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(USA Today)   Boston Bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is awake and responding to questions via writing   (usatoday.com) divider line 561
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2013-04-22 12:17:44 PM  
JungleBoogie: So Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty. I support the death penalty, and would hope that this fellow is wrung of information then executed.

On the other hand, part of me hopes that he is tried under Massachusetts law and not executed. So the citizens of Massachusetts, and the country, can see what the cost of repealing the death penalty really is. People, if they were brave enough, saw the gruesome carnage in detail. Then the citizens of Massachusetts can watch themselves paying for this guy to get 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his days, after seeing what he did.

PunGent: How about that murder case where the DA faked and withheld evidence?
The defendant did 25 years, they JUST discovered the wrongdoing.

(can't find the Fark link, it was a few days back)

You support the death penalty in THOSE cases?


No that's awful and the parties intentionally doing evil must be punished.

However, your unspoken assumption is that execution is the only way that innocent people are wrongfully killed. That's simply not true. In Maryland for example, 8 prisoners have been killed while incarcerated in the past 16 months. I don't hear anyone calling for outlawing incarceration though.

Maryland just outlawed the death penalty, driven by its governor who is a defense attorney and has presidential ambitions. It is one of the touchy-feeliest states when it comes to violent criminals. However, now, they can't do anything to lifers who murder again.
 
2013-04-22 12:35:49 PM  

incrdbil: a nice steady diet of liberal "America is evil opressive racist blah blah blah" indoctrination from their so called 'education' in public school and college


As a person educated in the public school system as well as college, and who doesn't see America as evil, oppressive or racist (Some Americans, of course, but not America), I wish to be among those who tell you go fark yourself.
 
2013-04-22 01:00:33 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: why can't he talk/sing?
cause he's been playing Tom Sawyer too much??


Apparently didn't pay attention to Tom Sawyer enough. Tom Sawyer's mind was not for rent to any god or government. His reserve, a quiet defense. Riding out the day's events.
 
2013-04-22 02:19:23 PM  

incrdbil: I see it more as this: older Muslims leave where they are, and know a better situation when they see it, the younger ones grow up, mainly hearing nostalgic stories of 'home' (as most people tend to focus on that) get a nice steady diet of liberal "America is evil opressive racist blah blah blah" indoctrination from their so called 'education' in public school and college--add the internet and get to the extremists sites and there you go.


That too, absolutely.
 
2013-04-22 04:00:29 PM  

PunGent: LavenderWolf: LookForTheArrow: can you really stop someone from killing themselves (without tortuous methods like 24x7 strap down)? Cant you just punch yourself in the throat, or something?

/macabe.. but i thought i'd ask.

Due to your self-preservation instincts, it is extremely hard to kill yourself without mechanical/chemical/etc assistance.

The best you can try is snapping your neck or crushing your skull by carefully positioning yourself for the maximum velocity allowed by your muscles and the cell's available space.

Hitting yourself won't work (you just cannot hit yourself hard enough to kill yourself, regardless of where you hit.). Holding your breath won't work (almost everyone will crack when their brain starts panicking, the rest will start to breath the moment they pass out.).

I suppose you could try biting through to the veins/arteries in your arms. That would be absolutely excruciating, though.

Gal I used to know killed herself while medicated, on suicide watch, and in full restraints...by swallowing her own bedsheets.


To be fair, I did say extremely hard, not impossible, and I would say swallowing bedsheets counts as mechanical assistance.
 
2013-04-22 04:33:58 PM  

LavenderWolf: PunGent: LavenderWolf: LookForTheArrow: can you really stop someone from killing themselves (without tortuous methods like 24x7 strap down)? Cant you just punch yourself in the throat, or something?

/macabe.. but i thought i'd ask.

Due to your self-preservation instincts, it is extremely hard to kill yourself without mechanical/chemical/etc assistance.

The best you can try is snapping your neck or crushing your skull by carefully positioning yourself for the maximum velocity allowed by your muscles and the cell's available space.

Hitting yourself won't work (you just cannot hit yourself hard enough to kill yourself, regardless of where you hit.). Holding your breath won't work (almost everyone will crack when their brain starts panicking, the rest will start to breath the moment they pass out.).

I suppose you could try biting through to the veins/arteries in your arms. That would be absolutely excruciating, though.

Gal I used to know killed herself while medicated, on suicide watch, and in full restraints...by swallowing her own bedsheets.

To be fair, I did say extremely hard, not impossible, and I would say swallowing bedsheets counts as mechanical assistance.


Wasn't trying to one up you or anything.  Perhaps swallowing the tongue?  would take some serious crazy willpower though...
 
2013-04-22 05:27:26 PM  

WienerButt: I respect people of all faiths but I understand religion is a bit nutty from an outsiders view, so having the capability of converting someone into believing what you believe in is quite the task.


"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
 
2013-04-22 05:31:52 PM  

JungleBoogie: Maryland just outlawed the death penalty, driven by its governor who is a defense attorney and has presidential ambitions. It is one of the touchy-feeliest states when it comes to violent criminals. However, now, they can't do anything to lifers who murder again.


You don't see a distinction between a state-sanctioned process that kills people when it works as intended, as opposed to allowing inmates to kill each other in an incompetently-run prison?

Which way do you want to go here?  Do you trust the justice system, or don't you?  Make up your mind.
 
2013-04-22 06:05:50 PM  

MontanaDave: Jon iz teh kewl: why can't he talk/sing?
cause he's been playing Tom Sawyer too much??

Apparently didn't pay attention to Tom Sawyer enough. Tom Sawyer's mind was not for rent to any god or government. His reserve, a quiet defense. Riding out the day's events.


TEH RIVER!!!!!
 
2013-04-22 08:55:04 PM  
The biggest questions I imagine the FBI will have is: did he have any help.

I also think people, especially the media, believe bomb making is a complex endeavor when it is not.
 
2013-04-23 11:45:59 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: JungleBoogie: Maryland just outlawed the death penalty, driven by its governor who is a defense attorney and has presidential ambitions. It is one of the touchy-feeliest states when it comes to violent criminals. However, now, they can't do anything to lifers who murder again.

You don't see a distinction between a state-sanctioned process that kills people when it works as intended,


The official objection death penalty opponents put forth is that there is the risk of killing the innocent person with execution. That's the argument to which I'm responding. Whenever I hear that, I simply present context - that incarcerating prisoners actually does result in innocent people getting killed. It's not just a theoretical possibility, as with the death penalty.


as opposed to allowing inmates to kill each other in an incompetently-run prison?

You're housing hyperviolent, low-empathy, intelligent (relative to animals) individuals in close proximity. They're going to murder each other in the best run prison. They're also going to escape and murder again, kill prison guards, and get their sentences commuted and murder again.

Not only is there is a risk of inmates killing each other when you house them in close proximity to each other, that risk is realized many times each year.


Which way do you want to go here?  Do you trust the justice system, or don't you?  Make up your mind.

The justice system is imperfect. All human systems are. To pretend that the only risk to innocent life comes from the death penalty is false. Incarceration has that risk too. And with incarceration, it's actually, provably, realized on a monthly basis.
 
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