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(Forbes)   After failing to buy Congress and the Presidency, Koch Brothers intend to buy a newspaper empire and change all that   (forbes.com) divider line 143
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2013-04-21 04:34:11 PM  
Subby and I must have read different articles.
 
2013-04-21 05:02:09 PM  
A business is looking for something to invest in?

The horror
 
2013-04-21 05:06:43 PM  

cman: A business is looking for something to invest in?

The horror


You know how people say that guns themselves aren't dangerous?  That it's the person holding the gun that poses a threat?

Yeah, well it's not that a business looking to invest is scary, but sometimes the people doing the investing are scary.
 
2013-04-21 05:13:36 PM  
Finally, rich people will have a voice in the public debate.
 
2013-04-21 05:23:07 PM  
The author's premise rests on the assumption that the Koch brothers plan on making money out of the purchase.  Sure, taking a paper that serves a left-leaning area and moving it to the right may lose some subscriptions and end up losing money, but if it's done gradually enough a lot of people won't notice, and they may buy in to what you're selling.

If the Koch's don't see the paper and an opportunity to make money directly, but rather to try to control the spin and dialogue in several key areas to try to enhance their ideological position, they could very well be up to no good.  I'm sure they realize that die-hard liberals will mostly be immune to their charms, but there are a lot of people on the fence or who are too dumb to realize that someone is trying to spin the news and change their opinions.

The Koch brothers could take the papers and try to swing opinion knowing that they'll likely lose money doing it, but still end up ahead if it gains them the votes they need to advance their own goals.
 
2013-04-21 05:32:47 PM  
Wow. Just when I thought American corporate media couldn't get any suckier.
 
2013-04-21 05:45:04 PM  
Finally, a voice in the media for the Teabaggers!
 
2013-04-21 05:48:05 PM  
Murdoch did it.
 
2013-04-21 05:57:45 PM  
Good luck with that. I'm sure that they'll make a huge amount of money on already ailing business model that newspapers already are. Truly, they are wily, wily, wily investors. I mean, look at the cash that they dumped into the last election. I mean, they GOT their guy in didn't they?
 
2013-04-21 06:17:21 PM  
The Moonie Times path to influence.
 
2013-04-21 06:18:09 PM  
Next up:  magazines!  We can't lose Charles!
 
2013-04-21 06:31:32 PM  

Mentat: Next up:  magazines!  We can't lose Charles!


No, David, it's telegraphy!  Morse Code is the wave of the future!
 
2013-04-21 06:57:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mentat: Next up:  magazines!  We can't lose Charles!

No, David, it's telegraphy!  Morse Code is the wave of the future!


Incidentally, Morse Code is no longer required to get your HAM license. Or so I heard on a shortwave radio band.
 
2013-04-21 07:13:09 PM  
FTFY: "This is to profoundly misunderstand the politics and economics of newspapers. Proprietors do not mould the views of the readers. They chase them instead."

Mr. Worstall, you ignored the opinion of the straw man you built in the first two paragraphs. Publications and entertainment do, indeed, "chase" the opinions of their audience. The pander to it, even, assuming they exist to make money. If they are simply organs of propaganda, profit is of no concern. Surely the Koch Bros. don't need the money, they need the mouthpiece. The purpose of the Tribune group in the hands of the Kochs would most certainly be to "mould the views" of the readers. That's what propaganda organs do.

//That's right, the Koch Bros. want you to understand them better.
 
2013-04-21 07:30:55 PM  
Shadowy plutocrats who became fabulously wealthy through dodgy ethics, buying influence through acquiring legacy media? That's  okay when Carlos Slim does it.
 
2013-04-21 07:38:33 PM  

cman: A business corporation that has raped this country and used various lobbying tactics to maintain their wealth while promoting austerity at a time where posterity is needed is looking for something to invest in to control the medium in which their nefarious scheme is unveiled?

The horror


FTFY
 
2013-04-21 07:39:20 PM  
You bring them the photographs, and they'll manufacture the outrage.
 
2013-04-21 07:46:38 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: cman: A business corporation that has raped this country and used various lobbying tactics to maintain their wealth while promoting austerity at a time where posterity is needed is looking for something to invest in to control the medium in which their nefarious scheme is unveiled?

The horror

FTFY


I like Speculum's version better.
 
2013-04-21 07:48:34 PM  
The Koch Brothers have done more to f*ck up the logging industry than environmentalists in the last 30+ years. Not to mention the former (and sometimes current) practices of the industry itself.

When you are large enough to be "the" key player in setting prices, you're large enough to control a market. Even if there are other companies along for the ride, that's essentially a monopoly.
 
2013-04-21 07:48:51 PM  

hubiestubert: Good luck with that. I'm sure that they'll make a huge amount of money on already ailing business model that newspapers already are. Truly, they are wily, wily, wily investors. I mean, look at the cash that they dumped into the last election. I mean, they GOT their guy in didn't they?


If they lose a bit of money subsidizing propaganda rags that they can use as cover to reduce/eliminate taxes and regulation on their companies then it could very easily turn into a net money maker.
 
2013-04-21 07:48:55 PM  
Newspapers?

Good luck with that.
 
2013-04-21 07:51:10 PM  
This stupid notion that republicans buy elections is one of the most idiotic statements from the left.  Millionaires donate to Obama, the DNC, and liberal PACs.  DNC spent more than the RNC in 2012.  Obama spent more than Romney in 2012.

Stop your stupid "GOP buying elections!!!1!"

Remember, it was your guy that ended public funding of elections in 2008, not McCain.

What an utterly moronic assertion.
 
2013-04-21 07:53:51 PM  
So it's the late 1880's to early 1920's again in America.
 
2013-04-21 07:53:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The author's premise rests on the assumption that the Koch brothers plan on making money out of the purchase.  Sure, taking a paper that serves a left-leaning area and moving it to the right may lose some subscriptions and end up losing money, but if it's done gradually enough a lot of people won't notice, and they may buy in to what you're selling.

If the Koch's don't see the paper and an opportunity to make money directly, but rather to try to control the spin and dialogue in several key areas to try to enhance their ideological position, they could very well be up to no good.  I'm sure they realize that die-hard liberals will mostly be immune to their charms, but there are a lot of people on the fence or who are too dumb to realize that someone is trying to spin the news and change their opinions.

The Koch brothers could take the papers and try to swing opinion knowing that they'll likely lose money doing it, but still end up ahead if it gains them the votes they need to advance their own goals.


The problem with this cunning plan is that newspapers are no longer most people's primary source of news and information.  If they were buying up local TV stations they might get somewhere, but even then you've got the internet.
 
2013-04-21 07:55:36 PM  
I love how these Dick Cheney contenders can't just STFU and enjoy their money. Most people would kill for the chance to live it up if they had that much cash. I really hope these f*cks go down hard. They deserve it.
 
2013-04-21 07:56:34 PM  
Good point. The big bucks on the left won this one. I feel so represented by groups of leftist billionaires. I just wouldn't be happy having policy dictated to me any other way.
 
2013-04-21 07:58:27 PM  

Proteios1: leftist billionaires


lolwut
 
2013-04-21 07:58:40 PM  

Speaker2Animals: I like Speculum's version better.


I'm not saying they can't do that, I'm saying you shouldn't white knight them.  Maybe Cman wants to be the creme in a Koch Oreo
 
2013-04-21 07:59:02 PM  
I don't think it would be that big of a deal except that we already knew that the Koch brothers were all over Scott Walker's election like a bad rash. They basically cannot be trusted to do anything that is supportive of a functioning modern democracy.

On the plus side, if they do throw money into a newspaper, it'll rapidly turn into a black hole that'll drain their pockets to no real effect while anyone with half a brain simply does not read that newspaper.
 
2013-04-21 07:59:26 PM  
"What's a newspaper?" 

Said every under 25 year old in America.
 
2013-04-21 07:59:57 PM  

yukichigai: If they were buying up local TV stations they might get somewhere, but even then you've got the internet.


That didn't even work back in the 90's.

www.trademarkia.com
 
2013-04-21 08:00:30 PM  

MyRandomName: This stupid notion that republicans buy elections is one of the most idiotic statements from the left.  Millionaires donate to Obama, the DNC, and liberal PACs.  DNC spent more than the RNC in 2012.  Obama spent more than Romney in 2012.

Stop your stupid "GOP buying elections!!!1!"

Remember, it was your guy that ended public funding of elections in 2008, not McCain.

What an utterly moronic assertion.


I don't recall anyone saying only Republicans did this.
 
2013-04-21 08:16:29 PM  

Third Day Mark: "What's a newspaper?"
Said every under 25 year old in America.


ANNOUNCING THE NEW KOCH BROTHERS APP FOR THE IPHROID

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-21 08:19:08 PM  

yukichigai: TuteTibiImperes: The author's premise rests on the assumption that the Koch brothers plan on making money out of the purchase.  Sure, taking a paper that serves a left-leaning area and moving it to the right may lose some subscriptions and end up losing money, but if it's done gradually enough a lot of people won't notice, and they may buy in to what you're selling.

If the Koch's don't see the paper and an opportunity to make money directly, but rather to try to control the spin and dialogue in several key areas to try to enhance their ideological position, they could very well be up to no good.  I'm sure they realize that die-hard liberals will mostly be immune to their charms, but there are a lot of people on the fence or who are too dumb to realize that someone is trying to spin the news and change their opinions.

The Koch brothers could take the papers and try to swing opinion knowing that they'll likely lose money doing it, but still end up ahead if it gains them the votes they need to advance their own goals.

The problem with this cunning plan is that newspapers are no longer most people's primary source of news and information.  If they were buying up local TV stations they might get somewhere, but even then you've got the internet.


The thing is, though, if you want to plant a story in the political discourse, it seems more credible coming from the Chicago Tribune or Los Angeles Times than it does from Fox News, or the Drudge Report, or any of the other obviously right-wing news sources.  They won't let those papers get completely derpy, but they will make sure they get a narrative out there they want.
 
2013-04-21 08:25:10 PM  

Hoarseman: hubiestubert: Good luck with that. I'm sure that they'll make a huge amount of money on already ailing business model that newspapers already are. Truly, they are wily, wily, wily investors. I mean, look at the cash that they dumped into the last election. I mean, they GOT their guy in didn't they?

If they lose a bit of money subsidizing propaganda rags that they can use as cover to reduce/eliminate taxes and regulation on their companies then it could very easily turn into a net money maker.


The Uwe Boll style Tax Shelter, writ large...
 
2013-04-21 08:26:50 PM  
So they want to throw away more of their money?
 
2013-04-21 08:34:45 PM  
Good. Maybe now we can repeal the evil Obamacare and its individual mandate and institute the good Romneycare and its individual mandate.
 
2013-04-21 08:35:47 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Stop your stupid "GOP buying elections!!!1!"


We never complained about the "GOP" buying elections (well, we do, but that's a totally separate, non-partisan argument), we complained about *people* buying elections.  Specifically the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson, and Karl Rove.

Go find the name of a single democrat personally responsible for funneling $100 million or more into democratic campaigns and maybe then you'll have a sliver of an argument.  (Spoiler: George Soros came up short by about 2 orders of magnitude)
 
2013-04-21 08:37:13 PM  
So long as they can buy CBS, NBC, FOX and ABC stations plus the newspaper in the same market with the blessing of the DOJ. Then the Democrats can say in two years, "What happened?"
Or the Fairness Doctrine could re-emerge.
 
2013-04-21 08:38:10 PM  
i.imgur.com

Citizens Koch....
 
2013-04-21 08:39:27 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Murdoch did it.


And look how well it's working for poor uncle Rupert.

When someone whose failure would make you happy is about to drop a ton of cash on a very large boondoggle, you keep quiet until it's too late, and then begin pointing out the emperor's fashion faux pas.
 
2013-04-21 08:44:10 PM  

dionysusaur: DarwiOdrade: Murdoch did it.

And look how well it's working for poor uncle Rupert.

When someone whose failure would make you happy is about to drop a ton of cash on a very large boondoggle, you keep quiet until it's too late, and then begin pointing out the emperor's fashion faux pas.


To paraphrase Caesar, upon learning that Cassius was planning on marching into Parthia, "That's the best idea I've ever heard."

/We can only hope that Rupert's end is as poetic
 
2013-04-21 08:45:27 PM  
See the San Diego Union-Tribune if you want to know how this story ends.
 
2013-04-21 08:46:26 PM  
 
2013-04-21 08:53:57 PM  

jake_lex: The thing is, though, if you want to plant a story in the political discourse, it seems more credible coming from the Chicago Tribune or Los Angeles Times than it does from Fox News, or the Drudge Report, or any of the other obviously right-wing news sources.  They won't let those papers get completely derpy, but they will make sure they get a narrative out there they want.


Allow me to remind that before the ink was dry on the the contract for the purchase by the Tribune Company of the Chicago Cubs National League Baseball team, the sportswriters of the Chicago Tribune discovered a strategic necessity with a groundswell of public opinion that Wrigley Field must have lights for night baseball games.  The Tribune's WGN TV and WGN radio ad the broadcast rights for Cubs baseball.

Not that there was any corporate pressure on editorial content or anything.

(Famous columnist Mike Royko was working hard at the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper to lobby to get the Cubs for his company.)
 
2013-04-21 08:56:28 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Citizens Koch....


"Honestly Charles, people will think...."
---"WHAT I TELL THEM TO THINK!"
 
2013-04-21 08:57:01 PM  
The author concludes that the Koch brothers are no threat to journalism. His evidence? Paul Krugman is a shill who only tells NYT readers what they want to hear.

Fair. And balanced.
 
2013-04-21 09:02:42 PM  
ZOMG!  This is an outrage!  This means Romney lost and Obama is automatically President..
 
2013-04-21 09:16:05 PM  

netringer: jake_lex: The thing is, though, if you want to plant a story in the political discourse, it seems more credible coming from the Chicago Tribune or Los Angeles Times than it does from Fox News, or the Drudge Report, or any of the other obviously right-wing news sources.  They won't let those papers get completely derpy, but they will make sure they get a narrative out there they want.

Allow me to remind that before the ink was dry on the the contract for the purchase by the Tribune Company of the Chicago Cubs National League Baseball team, the sportswriters of the Chicago Tribune discovered a strategic necessity with a groundswell of public opinion that Wrigley Field must have lights for night baseball games.  The Tribune's WGN TV and WGN radio ad the broadcast rights for Cubs baseball.

Not that there was any corporate pressure on editorial content or anything.

(Famous columnist Mike Royko was working hard at the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper to lobby to get the Cubs for his company.)


Wrigley Field didn't already have lights?  Being able to host night games seems like it would be a basic necessity for any modern sports stadium, but I'm not a baseball fan at all so I don't know if the lack of that capability is common.

As far as the purchase goes -

Newspapers may be old hat, but with the purchase of the papers comes the websites for the papers.  How many Fark greenlights are from local newspaper websites, at least half?  People who have given up the paper still tend to check the content on the paper's website.
 
2013-04-21 09:24:58 PM  

Kibbler: The author concludes that the Koch brothers are no threat to journalism. His evidence? Paul Krugman is a shill who only tells NYT readers what they want to hear.

Fair. And balanced.



His argument ("If you like, the NYT employs Paul Krugman as a columnist because he says things that the people likely to purchase the NYT want to hear said. Not because what Krugman says is going to change their views") kinda breaks down when you consider that NYT's always employed conservative op-ed writers, too
 
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