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(Daily Record (UK))   After being on display in museum for over a hundred years without incident, stuffed elephant has his trunk truncated by some kid, who thinks the "DO NOT TOUCH" sign only applies to other people   (dailyrecord.co.uk) divider line 87
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2013-04-21 01:08:22 PM  
The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.
 
2013-04-21 01:17:15 PM  

2xhelix: The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.


No, no, no the child is probably on the spectrum and uses a different intelligence.  The parents should be congratulated fro letting them engage in tactile learning and for not requiring that the adapt to other people's rules.  Children need a free environment to be creative and grow.  The Museum is just a bunch of establishment lackeys with no ability to think for themselves and find alternative ways to present information effectively.

This is what we get when we require educational institutions to adapt to every hare-brained hypothesis of how a child's brain works, and don't require children to adapt to their environment and FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES.
 
2013-04-21 01:20:02 PM  
Museum staff is looking for the public to crowd source the wealth of photos taken during the day to help identify the culprit.  Local police are locking down the town and expected to use 200+ rounds of ammunition to kill the suspect.
 
2013-04-21 01:22:25 PM  

netizencain: Museum staff is looking for the public to crowd source the wealth of photos taken during the day to help identify the culprit.  Local police are locking down the town and expected to use 200+ rounds of ammunition to kill the suspect.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 01:22:42 PM  

netizencain: Museum staff is looking for the public to crowd source the wealth of photos taken during the day to help identify the culprit.  Local police are locking down the town and expected to use 200+ rounds of ammunition to kill the suspect.


If only.
 
2013-04-21 01:52:16 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 2xhelix: The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.

No, no, no the child is probably on the spectrum and uses a different intelligence.  The parents should be congratulated fro letting them engage in tactile learning and for not requiring that the adapt to other people's rules.  Children need a free environment to be creative and grow.  The Museum is just a bunch of establishment lackeys with no ability to think for themselves and find alternative ways to present information effectively.

This is what we get when we require educational institutions to adapt to every hare-brained hypothesis of how a child's brain works, and don't require children to adapt to their environment and FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES.


WTF is wrong with you?
 
2013-04-21 01:58:08 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Benevolent Misanthrope: 2xhelix: The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.

No, no, no the child is probably on the spectrum and uses a different intelligence.  The parents should be congratulated fro letting them engage in tactile learning and for not requiring that the adapt to other people's rules.  Children need a free environment to be creative and grow.  The Museum is just a bunch of establishment lackeys with no ability to think for themselves and find alternative ways to present information effectively.

This is what we get when we require educational institutions to adapt to every hare-brained hypothesis of how a child's brain works, and don't require children to adapt to their environment and FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES.

WTF is wrong with you?


I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2013-04-21 02:11:18 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?


Science doesn't work on how you "feel" there are children - and adults - whose brains are impaired in various ways. This has, and can be measured and observed; these people exist.
 
2013-04-21 02:14:23 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Benevolent Misanthrope:I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?

Science doesn't work on how you "feel" there are children - and adults - whose brains are impaired in various ways. This has, and can be measured and observed; these people exist.


Yes, but there are not nearly so many of them as overweening parents claim.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-21 02:16:41 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:
I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?


That's what's wrong with ah-murka today.  We need to stop listening to those "scientists" with their fancy schmancy pansified educations and their "evidence" and "research" and all that.

Real knowledge comes from "common sense", which is destroyed by ungodly activities like "learning" and "thinking" and excessive bathing.

We just need to let the Fox viewers of Murka make all the decisions and then life will be perfect again like it was before 1964.
 
2013-04-21 02:32:47 PM  

vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:
I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?

That's what's wrong with ah-murka today.  We need to stop listening to those "scientists" with their fancy schmancy pansified educations and their "evidence" and "research" and all that.

Real knowledge comes from "common sense", which is destroyed by ungodly activities like "learning" and "thinking" and excessive bathing.

We just need to let the Fox viewers of Murka make all the decisions and then life will be perfect again like it was before 1964.


Fark off.  All I'm saying is that, if your kid breaks rules, is a smart-ass, throws temper tantrums, bullies, acts like a little hellion and generally is spoiled rotten, perhaps you should look at your parenting instead of claiming they have a farking mental illness and should be accommodated.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-21 03:33:27 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

Fark off.  All I'm saying is that, if your kid breaks rules, is a smart-ass, throws temper tantrums, bullies, acts like a little hellion and generally is spoiled rotten, perhaps you should look at your parenting instead of claiming they have a farking mental illness and should be accommodated.

No, you are saying that it's all lazy parenting and implying that there is no such thing developmental disabilities or mental illnesses and that they are "made up" as you put it.

Which is pretty asinine and ignorant really.
 
2013-04-21 03:45:30 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 2xhelix: The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.

No, no, no the child is probably on the spectrum and uses a different intelligence.  The parents should be congratulated fro letting them engage in tactile learning and for not requiring that the adapt to other people's rules.  Children need a free environment to be creative and grow.  The Museum is just a bunch of establishment lackeys with no ability to think for themselves and find alternative ways to present information effectively.

This is what we get when we require educational institutions to adapt to every hare-brained hypothesis of how a child's brain works, and don't require children to adapt to their environment and FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES.


This would be hilarious if it weren't so believable that some would post the exact same thing in earnest.
 
2013-04-21 03:47:20 PM  
This is why I regularly execute children.
 
2013-04-21 03:48:39 PM  
At least the kid used truncate instead of drop. The whole elephant would be gone then.
 
2013-04-21 03:48:42 PM  

vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:

Fark off.  All I'm saying is that, if your kid breaks rules, is a smart-ass, throws temper tantrums, bullies, acts like a little hellion and generally is spoiled rotten, perhaps you should look at your parenting instead of claiming they have a farking mental illness and should be accommodated.

No, you are saying that it's all lazy parenting and implying that there is no such thing developmental disabilities or mental illnesses and that they are "made up" as you put it.

Which is pretty asinine and ignorant really.


Well - can you let me in on the process by which you're able to see over the Internet what I'm "really" thinking?  I'm sure there are several government agencies who would like to see your work as well.  You could be a very rich person, if you'd be wiling to share.

No, I'm saying if your kid is badly behaved, stop making up excuses and parent.  Mental illnesses are real.  But not nearly as many children have them as are diagnosed, either by their parents or by licensed doctors.
 
2013-04-21 03:49:20 PM  

vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:

Fark off.  All I'm saying is that, if your kid breaks rules, is a smart-ass, throws temper tantrums, bullies, acts like a little hellion and generally is spoiled rotten, perhaps you should look at your parenting instead of claiming they have a farking mental illness and should be accommodated.

No, you are saying that it's all lazy parenting and implying that there is no such thing developmental disabilities or mental illnesses and that they are "made up" as you put it.

Which is pretty asinine and ignorant really.


Aren't there farms or homes for these mentally disabled children where they can go and eat the hair of other deranged children and not ruin things for fully-functional people?
 
2013-04-21 03:49:26 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Benevolent Misanthrope: 2xhelix: The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.

No, no, no the child is probably on the spectrum and uses a different intelligence.  The parents should be congratulated fro letting them engage in tactile learning and for not requiring that the adapt to other people's rules.  Children need a free environment to be creative and grow.  The Museum is just a bunch of establishment lackeys with no ability to think for themselves and find alternative ways to present information effectively.

This is what we get when we require educational institutions to adapt to every hare-brained hypothesis of how a child's brain works, and don't require children to adapt to their environment and FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES.

This would be hilarious if it weren't so believable that some would post the exact same thing in earnest.


Don't I know it.  Gawd, people can be sensitive.
 
2013-04-21 03:49:41 PM  
I tried to lick the Mona Lisa, but for some reason or the other it was protected by 3 + inches of bullet-proof glass.
 
2013-04-21 03:49:42 PM  

netizencain: Museum staff is looking for the public to crowd source the wealth of photos taken during the day to help identify the culprit.  Local police are locking down the town and expected to use 200+ rounds of ammunition to kill wound the wrong suspect.


Fixed that for cynicism.
 
2013-04-21 03:50:51 PM  
He didn't touch the sign, so I don't see the problem.
 
2013-04-21 03:53:36 PM  

vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:
I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?

That's what's wrong with ah-murka today.  We need to stop listening to those "scientists" with their fancy schmancy pansified educations and their "evidence" and "research" and all that.

Real knowledge comes from "common sense", which is destroyed by ungodly activities like "learning" and "thinking" and excessive bathing.

We just need to let the Fox viewers of Murka make all the decisions and then life will be perfect again like it was before 1964.




Some kids have autism spectrum disorder, some are just little shiats. Sometimes these groups overlap.
 
2013-04-21 03:55:34 PM  
If you didn't want it broken, you shouldn't have it in display in public in a way that allows it to happen.  Kids will do that shiat, this is common knowledge.
 
2013-04-21 03:55:41 PM  

r1niceboy: This is why I regularly execute children.


We need to dox this guy. Who admits to something like this on the interweb? I want a police investigation.
 
2013-04-21 03:57:18 PM  
Give the little f*ck ECT until his legs are jello and all he can do is drool.
 
2013-04-21 03:58:10 PM  
I hope they can fix him properly

I'm sorry, ma'am, but we just don't have that kind of stuffed elephant trunk repair technology. Maybe in a hundred years, but right now I just can't see it - like that blind man who thought it was a rope.
 
2013-04-21 03:59:40 PM  
I don't believe it for a minute.  That elephant was put there by Satan to fool us.  There are no such things as elephants, and if there were, Jesus rode one to work.
 
2013-04-21 03:59:59 PM  

thisispete: vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:
I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?

That's what's wrong with ah-murka today.  We need to stop listening to those "scientists" with their fancy schmancy pansified educations and their "evidence" and "research" and all that.

Real knowledge comes from "common sense", which is destroyed by ungodly activities like "learning" and "thinking" and excessive bathing.

We just need to let the Fox viewers of Murka make all the decisions and then life will be perfect again like it was before 1964.

Some kids have autism spectrum disorder, some are just little shiats. Sometimes these groups overlap.


At what point should we just say 'I realize your brain doesn't work the same way, and it's more difficult for you to behave in the expected manner, but we're going to hold you to the same standards anyway - them's the shakes, it might be tougher for you, but the expectations and standards are for the good of the many, you need to deal with it' ?
 
2013-04-21 04:00:29 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 2xhelix: The kid's parents should be made to pay through the nose for the restoration.

No, no, no the child is probably on the spectrum and uses a different intelligence.  The parents should be congratulated fro letting them engage in tactile learning and for not requiring that the adapt to other people's rules.  Children need a free environment to be creative and grow.  The Museum is just a bunch of establishment lackeys with no ability to think for themselves and find alternative ways to present information effectively.

This is what we get when we require educational institutions to adapt to every hare-brained hypothesis of how a child's brain works, and don't require children to adapt to their environment and FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES.


It is true that there are multiple methods of learning, and multiple senses that are triggered and used by different types of learners and different types of brains, even amongst people who fully control their mental faculties and are not feebleminded. Look amongst yourselves, Farkers, and ask yourself if you prefer to just look at objects, or if you are the type who reads every exhibit label, or if you want to try to develop for yourself some sort of meaning out of the exhibit.. And while museums do try to find interactive exhibits to engage everybody, they frequently lack the funds necessary to do so. Even so, museum educators are pretty well aware that curators will curb-stomp anybody who touches their exhibits if they are not designed for tactile learning. Stupid kid should not have touched the elephant, and the parents should pay for restoration.
 
2013-04-21 04:01:01 PM  
Pokie!
 
2013-04-21 04:01:31 PM  
I'm not gonna say science is wrong or that some disorders may not be over-diagnosed, but I will say that I think the Spartans had a few good ideas regarding early childhood development.
 
2013-04-21 04:01:59 PM  
Spank the kid, drag him into the museum to apologize to the curator, make him write an apology letter that states the exhibit of the elephant is no longer available because he was too irresponsible, immature, and didn't listen to instructions and because of that, he ruined the display for everyone. Then frame the apology and post it next to the empty plinth where the elephant had been.

Oh, and make the parents pay for the restoration of the display.
 
2013-04-21 04:02:06 PM  
The autism "spectrum" ranges from asshole to moron, and as far as I can tell neither is an excuse for kids to get away with acting like little shiatheads.
 
2013-04-21 04:02:28 PM  
I support arming the museum workers with scaled down cattle prods, so they can quickly and effectively discipline children who can't follow the "no touching" rule.  To satisfy those parents whose children have developmental disorders, their children can wear a special numbered tag that will exempt them from this policy.  The parents have to wear a tag with the same number so that the workers know where to redirect the shock to. After all, the parents have the most experience in dealing with their children, and should take responsibility for their infractions, yes?
 
2013-04-21 04:03:04 PM  

nekom: If you didn't want it broken, you shouldn't have it in display in public in a way that allows it to happen.  Kids will do that shiat, this is common knowledge.


This is the excuse that vandals use. And squatters. And car thieves. And alcoholics. And shoplifters. And rapists. And terrorists.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:43 PM  

uttertosh: nekom: If you didn't want it broken, you shouldn't have it in display in public in a way that allows it to happen.  Kids will do that shiat, this is common knowledge.

This is the excuse that vandals use. And squatters. And car thieves. And alcoholics. And shoplifters. And rapists. And terrorists.


So, basically if you're not a farking complete moran, you will protect your personal belongings or valuables with due diligence because humanity is full of degenerates who are intent on destruction.
 
2013-04-21 04:08:30 PM  

uttertosh: nekom: If you didn't want it broken, you shouldn't have it in display in public in a way that allows it to happen.  Kids will do that shiat, this is common knowledge.

This is the excuse that vandals use. And squatters. And car thieves. And alcoholics. And shoplifters. And rapists. And terrorists.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-21 04:11:38 PM  
I just threw half of my kid's toys away for being an unrepentant little shiat, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2013-04-21 04:16:22 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: uttertosh: nekom: If you didn't want it broken, you shouldn't have it in display in public in a way that allows it to happen.  Kids will do that shiat, this is common knowledge.

This is the excuse that vandals use. And squatters. And car thieves. And alcoholics. And shoplifters. And rapists. And terrorists.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Glad you get my point.
 
2013-04-21 04:18:16 PM  
Another lesson in impermanence.
 
2013-04-21 04:20:06 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

At what point should we just say 'I realize your brain doesn't work the same way, and it's more difficult for you to behave in the expected manner, but we're going to hold you to the same standards anyway - them's the shakes, it might be tougher for you, but the expectations and standards are for the good of the many, you need to deal with it' ?


Ideally some point  before the kid starts busting up museum displays.  Thanks for asking.
 
2013-04-21 04:20:36 PM  

Justice By Zig: r1niceboy: This is why I regularly execute children.

We need to dox this guy. Who admits to something like this on the interweb? I want a police investigation.


I wouldn't have to if Santa wasn't soft on crime.
 
2013-04-21 04:21:12 PM  
There are a few asshats in the building where I live who think the rules don't apply to them.  There is a no smoking sign in the elevator yet these assholes smoke there anyway.  There are people here who have asthma and other conditions aggravated by the smoke.  These little asshats who think the don't touch rule doesn't apply to them grow up and carry that attitude with them.
 
2013-04-21 04:23:07 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thisispete: vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:
I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?

That's what's wrong with ah-murka today.  We need to stop listening to those "scientists" with their fancy schmancy pansified educations and their "evidence" and "research" and all that.

Real knowledge comes from "common sense", which is destroyed by ungodly activities like "learning" and "thinking" and excessive bathing.

We just need to let the Fox viewers of Murka make all the decisions and then life will be perfect again like it was before 1964.

Some kids have autism spectrum disorder, some are just little shiats. Sometimes these groups overlap.

At what point should we just say 'I realize your brain doesn't work the same way, and it's more difficult for you to behave in the expected manner, but we're going to hold you to the same standards anyway - them's the shakes, it might be tougher for you, but the expectations and standards are for the good of the many, you need to deal with it' ?


Kid's minds don't work like adults which is why proper parenting may have prevented this.
 
2013-04-21 04:27:09 PM  

PaLarkin: There are people here who have asthma and other conditions aggravated by the smoke. These little asshats who think the don't touch rule doesn't apply to them grow up and carry that attitude with them.


So asthmatics are little asshats?!?
 
2013-04-21 04:31:39 PM  

thisispete: vpb: Benevolent Misanthrope:
I'm tired as hell of tHe way people let their kids do whatever they farking want, and then make up scientific/sociology-sounding excuses for not parenting.

WTF is wrong with you?

That's what's wrong with ah-murka today.  We need to stop listening to those "scientists" with their fancy schmancy pansified educations and their "evidence" and "research" and all that.

Real knowledge comes from "common sense", which is destroyed by ungodly activities like "learning" and "thinking" and excessive bathing.

We just need to let the Fox viewers of Murka make all the decisions and then life will be perfect again like it was before 1964.

Some kids have autism spectrum disorder, some are just little shiats. Sometimes these groups overlap.


autism = my kid is a little shiat and i dont want to deal with it properly.
 
2013-04-21 04:32:09 PM  
you know... NOTHING lasts forever. it's sad, stuff happens. next time if you really don't want anyone touching it then put protective barriers around it.

I remember when I was a kid I was scampering about at the norton simon museum in pasadena, ca. I saw a brightly colored wall and I decided to use it to help me stop my scampering. what i didnt realize was that i was becoming myopic and that the wall was actually a massive painting. the resultant sound was terrifying and the guard turned kind of white. but then nothing happened, and I quickly walked away.

point is that if you're a museum, you ave to account for kids being dumb - as well as malicious adults.
 
2013-04-21 04:32:29 PM  
I wish autism had been the cool thing when I was a kid (sadly, it was hyperactivity back then) as I probably would have been diagnosed with it, then I could have broken museum pieces and had people defending me.
 
2013-04-21 04:37:06 PM  
Oh, get off the kid.  After a hundred years, something like that was bound to happen.  Super glue it back on and move forward.
 
2013-04-21 04:38:06 PM  

duenor: you know... NOTHING lasts forever. it's sad, stuff happens. next time if you really don't want anyone touching it then put protective barriers around it.

I remember when I was a kid I was scampering about at the norton simon museum in pasadena, ca. I saw a brightly colored wall and I decided to use it to help me stop my scampering. what i didnt realize was that i was becoming myopic and that the wall was actually a massive painting. the resultant sound was terrifying and the guard turned kind of white. but then nothing happened, and I quickly walked away.

point is that if you're a museum, you ave to account for kids being dumb - as well as malicious their adults

being dumber.
 
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