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2013-04-21 10:29:07 PM

Relatively Obscure: Lionel Mandrake: Can someone here please explain why stripping him of his citizenship is so important?

Because we're really mad or something and it's harder to do horrible things to citizens maybe.


Yep.  In some people's minds, it relieves us from our responsibilities to the rule of law.  Thank you, Alberto Gonzales, you farking worthless shiatstain of a man.
 
2013-04-21 10:29:27 PM
It would suck to be this dudes lawyer.
 
2013-04-21 10:29:37 PM

Relatively Obscure: ZAZ: So no. 180+ people injured is not remotely "mass" in the sense of "weapons of mass destruction."

For purposes of federal criminal law, a "weapon of mass destruction" includes any "destructive device." 18 USC 2332a. A "destructive device" includes any bomb, grenade, rocket with more than four ounces of propellant, and any projectile launcher with a caliber over .50 inches (except for Attorney General approved shotguns). 18 USC 921. A potato gun is a weapon of mass destruction, if "designed for use as a weapon" and used against a U.S. national.

Oh yeah?  Well, the law also says that "mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form."

So weapons of mass destruction don't exist anywhere!


Actually, a nuclear bomb converts mass into radiation and energy, so technically it would destroy mass.
 
2013-04-21 10:29:42 PM

awalkingecho: Arthur Jumbles: What I want to know is what have police done with the third man? The naked man who they captured the night of the MIT shooting. How is he related to the bombing brothers? What about the naked man!

I'm pretty sure they stripped him when they carjacked his car, as either a change of clothes or to leave behind as a distraction. Or at least that's what I heard circulating. Not sure if accurate.

hunh: I find it interesting that there is no mention of the guns they used. Not the usual AK-47, Glock, assault rifle you usually hear, and in the gun control frenzy the politicians are in right now.

I'll try and find the source but one of the police reports I read said they had semi-auto pistols at the first encounter.


Glocks alone prolly kill more people than every spree rifle combined ever each year.
 
2013-04-21 10:29:56 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lionel Mandrake: Can someone here please explain why stripping him of his citizenship is so important?

That way we can string him [up] and drag his body through town behind a horse.
At least I think that's what they're getting at.

ftfm
 
2013-04-21 10:29:57 PM

cretinbob: You realize the nationality of his doctor has nothing to do with anything, unless you are an overt racist, right?


And openly Jewish; if it wasn't that article there was another where the doctor was at-length questioned as to whether or not faith was affecting, consciously or unconsciously the care he was receiving. It was a point of interest; enough so that a news source actually made an article centered around it, so fark me for sharing it.

Cats and dogs living together.

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2013-04-21 10:30:02 PM
As predicted, Fartbongo is preparing to pardon him.
 
2013-04-21 10:30:10 PM

Relatively Obscure: Lionel Mandrake: Can someone here please explain why stripping him of his citizenship is so important?

Because we're really mad or something and it's harder to do horrible things to citizens maybe.


That's about all I can figure.

Which is pretty fkn sick.
 
2013-04-21 10:30:25 PM

jaytkay: saturn badger: Gyrfalcon: This is a civilcriminal matter. There's no reason to bump it up a notch unless the Massachusetts DA decides he wants to.

FTFY

People are using "civil" meaning "civilian" Everybody understands this is a criminal matter.


Then they should use the proper terminology. Civil in my mind means suits and such. Even civilian does not convey criminal. What is a civilian court? All I can find is it is not a military court but mostly goog tells me it is a civil and not a criminal court. There is a distinct difference.
 
2013-04-21 10:30:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Can someone here please explain why stripping him of his citizenship is so important?


The ITGs are masturbating over the thought of torturing the kid and sending him to Gitmo.
 
2013-04-21 10:30:49 PM
Also, just as a further evidence of probable Federal prosecution, he was actually taken into custody by the FBI. Boston PD were on the scene but it was the Feds that caught him so he is already technically in Federal custody.
 
2013-04-21 10:31:53 PM

phrawgh: As predicted, Fartbongo is preparing to pardon him.


...and then give him the Presidential Medal of Freedom
 
2013-04-21 10:31:59 PM

Mad_Radhu: Relatively Obscure: ZAZ: So no. 180+ people injured is not remotely "mass" in the sense of "weapons of mass destruction."

For purposes of federal criminal law, a "weapon of mass destruction" includes any "destructive device." 18 USC 2332a. A "destructive device" includes any bomb, grenade, rocket with more than four ounces of propellant, and any projectile launcher with a caliber over .50 inches (except for Attorney General approved shotguns). 18 USC 921. A potato gun is a weapon of mass destruction, if "designed for use as a weapon" and used against a U.S. national.

Oh yeah?  Well, the law also says that "mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form."

So weapons of mass destruction don't exist anywhere!

Actually, a nuclear bomb converts mass into radiation and energy, so technically it would destroy mass.


Er.. no?
 
2013-04-21 10:32:09 PM

LordJiro: Arthur Jumbles: What I want to know is what have police done with the third man? The naked man who they captured the night of the MIT shooting. How is he related to the bombing brothers? What about the naked man!

The naked man was naked because the police made him strip in case he had a bomb on him, like the older brother did.


Yeah, but who is he? How is he connected to the brothers? If a third person is involved that makes it sound more like a terrorist cell.
 
2013-04-21 10:33:21 PM

Mad_Radhu: Actually, a nuclear bomb converts mass into radiation and energy, so technically it would destroy mass.


Physics. How the fark does it work?
 
2013-04-21 10:33:33 PM

Samwise Gamgee: It's possible I've seen too much Mission: Impossible.


And they could tape it. The only problem is the tape would self destruct in five seconds.
 
2013-04-21 10:33:40 PM
I wonder if he's going to be talking like this woman for the rest of his life:

cdn.abclocal.go.com
 
2013-04-21 10:34:16 PM

saturn badger: BrieBelle00: saturn badger: BrieBelle00: I wonder what they're asking him at this point... has it been for-sure decided where he'll be tried, yet (military or civi court)?

Military or civi? Not sure where you got that idea. Neither apply here. My guess would be criminal court.

It wasn't  my idea, it was the republicans who were discussing trying to get the Bush-era debates going again so this kid could be moved to a tribunal. I know he doesn't qualify for anything other than State or Federal.

I didn't get that from your comment and have been tuned out of the news the last few days. Been out chillin' and partying. Sometimes that is a better place to be.


Totally hear ya there... I left the news completely off almost all day yesterday - then when I turned it on people were shooting into the crowd in Colorado at the 4/20 rally, and then, like, 5 people were killed in an avalanche. So I turned it back off. If the Mayas had predicted April instead of December, idda been nervous this week...
 
2013-04-21 10:34:16 PM
It's simple.  Obama wanted miranda warnings for terrorist under bush.  Now that black bush is in charge, well we can just ship him off to Guantanamo or some other unlisted facility.
 
2013-04-21 10:34:19 PM

J Noble Daggett: At this point, they will have to focus their questioning about public safety, as in "are there more bombs", "where are additional bombs", "are there other who were helping you who might be ready to hurt people"???


This is permitted under the ruling about public safety.

They do not need to, nor should they, ask him questions related to intended prosecution. For that, they will have evidence taken from the chase, the capture, his apartments, eye witnesses and video. There is no reason to compromise any of that.


Bingo.

This questioning, the whole "Public Safety Exemption" is on the idea that maybe they weren't acting alone, that they had other contacts in the US, or had other bombs set, or at least built.

The evidence against him is a goddamn mountain without him saying a word.  As has been pointed out, the murder of the MIT PD officer alone, which was WELL documented on its own, is enough to make sure he's never a free man again.  If he doesn't say a thing, or if everything he says is ruled inadmissible in court, he's still never going to walk free again.

You think prosecutors are going to flush their career over a slam-dunk super-high-profile case on something as simple as a freaking Miranda Warning?  I'm sure they are quite sure of their course of action on this.
 
2013-04-21 10:34:59 PM

saturn badger: People are using "civil" meaning "civilian" Everybody understands this is a criminal matter.

Then they should use the proper terminology. Civil in my mind means suits and such.


Lighten up. Non-lawyers are not using proper legal terms. It happens.
 
2013-04-21 10:35:03 PM

wxboy: I wonder if he's going to be talking like this woman for the rest of his life:

[cdn.abclocal.go.com image 600x338]


What the shiat, man?
 
2013-04-21 10:36:42 PM

ideamaster: It's simple.  Obama wanted miranda warnings for terrorist under bush.  Now that black bush is in charge, well we can just ship him off to Guantanamo or some other unlisted facility.


I'll give you 1/10, because there are actually people stupid enough to believe that.
 
2013-04-21 10:37:00 PM

Relatively Obscure: Mad_Radhu: Relatively Obscure: ZAZ: So no. 180+ people injured is not remotely "mass" in the sense of "weapons of mass destruction."

For purposes of federal criminal law, a "weapon of mass destruction" includes any "destructive device." 18 USC 2332a. A "destructive device" includes any bomb, grenade, rocket with more than four ounces of propellant, and any projectile launcher with a caliber over .50 inches (except for Attorney General approved shotguns). 18 USC 921. A potato gun is a weapon of mass destruction, if "designed for use as a weapon" and used against a U.S. national.

Oh yeah?  Well, the law also says that "mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form."

So weapons of mass destruction don't exist anywhere!

Actually, a nuclear bomb converts mass into radiation and energy, so technically it would destroy mass.

Er.. no?


I've seen people deny the theory of evolution, but that was the first time I've seen a denial of the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2013-04-21 10:37:15 PM
Didnt go through the entire thread but is there a chance that because his Miranda rights were not read, that this guy could walk?

As much as I want to see him in a maximum security prison and expect that to be the outcome, the ACLU president in the article has a point. If we change our laws in this manner, then the terrorists really have won.
 
2013-04-21 10:38:55 PM

Lionel Mandrake: phrawgh: As predicted, Fartbongo is preparing to pardon him.

...and then give him the Presidential Medal of Freedom


Them foreign born muslims always stick together.
 
2013-04-21 10:39:22 PM

HotWingAgenda: I've seen people deny the theory of evolution, but that was the first time I've seen a denial of the laws of thermodynamics.


I was going to protest him but he's either trolling or literally too dumb to understand fission or fusion, so I figured it would be a waste of bandwidth.
 
2013-04-21 10:39:43 PM

saturn badger: jaytkay: saturn badger: Gyrfalcon: This is a civilcriminal matter. There's no reason to bump it up a notch unless the Massachusetts DA decides he wants to.

FTFY

People are using "civil" meaning "civilian" Everybody understands this is a criminal matter.

Then they should use the proper terminology. Civil in my mind means suits and such. Even civilian does not convey criminal. What is a civilian court? All I can find is it is not a military court but mostly goog tells me it is a civil and not a criminal court. There is a distinct difference.


In the military we referred to anything civilian as 'civi' (no L on the end); so it was military or civilian court, not civil court.
 
2013-04-21 10:39:48 PM

Coastalgrl: Didnt go through the entire thread but is there a chance that because his Miranda rights were not read, that this guy could walk?


This is bullshiat.

You don't have to immediately read someone's Miranda Rights, especially not when they are in need of urgent medical assistance. There are multiple clauses when it can be delayed.

No one walks merely because they were not read their miranda rights, that's TV fiction
 
2013-04-21 10:40:49 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Seriously, just because they're calling it an act of terrorism doesn't mean it's automatically going to go before a federal court.  They'll give MA the first choice at a trial, just like was done with John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo.


I think they'll weigh options.  Virginia got first crack at Muhammed and Malvo because they have the death penalty, but Maryland did not.  Since Mass doesn't have the death penalty, there is more pressure to charge them in federal court.
 
2013-04-21 10:41:21 PM
My proposed punishment: locked in a cell with the gruesome injuries he caused plastered on the walls around him, Dexter-style. He'll spend the rest of his life looking at bloody stumps dead/suffering people, and the picture of his brother's mutilated corpse front and center.

And the first meal delivered to him should be chicken wings and... something with marinara sauce. Enjoy your meal!
 
2013-04-21 10:41:21 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: The brothers' uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told the Associated Press that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was "used" by his older brother to carry out the bombing. "He's not been understanding anything," Tsarni said. "He's a 19-year-old boy."

/Ya, i'm not buying that shiat dude. I can understand your family's pain at being relations to terrorists, but he's 19, MORE than old enough to know that planting bombs and blowing up innocent men, women, and children is wrong. Esp since he's been in country this long. I don't doubt that his brother was a major teacher of hate and intolerance, but he had his own mind, and unless you can prove he's a sociopath, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and its consequences.


I am no longer 19 but I damned well knew well before that age one did not put explosives in crowds of people. I also knew there would be fearsome consequences if I did. Uncle Tsarni can join the rest of his clan with their heads up their asses.
 
2013-04-21 10:41:26 PM
Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.

My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American.  Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others.  As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction).  In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary).

My opinion in regard to my faith and as a human being is that no unnecessary suffering (excluding any pain due to life-saving or life-maintaining actions) should come to him,  even though I believe he likely did it (to the effect I'd have to sit out of a jury).  I also believe that he shouldn't be sentenced to death unless his continued existence, no matter what actions we could possibly undertake, would still pose a threat to innocent life.

Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Whatever this persons motivations were, you wishing those kinds of things upon him, suggesting you'd be ambivalent to them happening, or wishing you could do it yourself makes you the same kind of person you believe this fellow to be.  You don't think terrorists have their own justification, like you, for thinking their actions (or willingness to cause suffering) as right?

/Two Iraq deployments for a year and a half
//Despite being shot at, fellow soldiers injured and killed, poisoned, threatened, insulted and knowing that if I was captured that terrible things would be done to me, 100% of any prisoners or suspects I had control of were treated like human beings.  Not just because of my beliefs, but that's how decent and civilized human beings roll.
///So yeah, I can practice what I preach, even in the shiat.
 
2013-04-21 10:41:35 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lionel Mandrake: Can someone here please explain why stripping him of his citizenship is so important?

That way we can string him and drag his body through town behind a horse.
At least I think that's what they're getting at.


And, in spite of all the desire to strip him of any rights, he still has them regardless of his citizenship. These Farkers are forgetting that the Bill of Rights applies to everyone, not just citizens.

I see a lot of pro-2A anti-gun-control people demanding we remove this dude's rights.
 
2013-04-21 10:42:55 PM

scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: The federal prosecutor is going to do this one by the numbers. There is a microscope focused on this case and if it gets screwed up because someone didn't do everything by the book then every senator and congress critter will be screaming for the next 2 years on cable news. No one wants more of that.


Getting off on a technicality does not happen anymore. Around here they arrested a guy for raping a few people but the city DA farked up the paperwork and he sat in jail for close to a year before the judge dismissed his case. Somehow after that a petition of sorts was filed and new charges were brought.
 
2013-04-21 10:43:08 PM

awalkingecho: HotWingAgenda: I've seen people deny the theory of evolution, but that was the first time I've seen a denial of the laws of thermodynamics.

I was going to protest him but he's either trolling or literally too dumb to understand fission or fusion, so I figured it would be a waste of bandwidth.


You're worried about wasting bandwidth?  Here?
 
2013-04-21 10:43:10 PM

saturn badger: jaytkay: saturn badger: Gyrfalcon: This is a civilcriminal matter. There's no reason to bump it up a notch unless the Massachusetts DA decides he wants to.

FTFY

People are using "civil" meaning "civilian" Everybody understands this is a criminal matter.

Then they should use the proper terminology. Civil in my mind means suits and such. Even civilian does not convey criminal. What is a civilian court? All I can find is it is not a military court but mostly goog tells me it is a civil and not a criminal court. There is a distinct difference.


Don't be silly, they still wear suits in criminal courts.
 
2013-04-21 10:43:28 PM

Coastalgrl: Didnt go through the entire thread but is there a chance that because his Miranda rights were not read, that this guy could walk?


No.

Miranda warning makes things admissible in court. They can ask him anything without Mirandizing, as long as they don't want or need the responses for a conviction.

So, for example, I am sure they are asking if there are more bombs that need to be defused.
 
2013-04-21 10:43:40 PM

Coastalgrl: Didnt go through the entire thread but is there a chance that because his Miranda rights were not read, that this guy could walk?


No.  Regardless of what he says, they have enough evidence otherwise to keep him in jail, particularly with the murder of the MIT officer.  Presumably they have physical evidence for the bombings as well.

It's not like they are holding someone they NEED a confession from.  It would be nice, but I imagine they have plenty of other evidence they can use.
 
2013-04-21 10:43:59 PM

HotWingAgenda: Relatively Obscure: Mad_Radhu: Relatively Obscure: ZAZ: So no. 180+ people injured is not remotely "mass" in the sense of "weapons of mass destruction."

For purposes of federal criminal law, a "weapon of mass destruction" includes any "destructive device." 18 USC 2332a. A "destructive device" includes any bomb, grenade, rocket with more than four ounces of propellant, and any projectile launcher with a caliber over .50 inches (except for Attorney General approved shotguns). 18 USC 921. A potato gun is a weapon of mass destruction, if "designed for use as a weapon" and used against a U.S. national.

Oh yeah?  Well, the law also says that "mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form."

So weapons of mass destruction don't exist anywhere!

Actually, a nuclear bomb converts mass into radiation and energy, so technically it would destroy mass.

Er.. no?

I've seen people deny the theory of evolution, but that was the first time I've seen a denial of the laws of thermodynamics.


Simply confusing mass with energy.
 
2013-04-21 10:45:30 PM

lifeboat: That's exactly what the reports out now are saying - that his neck injury was him eating a bullet. He put the gun in his mouth and fired straight back through his neck, and not up through his head.


Then he has terrible aim. The correct aim in that instance would have paralyzed him so he couldn't write.

He seems incompetent all the way around except setting a back pack down.
 
2013-04-21 10:46:10 PM

astouffer: Getting off on a technicality does not happen anymore. Around here they arrested a guy for raping a few people but the city DA farked up the paperwork and he sat in jail for close to a year before the judge dismissed his case. Somehow after that a petition of sorts was filed and new charges were brought


Isn't that double jeopardy? Or were they different charges? I'd imagine they couldn't have been as serious as his first ones, if so.

 

Relatively Obscure: You're worried about wasting bandwidth?  Here?


I dunno man, Fark got farked several times this week over this case... I don't want to use all Drew's beer money.
 
2013-04-21 10:46:49 PM

Coastalgrl: Didnt go through the entire thread but is there a chance that because his Miranda rights were not read, that this guy could walk?

As much as I want to see him in a maximum security prison and expect that to be the outcome, the ACLU president in the article has a point. If we change our laws in this manner, then the terrorists really have won.


Yo don't get to walk simply because you weren't Mirandized. The results of not being informed of your rights would mean that any confession or evidence you provided may not be admissible in court. If that's the only evidence they have, then you might walk.
 
2013-04-21 10:46:52 PM

awalkingecho: Relatively Obscure: You're worried about wasting bandwidth? Here?

I dunno man, Fark got farked several times this week over this case... I don't want to use all Drew's beer money.


Fair point.  Fair point.
 
2013-04-21 10:47:02 PM

Xyphoid: Pretty disturbing reading how many people want him tortured and/or extrajudicially punished, or just plain wishing suffering upon him.

My opinion, as an American, is I want him afforded every right I'd expect myself as an American.  Those rights and the treatment we espouse to be sacred are a significant portion of what makes our country better than many others.  As well, my country claims to stand against, and has hung people for, torture/"enhanced interrogation"/increasing suffering (even through inaction).  In that regard I also believe any intentional suffering caused upon someone in custody is a crime that should be punished, as is the opinion of the legal system* (*- sadly, your mileage may vary).

My opinion in regard to my faith and as a human being is that no unnecessary suffering (excluding any pain due to life-saving or life-maintaining actions) should come to him,  even though I believe he likely did it (to the effect I'd have to sit out of a jury).  I also believe that he shouldn't be sentenced to death unless his continued existence, no matter what actions we could possibly undertake, would still pose a threat to innocent life.

Some of you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Whatever this persons motivations were, you wishing those kinds of things upon him, suggesting you'd be ambivalent to them happening, or wishing you could do it yourself makes you the same kind of person you believe this fellow to be.  You don't think terrorists have their own justification, like you, for thinking their actions (or willingness to cause suffering) as right?

/Two Iraq deployments for a year and a half
//Despite being shot at, fellow soldiers injured and killed, poisoned, threatened, insulted and knowing that if I was captured that terrible things would be done to me, 100% of any prisoners or suspects I had control of were treated like human beings.  Not just because of my beliefs, but that's how decent and civilized human beings roll.
///So yeah, I can practice ...


I think most people would settle for a fair trial and then execution.  Not really sure we need to torture him unless there's a sleep cell planning more attacks, and even then we'd need pretty good proof that that's the case.
 
2013-04-21 10:47:09 PM

I_C_Weener: [smhttp.14409.nexcesscdn.net image 598x300]


Stay frosty.
 
2013-04-21 10:47:49 PM

awalkingecho: HotWingAgenda: I've seen people deny the theory of evolution, but that was the first time I've seen a denial of the laws of thermodynamics.

I was going to protest him but he's either trolling or literally too dumb to understand fission or fusion, so I figured it would be a waste of bandwidth.


that's bizarre. Especially here on Nuclearphysiciststalkaboutthenews.com
 
2013-04-21 10:48:01 PM

awalkingecho: HotWingAgenda: I've seen people deny the theory of evolution, but that was the first time I've seen a denial of the laws of thermodynamics.

I was going to protest him but he's either trolling or literally too dumb to understand fission or fusion, so I figured it would be a waste of bandwidth.


i35.tinypic.com

When I was twelve, I helped my daddy build a bomb shelter in our basement because some fool parked a dozen warheads 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Well, this thing could park a coupla hundred warheads off Washington and New York and no one would know anything about it till it was all over.
 
2013-04-21 10:48:35 PM
wheres his lawyer?
 
2013-04-21 10:49:10 PM
I really don't care about learning this douchebag's name. From here on out I'm calling him Jeckle. The dead one will be Heckle.
 
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