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(Washington Post)   Last year's deadly Taliban attack that destroyed 6 Marine Harrier jets at Camp Bastion succeeded due to a lack of guards all along the watchtowers, too much confusion, inability to get relief   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 50
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2013-04-22 06:53:33 AM
Excuse me while I kiss this guy.
 
2013-04-22 07:01:23 AM
You and I we've been through that. And this is not our fate.
 
2013-04-22 07:02:47 AM

tonguedepressor: Excuse me while I kiss this guy.


cdn.inquisitr.com

mmmmwut?
 
2013-04-22 07:03:24 AM
This is hardly any reason to get exited, now is it?
 
2013-04-22 07:03:38 AM
I would +1 you, smitty, but Drew hates mobile Fark users.
 
2013-04-22 07:04:38 AM
Where the frack is that music coming from?
 
2013-04-22 07:12:00 AM

the_rhino: Where the frack is that music coming from?


cfs4.tistory.com

Where indeed.
 
2013-04-22 07:12:32 AM
Harriers achieved personhood!
 
2013-04-22 07:15:30 AM
lol... they literally just walked in and blew them up with hand grenades.  Here is the gist of it:

Instead of placing their own soldiers in the towers, British commanders handed the job to troops from the Pacific island of Tonga, which has sent 55 soldiers to Afghanistan.

Several watchtowers at Bastion were manned at the time, but the Tongan soldiers in those posts could not observe the area around the empty tower, the officials said

Long-standing U.S. military security protocols permit towers to be unoccupied only if other posts can observe the unmanned tower's entire area of responsibility.

"You can't defend everywhere every day," Gurganus said in response to a question about the attack. "You base your security on the threat you've got." He said the Taliban caught "a lucky break."

Marine officers also had been concerned about the performance of the Tongan troops, who were sometimes found asleep at their posts.

 Despite the troop reduction, several officers stationed at Leatherneck at the time said many Marines with idle time could have been assigned to guard duty. Instead, some of them took online college classes and others worked out in the gym twice a day. And two weeks after the attack, a Texas hold 'em poker tournament was held at one of the recreation centers at Leatherneck.

The Marine Corps has sought to focus attention on the heroic response of Marine aviators during the attack. Mechanics, supply clerks and pilots grabbed rifles and ran onto the flight line to fight the insurgents, who had split into three five-man teams.  Lt. Col. Christopher Raible, a Harrier squadron commander (killed in the attack), charged into the combat zone armed with only a handgun.
Had Raible and his fellow Marines not responded so quickly, senior officers said they believe, the human toll and property damage would have been far worse. "Their actions prevented an even greater loss," one of the officers said. "But they never should have been put in that position in the first place."
 
2013-04-22 07:15:36 AM
this is what happens when The Monkees are booked to open
 
2013-04-22 07:20:23 AM

lobotomy survivor: This is hardly any reason to get exited, now is it?


Came here to say this.
 
2013-04-22 07:26:30 AM
I think the attack was staged by Lockheed Martin, just to shore up support for the F-35 by cutting into USMC operational readiness of remaining Harriers.

/and cause they're evil
//Tonga!
 
2013-04-22 07:30:33 AM
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowoilmen dig my earth
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth.


At least this f*cker looks closer to death:

i.i.com.com
 
2013-04-22 07:31:46 AM
So basically, complacency.
 
2013-04-22 07:31:59 AM
i33.tinypic.com

/I got nothing.
 
2013-04-22 07:34:25 AM

T-Servo: I think the attack was staged by Lockheed Martin, just to shore up support for the F-35 by cutting into USMC operational readiness of remaining Harriers.


Can't have been, or else there would have been a major flaw in the design of the attack that set it back five years and put it 200% over budget.  Then, when it did finally get going it would have killed it's participants.
 
2013-04-22 07:44:38 AM
I would have said something about Bastion not saying her name.
 
2013-04-22 07:46:24 AM
Well at least we've defeated the Taliban and turned that nation in to an America loving democracy.
 
2013-04-22 07:46:31 AM
I would liken this to team Plan B's loss to team Power in the Australian Gold promotional video production on Celebrity Apprentice.

Sometimes you lose. You can second guess the reasons you lost, but even if you had all the foresight in the world, someone's going to win in the end, and it isn't always going to be you.
 
2013-04-22 07:48:10 AM

Alonjar: lol... they literally just walked in and blew them up with hand grenades.  Here is the gist of it:

Instead of placing their own soldiers in the towers, British commanders handed the job to troops from the Pacific island of Tonga, which has sent 55 soldiers to Afghanistan.

Several watchtowers at Bastion were manned at the time, but the Tongan soldiers in those posts could not observe the area around the empty tower, the officials said

Long-standing U.S. military security protocols permit towers to be unoccupied only if other posts can observe the unmanned tower's entire area of responsibility.

"You can't defend everywhere every day," Gurganus said in response to a question about the attack. "You base your security on the threat you've got." He said the Taliban caught "a lucky break."

Marine officers also had been concerned about the performance of the Tongan troops, who were sometimes found asleep at their posts.

 Despite the troop reduction, several officers stationed at Leatherneck at the time said many Marines with idle time could have been assigned to guard duty. Instead, some of them took online college classes and others worked out in the gym twice a day. And two weeks after the attack, a Texas hold 'em poker tournament was held at one of the recreation centers at Leatherneck.

The Marine Corps has sought to focus attention on the heroic response of Marine aviators during the attack. Mechanics, supply clerks and pilots grabbed rifles and ran onto the flight line to fight the insurgents, who had split into three five-man teams.  Lt. Col. Christopher Raible, a Harrier squadron commander (killed in the attack), charged into the combat zone armed with only a handgun.
Had Raible and his fellow Marines not responded so quickly, senior officers said they believe, the human toll and property damage would have been far worse. "Their actions prevented an even greater loss," one of the officers said. "But they never should have been put in that position in the first place."


God dang Tongans! If it werent for Ming and his death grip we would have cut ties long ago.
 
2013-04-22 07:50:49 AM
I'd blame the castles made of sand.
 
2013-04-22 07:51:31 AM

Alonjar: "You can't defend everywhere every day," Gurganus said in response to a question about the attack. "You base your security on the threat you've got." He said the Taliban caught "a lucky break."


So, there was too much confusion? Perhaps the Tongan troops should have been relieved?
 
2013-04-22 07:54:26 AM
Hey Mohammed, where you going with that gun in your hand?
 
2013-04-22 08:10:01 AM
 the top U.S. commander on the base did not order a formal investigation into the security lapses

If the problem was obvious, why investigate?
 
2013-04-22 08:12:19 AM
So it's basically like Benghazi except we can't blame Obama?
 
2013-04-22 08:16:58 AM
This is Obama's Behghazi.
 
2013-04-22 08:27:23 AM

here to help: This is Obama's Behghazi.


Shows what you know. Benghazi is already in Afghanistan, the next city over from the Czech Republic where the Boston bombers are from.
 
2013-04-22 08:27:44 AM
Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.
 
2013-04-22 08:30:38 AM
This the British officer in charge???

bluurb.files.wordpress.com

/Hot sir? Why, yes Sir!
 
2013-04-22 08:39:07 AM

Alonjar: lol... they literally just walked in and blew them up with hand grenades.  Here is the gist of it:

Instead of placing their own soldiers in the towers, British commanders handed the job to troops from the Pacific island of Tonga, which has sent 55 soldiers to Afghanistan.

Several watchtowers at Bastion were manned at the time, but the Tongan soldiers in those posts could not observe the area around the empty tower, the officials said

Long-standing U.S. military security protocols permit towers to be unoccupied only if other posts can observe the unmanned tower's entire area of responsibility.

"You can't defend everywhere every day," Gurganus said in response to a question about the attack. "You base your security on the threat you've got." He said the Taliban caught "a lucky break."

Marine officers also had been concerned about the performance of the Tongan troops, who were sometimes found asleep at their posts.

 Despite the troop reduction, several officers stationed at Leatherneck at the time said many Marines with idle time could have been assigned to guard duty. Instead, some of them took online college classes and others worked out in the gym twice a day. And two weeks after the attack, a Texas hold 'em poker tournament was held at one of the recreation centers at Leatherneck.

The Marine Corps has sought to focus attention on the heroic response of Marine aviators during the attack. Mechanics, supply clerks and pilots grabbed rifles and ran onto the flight line to fight the insurgents, who had split into three five-man teams.  Lt. Col. Christopher Raible, a Harrier squadron commander (killed in the attack), charged into the combat zone armed with only a handgun.
Had Raible and his fellow Marines not responded so quickly, senior officers said they believe, the human toll and property damage would have been far worse. "Their actions prevented an even greater loss," one of the officers said. "But they never should have been put in that position in the first place."


The kid walks into the Bastion. It's guarded by Tongans, low-level troops before the Calamity, now demoralized. They provide no threat to the kid. Bye bye Harriers.
 
2013-04-22 08:44:55 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.


I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of

lineout.thestranger.com

AAAWWWWWWW ALOOOOOONG DA WAAAATCHTOUUUWWEUUUUURRR
 
2013-04-22 08:48:13 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: The kid walks into the Bastion. It's guarded by Tongans, low-level troops before the Calamity, now demoralized. They provide no threat to the kid. Bye bye Harriers.


*single tear*
*slow clap*
 
2013-04-22 08:55:59 AM
They parked them too close together. Where did I hear that before?
 
2013-04-22 09:01:40 AM
You want me on that wall.  You need me on that wall.  Too bad I'm not ON that wall!

/I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post
//Either way, I don't give a damn...
 
2013-04-22 09:12:51 AM
Perhaps the troops were suffering Manic Depression from the Purple Haze that blew down from all of the Crosstown Traffic.

/and so on...
 
2013-04-22 09:21:12 AM
Obviously, Obama ordered the guard towers unguarded so his Al Queda allies could do attack.
 
2013-04-22 09:41:44 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Along_the_Watchtower#The_Jimi_Hendr ix _Experience
Dylan has described his reaction to hearing Hendrix's version: "It overwhelmed me, really. He had such talent, he could find things inside a song and vigorously develop them. He found things that other people wouldn't think of finding in there. He probably improved upon it by the spaces he was using. I took license with the song from his version, actually, and continue to do it to this day. In the booklet accompanying his album, Dylan said: "I liked Jimi Hendrix's record of this and ever since he died I've been doing it that way... Strange how when I sing it, I always feel it's a tribute to him in some kind of way."
 
2013-04-22 09:49:55 AM

the_rhino: Where the frack is that music coming from?


IT'S IN THE FRRRRACKIN SHIP!!!!
 
2013-04-22 10:25:09 AM
All Along The Watchtower: is it the Book of Isaiah or Menelaus and Odysseus, as ambassadors, arriving at Troy to demand the return of Helen?
 
2013-04-22 10:53:10 AM
"You can't defend everywhere every day," Gurganus said in response to a question about the attack. "You base your security on the threat you've got." He said the Taliban caught "a lucky break."

Since 2001, Helmand province was considered to be a Taliban stronghold and had been one of the most dangerous provinces for coalition forces in Afghanistan, with British troops being locked in a stalemate since 2006. The large expanse of land made controlling the province difficult, while volunteers from across the Muslim world and hundreds of local Afghan nationals continued to join the insurgency.

Apparently, you don't base your security on the threat you've got.

Just like old Ronald Reagan.

At around 6:20 a.m., a yellow Mercedes-Benz truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the1st Battalion 8th Marines under the 2nd Marine Division had set up its local headquarters. The truck was not the water truck they had been expecting, but a hijacked truck carrying explosives. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and drove toward the lobby of the marine headquarters. The sentries at the gate were operating under rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber). By the time the two sentries were able to engage, the truck was already heading towards the building's entry way, armed.

241 American servicemen killed.

Thanks, Ronnie.
 
2013-04-22 11:20:23 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.


Dylan wrote it and did it first, but Hendrix did it better.  Even Dylan thinks the Hendrix version is better.
 
2013-04-22 11:41:46 AM

Neondistraction: The_Original_Roxtar: Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.

Dylan wrote it and did it first, but Hendrix did it better.  Even Dylan thinks the Hendrix version is better.


Well there are plenty of Dylan songs someone else did better. Johnny Cash did the best Long Black Veil.
 
2013-04-22 11:47:06 AM
Ok, so they're making it sound as if security was not a priority. Anyone who knows anything about securing a FOB that big with a perimeter that encompasses an entire airfiled AND an adjoining Main Operating Base is no small task. With manpower the way it was at the time, give me a freaking break, we can't have every single person out doing patrols or manning every single watch tower. It's just not possible. And the implications that people were busy farking off doing their own personal things when they could have been gainfully employed on watch is a cop out. It's not like people were putting in 8 hour days.
 
2013-04-22 12:38:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8cELTdtw6U

I'll just leave that here...
 
2013-04-22 12:49:21 PM

almandot: The_Original_Roxtar: Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of

[lineout.thestranger.com image 400x550]

AAAWWWWWWW ALOOOOOONG DA WAAAATCHTOUUUWWEUUUUURRR


No reason to get excited *BAHHHHH*
 
2013-04-22 01:01:58 PM

Gonz: Alonjar: "You can't defend everywhere every day," Gurganus said in response to a question about the attack. "You base your security on the threat you've got." He said the Taliban caught "a lucky break."

So, there was too much confusion? Perhaps the Tongan troops should have been relieved?


No, we shouldn't have let a princess keep the view, while the husband came and went, and barefoot servants too.
 
2013-04-22 01:29:03 PM
*blink*

OK, I see that anything I fart in here would just be gredunza so....um....right.
 
2013-04-22 01:38:46 PM

Oldiron_79: Well there are plenty of Dylan songs someone else did better. Johnny Cash did the best Long Black Veil.


...uhhh...
 
2013-04-23 01:16:08 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: Interesting to see the split of people making Hendrix references vs Dylan references.


Don't forget Neil
 
2013-04-23 05:55:57 PM
Those jets won't fly on, my sweet angel.
 
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