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2013-04-21 09:22:21 PM

namatad: this and only this
but the joke would be on the rest of us, if the cops failing to read him his rights led to his freedom ...


.What? Do you think he's going to thumb his nose at everyone while tiptoeing through the tulips? He will never have his freedom again even if he does go free. He will be in the crosshairs of every vigilante with a weapon sharper than a butter knife. (And this is Boston where everyone is a vigilante after a few beers.) The kid will never be able to sleep with both eyes closed again. His best bet is to behind the protection of the cops and courts. Outside of jail is a guaranteed death sentence for him.
 
2013-04-21 09:22:24 PM

FriarReb98: At the very least, it sounds like his self-inflicted wound (along with, I presume, a couple of inflicted ones here or there) will be nagging, painful injuries for years to come.  Just like the people who he hurt.  It's not perfect, but it's a start.


A lot of people have suffered, radicalization is largely made possible by heavy handed international policy and he's basically a child but no, keep advocating for revenge instead of justice. I'm sure that will help.
 
2013-04-21 09:22:38 PM
If there's any ties to foreign terrorists that info probably died with the older bro.
 
2013-04-21 09:22:41 PM
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2013-04-21 09:23:07 PM

foo monkey: namatad: SlothB77: they don't need a confession, they got enough on him already.  they want to know motive and any other accomplices.

this and only this
but the joke would be on the rest of us, if the cops failing to read him his rights led to his freedom ...
shudder

how hard is it to do things legally, instead of like children?
I think he understands that his only hope at this point is life in prison.
TADA
I will tell you everything in exchange for taking the death penalty off the table.
TADA

He'll grow old in the SuperMax in Colorado.


Thats for sure...I wonder if he will be the youngest to go to Supermax?
 
2013-04-21 09:24:06 PM

foo monkey: He'll grow old in the SuperMax in Colorado.


A) We have enough scum in Colorado.  Plus all those asshole in the Supermax
B) He is sane and an adult (a real, not a made-up, 'adult') - he will get the needle - I'm sure the English already have really good odds on that one
C) He better hope the feds don't get all pissy and let the fine folks from Oklahoma have the honors
 
2013-04-21 09:25:03 PM

ZAZ: BrieBelle00
The real question is state court (life without parole) or federal court (death).


www.radford.edu

First one, then the other.
 
2013-04-21 09:25:11 PM
I hope for his sake that none of the people taking care of him is related to that kid that was killed in the bombings.
 
2013-04-21 09:25:15 PM
So, he could kill all those others with guns and bombs, but the one person he could not kill was himself.
 
2013-04-21 09:25:35 PM

JerseyTim: He just drew a picture of Kevin Spacey.


i132.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 09:26:03 PM

Weaver95: Snapper Carr: SlothB77: they don't need a confession, they got enough on him already.  they want to know motive and any other accomplices.

Seemingly airtight evidence is ruled inadmissible every day in the US legal system for a variety of reasons. If they have a fully Mirandized confession (preferably with his attorney in the room), that just solidifies the case against him further.

I think it's safe to say that the rules are gonna get suspended twisted into whatever shape the gubmint wants on this one.

 
2013-04-21 09:27:47 PM

lordjupiter: Do you wish you'd just stuck to smoking weed and playing soldier on Xbox know your ran over your brother's body during your get away? Feels? (Check one)

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

 
2013-04-21 09:28:56 PM

namatad: but the joke would be on the rest of us, if the cops failing to read him his rights led to his freedom ...


Okay, that's just not how that works at all.

Miranda is PURELY about what is admissible at trial, and given that his guilt can be established trivially without any confession (if just for the murder of that cop during his escape if not the bombings) there's no question of him conceivably going free.
 
2013-04-21 09:29:14 PM
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2013-04-21 09:29:38 PM
FTFA: "Meanwhile at the Watertown Police Station, neighbor Gale Boyd brought homemade brownies and Lindor truffles Sunday afternoon and shook the hand of the first police officer she saw."

What the fark, is this a news site or a church newsletter?
 
2013-04-21 09:29:42 PM

djkutch: know your ran over your brother's body during your get away? Feels?


From the vague reports, sounds like he probably killed his brother. Yes, please live with that for a few years.
 
2013-04-21 09:29:44 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ZAZ: He's so full of drugs it doesn't matter whether he got his Miranda warning. State courts would not consider a confession under the circumstances to be voluntary.

Get whatever you think you can get out of him and then put him in general lockup before the trial.

Things will take care of themselves.


That whole "equal protection under the law" and "innocent until proven guilty" is just silly talk anyway.

Funny how the biggest "patriots" are the ones who ignore every part of the Constitution other than the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-04-21 09:30:40 PM

ZAZ: A politician was blowing his mouth off. They do that sometimes. A military trial would have to be based on the global war on terror and the 2001 authorization for use of military force against terrorists. At this point there isn't any evidence of international terrorism or even domestic terrorism. Terrorism is not the same as killing a lot of people.


This.  Right now, it's a mass murder incident.
 
2013-04-21 09:30:42 PM

MisterTweak: Texas Gabe: Is there a CIA guy jamming his finger in the neck hole between every question?

I think probably just tugs on his catheter every time he wants to ask a question.


 or waving an oxy in his face...
 
2013-04-21 09:31:50 PM

tirob: I hope for his sake that none of the people taking care of him is related to that kid that was killed in the bombings.


Is he in the same hospital where the bombing victims were sent?  If so, I'd imagine that this has been a very awkward weekend.
 
2013-04-21 09:33:42 PM

NewportBarGuy: djkutch: know your ran over your brother's body during your get away? Feels?

From the vague reports, sounds like he probably killed his brother. Yes, please live with that for a few years.


bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
*breathes*
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2013-04-21 09:33:52 PM
At this point, they will have to focus their questioning about public safety, as in "are there more bombs", "where are additional bombs", "are there other who were helping you who might be ready to hurt people"???


This is permitted under the ruling about public safety.

They do not need to, nor should they, ask him questions related to intended prosecution. For that, they will have evidence taken from the chase, the capture, his apartments, eye witnesses and video. There is no reason to compromise any of that.
 
2013-04-21 09:33:58 PM
D-R-I-N-K Y-O-U-R O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E

Wtf?
 
2013-04-21 09:34:07 PM

AcesFull: MisterTweak: Texas Gabe: Is there a CIA guy jamming his finger in the neck hole between every question?

I think probably just tugs on his catheter every time he wants to ask a question.

 or waving an oxy in his face...


yeah, i imagined the nurse with the pain killers swappin' it for naloxone by accident but i kinda hope our system is better than that. If there is ANYTHING we've learned from Stargate, it's be nice, cause you never know who the aliens will interview to decide if you're worth keeping around.

/wonder what they'll put in his veins when it's time to talk
 
2013-04-21 09:34:10 PM

BrieBelle00: ZAZ: BrieBelle00

Military court is not plausible based on what we know now. Military court is very unlikely even if we learn he was a member of a foreign-directed terrorist group against which the President is authorized to use military force. He's a United States citizen caught in the United States after committing a crime within the United States.

The real question is state court (life without parole) or federal court (death).

Oh, I completely agree with you - I thought the dimwits in Congress were still trying to get it moved to the Military Courts.


Why would either military or federal court be an option (except that the chickenhawks in Congress want it)? He was arrested by Boston PD, in Boston, for killing American civilians in a purely criminal act. The only reason Tim McVeigh's case was removed to federal court was because of the presence of federal agents at the Murrah Building, and the risk of his being unable to get a fair trial in Oklahoma state court.

This is a civil matter. There's no reason to bump it up a notch unless the Massachusetts DA decides he wants to.
 
2013-04-21 09:35:25 PM

Weaver95: SlothB77: they don't need a confession, they got enough on him already.  they want to know motive and any other accomplices.

probably.  not that they aren't already tearing his life apart down to the sub-atomic level and seeing where he went off the rails into loonie toons land...but a nice discussion about motive and how/where he learned all his bomber tricks would help speed things up quite a bit.

if there ARE other bombers out there, other cells then you can bet they just got a great reason to kick their plans into high gear.  they know Tsarnaev will crack sooner or later and once he does, the Fed will come down on 'em all like a ton of bricks drone strike.

 
2013-04-21 09:38:09 PM
He is playing Sudoku.
 
2013-04-21 09:38:56 PM
Again, he is terrible at his job...
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-21 09:39:52 PM
The federal prosecutor is going to do this one by the numbers. There is a microscope focused on this case  and if it gets screwed up because someone didn't do everything by the book then every senator and congress critter will be screaming for the next 2 years on cable news. No one wants more of that.
 
2013-04-21 09:39:56 PM
Are you feeling any discomfort? Would you like a Tylenol? OK, this is meant to be taken orally but due to your throat injury, we are going to have an orderly insert it like a suppository but all the way up to your stomach. Shaq, are you ready to administer the pain medicine?
 
2013-04-21 09:39:59 PM

Mog32Kupo: Again, he is terrible at his job...
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Is that Emilio Estevez?
 
2013-04-21 09:40:06 PM
Give him the best medical care possible (Boston is a great place for that) and a fair trial. Life in prison is far worse than the death penalty.

Find out who radicalized him, and send him a Hellfire.

"cleric", my ass.
 
2013-04-21 09:40:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: BrieBelle00: ZAZ: BrieBelle00

Military court is not plausible based on what we know now. Military court is very unlikely even if we learn he was a member of a foreign-directed terrorist group against which the President is authorized to use military force. He's a United States citizen caught in the United States after committing a crime within the United States.

The real question is state court (life without parole) or federal court (death).

Oh, I completely agree with you - I thought the dimwits in Congress were still trying to get it moved to the Military Courts.

Why would either military or federal court be an option (except that the chickenhawks in Congress want it)? He was arrested by Boston PD, in Boston, for killing American civilians in a purely criminal act. The only reason Tim McVeigh's case was removed to federal court was because of the presence of federal agents at the Murrah Building, and the risk of his being unable to get a fair trial in Oklahoma state court.

This is a civil matter. There's no reason to bump it up a notch unless the Massachusetts DA decides he wants to.


Actually, it's a criminal matter, not civil.

As for making it federal, it depends on how terrorism is viewed by the courts.  If he is classified as a terrorist, that could bump him up to the Federal level.
 
2013-04-21 09:41:33 PM

NewportBarGuy: djkutch: know your ran over your brother's body during your get away? Feels?

From the vague reports, sounds like he probably killed his brother. Yes, please live with that for a few years.


You guys are clueless.  According to the police, the older (dead) brother had run out of ammunition, and two police officers had actually tackled and subdued him.  Thats when the younger brother tried to run all 3 down.  It wasnt an accident.  They most likely made a pact to not be taken alive or something similar, and when he saw that his brother had been incapacitated, unable to even blow himself up, he decided that killing them all himself was the best solution.

Quit acting like he will feel remorse.. he did his brother a favor.
 
2013-04-21 09:43:27 PM

ka1axy: Give him the best medical care possible (Boston is a great place for that) and a fair trial. Life in prison is far worse than the death penalty.

Find out who radicalized him, and send him a Hellfire.

"cleric", my ass.


There's evil clerics. Do you even D&D?
 
2013-04-21 09:43:30 PM

Alonjar: NewportBarGuy: djkutch: know your ran over your brother's body during your get away? Feels?

From the vague reports, sounds like he probably killed his brother. Yes, please live with that for a few years.

You guys are clueless.  According to the police, the older (dead) brother had run out of ammunition, and two police officers had actually tackled and subdued him.  Thats when the younger brother tried to run all 3 down.  It wasnt an accident.  They most likely made a pact to not be taken alive or something similar, and when he saw that his brother had been incapacitated, unable to even blow himself up, he decided that killing them all himself was the best solution.

Quit acting like he will feel remorse.. he did his brother a favor.


damn... thats hardkore
 
2013-04-21 09:43:45 PM
"Lol my brother is cooked"
 
2013-04-21 09:43:53 PM

wademh: Are you feeling any discomfort? Would you like a Tylenol? OK, this is meant to be taken orally but due to your throat injury, we are going to have an orderly insert it like a suppository but all the way up to your stomach. Shaq, are you ready to administer the pain medicine?


www.sportsauthority.com
while holding a ball
 
2013-04-21 09:43:55 PM

calbert: it would be nice if all Americans could receive the level of free health care that this piece of sh*t has received.


Just like everyone who gets into the hospital, he'll be billed for the health care. Stamping license plates only pays so much, however. It's not "free," although he'll never be able to afford the bill.
 
2013-04-21 09:44:12 PM

Gyrfalcon: Why would either military or federal court be an option (except that the chickenhawks in Congress want it)? He was arrested by Boston PD, in Boston, for killing American civilians in a purely criminal act. The only reason Tim McVeigh's case was removed to federal court was because of the presence of federal agents at the Murrah Building, and the risk of his being unable to get a fair trial in Oklahoma state court.

This is a civil matter. There's no reason to bump it up a notch unless the Massachusetts DA decides he wants to.


He can be charged by the Feds, just like the 1993 WTC bombers and McVeigh. The news is describing the possible Federal charge as "use of a weapon of mass destruction to kill people".
 
2013-04-21 09:45:24 PM
He hasn't been read his rights!  This is 0bummer's America!  He's going to have us all under marshal law!  Illegal home searches!
 
2013-04-21 09:46:12 PM

Sid_6.7: [i140.photobucket.com image 590x375]

/*ding, ding*


"Dea ain't a word, Tsarnaev! Quit talking nonsense!"
 
2013-04-21 09:46:15 PM
Send the kid to Pyongyang. Tell him that we will reduce his charges to murder 1 and he will live out his life in a federal prison.. but only if he manages to nuke Fat Kim and most (if not all) of the DPRK's government officials in Pyongyang. Kill two birds with one stone.
 
2013-04-21 09:46:19 PM
I would imagine they would like to know if there are any more bombs out there, if they had help or assistance, that kind of thing. And he should get a fair trial, by a jury of his peers, followed by a first-rate execution. If I'm not mistaken, isn't killing a police officer in the commission of a crime a federal offense? Correct me if I'm wrong on this one.
 
2013-04-21 09:46:33 PM

thisiszombocom: Alonjar: NewportBarGuy: djkutch: know your ran over your brother's body during your get away? Feels?

From the vague reports, sounds like he probably killed his brother. Yes, please live with that for a few years.

You guys are clueless.  According to the police, the older (dead) brother had run out of ammunition, and two police officers had actually tackled and subdued him.  Thats when the younger brother tried to run all 3 down.  It wasnt an accident.  They most likely made a pact to not be taken alive or something similar, and when he saw that his brother had been incapacitated, unable to even blow himself up, he decided that killing them all himself was the best solution.

Quit acting like he will feel remorse.. he did his brother a favor.

damn... thats hardkore


No, that's a fairy tale.
 
2013-04-21 09:47:21 PM

ka1axy: Give him the best medical care possible (Boston is a great place for that) and a fair trial. Life in prison is far worse than the death penalty.


I think he would prefer to get the federal death penalty than life in a state prison.  He killed a child.  That will make him very unpopular among the general prison population.

Great Janitor:
As for making it federal, it depends on how terrorism is viewed by the courts.  If he is classified as a terrorist, that could bump him up to the Federal level.

Of course they will classify his case as terrorism and make it a federal case.  Good test of our nation = do we bend the rules 'cause the guy's evil, or do we go by the book based solely on the fact that we are talking about a U.S. citizen?
 
2013-04-21 09:47:26 PM
From an article about this douchebag: "The friends also repeatedly said that Dzohkar Tsarnaev is a notoriously bad driver."

And according to the Boston police chief, this guy ran over his own brother while escaping and "dragged his sibling's body a short distance down the street and drove off."

DOH!
 
2013-04-21 09:48:12 PM

NewportBarGuy: Mog32Kupo: Again, he is terrible at his job...
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 256x197]

Is that Emilio Estevez?


Talentless brother Joe, from the lemon Soultaker.  But one of the best MST3k
http://mst3k.wikia.com/wiki/Soultaker
 
2013-04-21 09:48:45 PM
My current theory:

The older brother (I'm not going to bother spelling their names) was a boxer at the Olympic level... One that didn't make the Olympics. He also recently began following the teachings of a religious radical.

What if the cause of all of this was brain damage incurred as a boxer?

He got knocked around, something broke in his head, he failed to make the Olympics because of it, and the combination of brain damage and failure at his primary pursuit in life caused him to become open to crazy talk.

What if this event is not an indictment against Chechens, or Islam, or political points of view, but against full-contact sports?

Hmm.
 
2013-04-21 09:49:57 PM

ZAZ: He's so full of drugs it doesn't matter whether he got his Miranda warning. State courts would not consider a confession under the circumstances to be voluntary.


I suspect that, at the moment, they're less focused on a confession than wanting to know if there are more people involved (and therefore whether more attacks are possible).
 
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