phrawgh: There are so many victims here. Think of the poor widow. She converted to Islam. We should all chip in and pay for her to relocate to Saudi Arabia so she can enjoy the support of her Muslim brothers and sisters.
Makh: What's his fark account?
Weaver95: if there ARE other bombers out there, other cells then you can bet they just got a great reason to kick their plans into high gear. they know Tsarnaev will crack sooner or later and once he does, the Fed will come down on 'em all like a ton of bricks.
ZeroCorpse: My current theory:The older brother (I'm not going to bother spelling their names) was a boxer at the Olympic level... One that didn't make the Olympics. He also recently began following the teachings of a religious radical.What if the cause of all of this was brain damage incurred as a boxer?He got knocked around, something broke in his head, he failed to make the Olympics because of it, and the combination of brain damage and failure at his primary pursuit in life caused him to become open to crazy talk.What if this event is not an indictment against Chechens, or Islam, or political points of view, but against full-contact sports?Hmm.
nmemkha: I know removing his arms and legs and giving him incurable hiccups is unusual, but is it cruel?
Weaver95: ZAZ: He's so full of drugs it doesn't matter whether he got his Miranda warning. State courts would not consider a confession under the circumstances to be voluntary.I don't think we're gonna care about a confession. we're just gonna strip him of his rights, torture the f*ck outta him, and then kill him. he might get a show trial of some sort but he's a dead man walking and i'm sure he knows it.
ransack.: Weaver95: ZAZ: He's so full of drugs it doesn't matter whether he got his Miranda warning. State courts would not consider a confession under the circumstances to be voluntary.I don't think we're gonna care about a confession. we're just gonna strip him of his rights, torture the f*ck outta him, and then kill him. he might get a show trial of some sort but he's a dead man walking and i'm sure he knows it.yup. downriver in terre haute. you don't come back from there.
FARK in FL: itazurakko: Dougie AXP: A bomb is a bomb. Doesn't matter if it's a pipe bomb, a fertilizer based bomb, or a pressure cooker rigged with black powder and nails. It's designed to inflict maximum damage with minimal effort.He could have placed a claymore or several grenades in a backpack. It's a bomb. end of story.Yes. It's a bomb. It is not, however, a "weapon of mass destruction."I've never denied it was a bomb. This guy did a mass murder with bombs. That part is pretty much an airtight case I think, if they've got video, not to mention all the various bits of evidence they've collected at the scene.Then there's all the killing of a policemen, chucking more bombs out of their car, yeah. Plenty of crimes here. There is no way this guy is ever going free.[jarkesypolitical.com image 720x540]He'll probably jumpstart a future president's political career in his living room, then go onto a lucrative lecture and teaching career.
BikerRay: Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.
puppetpusher: I don't know much about what actually goes on inside a real trial... but how in the hell would one go about finding "fair" jurors for this?? That's got to be a close-to-impossible task. And as others have mentioned, even if it's the right thing to do under the law, I cannot imagine having to be the guy's lawyer. A lawyer for him might as well just be for formalities at this point. I doubt any lawyer would be able to help him out much, nor even actually want to.At least the evil [insert swear words of choice here] has been caught and can't hurt anyone any more.No, I would NOT make a fair juror. At least I'm honest.
LavenderWolf: LookForTheArrow: can you really stop someone from killing themselves (without tortuous methods like 24x7 strap down)? Cant you just punch yourself in the throat, or something?/macabe.. but i thought i'd ask.Due to your self-preservation instincts, it is extremely hard to kill yourself without mechanical/chemical/etc assistance.The best you can try is snapping your neck or crushing your skull by carefully positioning yourself for the maximum velocity allowed by your muscles and the cell's available space.Hitting yourself won't work (you just cannot hit yourself hard enough to kill yourself, regardless of where you hit.). Holding your breath won't work (almost everyone will crack when their brain starts panicking, the rest will start to breath the moment they pass out.).I suppose you could try biting through to the veins/arteries in your arms. That would be absolutely excruciating, though.
JungleBoogie: So Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty. I support the death penalty, and would hope that this fellow is wrung of information then executed.On the other hand, part of me hopes that he is tried under Massachusetts law and not executed. So the citizens of Massachusetts, and the country, can see what the cost of repealing the death penalty really is. People, if they were brave enough, saw the gruesome carnage in detail. Then the citizens of Massachusetts can watch themselves paying for this guy to get 3 hots and a cot for the rest of his days, after seeing what he did.
ISO15693: BravadoGT: ISO15693: BravadoGT: The simple solution to this is to make the citizenship of naturalized aliens revokable upon arrest for terror-related charges.for CHARGES?sure, at least temporarily. Hey, if they think that's a deal-killer for their moving here, I can respect that.Well then. I charge you with terrorism. And you cant get due process now, because you aren't a citizen anymore, and don't have any rights like that. You don't need evidence to charge someone, and once you do, they don't have any rights - wow - we can deport anyone we want, at any time!No, I dont think that is a good idea. I think it should take actual evidence and actual conviction before citizenship is stripped away. Call me crazy.
PunGent: (Yes, it's unlikely, but that happened to a colleague some years back, out in Western Mass...they were short of public defenders that day, he was in civil court next door for a motion, the judge required him to defend a felon who needed representation. Comply, or face contempt of court, and possible disciplinary proceedings.)
dkimball: First thing I thought of...no one else???[www.chud.com image 425x182]
SlothB77: is there a jury out there that wouldn't convict him?
pciszek: PunGent: (Yes, it's unlikely, but that happened to a colleague some years back, out in Western Mass...they were short of public defenders that day, he was in civil court next door for a motion, the judge required him to defend a felon who needed representation. Comply, or face contempt of court, and possible disciplinary proceedings.)Can't the accused later use that as a basis for appeal later? "They grabbed some real estate lawyer who knew nothing about the case to defend me against homicide charges--you call that competent representation?"
sonorangal: I want him spend the rest of his life in prison with no parole,
PunGent: BikerRay: Serious question: How the hell do they find an unbiased jury? Everyone has already pre-judged him, and defense will have a field day with that.That WILL be tricky. Change of venue, maybe?/gonna need someplace without internet or cable coverage...Mars, or the rings of Saturn...
Tommy Moo: The brothers' uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told the Associated Press that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was "used" by his older brother to carry out the bombing. "He's not been understanding anything," Tsarni said. "He's a 19-year-old boy."I knew this pathetic defense was going to rear its head. He lost any chance at that when he decided to fire an automatic weapon at police officers attempting to apprehend him. Death penalty. I don't give a shiat if he's 19. Death penalty.
Kittypie070: Xyphoid: Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American. Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others. As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction). In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary)./* Oh practitioner of the art of war, protector of innocent and wicked alike, upholder of the rights of Man, I name you Bearer of the Emperor's Shield. */gotohell();
Arthur Jumbles: LordJiro: Arthur Jumbles: What I want to know is what have police done with the third man? The naked man who they captured the night of the MIT shooting. How is he related to the bombing brothers? What about the naked man!The naked man was naked because the police made him strip in case he had a bomb on him, like the older brother did.Yeah, but who is he? How is he connected to the brothers? If a third person is involved that makes it sound more like a terrorist cell.
d23: Some Bass Playing Guy:I don't agree with it as a defense, but I have to wonder if the younger one was overly influenced by the older brother into doing something he really didn't want to do. Regardless, he should bear the full weight of the law, if he's convicted.That will be the only thing saving from the chair.The "pre-judged!!1! OMG!" defense isn't going to fly. He's on video everywhere, he and his brother told the car jacking victim that they were the bombers... etc. It's all going to be about his brother "mind controlling" him.
Xyphoid: Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American. Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others. As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction). In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary).My opinion in regard to my faith and as a human being is that no unnecessary suffering (excluding any pain due to life-saving or life-maintaining actions) should come to him, even though I believe he likely did it (to the effect I'd have to sit out of a jury). I also believe that he shouldn't be sentenced to death unless his continued existence, no matter what actions we could possibly undertake, would still pose a threat to innocent life.Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Whatever this persons motivations were, you wishing those kinds of things upon him, suggesting you'd be ambivalent to them happening, or wishing you could do it yourself makes you the same kind of person you believe this fellow to be. You don't think terrorists have their own justification, like you, for thinking their actions (or willingness to cause suffering) as right?/Two Iraq deployments for a year and a half//Despite being shot at, fellow soldiers injured and killed, poisoned, threatened, insulted and knowing that if I was captured that terrible things would be done to me, 100% of any prisoners or suspects I had control of were treated like human beings. Not just because of my beliefs, but that's how decent and civilized human beings roll.///So yeah, I can practice ...
hubiestubert: Here's the funny thing about the whole Miranda thing...and why it's f*cking stoopid to be so frightened of reading folks their rights...Folks keep thinking that "THERE'S NO TIME!" is a valid excuse. In extremis, there are cases, but the time has sort of flown, and a lot of folks who seem to be fired up on this are missing the point.
itazurakko: torquestripe: Reliable sources say he ran over his brother while the police were handcuffing said brother. Yeah, it's five.But the brother may have already been doomed. He was pretty full of holes already.Anyway if they're counting him as 5 though, that answers my question.
saturn badger: MontanaDave: Also, there are civilian courts where both criminal and civil actions are heard. Not sure about military courts and civil procedings, b ut I suppose it's possible.At the same time? I have not heard of this. I know there are both but they are separate entities.
doubled99: Now that the hoopla has ended, maybe it's time to think about something else besides 3 dead in Boston last week. Perhaps you can pretend to be outraged and upset at one of the thousands of other tragedies.
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