off parents" camp rather than the "can't find a man camp."

Maybe, but who a person decides to sleep with is none of your goddamn business, let alone why.


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2013-04-22 09:50:51 PM  
it's funny to think that there are men on here doing the exact thing they don't (didn't?) like their woman doing...

everything you need fits in a bag and you can carry clothes on your shoulders.

the road is your friend.
 
2013-04-22 10:09:56 PM  
God-is-a-taco

Seriously though, she persisted in saying no because she feared for out friendship is things ever turned South. Meant it too, not just using it as a convenient excuse. I even asked her out to Prom before I asked my gf at the time (with my gf's blessing and quite possibly at her urging). She said no of course, but the four of us went as a group together.
 
2013-04-22 10:25:56 PM  

PsiChick: 1) Are you actually trying to argue that being a manchild is an  inherent state of men? Didn't you start this argument out calling Jezebel out for (in your mind) doing exactly the same?


This habit you have of completely mischaracterizing other people's statements, it is a conscious thing or are you unaware of it's operation?
 
2013-04-22 10:37:36 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: PsiChick: 1) Are you actually trying to argue that being a manchild is an  inherent state of men? Didn't you start this argument out calling Jezebel out for (in your mind) doing exactly the same?

This habit you have of completely mischaracterizing other people's statements, it is a conscious thing or are you unaware of it's operation?


I believe your Weeners to me was along the lines of 'Jezebel's writers shouldn't be claiming men are all children'. That, or you were responding to the conversation agreeing with that poster. Either way, I'm not exactly sure why anyone should think you  don't hold that position...
 
2013-04-22 10:49:34 PM  

Frederick: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Also, what is wrong with being a bachelor? I have a number of friends who are bachelors or have opted not to remarry following a divorce and they generally seem much happier than my married friends.

Are they in their 60's yet?


That makes a difference? Are they not happier? Probably could find a 40 something on Match.com for them...start the dance all over...
 
2013-04-22 10:52:27 PM  

PsiChick: I believe your Weeners to me was along the lines of 'Jezebel's writers shouldn't be claiming men are all children'. That, or you were responding to the conversation agreeing with that poster. Either way, I'm not exactly sure why anyone should think you  don't hold that position...


My "Weeners", which was neither addressed to you nor in response to anything you posted was that the TFAuthor's view of men is summed up in her first few sentences where she likens men to appliances, sarcastically casts them as "rugged warriors", then children. She then follows that up with crocodile tears regarding just how hard it is for men.

I know it's useful for you to pretend that this is little more than poorly executed comedy but, to me, it appears to be a crafted attempt to appeal to the baser impulses of her target audience and is either a true reflection of her beliefs or crass pandering.
 
2013-04-22 10:57:16 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: PsiChick: I believe your Weeners to me was along the lines of 'Jezebel's writers shouldn't be claiming men are all children'. That, or you were responding to the conversation agreeing with that poster. Either way, I'm not exactly sure why anyone should think you  don't hold that position...

My "Weeners", which was neither addressed to you nor in response to anything you posted was that the TFAuthor's view of men is summed up in her first few sentences where she likens men to appliances, sarcastically casts them as "rugged warriors", then children. She then follows that up with crocodile tears regarding just how hard it is for men.

I know it's useful for you to pretend that this is little more than poorly executed comedy but, to me, it appears to be a crafted attempt to appeal to the baser impulses of her target audience and is either a true reflection of her beliefs or crass pandering.


So how exactly is that different from my argument that men are not, in fact, appliances or children, and that this was a sarcastic way of saying men, like women, should act like adults?
 
2013-04-22 11:12:36 PM  

PsiChick: So how exactly is that different from my argument that men are not, in fact, appliances or children, and that this was a sarcastic way of saying men, like women, should act like adults?


I honestly have no idea what meandering point you're attempting to make by engaging me in this discussion. Your every response is like reading through a funhouse mirror.

I found the Jezebel article odious in its snide derision. The character and tone of the original text are warped and parodied into a caricature. Rather than read the referred article with the most generous interpretation, the worst is assumed in order to provide an easy target for a blogger with an ax to grind.

Is this really what you want to be defending?
 
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