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2013-04-22 04:25:30 AM
I have a question for him:

assets.sbnation.com

WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION NUMBNUTS???!!1
 
2013-04-22 04:33:08 AM

cretinbob: Xyphoid:


Applause to both of you, and others I'm sure, but I didn't read the whole thread.

Thank you for restoring some of my faith in my fellow Americans.
 
2013-04-22 04:42:59 AM

phrawgh: There are so many victims here. Think of the poor widow. She converted to Islam. We should all chip in and pay for her to relocate to Saudi Arabia so she can enjoy the support of her Muslim brothers and sisters.


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-04-22 05:44:43 AM
I don't think the act the brothers did was totally related to religion.  It was more of a selfish act, maybe in part to see what they could get away with because something or someone convinced them they should be.  I have thought this all along.  I have noticed that most of the bombings in in public areas that are instigated by radical Islamist groups involved some sort of self sacrifice and then some group claims responsibility. I could be completely wrong in this way of thinking but this, however, it is what I see reported in the news. I noticed in the Boston Bombings,  the persons involved did neither; it was selfish act of violence.

Regardless, the blame should be focused on the two brothers as a whole. Not those who may share the same faith or race. My anger is in what they did and how they repaid the country and community that took them,helped raise them, and gave them a life that was better than they had in their home country by doing this terrible act. I don't want the death penalty for the surviving brother.  I want him spend the rest of his life in prison with no parole, having to reflect on what he did and sharing his cell with another inmate who will also remind him of it too, every night too. If you get what I mean.
 
2013-04-22 05:49:51 AM

Makh: What's his fark account?


phil
 
2013-04-22 06:11:08 AM

Weaver95: if there ARE other bombers out there, other cells then you can bet they just got a great reason to kick their plans into high gear.  they know Tsarnaev will crack sooner or later and once he does, the Fed will come down on 'em all like a ton of bricks.


What is it like to live in abject fear at all times? Can't be good for your blood pressure.
 
2013-04-22 06:15:35 AM

ZeroCorpse: My current theory:

The older brother (I'm not going to bother spelling their names) was a boxer at the Olympic level... One that didn't make the Olympics. He also recently began following the teachings of a religious radical.

What if the cause of all of this was brain damage incurred as a boxer?

He got knocked around, something broke in his head, he failed to make the Olympics because of it, and the combination of brain damage and failure at his primary pursuit in life caused him to become open to crazy talk.

What if this event is not an indictment against Chechens, or Islam, or political points of view, but against full-contact sports?

Hmm.


I was thinking along those same lines, but it doesn't sell as well on CNN as 'OMFG!! Muslin turrurist! Sleeper cells!11!!'
 
2013-04-22 07:03:18 AM
I know removing his arms and legs and giving him incurable hiccups is usual, but is it cruel?
 
2013-04-22 07:03:54 AM

nmemkha: I know removing his arms and legs and giving him incurable hiccups is unusual, but is it cruel?

 
2013-04-22 07:25:40 AM

Weaver95: ZAZ: He's so full of drugs it doesn't matter whether he got his Miranda warning. State courts would not consider a confession under the circumstances to be voluntary.

I don't think we're gonna care about a confession.  we're just gonna strip him of his rights, torture the f*ck outta him, and then kill him.  he might get a show trial of some sort but he's a dead man walking and i'm sure he knows it.


yup. downriver in terre haute. you don't come back from there.
 
2013-04-22 07:31:10 AM

ransack.: Weaver95: ZAZ: He's so full of drugs it doesn't matter whether he got his Miranda warning. State courts would not consider a confession under the circumstances to be voluntary.

I don't think we're gonna care about a confession.  we're just gonna strip him of his rights, torture the f*ck outta him, and then kill him.  he might get a show trial of some sort but he's a dead man walking and i'm sure he knows it.

yup. downriver in terre haute. you don't come back from there.


Just avoid the cabbage rolls.
 
2013-04-22 07:42:34 AM
Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.
 
2013-04-22 07:55:14 AM

FARK in FL: itazurakko: Dougie AXP: A bomb is a bomb. Doesn't matter if it's a pipe bomb, a fertilizer based bomb, or a pressure cooker rigged with black powder and nails. It's designed to inflict maximum damage with minimal effort.

He could have placed a claymore or several grenades in a backpack. It's a bomb. end of story.

Yes. It's a bomb.  It is not, however, a "weapon of mass destruction."

I've never denied it was a bomb. This guy did a mass murder with bombs.  That part is pretty much an airtight case I think, if they've got video, not to mention all the various bits of evidence they've collected at the scene.

Then there's all the killing of a policemen, chucking more bombs out of their car, yeah. Plenty of crimes here. There is no way this guy is ever going free.

[jarkesypolitical.com image 720x540]

He'll probably jumpstart a future president's political career in his living room, then go onto a lucrative lecture and teaching career.


You'd think after losing two elections beating Ayer's dead horse, you guys would know better...nobody gives a rat's ass, except the Birther crowd...and you already had them in your corner.
 
2013-04-22 07:56:37 AM

BikerRay: Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.


That WILL be tricky.  Change of venue, maybe?

/gonna need someplace without internet or cable coverage...Mars, or the rings of Saturn...
 
2013-04-22 08:10:23 AM

puppetpusher: I don't know much about what actually goes on inside a real trial... but how in the hell would one go about finding "fair" jurors for this?? That's got to be a close-to-impossible task. And as others have mentioned, even if it's the right thing to do under the law, I cannot imagine having to be the guy's lawyer. A lawyer for him might as well just be for formalities at this point. I doubt any lawyer would be able to help him out much, nor even actually want to.

At least the evil [insert swear words of choice here] has been caught and can't hurt anyone any more.

No, I would NOT make a fair juror. At least I'm honest.


I guarantee you'll be able to find at least one defense attorney who'd LOVE the case, just for the publicity...you can't "lose", in that everyone expects your client to go to prison forever, if not get the death penalty...so anything you achieve beyond that would be an epic win.

I'd anticipate some death threats, however, which might temper their enthusiasm.

However, odds are, this kid has no money, so will get a public defender, either state or federal.  Almost all of them (and all the ones I know) are committed to the system, and WILL represent him to the best of their ability.

I'm not a defense attorney myself, I do real estate...but at the end of the day, I'm an officer of the court.

If I'm instructed by a judge to defend this guy, I will...I take my oath seriously.
I don't get to just uphold the parts of the state and federal constitutions that I happen to agree with...it's all or nothing.

(Yes, it's unlikely, but that happened to a colleague some years back, out in Western Mass...they were short of public defenders that day, he was in civil court next door for a motion, the judge required him to defend a felon who needed representation.  Comply, or face contempt of court, and possible disciplinary proceedings.)
 
2013-04-22 08:13:02 AM

LavenderWolf: LookForTheArrow: can you really stop someone from killing themselves (without tortuous methods like 24x7 strap down)? Cant you just punch yourself in the throat, or something?

/macabe.. but i thought i'd ask.

Due to your self-preservation instincts, it is extremely hard to kill yourself without mechanical/chemical/etc assistance.

The best you can try is snapping your neck or crushing your skull by carefully positioning yourself for the maximum velocity allowed by your muscles and the cell's available space.

Hitting yourself won't work (you just cannot hit yourself hard enough to kill yourself, regardless of where you hit.). Holding your breath won't work (almost everyone will crack when their brain starts panicking, the rest will start to breath the moment they pass out.).

I suppose you could try biting through to the veins/arteries in your arms. That would be absolutely excruciating, though.


Gal I used to know killed herself while medicated, on suicide watch, and in full restraints...by swallowing her own bedsheets.
 
2013-04-22 08:16:48 AM

JungleBoogie: So Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty. I support the death penalty, and would hope that this fellow is wrung of information then executed.

On the other hand, part of me hopes that he is tried under Massachusetts law and not executed. So the citizens of Massachusetts, and the country, can see what the cost of repealing the death penalty really is. People, if they were brave enough, saw the gruesome carnage in detail. Then the citizens of Massachusetts can watch themselves paying for this guy to get 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his days, after seeing what he did.


How about that murder case where the DA faked and withheld evidence?
The defendant did 25 years, they JUST discovered the wrongdoing.

(can't find the Fark link, it was a few days back)

You support the death penalty in THOSE cases?
 
2013-04-22 08:20:02 AM

ISO15693: BravadoGT: ISO15693: BravadoGT: The simple solution to this is to make the citizenship of naturalized aliens revokable upon arrest for terror-related charges.

for CHARGES?

sure, at least temporarily.  Hey, if they think that's a deal-killer for their moving here, I can respect that.

Well then. I charge you with terrorism. And you cant get due process now, because you aren't a citizen anymore, and don't have any rights like that. You don't need evidence to charge someone, and once you do, they don't have any rights - wow - we can deport anyone we want, at any time!

No, I dont think that is a good idea. I think it should take actual evidence and actual conviction before citizenship is stripped away. Call me crazy.


I am not a naturalized citizen...
 
2013-04-22 08:20:24 AM

BikerRay: Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.


Should be less challenging than the Timothy McVeigh case.
 
2013-04-22 08:27:22 AM
Late to the thread but I'm curious to know more about this from the perspective of the guys wife. How did she not know , assuming she didn't, that this shiat was going down? I can barely sneak a fart past my girlfriend let alone plan a bombing in a big city.

And to those who initially said she was Christian, the news confirmed she had converted to Islam and was wearing a head scarf when she was taken in for questioning. Maybe I'm ignorant, but the idea of converting someone always fascinates me. I respect people of all faiths but I understand religion is a bit nutty from an outsiders view, so having the capability of converting someone into believing what you believe in is quite the task.
 
2013-04-22 08:27:49 AM

PunGent: (Yes, it's unlikely, but that happened to a colleague some years back, out in Western Mass...they were short of public defenders that day, he was in civil court next door for a motion, the judge required him to defend a felon who needed representation. Comply, or face contempt of court, and possible disciplinary proceedings.)


Can't the accused later use that as a basis for appeal later?  "They grabbed some real estate lawyer who knew nothing about the case to defend me against homicide charges--you call that competent representation?"
 
2013-04-22 08:27:56 AM
Oh, almost forgot...the felony murder rule means he can be tried for his brother's death, as well.
 
2013-04-22 08:33:18 AM

dkimball: First thing I thought of...no one else???
[www.chud.com image 425x182]


He can talk!
He can talk!
He can talk!
He can talk!

He can talk!
He can talk!

♫   I CAN SIIIIIINNNNNGGG!!!
 
2013-04-22 08:36:56 AM
is there a jury out there that wouldn't convict him?
 
2013-04-22 08:40:15 AM
FitzShivering:
Heard one of our congresscritters on the radio earlier who said, "He will be found guilty no matter what" in response to the questions about his Miranda rights.  While I have no doubt that statement is likely true, it does give me the chills.

I'm going to hope he meant that there is overwhelming evidence as to his guilt even without any statement he might make, so the Miranda warning is not crucial. If all of his statements are tossed out, he will still be convicted due to all of the other evidence against him.

Maybe that's not what he meant. But I feel better thinking that it is.
 
2013-04-22 08:40:15 AM

SlothB77: is there a jury out there that wouldn't convict him?


I think you could find one in Afghanistan.
 
2013-04-22 08:44:07 AM

pciszek: PunGent: (Yes, it's unlikely, but that happened to a colleague some years back, out in Western Mass...they were short of public defenders that day, he was in civil court next door for a motion, the judge required him to defend a felon who needed representation. Comply, or face contempt of court, and possible disciplinary proceedings.)

Can't the accused later use that as a basis for appeal later?  "They grabbed some real estate lawyer who knew nothing about the case to defend me against homicide charges--you call that competent representation?"


Sure.  But recall...SOME defendant is guaranteed to get a defense lawyer's FIRST case...and that's not an automatic get-out-of-jail free card.  Heck, in Texas, they've had defense attorney's SLEEP THROUGH THE CASE, and upheld the conviction.

On the other hand, in that situation, I'd get him through the arraignment...those are easy, pick NOT guilty...and then yell for help from experienced defense counsel.

If the case was interesting, I'd try to stay on as co-counsel, even unpaid...it's good to learn new things.
 
2013-04-22 08:49:32 AM

sonorangal: I want him spend the rest of his life in prison with no parole,


I kind of want him to have Manson parole. I want him to get his hopes up every couple of years, only to hear, "Mmmm... how 'bout NO." every time.

My revenge fantasies aren't all that violent. But they're mine, and they work for me.
 
2013-04-22 08:54:56 AM

PunGent: BikerRay: Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.

That WILL be tricky.  Change of venue, maybe?

/gonna need someplace without internet or cable coverage...Mars, or the rings of Saturn...


West Virginia.
 
2013-04-22 08:56:02 AM
The reason I'm against the death penalty in this instance is that we can only kill him once.
 
2013-04-22 09:02:13 AM
The old Russian system would of gone after all his relatives too. Just to make an example.
 
2013-04-22 09:20:03 AM

Tommy Moo: The brothers' uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told the Associated Press that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was "used" by his older brother to carry out the bombing. "He's not been understanding anything," Tsarni said. "He's a 19-year-old boy."

I knew this pathetic defense was going to rear its head. He lost any chance at that when he decided to fire an automatic weapon at police officers attempting to apprehend him. Death penalty. I don't give a shiat if he's 19. Death penalty.


I don't agree with it as a defense, but I have to wonder if the younger one was overly influenced by the older brother into doing something he really didn't want to do. Regardless, he should bear the full weight of the law, if he's convicted.
 
2013-04-22 09:24:41 AM

SlothB77: is there a jury out there that wouldn't convict him?


Of course there is. People on a jury are supposed to be impartial and look at all of the evidence, facts and
potential mitigating circumstances before coming to a conclusion. That said, based on what we know so far,
the guy would be convicted after 10 minutes of deliberations.

I have no doubt, BTW, that when this goes to trial, he'll be found guilty.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-04-22 09:27:56 AM
Some Bass Playing Guy:
I don't agree with it as a defense, but I have to wonder if the younger one was overly influenced by the older brother into doing something he really didn't want to do. Regardless, he should bear the full weight of the law, if he's convicted.

That will be the only thing saving from the chair.

The "pre-judged!!1! OMG!" defense isn't going to fly.  He's on video everywhere, he and his brother told the car jacking victim that they were the bombers... etc.  It's all going to be about his brother "mind controlling" him.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-22 09:39:10 AM
The federal weapons of mass destruction (weaponized potato launcher) law applies to anything with even the remotest connection to interstate commerce. Since everything is connected to interstate commerce, the appeals court is left to decide whether a federal conviction seems just under the circumstances. In this case the conviction will be upheld against a jurisdictional challenge. On the other hand, one federal appeals court threw out a federal arson conviction involving a residence. The crime did not strike the judges as important enough for federal courts considering the traditional state role in arson prosecution. They read "interstate commerce" to mean "commercial" despite the lack of any such limitation in the statute.

Cataholic

The Supreme Court has in effect ruled, without explicitly saying so, that the war on terror is not enough of a war to use precedent from WW2.
 
2013-04-22 09:40:28 AM

Kittypie070: Xyphoid: Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.

My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American.  Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others.  As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction).  In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary).


/* Oh practitioner of the art of war, protector of innocent and wicked alike, upholder of the rights of Man, I name you Bearer of the Emperor's Shield. */
gotohell();

 
2013-04-22 09:53:42 AM

Arthur Jumbles: LordJiro: Arthur Jumbles: What I want to know is what have police done with the third man? The naked man who they captured the night of the MIT shooting. How is he related to the bombing brothers? What about the naked man!

The naked man was naked because the police made him strip in case he had a bomb on him, like the older brother did.

Yeah, but who is he? How is he connected to the brothers? If a third person is involved that makes it sound more like a terrorist cell.


I really thought it was the guy whose car was hijacked and that the police wanted to make sure he wasn't an accomplice or had been rigged with explosives ot something.

But I can't find anywhere that confirms this -- or provides any explanation for who he was.
 
2013-04-22 09:57:33 AM

d23: Some Bass Playing Guy:
I don't agree with it as a defense, but I have to wonder if the younger one was overly influenced by the older brother into doing something he really didn't want to do. Regardless, he should bear the full weight of the law, if he's convicted.

That will be the only thing saving from the chair.

The "pre-judged!!1! OMG!" defense isn't going to fly.  He's on video everywhere, he and his brother told the car jacking victim that they were the bombers... etc.  It's all going to be about his brother "mind controlling" him.


If the brother's the shiat, you must acquit?
 
2013-04-22 10:09:42 AM
Here's the funny thing about the whole Miranda thing...and why it's f*cking stoopid to be so frightened of reading folks their rights...

Folks keep thinking that "THERE'S NO TIME!" is a valid excuse. In extremis, there are cases, but the time has sort of flown, and a lot of folks who seem to be fired up on this are missing the point.
 
2013-04-22 10:18:32 AM
why can't he talk/sing?
cause he's been playing Tom Sawyer too much??
 
2013-04-22 10:42:26 AM

BikerRay: Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.


Sure helped McVeigh... Oh wait.
 
2013-04-22 11:23:27 AM

Xyphoid: Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.

My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American.  Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others.  As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction).  In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary).

My opinion in regard to my faith and as a human being is that no unnecessary suffering (excluding any pain due to life-saving or life-maintaining actions) should come to him,  even though I believe he likely did it (to the effect I'd have to sit out of a jury).  I also believe that he shouldn't be sentenced to death unless his continued existence, no matter what actions we could possibly undertake, would still pose a threat to innocent life.

Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Whatever this persons motivations were, you wishing those kinds of things upon him, suggesting you'd be ambivalent to them happening, or wishing you could do it yourself makes you the same kind of person you believe this fellow to be.  You don't think terrorists have their own justification, like you, for thinking their actions (or willingness to cause suffering) as right?

/Two Iraq deployments for a year and a half
//Despite being shot at, fellow soldiers injured and killed, poisoned, threatened, insulted and knowing that if I was captured that terrible things would be done to me, 100% of any prisoners or suspects I had control of were treated like human beings.  Not just because of my beliefs, but that's how decent and civilized human beings roll.
///So yeah, I can practice ...


Reading this makes me proud to be an American
 
2013-04-22 11:34:02 AM

hubiestubert: Here's the funny thing about the whole Miranda thing...and why it's f*cking stoopid to be so frightened of reading folks their rights...

Folks keep thinking that "THERE'S NO TIME!" is a valid excuse. In extremis, there are cases, but the time has sort of flown, and a lot of folks who seem to be fired up on this are missing the point.


Some people are predisposed to accept certain things as "true", often because their social peers require them to make a "profession of faith" in public. Usually these are harmless rituals - often religious in nature. I've sat in a church and watched a highly admired surgeon, who I know to have OR privileges at NYU Medical Center intone "on the third day, he rose again" - and he knows even better than I do, the physical impossibility of that. But I'd still feel comfortable putting my life in his hands, because I know he was simply upholding a community tradition, not stating his opinion of the actual facts.

Average Farker giving his opinion on admissibility of evidence is like me lecturing the Apollo astronauts on the correct way to make two metal spheres go "clank": amusing and harmless, and only offensive if the speaker actually thinks their opinion is valid or relevant.

That said, I do get a little creeped out - maybe more than a little - by the twits that obsess on the corrective goodness of anal rape. That, unfortunately, is not a harmless myth, People who suggest things like that should not be left alone with children, or, honestly, pretty much anyone.
 
2013-04-22 11:41:32 AM
somedude210:
//apparently, their budget has been cut so much that they can only go to the range for training once a year

Seriously?

They can afford to pay Lieutenants a quarter million a year (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/05/06/p ol ice_pay_can_exceed_250k/) but they can't afford ammo for the range?  Even fancy .40 can't be over a dollar a round.
 
2013-04-22 11:48:37 AM

itazurakko: torquestripe: Reliable sources say he ran over his brother while the police were handcuffing said  brother. Yeah, it's five.

But the brother may have already been doomed.  He was pretty full of holes already.

Anyway if they're counting him as 5 though, that answers my question.


Under the felony murder rule, Dzhokhar would have picked up a murder charge for his brother even if he died only from police or self-inflicted wounds.

Do we know for sure if Boston PD killed anyone else?  We've never heard what happened to the guy handcuffed on the Common, the first naked guy, or the old guy who allegedly had a "dead-man" device.  If the cops did shoot another suspect or bystander, that would go on the list too.
 
2013-04-22 12:00:29 PM
Now that the hoopla has ended, maybe it's time to think about something else besides 3 dead in Boston last week. Perhaps you can pretend to be outraged and upset at one of the thousands of other tragedies.
 
2013-04-22 12:01:41 PM

saturn badger: MontanaDave: Also, there are civilian courts where both criminal and civil actions are heard. Not sure about military courts and civil procedings, b ut I suppose it's possible.

At the same time? I have not heard of this. I know there are both but they are separate entities.


Same room, same judge, but different jury. It might be called another court, though. I've come to realize that legal professionals use a different version of the English language than most of us.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-22 12:03:08 PM
fnordfocus

As far as I know Massachusetts does not consider a killing by police during a felony to be murder by the felon. Some other states do. The felony murder rule is not uniform around the country.
 
2013-04-22 12:10:56 PM
Hope the FBI have got some of these at hand

bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-04-22 12:16:26 PM

doubled99: Now that the hoopla has ended, maybe it's time to think about something else besides 3 dead in Boston last week. Perhaps you can pretend to be outraged and upset at one of the thousands of other tragedies.


Your concern is very important to us. Please hold for the next available rage-fueled rebuttal. In the meantime, we'd like to remind you of a few other places where someone might give a damn.

/your expected answer time is.... whups! Greenlight about a celebrity, gotta go!
 
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