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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   "When I took my daughter to America, I didn't know I was doing wrong" says mother who fled Sweden to keep her daughter from her father. "America will take care of us"   (startribune.com) divider line 97
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2013-04-22 12:08:19 AM
Talbot? Go back to Gor.
 
2013-04-22 12:23:44 AM
Crazy chick meets progressively crazier guys.

Husband 1:  8 years, two kids
Husband 2:  1 year, one kid
Husband 3:  met online, married as soon as she hits town.

Boys, I am disappoint.
 
2013-04-22 12:37:54 AM
After reading the article, I would like to give a resounding "Bull-farking-shiat" to the mother.  Among other things, records show the Swedish government actually cancelled her visa after learning she was trying to leave the country with her daughter.  We know she found out about that, because she then went out of her way to get an American visa instead.

She knew she wasn't supposed to be taking the kid out of the country, but did it anyway.  Kidnapping, pure and simple.

I will reserve judgement on whether she's a bad person though, since I've read tons of family law cases where the system fails.  There's always the possibility that the abusive/child-molesting/dangerously insane party in a marriage somehow gets the upper hand in a court case and the other parent has no choice but to "kidnap" their kid to prevent them from being featured in child porn/helping their parent violently secede from the United States/etc.
 
2013-04-22 12:51:30 AM
We're inundated with amber alerts for dads that do less so in a fair system this lady should lose.
 
2013-04-22 01:11:54 AM
I've done about a dozen of these kinds of cases. The only thing the US court was deciding was "what was the child's place of habitual residence?" Once that question is answered, that's the jurisdiction that gets to decide which parent gets custody/how much custody each parent gets.

The US court's order is simply that "the Swedish courts will decide custody." Mom is free to keep the kid for now by going back to Sweden and fighting for custody there, raising whatever issues she wants/can. (Oops, mom has an arrest warrant in Sweden? Well, bad choices...) If she can convince the Swedish courts that the kid is better off in the US with mom, that's what they'll order. But it sounds like mom is a total flake, so good luck with that...
 
2013-04-22 02:45:54 AM

yukichigai: After reading the article, I would like to give a resounding "Bull-farking-shiat" to the mother.  Among other things, records show the Swedish government actually cancelled her visa after learning she was trying to leave the country with her daughter.  We know she found out about that, because she then went out of her way to get an American visa instead.

She knew she wasn't supposed to be taking the kid out of the country, but did it anyway.  Kidnapping, pure and simple.

I will reserve judgement on whether she's a bad person though, since I've read tons of family law cases where the system fails.  There's always the possibility that the abusive/child-molesting/dangerously insane party in a marriage somehow gets the upper hand in a court case and the other parent has no choice but to "kidnap" their kid to prevent them from being featured in child porn/helping their parent violently secede from the United States/etc.


I'm kinda with you in the sense if she was here to stay safe and disappear putting yourself in the news is not the way to go. You talk to an embassy and say if we go back there will be hell to pay. Please help! after you talk to a congresman. no part of this is help by going to the media.
 
2013-04-22 04:45:03 AM
I don't think this is a stable woman and she needs to stop breeding.
 
2013-04-22 05:09:58 AM
Yeaaaah... You knew exactly what you were doing and why you were doing it.
 
2013-04-22 05:18:28 AM
I want to thank subby and everyone involved in this article for again reminding me I've made the right choices in my life and avoided any of this bullshiat.
 
2013-04-22 05:24:02 AM

SecretAgentWoman: I don't think this is a stable woman and she needs to stop breeding.


DING! DING!

Seriously.
 
2013-04-22 05:25:15 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Crazy chick meets progressively crazier guys.

Husband 1:  8 years, two kids
Husband 2:  1 year, one kid
Husband 3:  met online, married as soon as she hits town.

Boys, I am disappoint.


You forgot something, she is expecting a child with husband number 3.
 
2013-04-22 05:31:54 AM

DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: Crazy chick meets progressively crazier guys.

Husband 1:  8 years, two kids
Husband 2:  1 year, one kid
Husband 3:  met online, married as soon as she hits town.

Boys, I am disappoint.

You forgot something, she is expecting a child with husband number 3.




Id like to point out that her first husband was a pilot. So its very likely the only reason that marriage lasted 8 years is because he was never around enough to get tired of her crazy.
 
2013-04-22 05:32:10 AM
As someone who has spent two decades overseas to stay with my kids I can only highlight, emphasize, and reiterate...... if you marry a foreigner on their own turf you have a 50% chance of being divorced and then almost no chance of taking any children back to your home country.  Time and again you see young people who are "totally in love" with that totally hot French/German/Swedish guy/girl and it's all such a big international adventure and then five years later they're divorced, broke, stuck overseas, missing their kids and suicidal.

Seriously, think real hard before you take that plunge.
 
2013-04-22 05:33:12 AM
Interpol is not known for their sense of humor.
 
2013-04-22 05:34:13 AM
tundratabloids.commedia-1.web.britannica.com

So it's a psychic, political, thriller comedy with a heart. With a heart, not unlike Ghost meets Manchurian Candidate.
 
2013-04-22 05:36:35 AM

DerAppie: BarkingUnicorn: Crazy chick meets progressively crazier guys.

Husband 1:  8 years, two kids
Husband 2:  1 year, one kid
Husband 3:  met online, married as soon as she hits town.

Boys, I am disappoint.

You forgot something, she is expecting a child with husband number 3.


Have to make sure you have that meal ticket nailed down.
 
2013-04-22 05:44:14 AM
Mariah Talbot filed her own document in U.S. federal court, alleging that Lejon gets drunk, shoved her against a wall when she was pregnant and may have engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior with Olivia. Talbot concedes she did not make that case in Swedish courts, after a court-appointed attorney told her that she could not raise the issue if she had no proof.

Ah, yes, the old "the other party is a psychotic, violent, drunken paedophile, and here are a few totally unprovable examples of that" approach.
 
2013-04-22 05:51:52 AM
lady's crazy, kid'll be better off in a civilized country with her dad. that is all
 
2013-04-22 05:56:30 AM
Wow. She is not stable.
 
2013-04-22 06:16:58 AM
Poor Chad.

There once was a guy named Talbot,
met a girl on Mingle, thought she was hot.
He shoplifted the pootie,
then found out she was fruity,
alas, wasn't 'fore he'd done tied the knot.
 
2013-04-22 06:27:41 AM
Is she hot? Cause if she is we'll treat her like royalty
 
2013-04-22 06:29:41 AM

furterfan: lady's crazy, kid'll be better off in a civilized country with her dad. that is all


There's nothing uncivilized about raising the kids in the US.  Mom's a nutter for sure.  But I wouldn't go out on a limb for Dad as, after all, he was dumb enough to marry a nutter.
 
2013-04-22 06:30:12 AM
Yeah...if you didn't think you were doing anything wrong, what did you think America was going to protect you from?  America is not a magic wand for you to wave to get out of your joint custody agreement.
 
2013-04-22 06:38:02 AM
No Catchy Nickname:
Ah, yes, the old "the other party is a psychotic, violent, drunken paedophile, and here are a few totally unprovable examples of that" approach.

Standard divorce procedure.
 
2013-04-22 06:43:22 AM
Yeah; international custody fights are not fun. I was watching CNN the other day; they profiled a guy that has 100% of the custody of his children; but hasn't seen them in a decade. How you ask? His Egyptian ex wife abducted his kids to Egypt a decade ago. Every time he tries to get his kids back; he gets laughed out of Egyptian court. CNN actually found the kids for him. They hate his guts; mostly because their mom poisoned them against their dad. And this guy still wants them back; even though they hate his guts.
 
2013-04-22 06:43:45 AM

No Catchy Nickname: Mariah Talbot filed her own document in U.S. federal court, alleging that Lejon gets drunk, shoved her against a wall when she was pregnant and may have engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior with Olivia. Talbot concedes she did not make that case in Swedish courts, after a court-appointed attorney told her that she could not raise the issue if she had no proof.

Ah, yes, the old "the other party is a psychotic, violent, drunken paedophile, and here are a few totally unprovable examples of that" approach.


She could have tried the "muslim terrorist" approach.
 
2013-04-22 06:45:16 AM

Ebbelwoi: There's nothing uncivilized about raising the kids in the US.


So says a Farker.

/ I drive better when I'm drunk!
 
2013-04-22 06:51:33 AM
Translation: "I was hoping that once we got to America Sweden would be powerless to bring the girl back."

I'm a divorced American expatriate living in Sweden with two kids, both of whom were born here. Even if I was the sort of dick to take them away from their mother, I sure as hell wouldn't trade Sweden for the US as a place to raise them. Unless you're fabulously wealthy that is a backwards move. By all means, visit regularly, give the kid a taste of their other heritage, but don't take them out of a country that is just about the ideal place for children to be raised.
 
2013-04-22 07:04:12 AM
It'll be fun when the Swedes go to extradite her.

"What? I shouldn't have done that? I had no idea that sort of thing was discouraged."
 
2013-04-22 07:06:07 AM
The real question is why hasn't she been arrested yet?  You can bet that if she was a dad who had run off with the kid (a kid who had her passport taken away!!) she would be.
 
2013-04-22 07:26:53 AM

Uzzah: I've done about a dozen of these kinds of cases. The only thing the US court was deciding was "what was the child's place of habitual residence?" Once that question is answered, that's the jurisdiction that gets to decide which parent gets custody/how much custody each parent gets.

The US court's order is simply that "the Swedish courts will decide custody." Mom is free to keep the kid for now by going back to Sweden and fighting for custody there, raising whatever issues she wants/can. (Oops, mom has an arrest warrant in Sweden? Well, bad choices...) If she can convince the Swedish courts that the kid is better off in the US with mom, that's what they'll order. But it sounds like mom is a total flake, so good luck with that...


Can you explain to me why, when Turkish courts were deciding a Hague case between my sister in law and ex brother in law who took my nephew, they cited 'the child's best interest' when allowing my ex brother in law to keep the kid in turkey even though he was born and raised in the States?
 
2013-04-22 07:38:03 AM

swahnhennessy: I'm a divorced American expatriate living in Sweden with two kids, both of whom were born here. Even if I was the sort of dick to take them away from their mother, I sure as hell wouldn't trade Sweden for the US as a place to raise them. Unless you're fabulously wealthy that is a backwards move. By all means, visit regularly, give the kid a taste of their other heritage, but don't take them out of a country that is just about the ideal place for children to be raised.


While I have no kids with my samboer yet, if things were to go south in our relationship, I would never in a million years take them OUT of Norway to be raised in the US.  Scandinavia is a child rearing paradise, and anyone who says otherwise is NOT acting in the best interests of the child.
 
2013-04-22 07:45:23 AM

swahnhennessy: Translation: "I was hoping that once we got to America Sweden would be powerless to bring the girl back."

I'm a divorced American expatriate living in Sweden with two kids, both of whom were born here. Even if I was the sort of dick to take them away from their mother, I sure as hell wouldn't trade Sweden for the US as a place to raise them. Unless you're fabulously wealthy that is a backwards move. By all means, visit regularly, give the kid a taste of their other heritage, but don't take them out of a country that is just about the ideal place for children to be raised.


THIS

The social system over her may have it's flaws, but the gaping freaking holes in the US's are horrifying in comparison.

Ebbelwoi: Time and again you see young people who are "totally in love" with that totally hot French/German/Swedish guy/girl and it's all such a big international adventure and then five years later they're divorced, broke, stuck overseas, missing their kids and suicidal.


She is Swedish.
 
2013-04-22 07:47:52 AM

jester_v01: The real question is why hasn't she been arrested yet?  You can bet that if she was a dad who had run off with the kid (a kid who had her passport taken away!!) she would be.


It would be national press coverage, police manhunt. No joke, either.
 
2013-04-22 07:50:04 AM
swahnhennessy:  Unless you're fabulously wealthy that is a backwards move. By all means, visit regularly, give the kid a taste of their other heritage, but don't take them out of a country that is just about the ideal place for children to be raised.

Sorry but I think that's a bit overwrought.  You don't have to be fabulously wealthy to give your kids a great upbringing in the States.  Sweden does a bang-up job of wealth redistribution and allocates a whole lot of that loot to supporting child rearing..... no question about that.  But if you're a decent earner in the US the kids will have just as good support, schools, activities, etc.

One thing to keep in mind is that when the kids become adults they'll be on the other side of that Swedish wealth redistribution equation.  If that's your cup of tea.... fine.  But not everyone wants to spend their entire working career in the highest tax bracket on the planet.
 
2013-04-22 07:54:31 AM
"America will take care of us"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

/DNRTFA.
//<deep breath>
///AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2013-04-22 07:57:22 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is she hot? Cause if she is we'll treat her like royalty


swenglishrantings.com

True dat.
 
2013-04-22 07:58:16 AM
uttertosh:


She is Swedish.

You may want to brush up on your English language skills and then re-read the headline of the article.
 
2013-04-22 07:58:39 AM
The later seasons have just never captured the magic of the pilot episode.  Now this circus has come to America in hopes of us saving the ratings.
 
2013-04-22 08:03:05 AM

Beta Tested: While I have no kids with my samboer yet, if things were to go south in our relationship, I would never in a million years take them OUT of Norway to be raised in the US. Scandinavia is a child rearing paradise, and anyone who says otherwise is NOT acting in the best interests of the child.


[snerk]

I thought that was Vatican City.

.
/thank you, thank you
//I'll be here all week
///try the veal
 
2013-04-22 08:08:49 AM
Just wanted to say that while Sweden is a great place to live, this wasn't about "which country is better for raising a child", it's about the mother taking her to America without permission. If the situation were reversed, the kid would have been sent back to America. Making this an argument about the merits of each country is completely beside the point.
 
2013-04-22 08:15:39 AM

citizenj: Uzzah: I've done about a dozen of these kinds of cases. The only thing the US court was deciding was "what was the child's place of habitual residence?" Once that question is answered, that's the jurisdiction that gets to decide which parent gets custody/how much custody each parent gets.

The US court's order is simply that "the Swedish courts will decide custody." Mom is free to keep the kid for now by going back to Sweden and fighting for custody there, raising whatever issues she wants/can. (Oops, mom has an arrest warrant in Sweden? Well, bad choices...) If she can convince the Swedish courts that the kid is better off in the US with mom, that's what they'll order. But it sounds like mom is a total flake, so good luck with that...

Can you explain to me why, when Turkish courts were deciding a Hague case between my sister in law and ex brother in law who took my nephew, they cited 'the child's best interest' when allowing my ex brother in law to keep the kid in turkey even though he was born and raised in the States?


Because Turkey sucks and the judge was a religious bigot?

Just guessing.
 
2013-04-22 08:17:22 AM

bborchar: Just wanted to say that while Sweden is a great place to live, this wasn't about "which country is better for raising a child", it's about the mother taking her to America without permission. If the situation were reversed, the kid would have been sent back to America. Making this an argument about the merits of each country is completely beside the point.


Somebody needs to explain to this woman how depending on how the law wants to look at her actions, she could be charged with kidnapping.  Most kidnapping cases in America is exactly what she had done by taking the child out of state during a custody dispute.  She'll shut up real quick and be happy with visitation rights when jail is shown as an alternative.
 
2013-04-22 08:21:47 AM
Eh, America is a great country to raise a child. After all, I was born and raised there and I turned out fine.
 
2013-04-22 08:26:20 AM

Ebbelwoi: One thing to keep in mind is that when the kids become adults they'll be on the other side of that Swedish wealth redistribution equation.  If that's your cup of tea.... fine.  But not everyone wants to spend their entire working career in the highest tax bracket on the planet.


Yes, it's a hellhole, this high standard of living.

If my daughters become wealthy enough that that "redistribution" no longer favors them and I've raised them to be selfish enough to want to keep as much of it as they can, I'm sure they'll be smart enough to move to another country.

/if they're like me, they'll consider moving because of the price of booze
 
2013-04-22 08:26:41 AM
Unless she has 40 kilos of bath salts keestered, we don't need any extra crazy around here right now.  I like that the US has become the Jerry Springer show of the world thanks to lax social tenets and mores.  It increases our cultural capital revenue to the world and helps with United Nations advertising placement of nursing schools and injury lawyers.

/deport em all to Mexico and let them find their way home.  Not our problem.
 
2013-04-22 08:29:58 AM

TheBigJerk: citizenj: Uzzah: I've done about a dozen of these kinds of cases. The only thing the US court was deciding was "what was the child's place of habitual residence?" Once that question is answered, that's the jurisdiction that gets to decide which parent gets custody/how much custody each parent gets.

The US court's order is simply that "the Swedish courts will decide custody." Mom is free to keep the kid for now by going back to Sweden and fighting for custody there, raising whatever issues she wants/can. (Oops, mom has an arrest warrant in Sweden? Well, bad choices...) If she can convince the Swedish courts that the kid is better off in the US with mom, that's what they'll order. But it sounds like mom is a total flake, so good luck with that...

Can you explain to me why, when Turkish courts were deciding a Hague case between my sister in law and ex brother in law who took my nephew, they cited 'the child's best interest' when allowing my ex brother in law to keep the kid in turkey even though he was born and raised in the States?

Because Turkey sucks and the judge was a religious bigot?

Just guessing.


The first judge ruled for my sister in law.

The panel of five judges for the appeal brought the 'best interest' in.

Then the first judge folded when the case went back to her.

You're probably right. Although politics has something to do with it too.
 
2013-04-22 08:32:56 AM
Daughter of missionaries, trolls Christian dating sights = RUN LIKE HELL.
 
2013-04-22 08:33:03 AM

Ebbelwoi: One thing to keep in mind is that when the kids become adults they'll be on the other side of that Swedish wealth redistribution equation.  If that's your cup of tea.... fine.  But not everyone wants to spend their entire working career in the highest tax bracket on the planet.


What would really suck is if they kept their US passport since our shiatty country is the only one on earth other than Israel that double taxes it's citizens who live in foreign countries
 
2013-04-22 08:49:04 AM
Is the father abusive or the mother vindicative?
 
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