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(Economist)   The Economist reminds us that simplistic, knee-jerk opinions on why those brothers set off bombs last Monday are, well, simplistic and knee-jerk   (economist.com) divider line 143
    More: Obvious, Ramzan Kadyrov, Dzhokhar, Tsarnaev, Dagestan, Chechen, Chechnya, North Caucasus, American Friends  
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2013-04-21 12:53:31 PM
Simplistic is good -- then I don't need to think.
 
2013-04-21 03:54:09 PM
 
2013-04-21 05:00:46 PM

hubiestubert: A much better article...


Here's an even better one...
 
2013-04-21 05:30:49 PM
Now it is America struggling to understand the Tsarnaevs.

America's not struggling to understand them.  They're Jihadis.
 
2013-04-21 05:45:05 PM

SkinnyHead: Now it is America struggling to understand the Tsarnaevs.

America's not struggling to understand  them.  They're Jihadis.

anything.

"Understanding" is elitist.
 
2013-04-21 05:59:12 PM
fta There is a whiff of Las Vegas in the air, cut by the odor of Pyongyang.

You're just lactose intolerant
 
2013-04-21 06:03:34 PM
Now, if only we can get simplistic, knee-jerk people to read the Economist, we'll raise the quality of dialogue.
 
2013-04-21 06:03:51 PM

Speaker2Animals: Simplistic is good -- then I don't need to think.


Not to much to think about when it is a couple of child killers.  They are subhuman scum.  fark them and everyone like them.

It's the fools who feel the need to overthink it.
 
2013-04-21 06:04:31 PM
I'm going with the uncle: losers.
IMHO truly American losers.
 
2013-04-21 06:06:48 PM
I'm pretty sure they were just assholes.  No need to go digging around for deeper meaning.
 
2013-04-21 06:07:05 PM
What if our simplistic and knee-jerk reactions are right?   They probably are.  Either way, the truth will come out.
 
2013-04-21 06:10:07 PM
Except that literally no one thinks that these acts were link to Chechnya, rather it was unrelated terrorism.


The Economist continues its descent as a self-pretentious rag
 
2013-04-21 06:10:31 PM
Isolated incident.
 
2013-04-21 06:10:43 PM

tallguywithglasseson: hubiestubert: A much better article...

Here's an even better one...


Here's a more accurate one.
 
2013-04-21 06:11:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Now it is America struggling to understand the Tsarnaevs.

America's not struggling to understand them.  They're Jihadis.

And here comes SH to demonstrate what a knee-jerk, wrong, simplistic opinion looks like. Thanks buddy!


Do you agree with the article that these boys were just victims of "American male-rage" that fosters "self-obsessed nihilism."  That could be it.  Either that, or they're Jihadis.
 
2013-04-21 06:12:24 PM
I've honestly seen more knee-jerk reactions to the news the FBI interviewed the older brother 2 years ago. I'm pretty sure half the interwebs is calling for impeachment hearings now, though to be fair they were already calling for impeachment hearings.
 
2013-04-21 06:12:29 PM
If Iran was a real democracy and friendly, I'd tell them to go ahead and invade Saudi Arabia. Saudi money is responsible for almost all the Islamic terrorism.
 
2013-04-21 06:13:24 PM
I held simplistic, knee-jerk opinions before they became mainstream.  Now my opinions are blind and I have them before an event occurs, so none of you will have heard of them.
 
2013-04-21 06:13:49 PM

Grungehamster: I've honestly seen more knee-jerk reactions to the news the FBI interviewed the older brother 2 years ago. I'm pretty sure half the interwebs is calling for impeachment hearings now, though to be fair they were already calling for impeachment hearings.


This is the first I have heard of that, and I am actually on the conservative e-mailing list for the talking point memos where we all get our stories straight.
 
2013-04-21 06:14:10 PM
Why do we keep putting up with this shiat?
 
2013-04-21 06:14:46 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Now it is America struggling to understand the Tsarnaevs.

America's not struggling to understand them.  They're Jihadis.

And here comes SH to demonstrate what a knee-jerk, wrong, simplistic opinion looks like. Thanks buddy!

Do you agree with the article that these boys were just victims of "American male-rage" that fosters "self-obsessed nihilism."  That could be it.  Either that, or they're Jihadis.


I don't know what they are. Nobody does, yet. That's the point.
 
2013-04-21 06:16:52 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: If Iran was a real democracy and friendly, I'd tell them to go ahead and invade Saudi Arabia. Saudi money is responsible for almost all the Islamic terrorism.


.... the Saudis might be the #1 exporter of Islamic ideology that leads to terrorism, but Iran is by far the #1 actual sponsor of terrorism in the world. By far.
 
2013-04-21 06:17:01 PM

MrEricSir: tallguywithglasseson: hubiestubert: A much better article...

Here's an even better one...

Here's a more accurate one.


/thread

I wonder how many non-Arab and or non-Muslims will get harassed by "patriots" because they look like forrin tururrstrs
 
2013-04-21 06:17:55 PM

lifeboat: I held simplistic, knee-jerk opinions before they became mainstream.  Now my opinions are blind and I have them before an event occurs, so none of you will have heard of them.


Even Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with this. I just think these guys were easy targets for Islamists because of their failure to adapt to American society.

This paragraph sums it all best.

And so, in Boston, the cultivated sense of grievance and justification of the North Caucasus militants may been infused with the feelings of loneliness and revenge found in American men who commit acts of horrific violence: a case of "

Once again, the Economist has a better grasp of American affairs than Americans do.
 
2013-04-21 06:17:58 PM
FTA:  It remains unclear how much of this history had to do with the bombs in Boston. The fact that two young men of Chechen origin committed an act of terror is not the same as saying Chechen terrorism has come to United States. Mr Kadyrov, usually spectacularly unreliable in his pronouncements, may have gotten it more or less right when he suggested via his

Doesn't seem that simplistic and knee-jerk to me.  Did you read the article, Subby?
 
2013-04-21 06:18:23 PM
tallguywithglasseson: Here's an even better one...

Actually both of those are quite good, each in their own way. They are designed towards different audiences with different perspectives in mind. The only thing I would add is that being in Central Asia and Eastern Europe, religion and nationalism are inextricably intertwined, whether this is in terms of Islam or in terms of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Its also important to remember that both the situation in Chechnya and the former Yugoslavia were largely consequences of the breakup of the Soviet Union and the fall of its puppet governments, so there is some blowback from the Cold War. Of course to what, if any extent of the Chechen insurgency angle is actually relevant to Boston is still a highly debatable question.
 
2013-04-21 06:18:35 PM
Beslan meets Columbine.
Wow!
 
2013-04-21 06:19:43 PM

HotWingAgenda: I'm pretty sure they were just assholes.  No need to go digging around for deeper meaning.


I'm going with assholes.  Just like I think most Palestinian suicide bombers are really depressed, and um... suicidal. And being taken advantage of by assholes.
 
2013-04-21 06:21:52 PM

gibbon1: HotWingAgenda: I'm pretty sure they were just assholes.  No need to go digging around for deeper meaning.

I'm going with assholes.  Just like I think most Palestinian suicide bombers are really depressed, and um... suicidal. And being taken advantage of by assholes.


It's been something foreign policy and terrorism experts have been warning us about since 9/11. It seemed like a surprise that the US is actually a victim of this, but it's also a surprise that the US hasn't dealt with homegrown terrorism as much as other places until now.
 
2013-04-21 06:22:01 PM
Perhaps we might actually stop with the speculation on the young men's motives until we actually get something substantive. Speculation onto what drove these fellas to their act, or if it was just frustration, is pretty much useless. The Chechen ties lie fair far back in their youth, and maybe, just maybe, we might want to cool our jets before making assumptions. To blame Islam on these attacks, as opposed to pissed off young men with few friends and frustrated dreams, they only have to look at Adam Lanza, Jarad Loughner, James Holmes, the Kleibold brothers, Eric Rudolph, and Tim McVeigh. It might be noted that McVeigh still holds the number two slot for mass killings in the US--well above the Unabomber and just about any other attack prior to 9/11.

While it is good to look at what shaped folks, and brought them to the place where they said, "F*ck it, I'mma go kill some folks" it isn't always cut and dried, and even here in America, we have folks who turn to that option for desperate attention far too often.
 
2013-04-21 06:22:01 PM

Tatsuma: .... the Saudis might be the #1 exporter of Islamic ideology that leads to terrorism, but Iran is by far the #1 actual sponsor of terrorism in the world. By far.


Got a cite for that bunkie?   Really if think about it.  The US has been occupying Iraq for ten years now.  Iran could have caused us a lot more trouble than we had if they wanted to.
 
2013-04-21 06:22:24 PM
Silly Jesus:  It could be anything.

i.imgur.com

Absolutely. My lord, there are so many uncharted settlements. It could be smugglers; it could be pirates; it could be...

/its Main page, so you'll get some bites. Pretty big handicap though. 3/10.
 
2013-04-21 06:23:47 PM

gibbon1: Got a cite for that bunkie? Really if think about it. The US has been occupying Iraq for ten years now. Iran could have caused us a lot more trouble than we had if they wanted to.


... you mean like training Taliban fighters and Iraqi insurgents and providing them with lots of weapons and high-grade IEDs?

Seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism#Iran
 
2013-04-21 06:26:55 PM
"diaspora"... ? i didn't know they were Jews. this changes EVERYTHING.
 
2013-04-21 06:28:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I don't know what they are. Nobody does, yet. That's the point


Do you doubt that this was an act of terrorism?
 
2013-04-21 06:28:57 PM
"...and the eventual idiocracy-ing..."
your assumption is that we are not already there, I only have watched about 20 min of idiocracy but it is what I experience day to day.
It's already to late.
Have fun

wow works in this thread to. :{
 
2013-04-21 06:31:25 PM
Dollars to donuts says they've got violent video games and all in their rooms.
 
2013-04-21 06:31:54 PM

utah dude: "diaspora"... ? i didn't know they were Jews. this changes EVERYTHING.


The word originated from the Hebrew Bible (diaspora is the greek traduction) but it has come to mean dispersed population in a more general sense
 
2013-04-21 06:32:21 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: I don't know what they are. Nobody does, yet. That's the point

Do you doubt that this was an act of terrorism?


Are all terrorist activities religiously motivated? Was Lanza's 26 murders an act of terrorism? Why should we treat a 3 murder act any differently?
 
2013-04-21 06:32:22 PM
It's my right as an American to knee-jerk everything.  I pay taxes!
 
2013-04-21 06:33:04 PM

albatros183: "...and the eventual idiocracy-ing..."
your assumption is that we are not already there, I only have watched about 20 min of idiocracy but it is what I experience day to day.
It's already to late.
Have fun

wow works in this thread to. :{


Well your atrocious grammar and spelling is definitely not helping.
 
2013-04-21 06:33:11 PM

Rapmaster2000: It's my right as an American to knee-jerk everything.  I pay taxes!


Taxes that the Federal Government forces me to give up at gunpoint to boot!
 
2013-04-21 06:33:26 PM

Tatsuma: gibbon1: Got a cite for that bunkie? Really if think about it. The US has been occupying Iraq for ten years now. Iran could have caused us a lot more trouble than we had if they wanted to.

... you mean like training Taliban fighters and Iraqi insurgents and providing them with lots of weapons and high-grade IEDs?

Seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism#Iran


Providing support to people so they can attack an army that has invaded their country is not terrorism.
 
2013-04-21 06:33:36 PM

utah dude: "diaspora"... ? i didn't know they were Jews. this changes EVERYTHING.


Between the czars and Stalin, Russia did some mass deportations of just about every ethnic minority in the empire.
 
2013-04-21 06:34:23 PM

Grungehamster: I've honestly seen more knee-jerk reactions to the news the FBI interviewed the older brother 2 years ago. I'm pretty sure half the interwebs is calling for impeachment hearings now, though to be fair they were already calling for impeachment hearings.


Thats what I don't get.

The pig frakers down south were calling Russia our greatest enemy just a few months back.  Now were supposed to believe everything they feed us about a nationality we know they'd love to see disappear.

As for these fraks, don't confuse understanding their motives for sympathy.  The former better informs us to possibly prevent this shiat in the future.  ZERO "libruls" up here are posturing the later.
 
2013-04-21 06:34:51 PM

Tatsuma: Except that literally no one thinks that these acts were link to Chechnya, rather it was unrelated terrorism.


The Economist continues its descent as a self-pretentious rag


What does self-pretentious mean? What could it mean?
 
2013-04-21 06:36:43 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: I don't know what they are. Nobody does, yet. That's the point

Do you doubt that this was an act of terrorism?


Who was it supposed to terrorize?
 
2013-04-21 06:36:45 PM

rumpelstiltskin: What does self-pretentious mean? What could it mean?


was going to write 'pretentious self-righteous rag', no idea how the fark it ended up being self-pretentious
 
2013-04-21 06:36:56 PM

Tatsuma: utah dude: "diaspora"... ? i didn't know they were Jews. this changes EVERYTHING.

The word originated from the Hebrew Bible (diaspora is the greek traduction) but it has come to mean dispersed population in a more general sense


tat, u rock. stay safe over there.
 
2013-04-21 06:37:18 PM

hubiestubert: Perhaps we might actually stop with the speculation on the young men's motives until we actually get something substantive.


Why wouldn't a so-called American rush to blame the brown people?  OMFG!!  Terrorist sympathizer!  Secret Muslim!  America hater!! Love it or leave it, Mahmoud al-hubiestubert!  And take your multiple child brides back to Arabistan with you!!1!
 
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