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(NPR)   "This week, these awful events have cemented the reality that the media is now everyone, anyone, with a computer or a smart phone, a Twitter account or a Facebook page"   (npr.org) divider line 46
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2013-04-21 03:54:10 PM
And with the same degree of accuracy.
 
2013-04-21 03:54:32 PM
Well, just look at a bunch of lazy bored farkers compared to national news organizations.
 
2013-04-21 03:54:53 PM
That happened long before this week.
 
2013-04-21 03:55:14 PM
Wikipedia problem meets MSM.
 
2013-04-21 03:59:31 PM
still better than fox news, amirite
 
2013-04-21 04:01:18 PM

gilatrout: Wikipedia problem meets MSM.


Yep.
 
2013-04-21 04:03:13 PM
media.sfx.co.ukacceso-directo.comi1.cdnds.net

/hot
 
2013-04-21 04:04:16 PM
Dicks get clicks
 
2013-04-21 04:04:22 PM
While the Internet gets news faster than traditional news outlets, it's also often times more inaccurate than what those same traditional news outlets would put out.  That's not an absolute, which we saw last week; the Internet by and large got shiat a lot more right and a lot quicker than CNN & Co. did.  I remarked to someone during the MIT shooting/carjacking/Watertown events that it was all over Twitter and other websites one hour before any network or cable station picked up on it.  In fact, Lester Holt at MSNBC needed to be woken up to get his ass to the studio so they could go live with information.  There were IEDs all over the street and one person in the hospital before CNN even mentioned the officer at MIT had been shot.  Interestingly, they were also last to pick up on the fact that all these events were connected to the Boston Marathon bombing that Monday.
 
2013-04-21 04:04:51 PM
Cell phone cameras: simultaneously the best and worst thing to ever happen to police investigations.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:19 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: That happened long before this week.


Just ask Abraham Zapruder.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:30 PM
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Seeing tv journalists read directly from Twitter or FB is about as lazy as one can possibly get.
 
2013-04-21 04:07:19 PM
An important distinction that many of the great unwashed masses are not aware of:

When you post to Facebook, it is not shared with 100% of your followers/friends/fans.  That is, Facebook shares your post with a certain % of your 'friends' via an algorithmic that takes into account your interaction with them, similar interests, etc.

When you post to Twitter, it is delivered to 100% of your followers.
 
2013-04-21 04:07:32 PM
This may explain why media outlets don't feel the need to verify before publishing.  Ain't nobody got time for that
 
2013-04-21 04:07:38 PM

YoOjo: [media.sfx.co.uk image 610x406][acceso-directo.com image 640x360][i1.cdnds.net image 618x370]

/hot


That episode blew me away. Black Mirror is one of the best shows ever.
 
2013-04-21 04:10:10 PM

vicejay: An important distinction that many of the great unwashed masses are not aware of:

When you post to Facebook, it is not shared with 100% of your followers/friends/fans.  That is, Facebook shares your post with a certain % of your 'friends' via an algorithmic that takes into account your interaction with them, similar interests, etc.

When you post to Twitter, it is delivered to 100% of your followers.


George Takkei did one of the best jobs I've seen of breaking down how that works, and how to try getting around it.

/hint: pics are more viral than links
 
2013-04-21 04:10:33 PM

redsquid: YoOjo: [media.sfx.co.uk image 610x406][acceso-directo.com image 640x360][i1.cdnds.net image 618x370]

/hot

That episode blew me away. Black Mirror is one of the best shows ever.


100% This.
That episode resonated with me a LOT.
So many people choose to view real life, as it is happening, through their phone now.
 
2013-04-21 04:10:54 PM
Takei... my apologies
 
2013-04-21 04:10:56 PM
This becomes the scary part, because the media organizations can be held to account (Fark you, CNN!), but the average person who starts a lie and misinformation, who leads a witchhunt will not be held to the same account. The people on a subreddit that tried to identify the bombers were defensive when other took their misinformed speculation as fact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/boston-marathon-investigati on -reddit-detectives_n_3101126.html

The question is how as a society we balance the value created by technology (all the cameras and footage that was supplied as evidence) without the training and professionalism. There are few of us trained in police work outside of watching wholly unrealistic dramas. Few of us have the basics of journalism, asking question and inquiry. 

Major media organizations have undermined their credibility, which no doubt is why many people turn to other sources, but there is a case for a certain level of gatekeeper and expert to sort through this. What there needs to be is a true demand on the part of consumers to drop the retarded, partisan news structure of today and refocus on serious news gathering and investigative journalism that will instill in journalists. And there needs to be as much skepticism of online journalists as we have developed of major news (fark you, CNN!)

Also, let's farking remember that in the middle of a crisis establishing facts will be hard, some mistakes may be made and none of it is 'proof' of a global Illumnati campaign, because seriously, the Illuminati would have had this shiat locked down tighter if 1% of what is attributed to them were true (fark you, Alex Jones!)
 
2013-04-21 04:11:45 PM
Twitter is the new ham radio
 
2013-04-21 04:14:49 PM

Ed Willy: This becomes the scary part, because the media organizations can be held to account


Counterpoint: Rupert Murdoch
 
2013-04-21 04:17:14 PM
At the same time, how many laughs have we gotten because of it as well?

fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net

/wish I remember who did this
 
2013-04-21 04:17:36 PM
I knew all along that I was Jewish.
 
2013-04-21 04:18:32 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Ed Willy: This becomes the scary part, because the media organizations can be held to account

Counterpoint: Rupert Murdoch


Touche, though he is being forced to separate his beloved tabloids from the rest of his business for phone hacking. Not a deadly blow, but hopefully a crack in the empire that grows
 
2013-04-21 04:24:44 PM
Imagine how much more free our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors on the spot instead of filtered sources controlled by capitalists.
 
2013-04-21 04:32:28 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Imagine how much more free our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors on the spot instead of filtered sources controlled by capitalists.


You mean the FW:FW:FW: e-mails, unsubstantiated neighborhood gossip and ravings about fluoride and vaccines will be a better replacement than reforming the news media to do their job?
 
2013-04-21 04:40:21 PM
Can reddit just stop patting themselves on the back please? They're the source of so much of the misinformation, yet they're so proud of all they supposedly think they did.
 
2013-04-21 04:48:24 PM
"This week, these awful events have cemented the awful reality that the media is now everyone, anyone, with a computer or a smart phone, a Twitter account or a Facebook page"

FTFU
 
2013-04-21 04:52:53 PM
I try not to give news serious consideration until it's at least three days old.  Real-time reports are just entertainment, no matter what the source.
 
2013-04-21 04:53:37 PM
Though there was still too much speculation and filler while awaiting real info, it was always presented as such so I was satisfied with msnbc. And when the internet was going nuts with "missing Brown student" they specifically said, "no, it's not."
 
2013-04-21 05:04:53 PM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Imagine how much more free our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors on the spot instead of filtered sources controlled by capitalists.


Imagine how much more stupid our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors who never even graduated high school, and can't negotiate complex ideas and relationships.Folks who can't tell the number of sides in a triangle. Really.
 
2013-04-21 05:24:35 PM
Every time I hear about somebody's Twitter 'followers' it makes me think of them as Jim Jones or Charles Manson.
 
2013-04-21 05:31:54 PM
...or a TF account.
 
2013-04-21 05:58:13 PM
So I guess you'd say than anymore journalists are just

(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

phoning it in.


/yeah
 
2013-04-21 06:05:45 PM

dmax: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Imagine how much more free our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors on the spot instead of filtered sources controlled by capitalists.

Imagine how much more stupid our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors who never even graduated high school, and can't negotiate complex ideas and relationships.Folks who can't tell the number of sides in a triangle. Really.


If you listen to your friends who can't count the number of sides a triangle has, the problem might be with yourself.

I think the bigger problem is we as a society expect our children to raise themselves or by other folks who we may not even know of.
 
2013-04-21 06:09:11 PM
I still have a mancrush on Sgt Fury.  Without a police scanner, Fark would not have been awake all night following BPD track down bicyclists.  And I would not have learned that BPD has a Sgt Fury who cleaned shiat up and got everyone on track
 
2013-04-21 06:10:36 PM

Tozmo: I still have a mancrush on Sgt Fury.  Without a police scanner, Fark would not have been awake all night following BPD track down bicyclists.  And I would not have learned that BPD has a Sgt Fury who cleaned shiat up and got everyone on track


Don't forget Kevin "in-and-out" Brennan.
 
2013-04-21 06:46:59 PM
links136:
I think the bigger problem is we as a society expect our children to raise themselves or by other folks who we may not even know of.

ooooh. Outside ideas! That's scary, eh kids?
 turbosexophonic.files.wordpress.com

Depending on where you are reared, your dream is to get some ideas from people other than the ones around you.
 
2013-04-21 07:49:01 PM

Ed Willy: This becomes the scary part, because the media organizations can be held to account (Fark you, CNN!), but the average person who starts a lie and misinformation, who leads a witchhunt will not be held to the same account. The people on a subreddit that tried to identify the bombers were defensive when other took their misinformed speculation as fact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/boston-marathon-investigati on -reddit-detectives_n_3101126.html

The question is how as a society we balance the value created by technology (all the cameras and footage that was supplied as evidence) without the training and professionalism. There are few of us trained in police work outside of watching wholly unrealistic dramas. Few of us have the basics of journalism, asking question and inquiry.


To be fair to the Redditors, none of them (at least very few of them) said "clearly these individuals did the crime".  The crowdsourcing project was simply a means to get a bunch of eyes on the thing and pick out interesting details that could later be evaluated by the authorities.

And really, that's where the difference is.  With the traditional media, if they say something it is given weight and assumed to be thoroughly checked.  When someone posts something on the internet, most of us (the sane ones) treat it with a certain level of skepticism.  At the very least we don't automatically assume it to be an absolute solid fact.  Internet and other "crowdsourcing" are allowed to be so quick and up to date specifically because we afford them that leeway in terms of accuracy.

Now that being said, the traditional media is doing a piss-poor job of adhering to the standards its set for itself.  Updates come at a glacial pace for some networks (CNN), and quite often are not fact checked even trivially despite the delay (every American network ever).  Networks get unconfirmed reports, fart around for an hour trying to confirm it, don't or can't, then run with it anyway.  Or more often, they evaluate how the information will play on the "fair to both sides" scale and adjust as needed before delivering.  If they have any hope of competing with the internet they need to stop doing both of those things, because the internet is not "fair" and doesn't spend an hour trying verify information that is unverifiable.
 
2013-04-21 07:53:34 PM
So the media is as biased, uninformed, uneducated and pro commercial as twitter? Saw it coming.
 
2013-04-21 08:26:21 PM
One of, my pet, p,eeves is when, someone, uses too, many commas.
 
2013-04-21 08:50:17 PM

dmax: S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Imagine how much more free our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors on the spot instead of filtered sources controlled by capitalists.

Imagine how much more stupid our country will be when our news comes from friends and neighbors who never even graduated high school, and can't negotiate complex ideas and relationships.Folks who can't tell the number of sides in a triangle. Really.


Bloody Farking Hell.
 
2013-04-21 09:30:47 PM

T-Servo: Takei... my apologies


Oh my!
 
2013-04-21 09:58:17 PM
The media companies and policticians are trying anything and everything to take this power away from us.
 
2013-04-21 09:58:24 PM
All I know is I was on Fark for 3 hours reading the updates as it was happening , and it was more accurate than any tv news outlet.
 
2013-04-22 01:09:46 AM
 
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