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(The New York Times)   Latest hipster parent trend: going diaper-less. 'The Onion' wishes it could make things up like: "diaper-free meetups, where parents exchange tips like how to get a baby to urinate on the street between parked cars   (nytimes.com) divider line 216
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2013-04-21 06:49:23 PM

redsquid: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's not a trend or a fad or anything. It's another one of those stupid Times articles in which some asshole reporter heard from a friend of a friend that there are some bigger assholes in and around Brooklyn doing douchebaggy things. As evidence of the first part of that theory, the author's first name is Anemona. As evidence in support of the second part of that sentence, I submit that some asshole held her baby over a bowl at a party and let it piss and shiat itself in front of everyone there.

I would have been inclined to think it wasn't real if I hadn't been introduced to the idea of 'diaper hyenas' last night. Now I'd believe anything the breeders were capable of anything.


Whenever I see that words (originally gay slang for straights?) all I can think of is the Pak.
 
2013-04-21 06:51:37 PM
Leaving a kid who is ready for potty training to go free-range (no nappy etc) is one thing.  That's actually the method recommended by most parents I've known.  It's best when you have warm weather and a fairly private back garden they can be playing in.

Having babies and shiat, literally, all over the house just sounds like insanity.  But if that's how they want to spend their time, good for them.  I spent my son's baby years at his beck and call enough without adding more work for myself.
 
2013-04-21 06:56:53 PM

sxacho: My wife was telling me about this elimination communication idiocy a couple years ago. I never looked it up but always just kind of figured that she was kidding about it. I should have known better.


There are classes conducted in the Seattle area about this. I know some parents that did this and let their pantless, uncircumcised kid run amok.

/not kidding
 
2013-04-21 07:00:50 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: redsquid: I would have been inclined to think it wasn't real if I hadn't been introduced to the idea of 'diaper hyenas' last night. Now I'd believe anything the breeders were capable of anything.

After some googling, the truth of what a diaper hyena is did not meet my expectations.

Although there are some pretty weird motherhood forums out there...


I was expecting heavy breathing Japanese guy actually, but the truth was just as creepy.
 
2013-04-21 07:07:03 PM
Once upon a time, there was this mythical thing called "diaper service" and the dirty diaper man would come by once a week and retrieve the soiled cloth diapers and return them clean, fresh and ready to reuse.  Or so I've heard.  I was a child of the 70's and my mom put cloth diapers on my believing them to be more healthy and to avoid diaper rash and paid the poop truck guy weekly.  I haven't seen a diaper service truck on the streets for at least 20 years.  Someone should open up a business like that again, bet they'd be in high demand.
 
2013-04-21 07:12:41 PM

specialkae: Once upon a time, there was this mythical thing called "diaper service" and the dirty diaper man would come by once a week and retrieve the soiled cloth diapers and return them clean, fresh and ready to reuse.  Or so I've heard.  I was a child of the 70's and my mom put cloth diapers on my believing them to be more healthy and to avoid diaper rash and paid the poop truck guy weekly.  I haven't seen a diaper service truck on the streets for at least 20 years.  Someone should open up a business like that again, bet they'd be in high demand.


They still exist. Rare though, you're right.
 
2013-04-21 07:13:55 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: redsquid: I would have been inclined to think it wasn't real if I hadn't been introduced to the idea of 'diaper hyenas' last night. Now I'd believe anything the breeders were capable of anything.

After some googling, the truth of what a diaper hyena is did not meet my expectations.



The term originally referred to moms who stalked the Web sites of work-at-home diaper makers, waiting to snap up the latest batch of diapers.  The same packs haunted eBay's used diaper section.
 
2013-04-21 07:23:32 PM

T-Servo: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 383x480]

/first thing I thought of


I like how it goes "Don't drink alcohol. But if you are an alcoholic you should cut down on the amount."

redsquid: Hermione_Granger: Also explains why grown men play video games and act like babies.

Says the grown up with the FARK handle from children's literature.


Ah, but reading a story is so much better than being an actor in the story. In a similar vein: someone who is able to hit a ball using a piece of wood is to be celebrated because it takes a lot of hand-eye coordination. Someone who plays computer games is to be mocked. Resource management, tech management, keeping the relevant areas scouted, managing the construction of an army and the battle, including keeping an eye out for counter attacks (and doing most of these things at the same time) is a sign of a weak childish mind.

/Even modern war shooters require teamwork and some planning.
 
2013-04-21 07:26:28 PM

redsquid: diaper hyenas


What is that?
 
2013-04-21 07:28:56 PM

AbbeySomeone: There are classes conducted in the Seattle area about this.


Those kids must be real geniuses if they need a lesson in how to shiat on the floor
 
2013-04-21 07:36:19 PM

DerAppie: someone who is able to hit a ball using a piece of wood is to be celebrated because it takes a lot of hand-eye coordination. Someone who plays computer games is to be mocked


Ball games teach you to interact with real humans and you get some exercise.

Computer games are merely consumption - no better than watching TV.
 
2013-04-21 07:37:06 PM

jaytkay: redsquid: diaper hyenas

What is that?


Women who seek out unique and artisanal reusable diapers and pay hundreds of dollars apiece for what they consider to be the best piece of artistic cloth to soak up their baby's piss and shiat.
 
2013-04-21 07:50:10 PM
How to get them to pee in the street?
Buy them one of these
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-21 07:52:35 PM

jaytkay: DerAppie: someone who is able to hit a ball using a piece of wood is to be celebrated because it takes a lot of hand-eye coordination. Someone who plays computer games is to be mocked

Ball games teach you to interact with real humans and you get some exercise.

Computer games are merely consumption - no better than watching TV.


So reading a book is even worse because you don't interact with people, you don't get exercise, you don't learn to strategise and you are merely consuming - no better than watching TV and worse than playing computer games.
 
2013-04-21 08:05:49 PM
si0.twimg.com

Why are you encouraging pedos?
 
2013-04-21 08:12:17 PM
DRTFT, but in NYC, I once saw a woman hold a naked-butted kid while he crapped in the street, and wondered what the hell was wrong with her.
 
2013-04-21 08:46:37 PM
I hear babies in China live like that.
 
2013-04-21 08:53:51 PM

missblue: I hear babies in China live like that.


My mom says there's a lot of black people in China...
 
2013-04-21 08:56:18 PM
FTA:

"Adrian Stare holding her son Loren, 4 months, at her store in Brooklyn.


By  ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS"
Anemone Torticollis?  WTF kind of name is that?
 
2013-04-21 08:59:58 PM
Um... In NO WAY is this acceptable. No. If in the five minutes between getting out of the bath and putting clothes on her she pees on the floor, that's one thing. But I'm NOT going to be just holding my kid over the sink waiting for them to do their business.

I AM going primarily cloth to save money and garbage. I'll always have disposables on hand though for babysitters or when I'm out places. But this...fad... Ugh. YOU'RE TAKING IT TOO FAR!
 
2013-04-21 09:08:05 PM
Being a curious sort, I just looked up what prehistoric diapers were like, and they were things like animal skins, moss, and leaves. Not even cavemen let their children shiat all over the place!
 
2013-04-21 09:14:25 PM

T-Servo: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 383x480]

/first thing I thought of


Same here.   But then I thought about the lulz from a bunch of people who killed themselves through stupidity and Imokwiththis.jpg
 
2013-04-21 09:15:46 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The same packs haunted eBay's used diaper section.


I had to re-read that a few times before I realised they were probably washed, used diapers.... anything is possible but I thought ebay had rules against that sort of thing.

But isn't that a little like buying used underwear? Will used sex toys be the next hipster thing?


machoprogrammer: 1. That is nasty and unsanitary. Good way to spread disease
2. Isn't it illegal to piss in the street?


If it isn't illegal now, it should be. If I can't piss and shiat in the street between two parked cars (and I shouldn't be allowed to), why does a baby get the right to? Pretty sure they don't shiat rainbows.
 
2013-04-21 09:18:36 PM

Nidiot: Pretty sure they don't shiat rainbows.


Depends on what you feed them the night before really.
 
2013-04-21 09:20:43 PM
cloth diapers?  sure.
pee and poop in the streets?  massive public health problem waiting to happen.
someone actually gets paid to tell people to do this???  gotta love a capitalist society.
 
2013-04-21 09:26:52 PM

Nidiot: BarkingUnicorn: The same packs haunted eBay's used diaper section.

I had to re-read that a few times before I realised they were probably washed, used diapers.... anything is possible but I thought ebay had rules against that sort of thing.

But isn't that a little like buying used underwear? Will used sex toys be the next hipster thing?


eBay's used clothing policy explicitly allows "diaper covers."  It is silent on diapers.  Typically, diapers aren't worn under anything so they're not underwear.   Behold the power of diaper hyenas; marvel, and tremble.

I haven't been in the Adult section of eBay in ages.  That's where used  undies are traded.  Wouldn't surprise me to find used sex toys too.
 
2013-04-21 09:30:56 PM
Diaper Hyenas: why don't you just go to a sewing store, buy a bunch of heavy-duty cotton, and make your own?  How hard is that?
 
2013-04-21 09:37:48 PM
What's wrong with used diapers?

In my house, the softest and best polishing rags EVAR were the diapers we wore as a kids, they were 100% cotton weave and washed about a million times each. Perfectly soft.
 
2013-04-21 09:49:03 PM

Hermione_Granger: Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training? Has to be the same white people who will call the cops if your kid so much plays in their own yard without a parent hovering over them


It could have something to do with diaper manufacturers heavily advertising their products for older toddlers, giving TV watching parents the impression that not toilet training until 3 or 4 is normal. I hear it's a pretty competitive business, and wouldn't doubt that the larger companies try to manipulate public opinion in order to sell more product.
 
2013-04-21 09:58:40 PM

cyberspacedout: Hermione_Granger: Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training? Has to be the same white people who will call the cops if your kid so much plays in their own yard without a parent hovering over them

It could have something to do with diaper manufacturers heavily advertising their products for older toddlers, giving TV watching parents the impression that not toilet training until 3 or 4 is normal. I hear it's a pretty competitive business, and wouldn't doubt that the larger companies try to manipulate public opinion in order to sell more product.


If your 4 year old is still wearing diapers you have failed as a parent.
 
2013-04-21 10:11:00 PM

AbbeySomeone: cyberspacedout: Hermione_Granger: Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

If your 4 year old is still wearing diapers you have failed as a parent.



I had a friend whose 3 year old was ALMOST fully trained, and then she got a baby sister. So she reverted to diapers to keep getting attention. It took another year to break her of that. She's a little bit special as it is, she's seven now and is still slightly behind in some stuff, but I can see this being logical when a new baby comes.
 
2013-04-21 10:24:32 PM

FunkOut: This is normal in most of China.


So is slave labor, censorship of anything remotely challenging to the regime, eating what we consider pets, and about 50 other things we can do without.
 
2013-04-21 10:32:15 PM
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
 
2013-04-21 10:52:37 PM

kiwimoogle84: AbbeySomeone: cyberspacedout: Hermione_Granger: Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

If your 4 year old is still wearing diapers you have failed as a parent.


I had a friend whose 3 year old was ALMOST fully trained, and then she got a baby sister. So she reverted to diapers to keep getting attention. It took another year to break her of that. She's a little bit special as it is, she's seven now and is still slightly behind in some stuff, but I can see this being logical when a new baby comes.


My sister-in-law had the same problem.
 
2013-04-21 10:52:57 PM

Hermione_Granger: Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training?


I met a family once who's six year old was still wearing diapers and not potty trained. Then again they were just trashy pill heads.
 
2013-04-21 11:05:46 PM

Hermione_Granger: Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training?


Montessori Morons?

Not cool story: Once met a family who was raising their kid on the Montessori method.  He was 6 and could not read anything.  Why?  Because he had not yet decided to learn to read.
 
2013-04-21 11:18:36 PM

FunkOut: This is normal in most of China.


My girlfriend grew up in northeastern China under the Mao government.  She told me that babies wore diapers for 2-3 months there.  After that, it was a mixture of  communication and adapting to bodily rhythms.  Not as many accidents as you might expect.

Somehow I got a different vibe from this article.
 
2013-04-21 11:30:27 PM

Bondith: Ms. Shapiro scattered little bowls around the house to catch her daughter's offerings

Bondith: It's only considered an offering if someone else might want it.  Otherwise it's refuse.  Waste.  Discarded.



img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-04-21 11:35:13 PM

Mock26: Not cool story: Once met a family who was raising their kid on the Montessori method.  He was 6 and could not read anything.  Why?  Because he had not yet decided to learn to read.


That's not the Montessori method.  They learn to read. The difference is that they like school, are more self-motivated, and learn to train their classmates as well as take instruction from them.

/Daughter is a Montessori girl.  Just got a job as a civil engineer and loves it.  AND she is remarkably mature, well read, and curious about the world.  I have nothing bad to say about the educational method.
 
2013-04-22 12:17:37 AM

on the road: My girlfriend grew up in northeastern China under the Mao government.  She told me that babies wore diapers for 2-3 months there.  After that, it was a mixture of  communication and adapting to bodily rhythms.  Not as many accidents as you might expect.

Somehow I got a different vibe from this article.


Okay, yeah, that 2-3 months of diapers answers my question - that sounds more reasonable.
 
2013-04-22 12:36:00 AM

Hermione_Granger: Toilet training, she said, is a matter of conditioning, "just like Pavlov's dog," but in the United States parents begin talking about it around 18 months, with most children being potty-trained around ages 3 or even 4.

Who the fark waits until a kid is 4 year old to begin potty training? Has to be the same white people who will call the cops if your kid so much plays in their own yard without a parent hovering over them

I think I get it.

40 is the new 30
30 is the new 20
20 is the new 10
10 is the new preschooler
Preschoolers are the new infants and expected to still shiat themselves.
Also explains why grown men play video games and act like babies.


We've been trying to potty train for the last 2 years.  We wanted to start potty training at 18 months.  We delayed a bit because there was no speech.

By three we had to start training even though there was still no speech.

//There is still no speech at four
///Still dirty diapers that we wanted to be rid of years ago
////Autism sucks and is messy in ways you can't imagin.
 
2013-04-22 12:40:35 AM
Elimination Communication Breakdown.....it's always the same........
 
2013-04-22 01:00:58 AM

AbbeySomeone: sxacho: My wife was telling me about this elimination communication idiocy a couple years ago. I never looked it up but always just kind of figured that she was kidding about it. I should have known better.

There are classes conducted in the Seattle area about this. I know some parents that did this and let their pantless, uncircumcised kid run amok.

/not kidding


Classes conducted by my sister in law who is a Doula. She wanted us to use cloth and do EC. I am bad at laundry so did not do cloth (although if i ever have snother baby i might) , and I think EC is stupid. My SIL would also always try to use sign with our daughter even though she could talk. It made me nuts. She also liked giving us gender neutral clothes which mostly went unused. Anyway, she is practically broke but still trying to make a business out if being a "post partum doula" even though she couldnt properly install my daughters car seat. I am waiting for the day she gets broke enough she decides to get a real job.
 
2013-04-22 01:46:19 AM
Amused

blogs.miaminewtimes.com
 
2013-04-22 02:06:06 AM
If I can't piss in parking lots, neither can the kid. At what point in your life does leaving bowls around your house for the kid to poop in make sense? And the worst part is, I don't even know if there is a word for how I feel now!
 
2013-04-22 07:44:23 AM

ZombieApocalypseKitten: ///Still dirty diapers that we wanted to be rid of years ago


Dude. Just throw them away. Bronze some baby shoes instead or something.
 
2013-04-22 07:54:59 AM
We had a case here last summer of some "new Canadians" letting their kids, and by kids I don't mean babies, shiat on the beach and their defense was that it was cultural and it was racist to not let them shiat on the beach. Dogs haven't been allowed on the beach for seven years because of concerns of people not picking up after them but apparently human turds are safer and/or less disgusting than dog turds. There are places in the world where leprosy is still a thing and those are also the places where dropping a deuce wherever you like is considered normal.
 
2013-04-22 10:04:32 AM

BarkingUnicorn: The scientific consensus is that cloth v. dispoable diapers are roughly equal in environmental impacts, overall. Like two different meals with the same number of calories.  It's just a matter of preference.


I dunno... from my POV, better to use a little more water (which can be recycled through a wastewater treatment center) than to dump tons of plastic into landfills, where it will remain FOREVER.

That said, I'm so lazy I use disposable litterboxes for my cat. And sure, the litterboxes themselves are biodegradable... but the plastic trash bags I put them in when I throw them away aren't.
 
2013-04-22 10:49:08 AM
I suppose it would be a waste of time to point out that elimination communication is the most widely used method in the world.
 
2013-04-22 11:09:05 AM

Quickpull: I suppose it would be a waste of time to point out that elimination communication is the most widely used method in the world.


McDonald's is the most frequently visited restaurant in the world.
 
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