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2013-04-21 11:01:50 AM  
I assume they outnumbered by counter-protesters like 50:1 as usual?
 
2013-04-21 11:10:21 AM  
The KKK took my Mexican gardener away, they took him away, away from me.
 
2013-04-21 11:14:19 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I assume they outnumbered by counter-protesters like 50:1 as usual?


Yes.  Unfortunately, the author of TFA apparently didn't bring a camera.  If it actually happened the way the author described, the police "assault" on the counter-demonstrator should have been recorded.

Unfortunately, many anti-racists still haven't learned the important lesson that mockery is a better weapon than anger.  Those racist s**tstains thrive on anger, but they wither under mockery every time.
 
2013-04-21 11:14:59 AM  
Were they exchanging recipes?
 
2013-04-21 11:16:13 AM  
Go for it. They have the same right to assemble and make their views known. Of course, other folks have the same right to point and laugh.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-04-21 11:20:50 AM  
You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.
 
2013-04-21 11:23:56 AM  
I'll bet there were a bunch of rednecks who didn't know which uniform to wear
 
2013-04-21 11:30:00 AM  
Which is a perfect recipe for disaster -- and exactly what the Nazi's [sic], the KKK, and countless other hate groups thrive on. They want us to be complacent. They want us to think racism is a thing of the past.

lolwut?

I'm not saying the KKK and Nazis are the brightest bulbs, but I don't think even they are dumb enough to put on their silly costumes and "parade" in a major city in an effort to convince people that racism is dead.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-21 11:33:09 AM  
I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.
 
2013-04-21 11:37:16 AM  
To be fair, I think the cops just hate protests in general. It's a volatile situation, people are yelling at them and the cops know they are being filmed the whole time. They have to put up with whiny people on both sides of the fee speech zones and can't smash anyone's face in while trying to keep it orderly.

So I don't think that cop hates gays or loves the kkk. I think the cop probably wanted to throw ALL of them into a jail cell and get back to drinking coffee and eating doughnuts.
 
2013-04-21 11:41:31 AM  
FTA:How can the Nazi's and the KKK have their free speech protected at all cost (and believe me, the overtime cost to pay for all the police is coming out of YOUR pocket), yet an LGBTQ woman peacefully holding a sign can be savegely attacked by the police -- in 2013?

Because the racists were quietly walking down the street exercising their right to peaceful assembly and protest, while the LGBTQ woman was hurling insults and obscenities and frothing at the mouth and generally being the violent and threatening one?

Two things stand out for me about this article. The first is the author's desire to have the police stand down and let the mob tear the KKK and Nazi's to pieces. I get it. I really do. They're despicable. But no cop is going to allow a mob of angry people attack another group that is peacefully marching in broad daylight. That's called civil disorder, and it's the exact thing that cops are there to prevent.

The second is that this is some quality trolling on the part of the racists. Atlanta is majority black town, with a black mayor and (I'd be willing to bet) a majority black police force. The scene of an angry mob attacking the peaceful KKK and Nazi demonstrators is EXACTLY the scene they wanted to create. Good on the cops for stopping it and not giving them fuel to throw on the national news cycle.
 
2013-04-21 11:44:43 AM  

vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.


yet
 
2013-04-21 11:44:50 AM  

vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing. The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.


This is exactly why people rushed to think the Boston Bombing was homegrown. When you say things like "we came unarmed... THIS time." or "Second amendment solutions" yeah, that's not a very good PR campaign.
 
2013-04-21 11:47:32 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Were they exchanging recipes?


burnt cross buns?
 
2013-04-21 11:48:38 AM  

MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.


You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have your face kicked in by me. You have the right to have your balls stomped on by him.
 
2013-04-21 11:58:40 AM  
I'm sure fark's resident bigots will show up to condemn the KKK and Nazis.
 
2013-04-21 12:04:54 PM  

MBK: I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag. Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.



i.imgur.com

R.I.P.  WHERE ALL THE WHITE WOMEN AT

 
2013-04-21 12:06:59 PM  

vygramul: I'm sure fark's resident bigots will show up to condemn the KKK and Nazis.


Saying that makes you the real racist.
 
2013-04-21 12:08:29 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have your face kicked in by me. You have the right to have your balls stomped on by him.


i.imgur.com

I think I'll waive my rights.
 
2013-04-21 12:08:43 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: vygramul: I'm sure fark's resident bigots will show up to condemn the KKK and Nazis.

Saying that makes you the real racist.


They're not racist! They just happen to be allergic to melanin.
 
2013-04-21 12:09:34 PM  
I cannot blame some of them.  I'm sure you would join any group just to get out of Detroit.
 
2013-04-21 12:10:33 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.

You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have your face kicked in by me. You have the right to have your balls stomped on by him.


Is that a picture of you with Tommy Lasorda?  I hate Tommy Lasorda.
 
2013-04-21 12:11:23 PM  

vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.


Luckily, it sounds like they came unarmed.

This time, at least.
 
2013-04-21 12:14:57 PM  

vygramul: I'm sure fark's resident bigots will show up to condemn the KKK and Nazis.


i.imgur.com

To be fair, not all Klansmen are bigots.
 
2013-04-21 12:24:04 PM  
I can't imagine having a life so buttoned down, so well organized, so trouble free, that the amount of pigment in someone else's skin is the thing that keep me awake at night.
 
2013-04-21 12:25:53 PM  
While the Nazi/KKK rally could muster only about 25-30 people willing to show their faces in public, a broad and diverse coalition many times that number formed up in the last week and met them with several hours of fierce chanting, drumbeating, yelling, and singing.

Because nothing says "effective action for change" like sitting around, pretending to be all tribal and connected, beating on a farking drum.
 
2013-04-21 12:47:23 PM  
Elegy
group that is peacefully marching in broad daylight.

What peaceful marching in broad daylight might look like:

1.bp.blogspot.com

You have the right to BE a fascist or racial supremacist. You don't have the right to ORGANIZE toward fascism or racial supremacy.
 
2013-04-21 12:57:18 PM  
Was this before or after the group had its visit to the CDC?
 
2013-04-21 01:06:06 PM  
The group was met with anti-racist protesters as soon as they began making their way up Martin Luther King Jr Drive (the irony is not lost)

That's not irony, that's being as inflammatory as possible.
 
2013-04-21 01:07:07 PM  
How can the Nazi's and the KKK have their free speech protected at all cost (and believe me, the overtime cost to pay for all the police is coming out of YOUR pocket), yet an LGBTQ woman peacefully holding a sign can be savegely attacked by the police -- in 2013?

Um, because of the first amendment.
 
2013-04-21 01:10:26 PM  

RanDomino: Elegy
group that is peacefully marching in broad daylight.

What peaceful marching in broad daylight might look like:



You have the right to BE a fascist or racial supremacist. You don't have the right to ORGANIZE toward fascism or racial supremacy.


I'm sorry. I thought the right of peaceful assembly was a right afforded to all Americans, regardless of the derp involved.

My bad.
 
2013-04-21 01:23:28 PM  

SilentStrider: Was this before or after the group had its visit to the CDC?


i.imgur.com

Wait until they get to Illinois.
 
2013-04-21 01:31:13 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com


Has anybody read that Nazis are gonna march in New Jersey, you know? We should go there, get some guys together. Get some bricks and baseball bats and explain things to 'em.

                  There was this devastating satirical piece on that in the Times.

Well, a satirical piece in the Times is one thing, but bricks get right to the point.

                  But biting satire is better that physical force.

No, physical force is better with Nazis.
 
2013-04-21 01:33:04 PM  
cdn.hark.com

Where was Dr. Evil?
 
2013-04-21 01:41:51 PM  
There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.
 
2013-04-21 01:42:09 PM  
Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them
 
2013-04-21 01:43:44 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.


No, you know who has a right to do this? Any group that does not openly incite violence against others. Once you cross the line and your whole ideology is based around killing others and advocating so, you lose the right to openly hold marches while everyone ignores your stupid ideas.
 
2013-04-21 01:51:43 PM  

Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them


can't believe I'm agreeing with this one but

This
 
2013-04-21 01:52:23 PM  

Tatsuma: Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.

No, you know who has a right to do this? Any group that does not openly incite violence against others. Once you cross the line and your whole ideology is based around killing others and advocating so, you lose the right to openly hold marches while everyone ignores your stupid ideas.


You seem to be a lot smarter than the Supreme Court.
 
2013-04-21 01:53:09 PM  
 
2013-04-21 01:56:31 PM  

MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.


Actually you don't:

one LGBTQ woman was targeted for a sign that read "fark Off Nazi Scum." The woman was asked one time to put her sign away, although it was hard to hear anything in the crowd, and without another word, not even a chance to clarify what the officer was saying, a Capitol Police officer forcibly pushed his way into the crowd to grab the sign. The woman stepped back in reaction, at which point the officer reached into the woman's tank top, grabbed the area between her breasts, violently pulled her into the street and slammed her into the back of a police car, slamming her into it. Immediately after, the woman -- despite not fighting back and weighing a mere 110 pounds, if that -- was pounced on by officers from multiple departments and hauled away.

if you are a racist nazi scumbag your right to free speech is protected, but if you exercise those same rights in a counter protest you will be brutally beaten by the police.
 
2013-04-21 01:57:39 PM  

albatros183: can't believe I'm agreeing with this one but

This


I don't know why that would surprise you, most of my opinions are pretty middle of the road in general, except on a few subjects on Fark, and even that is a question of perspective, as it's more about Fark being slanted certain ways than me being so far out.

And yeah

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-21 01:57:54 PM  
 
2013-04-21 01:58:32 PM  

MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.


This.
 
2013-04-21 01:58:45 PM  
Perhaps the gangs of Atlanta know a bit of Chicago history . . . .
 
2013-04-21 01:59:23 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.


And what about the first amendment rights of the woman who was forced to put her sign away and then beaten and arrested for engaging in constitutionally protected speech.

//The first amendment is the only "permit" one needs to engage in free speech.
 
2013-04-21 02:00:01 PM  

Somacandra: SilentStrider: Was this before or after the group had its visit to the CDC?

[i.imgur.com image 640x336]

Wait until they get to Illinois.


Came here for this.

/hates Atlanta Nazis
 
2013-04-21 02:00:06 PM  

Warlordtrooper: if you are a racist nazi scumbag your right to free speech is protected, but if you exercise those same rights in a counter protest you will be brutally beaten by the police.


Anyone defending their 'right to free speech' is conveniently ignoring both:

- That incitement or advocating violence is not part of free speech
- The doctrine of 'Fighting Words'
 
2013-04-21 02:00:19 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll bet there were a bunch of rednecks who didn't know which uniform to wear


I suspect the real Nazis (Waffen SS especially) would have "those" sort of people exterminated...
 
2013-04-21 02:01:10 PM  
Nazis and KKK Protest in Atlanta, 'Free Speech' Protected by Local Police
Posted on April 20, 2013 at 11:22 pm

(Warning: some offensive language.)

Yeah I find German pretty hard on the ears and throat also.
 
2013-04-21 02:01:50 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: can't believe I'm agreeing with this one but

This

I don't know why that would surprise you, most of my opinions are pretty middle of the road in general, except on a few subjects on Fark, and even that is a question of perspective, as it's more about Fark being slanted certain ways than me being so far out.

And yeah

[i.imgur.com image 253x199]


This! [image}.jpg

I have a problem with your religion, I have a problem with religion we have a problem that way.
 
2013-04-21 02:01:56 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I suspect the real Nazis (Waffen SS especially) would have "those" sort of people exterminated...


They might not accept them in their ranks, but who do you think was a sizable portion of their support base and the cannon fodder they used to go smash up shops while saying they had nothing to do with it?
 
2013-04-21 02:02:06 PM  
Took my multi-racial daughter to Sea World in San Diego yesterday, and as we were walking, we saw some bald-headed guy with a giant swastika tattoo on the back of his pasty white skull, along with SS bolts on his neck, "Mein Kampf" tattooed on his shoulder, and all sorts of other racist crap.

Seriously?

Way to inject a giant dose of DOUCHE into a nice day.  How many people got to "enjoy" this cock-gobbler injecting his shiatty world view into their nice family day?  I wish someone would have dumped his ass in the shark tank at feeding time.
 
2013-04-21 02:02:19 PM  

Tatsuma: Warlordtrooper: if you are a racist nazi scumbag your right to free speech is protected, but if you exercise those same rights in a counter protest you will be brutally beaten by the police.

Anyone defending their 'right to free speech' is conveniently ignoring both:

- That incitement or advocating violence is not part of free speech
- The doctrine of 'Fighting Words'


Stupid Supreme Court!
 
2013-04-21 02:02:35 PM  

Warlordtrooper: MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.

Actually you don't:

one LGBTQ woman was targeted for a sign that read "fark Off Nazi Scum." The woman was asked one time to put her sign away, although it was hard to hear anything in the crowd, and without another word, not even a chance to clarify what the officer was saying, a Capitol Police officer forcibly pushed his way into the crowd to grab the sign. The woman stepped back in reaction, at which point the officer reached into the woman's tank top, grabbed the area between her breasts, violently pulled her into the street and slammed her into the back of a police car, slamming her into it. Immediately after, the woman -- despite not fighting back and weighing a mere 110 pounds, if that -- was pounced on by officers from multiple departments and hauled away.

if you are a racist nazi scumbag your right to free speech is protected, but if you exercise those same rights in a counter protest you will be brutally beaten by the police.



At least Fark got a mention on that LGBTBBQ woman's sign
 
2013-04-21 02:03:09 PM  
That is not a far walk for them.
 
2013-04-21 02:03:17 PM  

albatros183: I have a problem with your religion, I have a problem with religion we have a problem that way.


You'll also find that, while I might be a religious person, I will never try to force you in any way whatsoever to conform to my rules and norms, all I ask for is the right to privately live my life the way I want it.

So I really don't think we have a problem there either.
 
2013-04-21 02:06:09 PM  
Questions

1) Did the LGBTQ  woman also have a sign saying "I am LGBTQ" and what relevance does it have in the article?

2) How do you grab someone in the area between the breasts?
 
2013-04-21 02:07:05 PM  
EkimProx:

At least Fark got a mention on that LGBTBBQ woman's sign

I went to a LGBTBBQ once, but all they had on the grill was sausage.
 
2013-04-21 02:07:47 PM  
i34.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-21 02:08:16 PM  

Tatsuma: Forbidden Doughnut: I suspect the real Nazis (Waffen SS especially) would have "those" sort of people exterminated...

They might not accept them in their ranks, but who do you think was a sizable portion of their support base and the cannon fodder they used to go smash up shops while saying they had nothing to do with it?


The SA? ( and their leadership was purged in the Night of the Long Knives by the SS, IIRC)

/ I guess you could say the SA was comprised of redneck-equivalent elements, however...so point taken.
 
2013-04-21 02:09:04 PM  
Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.
 
2013-04-21 02:10:18 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: The SA? ( and their leadership was purged in the Night of the Long Knives by the SS, IIRC)


Well yeah, that was my point.

/ I guess you could say the SA was comprised of redneck-equivalent elements, however...so point taken.

The leadership was purged (they were not the foot soldiers) while the rest of the troops were just assimilated in the Nazi apparel.
 
2013-04-21 02:11:04 PM  
They want attention. Ignoring them is really the best way to deal with them. Outnumbering them 100 to 1 in a loud counter-protest is giving them what they want.

If they marched down an empty street with no one noticing them, I doubt they'd come back.
 
2013-04-21 02:11:10 PM  

jaytkay: Questions

1) Did the LGBTQ  woman also have a sign saying "I am LGBTQ" and what relevance does it have in the article?

2) How do you grab someone in the area between the breasts?


3) is it possible to be LGBTQ?
 
2013-04-21 02:12:51 PM  

skullkrusher: jaytkay: Questions

1) Did the LGBTQ  woman also have a sign saying "I am LGBTQ" and what relevance does it have in the article?

2) How do you grab someone in the area between the breasts?

3) is it possible to be LGBTQ?


I think it requires at least 4 surgeries.
 
2013-04-21 02:13:14 PM  

SubBass49: Took my multi-racial daughter to Sea World in San Diego yesterday, and as we were walking, we saw some bald-headed guy with a giant swastika tattoo on the back of his pasty white skull, along with SS bolts on his neck, "Mein Kampf" tattooed on his shoulder, and all sorts of other racist crap.

Seriously?

Way to inject a giant dose of DOUCHE into a nice day.  How many people got to "enjoy" this cock-gobbler injecting his shiatty world view into their nice family day?  I wish someone would have dumped his ass in the shark tank at feeding time.


I guess this is the price we pay for living in a (relatively) free society. Besides, people that alter themselves like that pay for it, in more ways than one...
 
2013-04-21 02:14:16 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I guess you could say the SA was comprised of redneck-equivalent elements, however...so point taken.


Actually, they were the LGBTQ contigent of the Nazis
 
2013-04-21 02:15:23 PM  
... yet an LGBTQ woman...

Wait, there's a 'q' now? How much more of the alphabet are they going to claim? And why don't they put them in order?

/i have CDO
//It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order as they should be
 
2013-04-21 02:16:24 PM  
Sorry, not buying the part about the cops VS the woman at all.
 
2013-04-21 02:16:48 PM  
Too bad it wasn't Inglourious Basterds Day at the ball park, where a baseball bat gets you in for free.

mediabane.com
 
2013-04-21 02:16:54 PM  

MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that


I love this post SO MUCH
 
2013-04-21 02:17:53 PM  
RanDomino: 
You have the right to BE a fascist or racial supremacist. You don't have the right to ORGANIZE toward fascism or racial supremacy.

Uh, yes you do.
 
2013-04-21 02:18:14 PM  
I'm tired of racists, I work with one biggot, at least one and it's so tiresome, even when it's not hate, everything is always related to race or religion,

I'm so tired of it I really can not stand it anymore, it makes me with the police and others would not protect it as it has no farking place in my life.

i'm 510/220 of reasonable fitness, I could easily clear it up in a way that I would deem acceptable. My right to not have to endure it seems outwieghed by others rights to flaunt it.

White/shaved/generally look like a skinhead except for them gay skinny jeans but im from somewhere where it plainly isn't acceptable to force anything on others or you will get your ass kicked, I wish the rest of the world was like that.

I feel for the counter protestors, it must take a lot of will power to not simply do away with that whole mess which is very obviously possible as stated in tfa
 
2013-04-21 02:19:31 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Were they exchanging recipes?


Those Nazis are masters with their ovens.
 
2013-04-21 02:20:16 PM  
EDIT


I'm tired of racists, I work with one biggot, at least one and it's so tiresome, even when it's not hate, everything is always related to race or religion,

I'm so tired of it I really can not stand it anymore, it makes me wish the police and others would not protect it as it has no farking place in my life.

i'm 510/220 of reasonable fitness, I could easily clear it up in a way that I would deem acceptable. My right to not have to endure it seems outwieghed by others rights to flaunt it.

White/shaved/generally look like a skinhead except for them gay skinny jeans but im from somewhere where it plainly isn't acceptable to force anything on others or you will get your ass kicked, I wish the rest of the world was like that.

I feel for the counter protestors, it must take a lot of will power to not simply do away with that whole mess which is very obviously possible as stated in tfa
 
2013-04-21 02:20:23 PM  
Given that the political views of most KKK members are generally virulently anti-socialism, this is sort of a touching incident of bipartisanship in action.

The KKK and the Nazis, despite their political differences found a way to reach across the aisle and agree that immigrants are just awful, then work together on the issue.  They're actually more functional than most of the legislative branch of the current government.
 
2013-04-21 02:20:45 PM  
Defend the bastards' free speech, otherwise Hitler won.
 
2013-04-21 02:21:16 PM  

Elegy: FTA:How can the Nazi's and the KKK have their free speech protected at all cost (and believe me, the overtime cost to pay for all the police is coming out of YOUR pocket), yet an LGBTQ woman peacefully holding a sign can be savegely attacked by the police -- in 2013?

Because the racists were quietly walking down the street exercising their right to peaceful assembly and protest, while the LGBTQ woman was hurling insults and obscenities and frothing at the mouth and generally being the violent and threatening one?

Two things stand out for me about this article. The first is the author's desire to have the police stand down and let the mob tear the KKK and Nazi's to pieces. I get it. I really do. They're despicable. But no cop is going to allow a mob of angry people attack another group that is peacefully marching in broad daylight. That's called civil disorder, and it's the exact thing that cops are there to prevent.

The second is that this is some quality trolling on the part of the racists. Atlanta is majority black town, with a black mayor and (I'd be willing to bet) a majority black police force. The scene of an angry mob attacking the peaceful KKK and Nazi demonstrators is EXACTLY the scene they wanted to create. Good on the cops for stopping it and not giving them fuel to throw on the national news cycle.


That may sound good in theory. And mabey your definition of beating varies from mine. But no amount of publicity on the matter would make up for the curb stompings stabbings
and attempted murders that would most likely happen if they werent protected.

hell even wearing a nazi uniform outside of a theatrical or historical re enactment setting should be cause for execution.

may that enemy never see the light of day again. Let no one even speak their names again
 
2013-04-21 02:21:51 PM  

redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.


Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.
 
2013-04-21 02:24:11 PM  
Maybe our parents and grandparents expected this sort of thing, but 50 years after the civil rights movement, we're still dealing with people set on spreading hatred and division in our society.

Yeah today we only expect (and condone) minorities to be spreading hatred and division. Get it together!
 
2013-04-21 02:26:31 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: ... yet an LGBTQ woman...

Wait, there's a 'q' now? How much more of the alphabet are they going to claim? And why don't they put them in order?

/i have CDO
//It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order as they should be


I think the "Q" is for "questioning"

But I guess they left out the "A" (Allies)

I think there may be even more...
 
2013-04-21 02:27:03 PM  
FTA : the Nazi/KKK rally could muster only about 25-30 people

That's at least enough to form a two-team softball league.
 
2013-04-21 02:27:08 PM  

3StratMan: Sorry, not buying the part about the cops VS the woman at all.


Yeah, but your skepticism comes from the fact that you are a bigot.
 
2013-04-21 02:27:10 PM  

thamike: redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.

Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.


It's edited by a small but fanatical group of dedicated assholes?
 
2013-04-21 02:28:33 PM  
thumbs.anyclip.com
 
2013-04-21 02:29:37 PM  
Should just ignore them. Nothing's more insulting to a fully dressed Nazi than not even bothering to stop playing with your phone as they march around the block. Were these counter-protestors all only children or something? You have to ignore the kid banging pots and pans until he gives up. He just wants attention.
 
2013-04-21 02:30:09 PM  
Meanwhile in N Arkansas.

i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 02:30:31 PM  
Isn't public obscenity, especially on a sign, generally cause for arrest?
 
2013-04-21 02:30:36 PM  

thamike: redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.

Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.


I know if I cite it as a source I'll be laughed out of the room. Anything else I need to know about it?
 
2013-04-21 02:32:05 PM  
www.dodge-club.net
The most effective weapon against marching Nazis. Dodge Monaco.
 
2013-04-21 02:32:15 PM  

Lord Jubjub: Isn't public obscenity, especially on a sign, generally cause for arrest?


No... ?
 
2013-04-21 02:32:24 PM  

redsquid: thamike: redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.

Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.

I know if I cite it as a source I'll be laughed out of the room. Anything else I need to know about it?


You don't cite Wikipedia.  You go down to the bottom of the page and cite the footnotes.
 
2013-04-21 02:33:56 PM  

Lord Jubjub: Isn't public obscenity, especially on a sign, generally cause for arrest?


"Fark the Nazis" would be political speech. If it just said "fark" there's probably a way to arrest them on disorderly or disrupting the peace of some kind.
 
2013-04-21 02:38:11 PM  

redsquid: thamike: redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.

Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.

I know if I cite it as a source I'll be laughed out of the room. Anything else I need to know about it?


Yeah, how it works, for one.
 
2013-04-21 02:41:38 PM  
This article is A #1 trolling.
 
2013-04-21 02:43:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: ArcadianRefugee: ... yet an LGBTQ woman...

Wait, there's a 'q' now? How much more of the alphabet are they going to claim? And why don't they put them in order?

/i have CDO
//It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order as they should be

I think the "Q" is for "questioning"

But I guess they left out the "A" (Allies)

I think there may be even more...


Q is can be for "Queer" or "Questioning"
A is for "Asexual" or "Alternative"
U is for "Undecided"
I is for "Intersex"
 
2013-04-21 02:43:53 PM  
Hiding behind police?

Gosh, where is a Bull Conner and his dogs when you need them?

/well, an anti-Bull Conner
 
2013-04-21 02:44:52 PM  
I wish people would say 'It's their right to assemble and free speech!'

It's not. The Supreme Court has ruled that incitement to violence and fighting words are not protected as Free Speech. Just as you cannot yell 'Fire' in a crowded theater, you cannot advocate violence against minorities.
 
2013-04-21 02:45:17 PM  
And no discussion of the KKK would be complete without Mitchell & Webb.
 
2013-04-21 02:45:35 PM  

RanDomino: Elegy
group that is peacefully marching in broad daylight.

What peaceful marching in broad daylight might look like:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x532]

You have the right to BE a fascist or racial supremacist. You don't have the right to ORGANIZE toward fascism or racial supremacy.


Know how I know you have never read the Constitution?
 
2013-04-21 02:45:52 PM  
They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.
 
2013-04-21 02:46:11 PM  
Interesting that I live about a mile from the capitol and knew nothing about the protest but some guy out in Snellville knew all the details. Almost any day of the week there is some group down at the capitol being ignored by everyone except subscribers to their newsletter. I don't know who's dumber, the counter-protestors who gave the racists exactly what they wanted or the author of the article who is obviously trolling. I'll go with smitty and the mod who approved the link.
 
2013-04-21 02:47:02 PM  
Came here a little while ago after the F1 rebroadcast (slept through it live). So far, have seen commercials, replay of M&M crash, commercials, Logano interview with no sound of Logano actually speaking, and more commercials.

Oh, now we're back to racing. Thanks FOX.

/Indy Lights looking pretty good in 15 minutes.
 
2013-04-21 02:47:19 PM  

Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them


Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?
 
2013-04-21 02:47:26 PM  

Lord Jubjub: Isn't public obscenity, especially on a sign, generally cause for arrest?


Not for arrest, but "time and manner restrictions" on speech (you can't play Carlin's Seven Dirty Words on the radio at 3 in the afternoon, for example) would make the cop entirely within his rights in asking her to put it away.  Her response to that is likely what led to the arrest.  I wasn't there, I have no idea what she did/didn't do in response, so I have no opinion on whether the cop was justified.  I'll only say that it's possible that he was, it's also possible that he drastically overreacted.  I just don't have enough information.
 
2013-04-21 02:47:33 PM  

Lanctwa: Q is can be for "Queer" or "Questioning"
A is for "Asexual" or "Alternative"
U is for "Undecided"
I is for "Intersex"


Clearly we need to add

D = When Drunk, sometimes engage in Gay sex
SB = Straight But own 4 Tegan & Sara cd
F = I Go to Lilith Fair every year
 
2013-04-21 02:49:19 PM  
Just to clarify, their hate is bad, his hate is OK.
 
2013-04-21 02:50:01 PM  

thamike: redsquid: thamike: redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.

Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.

I know if I cite it as a source I'll be laughed out of the room. Anything else I need to know about it?

Yeah, how it works, for one.


Look- I don't know how the Charlie Brown Cyclopedia is put together either, but if it doesn't serve my purposes for research, i don't need to.
 
2013-04-21 02:50:55 PM  
Quick show of hands:

How many here saying 'Well, they have the right to say this, let's just ignore them are white?

How many here saying 'Well, they have the right to say this, let's just ignore them are African-American/Jewish/(non-white)Immigrants/other Minorities?
 
2013-04-21 02:50:56 PM  
Aaaaand....I'm in the wrong thread.

Fark me.
 
2013-04-21 02:51:30 PM  
Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?
 
2013-04-21 02:51:30 PM  
(It's pretty farking easy to ignore racism and people calling for genocide when you are not the target)
 
2013-04-21 02:51:46 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.

yet


As opposed to some OWS people who only plotting to blow up a bridge I guess.
 
2013-04-21 02:53:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?


Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.
 
2013-04-21 02:54:53 PM  

Tatsuma: (It's pretty farking easy to ignore racism and people calling for genocide when you are not the target)


You're a convert to Judaism, not a real Jew. You aren't the target either.
 
2013-04-21 02:57:15 PM  

Lanctwa: Lionel Mandrake: ArcadianRefugee: ... yet an LGBTQ woman...

Wait, there's a 'q' now? How much more of the alphabet are they going to claim? And why don't they put them in order?

/i have CDO
//It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order as they should be

I think the "Q" is for "questioning"

But I guess they left out the "A" (Allies)

I think there may be even more...

Q is can be for "Queer" or "Questioning"
A is for "Asexual" or "Alternative"
U is for "Undecided"
I is for "Intersex"


All those letters are getting confusing.
Perhaps they should come up with an easy to remember acronym?
Like QUILTBAG?
 
2013-04-21 02:57:52 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll bet there were a bunch of rednecks who didn't know which uniform to wear

I suspect the real Nazis (Waffen SS especially) would have "those" sort of people exterminated...



Don't you mean the Allgemeine SS? Exermination was more their thing.
 
2013-04-21 02:58:45 PM  

Dogsbody: All those letters are getting confusing.
Perhaps they should come up with an easy to remember acronym?
Like QUILTBAG?


*facepalm*
 
2013-04-21 03:00:15 PM  
Canary in freedom coal mine still tweeting. Ho-hum.
 
2013-04-21 03:01:00 PM  

Tatsuma: (It's pretty farking easy to ignore racism and people calling for genocide when you are not the target)


Sorry, Tats, but the 1st Amendment applies to everyone in this country, not just those you approve of.
 
2013-04-21 03:01:34 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: I have a problem with your religion, I have a problem with religion we have a problem that way.

You'll also find that, while I might be a religious person, I will never try to force you in any way whatsoever to conform to my rules and norms, all I ask for is the right to privately live my life the way I want it.

So I really don't think we have a problem there either.


not going to argue this, been up since midnight, we don't agree; I support Israel but I also support Palestine.

I object to states

We do not agree.
 
2013-04-21 03:03:09 PM  

Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.


I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.
 
2013-04-21 03:03:55 PM  

albatros183: not going to argue this, been up since midnight, we don't agree; I support Israel but I also support Palestine.

I object to states

We do not agree.


Not going to derail this on I/P, I will just say this: I support peace between our people, and would support a two-state solution if it could lead to an actual peace. Not sure how you can support the two-state solution while objecting to states, though.

Either way, we slightly disagree on one topic, I don't see why you need to classify us as drastically opposed.
 
2013-04-21 03:04:23 PM  

Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them


I don't know. I've seen the type of boots neo Nazis wear. I think I'd be more scared of their boots than the Birkenstocks the average Farker wears.
 
2013-04-21 03:05:35 PM  
Tatsuma:

You'll also find that, while I might be a religious person, I will never try to force you in any way whatsoever to conform to my rules and norms, all I ask for is the right to privately live my life the way I want it.


Oh really?  You seem to think that the 1st amendment does not apply to anyone who has an opinion that you find repugnant.  That is most certainly trying to force others to conform to your rules and norms.
 
2013-04-21 03:07:07 PM  

iheartscotch: I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?


I moved to Israel about two years ago (actually visiting NA for a couple of months to spend time with relatives). I did not grow up there.

And sadly yes there are even skinheads in Israel, they are non-Jewish Russians. They are the children of non-Jewish russians who lied about being Jewish in order to flee the USSR and come live in Israel, because well any place is better than the USSR. Their children grew up disenfranchised as they don't feel part of society, either the Jewish or Arab parts of it, and by reading Russian stuff online, they've embraced neo-Nazism.

Yeah.

iheartscotch: By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.


A shiatload of us tried to ignore Hitler as a clown in the early 30s, and it ended up with six millions of us killed.

Real life is not the internet, those are not trolls, they are honest to G-d racists with open plans for genocide.
 
2013-04-21 03:07:36 PM  

Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them


OK let's see what else we have...
 
2013-04-21 03:07:41 PM  
Nazis and Klansmen are in the same category as Juggalos, Christian Fundamentalists and PETA protesters in my book: Crazy/stupid people I try to ignore, because paying attention to them just gives them more legitimacy.
 
2013-04-21 03:07:48 PM  

TerminalEchoes: I don't know. I've seen the type of boots neo Nazis wear. I think I'd be more scared of their boots than the Birkenstocks the average Farker wears.


Well that's why they need to buy proper boots first, obviously.
 
2013-04-21 03:08:11 PM  
It's funny how white supremacists show the supposed supremacy of the melanin-challenged by thinking and acting like un-evolved beasts. It's like North Korea showing its military supremacy by driving around in a 50-year-old tank held together by chewing gum and duct tape.

Seriously, you ass-clowns, all you're doing is showing your own inferiority. If the tone of someone's skin makes you this retarded, something is wrong with your life. Take a step back and reflect on it. Or throw yourselves off a tall bridge, whichever gets rid of you quicker.
 
2013-04-21 03:08:27 PM  

Tatsuma: The Supreme Court has ruled that incitement to violence and fighting words are not protected as Free Speech.


Hmmm...
 
2013-04-21 03:09:47 PM  

redsquid: Hmmm...


A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.
 
2013-04-21 03:10:03 PM  

Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them


Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.
 
2013-04-21 03:10:10 PM  

Mock26: Tatsuma: (It's pretty farking easy to ignore racism and people calling for genocide when you are not the target)

Sorry, Tats, but the 1st Amendment applies to everyone in this country, not just those you approve of.


Constitution?  He don't need no Constitution.

He answers to a Higher Authority.
 
2013-04-21 03:10:14 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.

I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.


tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.
 
2013-04-21 03:10:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.

yet


yeah, I've been meaning to express my condolences that neither the Ricin mailer nor Boston Bomber were Right Wing Teabagging Christians. That must've been devastating news.
 
2013-04-21 03:10:54 PM  
One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
static.neatorama.com
 
2013-04-21 03:11:04 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Mock26: Tatsuma: (It's pretty farking easy to ignore racism and people calling for genocide when you are not the target)

Sorry, Tats, but the 1st Amendment applies to everyone in this country, not just those you approve of.

Constitution?  He don't need no Constitution.

He answers to a Higher Authority.


He's a Hebrew, not a Hebrew National
 
2013-04-21 03:11:46 PM  

WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]


The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns
 
2013-04-21 03:12:07 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: not going to argue this, been up since midnight, we don't agree; I support Israel but I also support Palestine.

I object to states

We do not agree.

Not going to derail this on I/P, I will just say this: I support peace between our people, and would support a two-state solution if it could lead to an actual peace. Not sure how you can support the two-state solution while objecting to states, though.

Either way, we slightly disagree on one topic, I don't see why you need to classify us as drastically opposed.


not going to threat jack wanna talk eip im pretty sure, otherwise not hard to figure...
 
2013-04-21 03:12:12 PM  

skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns


Nobody understands the clown agenda.
 
2013-04-21 03:13:29 PM  

ph0rk: Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.


You might be making a rather smug face right now at your pithy attempt at ironic commentary, but you are actually right.

People absolutely need to band and fight fascists wherever they are and yes, it is us against them, and you can either be a fascist or be for democracy and rights.
 
2013-04-21 03:14:23 PM  

albatros183: The way to beat them is to beat them.


Be prepared to go to jail.
 
2013-04-21 03:14:38 PM  

albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.


Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.
 
2013-04-21 03:17:44 PM  

Tatsuma: I wish people would say 'It's their right to assemble and free speech!'

It's not. The Supreme Court has ruled that incitement to violence and fighting words are not protected as Free Speech. Just as you cannot yell 'Fire' in a crowded theater, you cannot advocate violence against minorities.


Sigh.  You really do not understand the 1st Amendment, do you?  Saying "Purple people are subhuman scum of the earth" is NOT an incitement to violence nor fighting words.
 
2013-04-21 03:18:11 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.


THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME
 
2013-04-21 03:19:03 PM  

gonegirl: Given that the political views of most KKK members are generally virulently anti-socialism, this is sort of a touching incident of bipartisanship in action.

The KKK and the Nazis, despite their political differences found a way to reach across the aisle and agree that immigrants are just awful, then work together on the issue.  They're actually more functional than most of the legislative branch of the current government.


Nazis hate socialists......
 
2013-04-21 03:19:19 PM  

WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]


Hmm... Clowns or Nazis... Which is more terrifying?
 
2013-04-21 03:19:27 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.


As far as I can tell, the only "incitements to violence" are coming from the people suggesting that physically assaulting the Nazi/KKK people is the appropriate response.
 
2013-04-21 03:19:42 PM  
Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.
 
2013-04-21 03:19:48 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.


Care to quote exactly what these protesters said to incite violence?  Go on, give us an example of their inciting violence.
 
2013-04-21 03:20:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.

I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.


And tats is one of the biggest trolls on Fark.
 
2013-04-21 03:21:12 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Nazis hate socialists......


Really depends where, actually. I read a long article from Golden Dawn where they are all about 'Let's destroy capitalism it is the scourge of the earth, we need a more socialist form of government that will treat ethnic Greeks the way they should be treated (after we kill all minorities and take back Northern Cyprus)'
 
2013-04-21 03:21:20 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Lord Jubjub: Isn't public obscenity, especially on a sign, generally cause for arrest?

Not for arrest, but "time and manner restrictions" on speech (you can't play Carlin's Seven Dirty Words on the radio at 3 in the afternoon, for example) would make the cop entirely within his rights in asking her to put it away.  Her response to that is likely what led to the arrest.  I wasn't there, I have no idea what she did/didn't do in response, so I have no opinion on whether the cop was justified.  I'll only say that it's possible that he was, it's also possible that he drastically overreacted.  I just don't have enough information.


I would argue that obscenity is no different then hate speech.   Which has been determined to be protected by the first amendment.
 
2013-04-21 03:21:32 PM  

SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.


See the above post for an example a real incitement to violence
 
2013-04-21 03:22:22 PM  

kortex: They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.


Mock26: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?


"Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"
 
2013-04-21 03:23:22 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again:  The greatest threat to America comes not from terrorists or other who wish her harm.  It comes from within; it comes from those who are charged with the obligation to protect our rights and freedoms.
 
2013-04-21 03:23:24 PM  

ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.


Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare
 
2013-04-21 03:23:36 PM  

SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.


Yup. And just because they can shut themselves up and not yell 'KILL ALL THE KIKES' for a 20 minutes march does not completely nullify the fact that this is what their pamphlets and propaganda arms are screaming all day long over the internet where anonymity is much easier and harder to prosecute.

Therefore they have to be taken up for it whenever they crawl out of their trailers, and beat the shiat out of them until they return. Whack a Nazi all day 'err day.

And yes, even if that results in assault charges.
 
2013-04-21 03:24:08 PM  

SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.


You missed the part of the article where the counter-protester was beaten and arrested for her sign, didn't you?
 
2013-04-21 03:24:24 PM  

Tatsuma: iheartscotch: I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

I moved to Israel about two years ago (actually visiting NA for a couple of months to spend time with relatives). I did not grow up there.

And sadly yes there are even skinheads in Israel, they are non-Jewish Russians. They are the children of non-Jewish russians who lied about being Jewish in order to flee the USSR and come live in Israel, because well any place is better than the USSR. Their children grew up disenfranchised as they don't feel part of society, either the Jewish or Arab parts of it, and by reading Russian stuff online, they've embraced neo-Nazism.

Yeah.

iheartscotch: By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.

A shiatload of us tried to ignore Hitler as a clown in the early 30s, and it ended up with six millions of us killed.

Real life is not the internet, those are not trolls, they are honest to G-d racists with open plans for genocide.


I'll take your word for it; you'd think that skinheads wouldn't last long in Israel.

Hitler was a clown; he just used Jews as scapegoats to unite the other germans.

But, the right to free speech is necessary to a free society. Even if that right is misused; it needs to be preserved.

/ if that means putting up with those we would rather silence; then that is what is required to maintain a free society.
 
2013-04-21 03:25:16 PM  

Somacandra: vygramul: I'm sure fark's resident bigots will show up to condemn the KKK and Nazis.

[i.imgur.com image 500x333]

To be fair, not all Klansmen are bigots.


I've never seen this picture before, and frankly, it concerns me. It fills me with self doubt. What stands out most to me isn't the pink sheet costumes or the glaring contrast between that particular costume and the men wearing it. It's not even the guy in the back who's behind a sign with a message of tolerance and understanding while holding a shotgun. What stands out the most to me is the fact that Spongebob Squarepants is showing on a monitor off to the side. What does that say about me? Is there something wrong with me?
 
2013-04-21 03:25:29 PM  

albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare


you're afraid of 85 year olds?
 
2013-04-21 03:25:33 PM  

albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare


A handful of redneck yokels from Sisterfark, Georgia isn't a fascist threat worth concerning yourself with.
 
2013-04-21 03:25:57 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.


Which in fairness, is exactly why most KKK marches concentrate on "pride" and "unity" and "faith."

Generally they save the incitements to violence until they get home, or in their own meeting houses.

Don't get me wrong: when I was bouncing, I had zero tolerance for skinheads, and certainly had enough incidents with their goofy asses, but simply being isn't a crime. You have to actually wait for them to do something before you jump on them. Which, oddly enough, is a lesson that my own people learned during the Internment here in the US.

The best way to combat these folks isn't by putting a responsive beat down upon them, but to make their rhetoric irrelevant. Much in the same way that the Westboro folks are a sad, sad, sad joke. You watch their asses to be sure, but more and more, the best way to keep them from gaining ground, is to mock them into oblivion. And maybe not elect them to office. Simply being a racist assbag isn't enough for prosecution, and walking while racist isn't REALLY a crime. The idea is to be better than the little fascist sh*tbags...
 
2013-04-21 03:25:58 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"


Exactly. I really wish you could associate faces with posts, because I really think that the idea of 'White Privilege' would really come to life in this thread. I get the feeling that 95% of those saying they have a right to free speech and do what they are doing and should just be ignored are white men.

/Other 5% white women.

Rodeodoc: I've said it before and I'll say it again:  The greatest threat to America comes not from terrorists or other who wish her harm.  It comes from within; it comes from those who are charged with the obligation to protect our rights and freedoms.


Nazis are not the real enemy, guys, the GOVERNMENT is!

/go back to celebrating 4:20
 
2013-04-21 03:26:25 PM  

skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns


What about the Ku Klux Klowns?
 
2013-04-21 03:27:05 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME


Ask yourself
Why aren't you?
 
2013-04-21 03:27:44 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns

What about the Ku Klux Klowns?


Do they pile 25 deep into a Chevy pickup with a gun rack?
 
2013-04-21 03:28:45 PM  

albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?


because actually confronting violent racists in Georgia is a lot harder than talking about it on the internet from Canada?
 
2013-04-21 03:29:04 PM  

Mock26: Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.

Care to quote exactly what these protesters said to incite violence?  Go on, give us an example of their inciting violence.


Don't waste your time.  Tats if a fkn coward who avoids difficult questions.  Typical ITG.
 
2013-04-21 03:29:04 PM  

skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?


Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.
 
2013-04-21 03:29:48 PM  

iheartscotch: I'll take your word for it; you'd think that skinheads wouldn't last long in Israel.


Well, there aren't a lot of them, so they usually stay indoors and don't make too much trouble. But yeah they are here and have been responsible for anti-semitic attacks and vandalism.

iheartscotch: Hitler was a clown; he just used Jews as scapegoats to unite the other germans.


And this is false, he used a climate of hatred that had been pervasive in Germany especially since Luther, and it could easily be argued that Hitler's end goal was the extermination of Jews and then the rest of minorities versus winning the war. Not only can it be easily argued, that's pretty much the opinion of every decent Historian.

iheartscotch: But, the right to free speech is necessary to a free society. Even if that right is misused; it needs to be preserved.


Free speech does not cover incitement to violence or fighting words, that's not a hard concept to grasp.
 
2013-04-21 03:29:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns

What about the Ku Klux Klowns?


simpsonswiki.net
 
2013-04-21 03:29:58 PM  
Tatsuma
Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

I invite Tatsuma to apply his own standards to himself.

/I know I'm on his /ignore
 
2013-04-21 03:30:07 PM  

albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?


There aren't any where I live, for one.

Oh, also, what they're doing isn't illegal, no matter how much Tats wishes it were.
 
2013-04-21 03:31:10 PM  

RanDomino: Tatsuma
Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

I invite Tatsuma to apply his own standards to himself.

/I know I'm on his /ignore


He has no time for people who don't swallow his BS
 
2013-04-21 03:31:50 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns

What about the Ku Klux Klowns?

Do they pile 25 deep into a Chevy pickup with a gun rack?


As well as perform hilarious feats of showmanship on high-wires strung between burning crosses and ride around on swastika-shaped bicycles while throwing pies at each other.
 
2013-04-21 03:33:03 PM  
A-hem.  Anyone remember Georgia Governor Lester Maddox and his axe-handle politics?

/wanders out to make sure no kids are playing on the lawn
 
2013-04-21 03:33:39 PM  

Notabunny: I can't imagine having a life so buttoned down, so well organized, so trouble free, that the amount of pigment in someone else's skin is the thing that keep me awake at night.


I see you've never been to a massage parlor, have you?
 
2013-04-21 03:34:28 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.


I've counter protested at these Klan rallies before and they are not up there advocating violence. The rank and file might be ignorant sheep but they have reasonably intelligent leaders. They tone their rhetoric down for these appearances. There are always some SHARPS and ARA types who will get violent and destroy property, but the Klan and the skins have learned to be a bit more presentable. You can't shut down public speech based on what's in a man's heart- only on what comes out of his mouth.
You, on the other hand, are calling for violence and hatred. Yeah I know- you're a victim. Aint we all? I've been a victim of the exact people this rally was protesting- immigrants. I live in Florida where the government allows ex-pat Cubans to form paramilitary organizations. I see second generation Cubans who can't speak English and refuse to assimilate into the host culture. Meanwhile we have a huge number of Latin gangs and 'guest workers' sending every red cent they can out of the country. This system needs to be fixed.
I just wish the Klan would stop making themselves the poster children of this fight. I'm sick of the defense of culture being turned into a toe hold for racism, but I'm not advocating violence against these people. That only escalates the situation. These morons are tooling for a fight- don't give it to them.
 
2013-04-21 03:34:53 PM  

vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.


I am.

If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?

The author offers no concrete, indisputable facts about growing membership in these groups. Why would he want to imply otherwise? He wouldn't because then there wouldn't be a story. These groups always exaggerate or claim their numbers are growing. Who would listen to them if they claimed they were dinosaurs on the edge of extinction?

I'm not saying racism is nonexistent; not saying there aren't plenty of bigots out there. It's just they tend to organize more along political lines than racial ones. The people that used to be clansmen now use other, less polarized means, to oppress people. You can't openly work to keep people down because of their skin color. You CAN work to keep thier economic class grovelling in the gutter; you CAN make it harder for them to grab their bootstraps and pull themselves out of the economic sewer. Don't believe me? Head on over to the Politics tab and read any random article.
 
2013-04-21 03:35:08 PM  

SoupJohnB: A-hem.  Anyone remember Georgia Governor Lester Maddox and his axe-handle politics?

/wanders out to make sure no kids are playing on the lawn


"Mo" Lester Maddox?
 
2013-04-21 03:36:13 PM  

iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.


he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair
 
2013-04-21 03:36:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: kortex: They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.

Mock26: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?

"Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"


That is the beauty, and ugliness, that is the 1st Amendment.  And so long as they are not inciting death and terror and violence then I will defend with my life their right to say whatever they want.  But, publicly saying that you hate black people or that jewish people are subhuman is not inciting death and terror.
 
2013-04-21 03:38:32 PM  

redsquid: I've counter protested at these Klan rallies before and they are not up there advocating violence. The rank and file might be ignorant sheep but they have reasonably intelligent leaders. They tone their rhetoric down for these appearances.


Well yes, I know that and covered it up earlier in the thread.

Just the fact that they present a more polite face during these things doesn't mean they should be tolerated or ignored.

redsquid: There are always some SHARPS and ARA types who will get violent and destroy property, but the Klan and the skins have learned to be a bit more presentable. You can't shut down public speech based on what's in a man's heart- only on what comes out of his mouth.


ARA member myself for years. And when you smash what comes out of their mouth, that's half of the battle out there. The worst thing that these people do is the propaganda and disseminating their views and attracting others. That's why the most vital thing is to stop any efforts to recruit. Which includes breaking down their rallies

redsquid: You, on the other hand, are calling for violence and hatred. Yeah I know- you're a victim. Aint we all?


Clearly not.

redsquid: I've been a victim of the exact people this rally was protesting- immigrants. I live in Florida where the government allows ex-pat Cubans to form paramilitary organizations. I see second generation Cubans who can't speak English and refuse to assimilate into the host culture. Meanwhile we have a huge number of Latin gangs and 'guest workers' sending every red cent they can out of the country. This system needs to be fixed.


So on one hand you defend the rights of Nazis and Klansmen, then you turn around and start spewing hatred on Cubans and Latinos and immigrants in general. Not a surprise.
 
2013-04-21 03:40:16 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?


Because the Republicans have co-opted their message.
 
2013-04-21 03:42:07 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?


Because most of them know that ARA and SHARP, as well as Law Enforcement, will be at the rallies, taking pictures and documenting every single person who is protesting in order who they are, which is a big pain in the ass when you're a criminal, therefore the vast majority stay home in order to be able to spread their propaganda and commit crimes more easily.

Feral_and_Preposterous: The author offers no concrete, indisputable facts about growing membership in these groups. Why would he want to imply otherwise? He wouldn't because then there wouldn't be a story. These groups always exaggerate or claim their numbers are growing. Who would listen to them if they claimed they were dinosaurs on the edge of extinction?


Because it's organizations like the SPLC who takes care of this, and no they are not dinosaurs on the verge of extinction, post-9/11 they have been exploding all over the place, especially post-Obama's 1st election.

Feral_and_Preposterous: I'm not saying racism is nonexistent; not saying there aren't plenty of bigots out there. It's just they tend to organize more along political lines than racial ones. The people that used to be clansmen now use other, less polarized means, to oppress people. You can't openly work to keep people down because of their skin color. You CAN work to keep thier economic class grovelling in the gutter; you CAN make it harder for them to grab their bootstraps and pull themselves out of the economic sewer. Don't believe me? Head on over to the Politics tab and read any random article.


Let me guess: White, middle-class, blue state, live in a major city
 
2013-04-21 03:42:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?

There aren't any where I live, for one.

Oh, also, what they're doing isn't illegal, no matter how much Tats wishes it were.


In Western Mass, there are a few rallies and marches. And to be honest, they're well attended, and mostly by folks who mock and jeer. Here, they tend to focus on the brown folks and Eastern Europeans, because the black folks are fewer, and more likely to fight back, and the yellow folks are organized. The funny thing, as much as they turn their ire on the Quebecois and Eastern Europeans, and their fellow citizens from Puerto Rico, it only gets folks together to collectively mock them.

Don't get me wrong. In prisons, these white power thugs ARE a power to be reckoned with. Our prison system has done far more to cohese these folks than anything outside those walls, and that carries outside the walls, because a lot of cons have a hard time making it, and the gangs they join inside, and owe when they get out do offer them at least something. If we really want to end these hate groups, than taking a bite out of the for profit prison system is going to go a ways towards that end. Guys who wind up going to jail for pot do some decent time, and when they get there, they are faced with taking the protection of groups, or facing that time alone, and fairly vulnerable. La Eme has grown in power because of our prisons as well. If we were a wise people, we might think a bit before we start stockpiling prisoners like a cheap source of labor and a place to dump folks we don't want to educate, or deal with the issues in their communities, but that isn't exactly going to happen any time soon.
 
2013-04-21 03:42:19 PM  

skullkrusher: iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.

he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair


I heard a horrible joke the other day.

A Muslim, an illegal alien and a communist walked into a bar; the bartender said, "What can I get you to drink, Mr. President".
 
2013-04-21 03:43:03 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

I moved to Israel about two years ago (actually visiting NA for a couple of months to spend time with relatives). I did not grow up there.

And sadly yes there are even skinheads in Israel, they are non-Jewish Russians. They are the children of non-Jewish russians who lied about being Jewish in order to flee the USSR and come live in Israel, because well any place is better than the USSR. Their children grew up disenfranchised as they don't feel part of society, either the Jewish or Arab parts of it, and by reading Russian stuff online, they've embraced neo-Nazism.

Yeah.

iheartscotch: By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.

A shiatload of us tried to ignore Hitler as a clown in the early 30s, and it ended up with six millions of us killed.

Real life is not the internet, those are not trolls, they are honest to G-d racists with open plans for genocide.

I'll take your word for it; you'd think that skinheads wouldn't last long in Israel.

Hitler was a clown; he just used Jews as scapegoats to unite the other germans.

But, the right to free speech is necessary to a free society. Even if that right is misused; it needs to be preserved.

/ if that means putting up with those we would rather silence; then that is what is required to maintain a free society.


Skinheads in Israel are a mix of stupid russians(can't believe I am agreeing with Tatsuma !) and Zionist skins, if your not from Jamaica you need to prove your not a fascist.
To be clear I don't condone state action against any of these people.

/Also do not condone states.
 
2013-04-21 03:43:14 PM  

iheartscotch: skullkrusher: iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.

he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair

I heard a horrible joke the other day.

A Muslim, an illegal alien and a communist walked into a bar; the bartender said, "What can I get you to drink, Mr. President".


hehe not bad.
 
2013-04-21 03:44:42 PM  

jaytkay: Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?

Because the Republicans have co-opted their message.


Yup. But please, it is the Republican party leadership. I know a lot of good "Republicans" that don't realize they are not Republicans.
 
2013-04-21 03:44:44 PM  

albatros183: and Zionist skins


No such thing as 'Zionist skinheads'.
 
2013-04-21 03:46:01 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.

I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.


You can laugh at them, too. Right?
 
2013-04-21 03:46:59 PM  
From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
24.media.tumblr.com

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.
 
2013-04-21 03:48:03 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: and Zionist skins

No such thing as 'Zionist skinheads'.


Friday night we'll be drinking Manischewitz
Going out to terrorize Goyim
Stomping shagitz, screwing shiksas
As long as we're home by Saturday morning
Cause hey, we're the Brews
Sporting anti-swastika tattoos
Oi Oi we're the boys
Orthodox, hesidic, O.G. Ois
Orthopedic, Dr. Martens good for
Waffle making, kicking through the shin
Reputation, gained through intimidation
Pacifism no longer tradition
Cause hey we're the Brews
Sporting anti-swastika tattoos
Oi Oi we're the Brews
The fairfax ghetto boys skinhead Hebrews
We got the might, psycho mashuganas
We can't lose a fight, as we are the chosen ones
Chutzpah driven, we battle then we feast
We celebrate, we'll separate our milkplates from our meat
We're the Brews
Sporting anti-swastika tattoos
Oi Oi we're the boys
Orthodox, hesidic, O.G. Ois
 
2013-04-21 03:48:11 PM  
So the Nazis and KKK walk into Atlanta .

And the Nazis have a parrot on their shoulder.
 So the KKK says, "Where'd you get that thing?"
And the parrot says, "Germany."
 
2013-04-21 03:48:22 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: I've been a victim of the exact people this rally was protesting- immigrants. I live in Florida where the government allows ex-pat Cubans to form paramilitary organizations. I see second generation Cubans who can't speak English and refuse to assimilate into the host culture. Meanwhile we have a huge number of Latin gangs and 'guest workers' sending every red cent they can out of the country. This system needs to be fixed.

So on one hand you defend the rights of Nazis and Klansmen, then you turn around and start spewing hatred on Cubans and Latinos and immigrants in general. Not a surprise.


OK let me get this straight- you got beat up by skins when you were younger so you hate them and call for their violent suppression.
I get beaten by Cubans and I call for immigration reform and cultural assimilation and I'm 'spewing hatred'? Go back to Isreal you farking moron.
Jews don't have a monopoly on victimhood.
 
2013-04-21 03:50:01 PM  

ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
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It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.


Damn...what a sad picture.
 
2013-04-21 03:50:04 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I would argue that obscenity is no different then hate speech. Which has been determined to be protected by the first amendment.


You could argue that all you like, but the Supreme Court disagrees.  The full thing is a bit too complicated to go into, but the short of it is twofold:  First, the Court puts the highest protections of all on political speech.  Obscenity isn't political in nature, and attaching it to a statement that IS political doesn't make it so.  Hate speech, while vile, is arguably, and perhaps intrinsically, political in nature.

Second, it comes down to viewpoint-based vs. content-based restrictions.  The cursing on a sign is purely content-based, since it applies across the board, no matter why someone is using it.  There are similar cases where towns put a blanket prohibition on billboards and the like.  There still has to be a reason, but the standard is much lower than in:  Viewpoint-Based Restrictions, which is prohibiting a certain point of view.  A law banning hate speech would fall under this latter category.  Imagine a law allowing anti-abortion messages, but prohibiting pro-choice mesages delivered in exactly the same manner.  The government can't say "viewpoint-based restriction is okay in this case, but not that case" because there's no hard-and-fast distinction, and creating a case-by-case basis would amount to nothing more than "only the speech we like is permitted," which is EXACTLY what the Court wants to avoid.  Result:  Viewpoint-based prohibitions are not allowed.

Tats has banged the drum about incitement to violence, but he either doesn't know or is wilfully ignorant of how high a bar "incitement to violence" is.  (Taking all bets!  Is Tats stupid or dishonest!?)  In fact, there are specific cases in relatively recent history that actually did deal with neo-Nazi and Klan rallies where the Court explicitly ruled that the rhetoric didn't rise to incitement of violence.  As for Fighting Words, that doesn't mean that "if it makes me want to hit you, that means it's not protected speech."  It has a far more nuanced definition, and we should all be very glad of that.
 
2013-04-21 03:50:14 PM  

skullkrusher: albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?

because actually confronting violent racists in Georgia is a lot harder than talking about it on the internet from Canada?


I agree but somehow not impossible, been done before.
Whatever organize, resist do what you can.

Think I haven't been punched in the head by nazis or cops, wrong(both).
It's dangerous, that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing.

whatever pick your battles if you want to have some sort of freedom, well you have your pick of battles in the states.
 
2013-04-21 03:50:22 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: SoupJohnB: A-hem.  Anyone remember Georgia Governor Lester Maddox and his axe-handle politics?

/wanders out to make sure no kids are playing on the lawn

"Mo" Lester Maddox?


"Mo" or less.  How about the baseball player nick-named "Hank," who received death threats while hitting home runs for the Atlanta "Braves?"

/Anyone?

//Bueller?
 
2013-04-21 03:51:45 PM  

Tatsuma: SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.

Yup. And just because they can shut themselves up and not yell 'KILL ALL THE KIKES' for a 20 minutes march does not completely nullify the fact that this is what their pamphlets and propaganda arms are screaming all day long over the internet where anonymity is much easier and harder to prosecute.

Therefore they have to be taken up for it whenever they crawl out of their trailers, and beat the shiat out of them until they return. Whack a Nazi all day 'err day.

And yes, even if that results in assault charges.


So, it is wrong for neo-nazis to incite violence against someone because of their beliefs but it is OK for jews to incite violence against someone because of their beliefs?  You are an even lower form of scum than they are.
 
2013-04-21 03:52:23 PM  

Warlordtrooper: gonegirl: Given that the political views of most KKK members are generally virulently anti-socialism, this is sort of a touching incident of bipartisanship in action.

The KKK and the Nazis, despite their political differences found a way to reach across the aisle and agree that immigrants are just awful, then work together on the issue.  They're actually more functional than most of the legislative branch of the current government.

Nazis hate socialists......


Nazis hate communists.  They are supporters of national socialism.
 
2013-04-21 03:52:55 PM  

redsquid: OK let me get this straight- you got beat up by skins when you were younger so you hate them and call for their violent suppression.
I get beaten by Cubans and I call for immigration reform and cultural assimilation and I'm 'spewing hatred'? Go back to Isreal you farking moron.
Jews don't have a monopoly on victimhood.


Nazis, cubans, what's the difference!

I'm advocating to stop fascists who want to destroy the heart of American society.
You are advocating stopping Americans from doing what they want with their money, and live their lives the way they want to live them. Oh and stop more brown people from coming to America, because they won't do with their money and lives what you want them to do.

So yeah, you're spewing hatred.
 
2013-04-21 03:54:53 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183


*sigh*

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see I told you we don't agree on many things you just haven't been paying attention
 
2013-04-21 03:54:54 PM  

SDRR: iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.

I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.

You can laugh at them, too. Right?


Indeed.
 
2013-04-21 03:56:01 PM  
Man, SuperJew is just the worst.
 
2013-04-21 03:56:03 PM  

albatros183: [citationplease].jpg

see I told you we don't agree on many things you just haven't been paying attention


You are the one who made the claim that 'zionist skinheads' are roaming in Israel, you're the one who has to backup your claim
 
2013-04-21 03:56:41 PM  
random story but my wife and I went to a Street Dogs show in Atlanta last year where a gang of skinheads showed up that pretty much ruined the show for everyone. It was really terrible especially considering the positive message the band puts out.
 
2013-04-21 03:56:45 PM  

jaytkay: Questions

1) Did the LGBTQ  woman also have a sign saying "I am LGBTQ" and what relevance does it have in the article?

2) How do you grab someone in the area between the breasts?


What's the Q for?  Queer?  Like lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered doesn't adequately describe your sexuality, but you can't quite put a label on what you're really into?

You've never seen the Sternal Deathgrip?
 
2013-04-21 03:56:51 PM  

skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?


no just of people that would stick their tongues onto the pole
 
2013-04-21 03:59:20 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: random story but my wife and I went to a Street Dogs show in Atlanta last year where a gang of skinheads showed up that pretty much ruined the show for everyone. It was really terrible especially considering the positive message the band puts out.


A couple of weeks ago, a guy stormed the stage at a Dropkick Murphys show and while on the stage, made a Nazi salute. The lead singer actually stopped singing, dropped his guitar, bumrushed the guy, punched him a few times then kicked him out of the stage, then returned to his mic and yelled 'farking Nazis are NOT welcomed to our shows' before they started playing a new song

That was pretty farking awesome
 
2013-04-21 04:00:10 PM  

Mock26: Keizer_Ghidorah: kortex: They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.

Mock26: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?

"Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"

That is the beauty, and ugliness, that is the 1st Amendment.  And so long as they are not inciting death and terror and violence then I will defend with my life their right to say whatever they want.  But, publicly saying that you hate black people or that jewish people are subhuman is not inciting death and terror.


Hey, hate speech is hate speech. I may be seen as the worst monster in the history of ever because I say this, but when it's Obviously Evil it shouldn't be tolerated. When you're having rallies and marches that are based around your perceived "superiority" and telling everyone to treat others as non-human and to abuse and destroy them every chance you get, your public speaking privileges should be revoked.

Now, let's start the slippery slopes, logical fallacies, cries of "You monster!", and how I'm just like Hitler.
 
2013-04-21 04:01:12 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: [citationplease].jpg

see I told you we don't agree on many things you just haven't been paying attention

You are the one who made the claim that 'zionist skinheads' are roaming in Israel, you're the one who has to backup your claim


And you're the one who says these rallies are unconstitutional so back it up.

(Yeah, I know he's ignoring this uncomfortable issue)
 
2013-04-21 04:02:59 PM  

Tatsuma: I'm advocating to stop fascists who want to destroy the heart of American society.
You are advocating stopping Americans from doing what they want with their money, and live their lives the way they want to live them. Oh and stop more brown people from coming to America, because they won't do with their money and lives what you want them to do.

So yeah, you're spewing hatred.


Oh yeah- because Israel's open-arms immigration policy is a model for the rest of the world. You are a POS hypocrite.
 
2013-04-21 04:03:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?

There aren't any where I live, for one.

Oh, also, what they're doing isn't illegal, no matter how much Tats wishes it were.


Well I have no idea what's going on where you are but when there is violence and organizing for violence I tend to oppose that don't care what tats thinks, I agree on virtually nothing with him.
If there are no nazis where you live great for you, your lucky, your probably wrong but if true great!
your the one that said they do it all the time, assumed that was an eye witness rather than an internet tough guy response sorry.
 
2013-04-21 04:04:59 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: and Zionist skins

No such thing as 'Zionist skinheads'.


What about the brownshirts who kidnap Jewish women who marry Palestinians?

Oh wait, you mean literal skinheads, with the shaved scalps.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:58 PM  

Tatsuma: Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?

Because most of them know that ARA and SHARP, as well as Law Enforcement, will be at the rallies, taking pictures and documenting every single person who is protesting in order who they are, which is a big pain in the ass when you're a criminal, therefore the vast majority stay home in order to be able to spread their propaganda and commit crimes more easily.

Feral_and_Preposterous: The author offers no concrete, indisputable facts about growing membership in these groups. Why would he want to imply otherwise? He wouldn't because then there wouldn't be a story. These groups always exaggerate or claim their numbers are growing. Who would listen to them if they claimed they were dinosaurs on the edge of extinction?

Because it's organizations like the SPLC who takes care of this, and no they are not dinosaurs on the verge of extinction, post-9/11 they have been exploding all over the place, especially post-Obama's 1st election.

Feral_and_Preposterous: I'm not saying racism is nonexistent; not saying there aren't plenty of bigots out there. It's just they tend to organize more along political lines than racial ones. The people that used to be clansmen now use other, less polarized means, to oppress people. You can't openly work to keep people down because of their skin color. You CAN work to keep thier economic class grovelling in the gutter; you CAN make it harder for them to grab their bootstraps and pull themselves out of the economic sewer. Don't believe me? Head on over to the Politics tab and read any random article.

Let me guess: White, middle-class, blue state, live in a major city


1.) No way to really prove or disprove this. Kind of my point. Evidence is lacking.

2.) If these groups are "exploding all over the place" it's weird I have yet to run across one (or even a member).

3.) 50% ain't bad. It ain't good, either.
 
2013-04-21 04:06:18 PM  

redsquid: Oh yeah- because Israel's open-arms immigration policy is a model for the rest of the world. You are a POS hypocrite.


I take it as a badge of honor to be called a piece of shiat by a man screaming about how Latinos should be speaking English and assimilate money and send their money oversea.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, hate speech is hate speech. I may be seen as the worst monster in the history of ever because I say this, but when it's Obviously Evil it shouldn't be tolerated. When you're having rallies and marches that are based around your perceived "superiority" and telling everyone to treat others as non-human and to abuse and destroy them every chance you get, your public speaking privileges should be revoked.

Now, let's start the slippery slopes, logical fallacies, cries of "You monster!", and how I'm just like Hitler.


Actually at that point, I'm fairly sure we're worse than Hitler.
 
2013-04-21 04:06:28 PM  

skullkrusher: iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.

he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair


*sneark*

/Nice break, made me well sneark
 
2013-04-21 04:08:27 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: 1.) No way to really prove or disprove this. Kind of my point. Evidence is lacking.


Yes, it's proved by the numbers put forth by SPLC and the FBI and other orgs that take care of this

Feral_and_Preposterous: 2.) If these groups are "exploding all over the place" it's weird I have yet to run across one (or even a member).


I have yet to meet a single IRA supporter, I guess they don't exist!

Feral_and_Preposterous: 3.) 50% ain't bad. It ain't good, either.


So,  you're white and.... either blue state or major urban center?
 
2013-04-21 04:09:25 PM  

Tatsuma: ModernPrimitive01: random story but my wife and I went to a Street Dogs show in Atlanta last year where a gang of skinheads showed up that pretty much ruined the show for everyone. It was really terrible especially considering the positive message the band puts out.

A couple of weeks ago, a guy stormed the stage at a Dropkick Murphys show and while on the stage, made a Nazi salute. The lead singer actually stopped singing, dropped his guitar, bumrushed the guy, punched him a few times then kicked him out of the stage, then returned to his mic and yelled 'farking Nazis are NOT welcomed to our shows' before they started playing a new song

That was pretty farking awesome


yeah I saw that and it's great it happened. The Boston punk scene has had to deal with skinheads for too long. I think Mike from the Street Dogs would have done the same thing but most of the stupid sh&t happened during the opening bands. I even went to concert security and pointed it out but they did absolutely nothing. Afterwards I talked with the club's management who told me "we'll look into it"
 
2013-04-21 04:09:45 PM  

albatros183: Well I have no idea what's going on where you are but when there is violence and organizing for violence I tend to oppose that don't care what tats thinks, I agree on virtually nothing with him.
If there are no nazis where you live great for you, your lucky, your probably wrong but if true great!


I live in a small town.  There are most certainly racists, but they are not KKK or ANP, and there have never been any marches here for me to do anything about.

your the one that said they do it all the time, assumed that was an eye witness rather than an internet tough guy response sorry


"They do it all the time" is an internet tough guy response?

I thought it was more of an observation based on years of following the news...but whatever floats your boat, dude.
 
2013-04-21 04:10:33 PM  

hubiestubert: Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?

There aren't any where I live, for one.

Oh, also, what they're doing isn't illegal, no matter how much Tats wishes it were.

In Western Mass, there are a few rallies and marches. And to be honest, they're well attended, and mostly by folks who mock and jeer. Here, they tend to focus on the brown folks and Eastern Europeans, because the black folks are fewer, and more likely to fight back, and the yellow folks are organized. The funny thing, as much as they turn their ire on the Quebecois and Eastern Europeans, and their fellow citizens from Puerto Rico, it only gets folks together to collectively mock them.

Don't get me wrong. In prisons, these white power thugs ARE a power to be reckoned with. Our prison system has done far more to cohese these folks than anything outside those walls, and that carries outside the walls, because a lot of cons have a hard time making it, and the gangs they join inside, and owe when they get out do offer them at least something. If we really want to end these hate groups, than taking a bite out of the for profit prison system is going to go a ways towards that end. Guys who wind up going to jail for pot do some decent time, and when they get there, they are faced with taking the protection of groups, or facing that time alone, and fairly vulnerable. La Eme has grown in power because of our prisons as well. If we were a wise people, we might think a bit before we s ...


Fun fact the first time someone tried to form a KKK chapter in Canada was in Quebec, they where rejected because they were papists :)
 
2013-04-21 04:12:15 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: yeah I saw that and it's great it happened. The Boston punk scene has had to deal with skinheads for too long. I think Mike from the Street Dogs would have done the same thing but most of the stupid sh&t happened during the opening bands. I even went to concert security and pointed it out but they did absolutely nothing. Afterwards I talked with the club's management who told me "we'll look into it"


Meaning 'they paid us and didn't make any troubles, we'll turn a blind eye'. I knew the Boston scene, and that's been the attitude of 95% of club managers. It's a really really pervasive problem.

Still, at least Street Dogs could have covered 'Nazi Punks, Fark Off'. There's not a single band who shouldn't know it by heart and be ready to play it at the drop of a boot to a fascist's face.
 
2013-04-21 04:14:12 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Keizer_Ghidorah: kortex: They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.

Mock26: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?

"Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"

That is the beauty, and ugliness, that is the 1st Amendment.  And so long as they are not inciting death and terror and violence then I will defend with my life their right to say whatever they want.  But, publicly saying that you hate black people or that jewish people are subhuman is not inciting death and terror.

Hey, hate speech is hate speech. I may be seen as the worst monster in the history of ever because I say this, but when it's Obviously Evil it shouldn't be tolerated. When you're having rallies and marches that are based around your perceived "superiority" and telling everyone to treat others as non-human and to abuse and destroy them every chance you get, your public speaking privileges should be revoked.

Now, let's start the slippery slopes, logical fallacies, cries of "You monster!", and how I'm just like Hitler.


Like it or not, hateful speech is protected by the Constitution in this country.  But, hateful speech != hate speech.  And so long as they are not breaking the law then their intolerant speech must be tolerated, legally speaking, of course.  But, toleration is not the same as approval.  Nor does it mean that you cannot speak out against them.  For the record, I hate racists and scum like that.  But, they have rights, and those rights must be upheld.  Also, I agree with you.  If their speech breaks the law in any way, shape, or form (fighting words, inciting violence, slander, libel, etc.) then the full weight of the law should come down on them.

And why would I call you a monster or compare you to Hitler?  I have no beef with you for having an opinion that is different from mine.  With Tatsuma, though, she/he has a long history of being a troll so I have no compunction with letting the invectives fly
 
2013-04-21 04:15:53 PM  

albatros183: Fun fact the first time someone tried to form a KKK chapter in Canada was in Quebec, they where rejected because they were papists :)


Fun fact, an headline on the biggest newspaper in Quebec during WWII was 'No Jews is Too Many' asking to make sure that refugees on MS St-Louis would not be given safe harbor.

They had to turn back and about half of them ended up in the gas chambers.
 
2013-04-21 04:18:37 PM  

MBK: You have the right to say what you want.

I have the right to call you a racist small dicked assbag.  Or ignore you and go have sex with white women.

America is beautiful like that.


Fight racism with racism, huh?
 
2013-04-21 04:18:43 PM  

Tatsuma: ModernPrimitive01: yeah I saw that and it's great it happened. The Boston punk scene has had to deal with skinheads for too long. I think Mike from the Street Dogs would have done the same thing but most of the stupid sh&t happened during the opening bands. I even went to concert security and pointed it out but they did absolutely nothing. Afterwards I talked with the club's management who told me "we'll look into it"

Meaning 'they paid us and didn't make any troubles, we'll turn a blind eye'. I knew the Boston scene, and that's been the attitude of 95% of club managers. It's a really really pervasive problem.

Still, at least Street Dogs could have covered 'Nazi Punks, Fark Off'. There's not a single band who shouldn't know it by heart and be ready to play it at the drop of a boot to a fascist's face.


yeah the skinheads seem to know the security guys so they were all buddy buddy. The worst part was it was an all ages show so they were picking on the kids there but not much I could do if I intervened except get myself and my wife hurt. I did pull a teenage girl to the side and try to get her to call the cops about them being inappropriate with her but she was too scared
 
2013-04-21 04:19:23 PM  
As appalled as I an by the kkk and neo nazi groups' actions and beliefs, this liberal twatwaffle needs to DIAF. I mean really. Go sit in a commune andeat shrooms and smoke some weed ya farking hippie biatch.
 
2013-04-21 04:23:07 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: yeah the skinheads seem to know the security guys so they were all buddy buddy. The worst part was it was an all ages show so they were picking on the kids there but not much I could do if I intervened except get myself and my wife hurt. I did pull a teenage girl to the side and try to get her to call the cops about them being inappropriate with her but she was too scared


She can't really be blamed for that, a bunch of skinheads as a pack can be pretty scary, especially when they are buddy with the security at a show and almost no one will do anything

Good on you for standing up though
 
2013-04-21 04:23:10 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: Fun fact the first time someone tried to form a KKK chapter in Canada was in Quebec, they where rejected because they were papists :)

Fun fact, an headline on the biggest newspaper in Quebec during WWII was 'No Jews is Too Many' asking to make sure that refugees on MS St-Louis would not be given safe harbor.

They had to turn back and about half of them ended up in the gas chambers.


Wait, what?  Jews were persecuted during WWII??

Why haven't I been told about this??
 
2013-04-21 04:28:01 PM  

Weaver95: To be fair, I think the cops just hate protests in general. It's a volatile situation, people are yelling at them and the cops know they are being filmed the whole time. They have to put up with whiny people on both sides of the fee speech zones and can't smash anyone's face in while trying to keep it orderly.

So I don't think that cop hates gays or loves the kkk. I think the cop probably wanted to throw ALL of them into a jail cell and get back to drinking coffee and eating doughnuts.


Cops. They're just like you and me.
 
2013-04-21 04:28:03 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

As far as I can tell, the only "incitements to violence" are coming from the people suggesting that physically assaulting the Nazi/KKK people is the appropriate response.


that appears to be the only thing they understand, thats how they conduct business

Ever try to pay your mortgage with promises and good intentions?
 
2013-04-21 04:28:49 PM  
ModernPrimitive01:

yeah the skinheads seem to know the security guys so they were all buddy buddy. The worst part was it was an all ages show so they were picking on the kids there but not much I could do if I intervened except get myself and my wife hurt. I did pull a teenage girl to the side and try to get her to call the cops about them being inappropriate with her but she was too scared

You know, you could have called the cops yourself.
 
2013-04-21 04:29:52 PM  
The article reads like something out of a college newspaper.
 
2013-04-21 04:31:06 PM  
So just round 'em up and have a lynch-party already.  It's a Southern tradition, after all.
 
2013-04-21 04:33:58 PM  

Mock26: ModernPrimitive01:

yeah the skinheads seem to know the security guys so they were all buddy buddy. The worst part was it was an all ages show so they were picking on the kids there but not much I could do if I intervened except get myself and my wife hurt. I did pull a teenage girl to the side and try to get her to call the cops about them being inappropriate with her but she was too scared

You know, you could have called the cops yourself.


wouldn't have mattered without one of the kids coming forward themselves. I call the cops, tell them I saw them grab the girl, she refuses to corroborate, at best I get kicked out of the club, at worst they let me and my wife stay in a room full of a dozen pissed off skinheads
 
2013-04-21 04:34:49 PM  

redsquid: thamike: redsquid: thamike: redsquid: Nazis and fascists suck, but Patch is the Wikipedia of journalism.

Yet another person who doesn't know how Wikipedia works.  It's astonishing, really.

I know if I cite it as a source I'll be laughed out of the room. Anything else I need to know about it?

Yeah, how it works, for one.

Look- I don't know how the Charlie Brown Cyclopedia is put together either, but if it doesn't serve my purposes for research, i don't need to.


You do need to if you want to be able to bash it properly.  Remember in elementary school, how you couldn't cite the Encyclopedia in your bibliography?  Same thing for Wikipedia, now.  Nobody cites Wikipedia, they use it as a portal to sources.  The entries serve as condensed summary of the sources cited.  The veracity is based on the sources.

/I only give out one freebie per moron.
 
2013-04-21 04:34:53 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: Fun fact the first time someone tried to form a KKK chapter in Canada was in Quebec, they where rejected because they were papists :)

Fun fact, an headline on the biggest newspaper in Quebec during WWII was 'No Jews is Too Many' asking to make sure that refugees on MS St-Louis would not be given safe harbor.

They had to turn back and about half of them ended up in the gas chambers.


wanna one up ?

fun fact the first actual chapter of the KKK was in my dads home town in BC.

/think maybe my grandfather was a member but not certain
//also pretty much everyone sucked in the taking in refugees department, people hate jews, it is the reason we gave them a homeland in THE MOST CONTENTIOUS area of the world.
///really should have just given them 20000 sq/mil of the sudan, no one would have noticed and they'd still be doing a lot of De-salination.
 
2013-04-21 04:37:11 PM  
This is impressive. Tatsuna has made this thread about him in no time flat.
 
2013-04-21 04:39:54 PM  

albatros183: //also pretty much everyone sucked in the taking in refugees department, people hate jews, it is the reason we gave them a homeland in THE MOST CONTENTIOUS area of the world.


lolwut
 
2013-04-21 04:39:56 PM  

hardinparamedic: This is impressive. Tatsuna has made this thread about him in no time flat.


he's still better than skinnyhead(who I have seen many people respond to) or silly jesus( also many people responding to)

meh

3/10
 
2013-04-21 04:40:45 PM  
In case nobody already said it:

Were they able to walk out?
 
2013-04-21 04:41:58 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.


you don't get to shut down the first amendment just because you don't like what someone says.  For my part, I prefer to see the Klan and the Nazis organizing marches and out in public.  that way I know exactly where they are and what they're doing.  loud and in public means they're not prepping to blow something up or murder their enemies.  As a bonus, we get a free show and get to rip 'em apart online, in youtube videos, blogs and twitter commentary.

But shutting down political speech just because you don't like it?  that makes you no different from the people you claim to hate.
 
2013-04-21 04:42:41 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Mock26: ModernPrimitive01:

yeah the skinheads seem to know the security guys so they were all buddy buddy. The worst part was it was an all ages show so they were picking on the kids there but not much I could do if I intervened except get myself and my wife hurt. I did pull a teenage girl to the side and try to get her to call the cops about them being inappropriate with her but she was too scared

You know, you could have called the cops yourself.

wouldn't have mattered without one of the kids coming forward themselves. I call the cops, tell them I saw them grab the girl, she refuses to corroborate, at best I get kicked out of the club, at worst they let me and my wife stay in a room full of a dozen pissed off skinheads



img.photobucket.com

Or just maybe, in the presence of the police, she has the courage to stand up against the skinheads.
 
2013-04-21 04:44:21 PM  
Ah, the ole free speech versus hate speech debate. I'm still conflicted on this one. I'm from Canada, eh. We are one of a handful of countries that distinguish between hate speech and free speech to the point of making the former illegal. It's illegal here to "incite hatred" or "advocate genocide" towards an identifiable group but the law makes exceptions for "matters of truth", "religious doctrine" and "subjects of popular debate". What is boils down to in practical terms is it makes it much harder for Neo-Nazis and KKKesque White Power groups to set up websites dedicated to disseminating their message and, of course, recruiting new members and seeking financial support. That part I like as I see no value in giving these haters a platform or any societal legitimacy.

That carefully noted, I see value as well in letting these throwbacks spew their tripe like the IRL trolls they are and then getting pointed at and laughed at unmercifully by the non derpy portions of the populace. I also see the slippery slope where "hate crime" becomes "thought crime" and I don't much like that.

Fun Fact: In 2006 based on their hate crimes law the government of Brazil cracked down on a bunch of hate related websites forcing them to shut down. For about 5 minutes. Many of them promptly resurfaced registered under US domains where they remain untouched because 1st Amendment.

So there's that.

Anyways, like I said, conflicted.
 
2013-04-21 04:44:34 PM  
they're just misunderstood Skynyrd fans
 
2013-04-21 04:45:38 PM  

ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.


Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."
 
2013-04-21 04:47:16 PM  

Hobodeluxe: they're just misunderstood Skynyrd fans


Heritage, not hate.
 
2013-04-21 04:49:50 PM  

theotherles: ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.

Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."


Of course the Klan and the Nazis aren't the only idiots out there.

"We must teach our children to hate. Hatred is the basis of communism."

-- V.I. Lenin, 1923
 
2013-04-21 04:50:01 PM  

Hobodeluxe: they're just misunderstood Skynyrd fans


Well, now they know how Skynyrd feels about them.
 
2013-04-21 04:56:25 PM  

Weaver95: Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.

you don't get to shut down the first amendment just because you don't like what someone says.  For my part, I prefer to see the Klan and the Nazis organizing marches and out in public.  that way I know exactly where they are and what they're doing.  loud and in public means they're not prepping to blow something up or murder their enemies.  As a bonus, we get a free show and get to rip 'em apart online, in youtube videos, blogs and twitter commentary.

But shutting down political speech just because you don't like it?  that makes you no different from the people you claim to hate.


Sorry might have accidentally mark this as funny, which it is not.

when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

they came for X but I was not X is a lesson.
they haven't been much out in public since the 90s and I know your old enough to remember, but look at what happened to your political system, who do you think the tea party is.

Defending yourself is not wrong and to equate defending yourself against fascists with fascists is wrong.
 
2013-04-21 04:57:05 PM  

theotherles: theotherles: ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.

Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."

Of course the Klan and the Nazis aren't the only idiots out there.

"We must teach our children to hate. Hatred is the basis of communism."

-- V.I. Lenin, 1923


Where did Lenin say that?
 
2013-04-21 05:00:47 PM  

Tatsuma: Feral_and_Preposterous: 1.) No way to really prove or disprove this. Kind of my point. Evidence is lacking.

Yes, it's proved by the numbers put forth by SPLC and the FBI and other orgs that take care of this

Feral_and_Preposterous: 2.) If these groups are "exploding all over the place" it's weird I have yet to run across one (or even a member).

I have yet to meet a single IRA supporter, I guess they don't exist!

Feral_and_Preposterous: 3.) 50% ain't bad. It ain't good, either.

So,  you're white and.... either blue state or major urban center?


Wow. You're smart.

None of those groups you mentioned ever exaggerated anything, my bad. I forgot you can't manipulate statistics.

I never said they didn't exist, I was merely replying to your contention that the groups are "exploding all over the place". I've sent time in 4 southern states in the last 5 years. Only one time have I run across anyone who I susected to be a member of such a group--guy was a tweeker who just got out of jail--easily identifiable as a racist dickbag because of his "88" tat. I am white. My family is mostly middle and upper class. My job brings me into regular contact with lower and middle class whites. Many of the people you would think are racist hicks by listening to them talk about NASCAR have black friends because of work or school or whatever.

Also, if you'd pay attention you'd realize that I never said we didn't have a problem anymore. I said the problem is being churched up so fine, upstanding citizens can embrace it in a guise that isn't so overtly ugly as racism.

p.s. Love your little tangerines. Keep up the good work.
 
2013-04-21 05:02:46 PM  

thamike: theotherles: theotherles: ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.

Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."

Of course the Klan and the Nazis aren't the only idiots out there.

"We must teach our children to hate. Hatred is the basis of communism."

-- V.I. Lenin, 1923

Where did Lenin say that?



Just google it.  He frequently says it right-wing blogs.

Elsewhere, not so much
 
2013-04-21 05:02:52 PM  

albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.


if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.
 
2013-04-21 05:09:18 PM  

theotherles: theotherles: ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.

Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."

Of course the Klan and the Nazis aren't the only idiots out there.

"We must teach our children to hate. Hatred is the basis of communism."

-- V.I. Lenin, 1923

Joseph Stalin, uncredited

FTFY
 
2013-04-21 05:10:47 PM  

Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them


Sorta like this eh tatswww.thetimes.co.uk

As for the fascist twats, someone should have driven a hummer through their silly little protest. Farking scum
 
2013-04-21 05:12:14 PM  

Mock26: Like it or not, hateful speech is protected by the Constitution in this country. But, hateful speech != hate speech. And so long as they are not breaking the law then their intolerant speech must be tolerated, legally speaking, of course. But, toleration is not the same as approval. Nor does it mean that you cannot speak out against them. For the record, I hate racists and scum like that. But, they have rights, and those rights must be upheld. Also, I agree with you. If their speech breaks the law in any way, shape, or form (fighting words, inciting violence, slander, libel, etc.) then the full weight of the law should come down on them.

And why would I call you a monster or compare you to Hitler? I have no beef with you for having an opinion that is different from mine. With Tatsuma, though, she/he has a long history of being a troll so I have no compunction with letting the invectives fly


Considering how people tend to react when it comes to the Bill of Rights, I was covering my bases.

I just don't believe that we need to accept absolutely everything on the basis of "fairness". These people have spend more than a century being backwards un-evolved jackanapes, it's time to either drag them into the modern age or clean them up like the stains they are. They should be stopped from swaying others to their evil and from indoctrinating their children to be evil. I'm all for freedom of speech, but perverting it like this shouldn't be tolerated.
 
2013-04-21 05:13:02 PM  

Weaver95: albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.


But they might hurt his feelings!!
 
2013-04-21 05:13:32 PM  
Tatsuma: albatros183: Fun fact the first time someone tried to form a KKK chapter in Canada was in Quebec, they where rejected because they were papists :)

Fun fact, an headline on the biggest newspaper in Quebec during WWII was 'No Jews is Too Many' asking to make sure that refugees on MS St-Louis would not be given safe harbor.

They had to turn back and about half of them ended up in the gas chambers.


To be fair Canada only rejected the MS St-Louis and it's Jewish refugees after it had first been refused entry into Cuba and the US and by most accounts about 25% of them ended up in the gas chambers not 50% but other than that? Yeah, fun facts *are* fun. The "None is too many" headline was a quote from an unnamed immigration official asked by the paper how many Jewish refugees would be allowed into Canada.

Sadly,Canada was a pretty racist country at that time, we even had internment camps for Canadians of Japanese descent like the US did. Even after WWII ended and the full horrors of the holocaust were revealed Germans still had an easier time immigrating to Canada than Jews.

Shameful days that we do well to remember.

But what is the best way to avoid a repeat? Free speech or hate speech laws?
 
2013-04-21 05:15:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.

But they might hurt his feelings!!


so go home and have angry sex with your girlfriend.  don't shred the Bill of Rights just because you feel insecure.
 
2013-04-21 05:23:09 PM  

Weaver95: albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.


Look it's your funeral, has the AZ sheriff been prosecuted?
has anyone?

not since the 90's

I don't live there IT IS UP TO YOU.
When it comes north as always I will react as appropriate(we're always 10 yrs behind(rule of thumb))

I won't go into things I don't actually think are in your control but Nazis organizing where you live, yep that is in your control, or at least in your sphere of influence.

what you do is up to you.
 
2013-04-21 05:25:55 PM  
albatros183:

what you do is up to you.

then I'd let them say whatever asinine things come to mind, and prosecute them if they commit violence.  but just talking?  meh.  talk all you want.
 
2013-04-21 05:26:28 PM  

Tatsuma: Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.

No, you know who has a right to do this? Any group that does not openly incite violence against others. Once you cross the line and your whole ideology is based around killing others and advocating so, you lose the right to openly hold marches while everyone ignores your stupid ideas.


That's the stupidest thing I've ever farking read and I've read alot of the internet.
 
2013-04-21 05:28:32 PM  

Rockstone: Tatsuma: Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.

No, you know who has a right to do this? Any group that does not openly incite violence against others. Once you cross the line and your whole ideology is based around killing others and advocating so, you lose the right to openly hold marches while everyone ignores your stupid ideas.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever farking read and I've read alot of the internet.


Yeah, call me crazy, but I think I'm sticking to the Supreme Court's decisions regarding this issue.
 
2013-04-21 05:28:34 PM  
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As much as I hate racists (and as much as they hate me- considering I'm Catholic with Jewish Ancestry), freedom of speech trumps my feelings about them.
 
2013-04-21 05:28:43 PM  
So no reply to my last post, eh Tats? What a farking pussy. Stand by your words or shut the fark up.
 
2013-04-21 05:29:39 PM  

Tatsuma: Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.

No, you know who has a right to do this? Any group that does not openly incite violence against others. Once you cross the line and your whole ideology is based around killing others and advocating so, you lose the right to openly hold marches while everyone ignores your stupid ideas.


so is that your view, or how they run things in Israel?  i'm legitimately curious....
 
2013-04-21 05:34:21 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.

See the above post for an example a real incitement to violence


I just feel that if there is a group of people willing to go out in the streets and threaten people who have done nothing to them with violence, then they should taste the full force of what they themselves preach.  It's like spitting or pissing into the wind...maybe next time you wont spit/piss in public.  If every time these farktards advocated beating down people who are brown, they themselves were beaten down, it would sure put a quick end to their little tard-parties.
 
2013-04-21 05:37:43 PM  

Weaver95: albatros183:

what you do is up to you.

then I'd let them say whatever asinine things come to mind, and prosecute them if they commit violence.  but just talking?  meh.  talk all you want.


not to godwin but he caused all of that carnage  by talking.
and talking is politics ->power

you think the Communist manifesto would have been a big deal if it didn't threaten power?

"...then I'd let them say whatever asinine things come to mind..."

Like bush?
like the contra's?

be at least a little bit consistent
real violence happens to real people, you would send them to gitmo for their defense of themselves
 
2013-04-21 05:38:58 PM  

Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.

But they might hurt his feelings!!

so go home and have angry sex with your girlfriend.  don't shred the Bill of Rights just because you feel insecure.


Aren't you vocally anti-2nd amendment?
 
2013-04-21 05:48:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.

But they might hurt his feelings!!

so go home and have angry sex with your girlfriend.  don't shred the Bill of Rights just because you feel insecure.

Aren't you vocally anti-2nd amendment?


no, I just despise the NRA and their tactics.  wanna own a gun, have at it.  kill someone with it, we're gonna have a problem tho.
 
2013-04-21 05:50:20 PM  

SubBass49: If every time these farktards advocated beating down people who are brown, they themselves were beaten down, it would sure put a quick end to their little tard-parties.


No it wouldn't.  It would drive them underground and they would have to find other ways of "fighting ZOG" or whatever the fark it is they think they do.

I have no doubt several would stop dressing like skinheads, put away the robes and start dressing like "normal" people, then gather with their buddies to build bombs and discuss targets.

Let the farkers talk.
 
2013-04-21 05:52:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SubBass49: If every time these farktards advocated beating down people who are brown, they themselves were beaten down, it would sure put a quick end to their little tard-parties.

No it wouldn't.  It would drive them underground and they would have to find other ways of "fighting ZOG" or whatever the fark it is they think they do.

I have no doubt several would stop dressing like skinheads, put away the robes and start dressing like "normal" people, then gather with their buddies to build bombs and discuss targets.

Let the farkers talk.


You don't think they already do this?
 
2013-04-21 05:52:16 PM  

Tatsuma: Three Crooked Squirrels: There right to do this, if they applied for the proper permits, etc., is well established. See Skokie. Now it is up to us to ignore them.

No, you know who has a right to do this? Any group that does not openly incite violence against others. Once you cross the line and your whole ideology is based around killing others and advocating so, you lose the right to openly hold marches while everyone ignores your stupid ideas.



I thought you lived in America?

I'm pretty sure nazis got their rights too.

/I hate Illinois nazis
 
2013-04-21 05:56:51 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: albatros183: when people organize and deliberately target people that have no power(here it's been blacks and gypsies) and they not only advocate but carry out violence towards those people, I should stay silent?, your not silent on republicans. When they start to take their second amendment solutions will you stay silent?.

if they commit violence then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.  if they just TALK, then leave them alone and let 'em talk.

But they might hurt his feelings!!

so go home and have angry sex with your girlfriend.  don't shred the Bill of Rights just because you feel insecure.

Aren't you vocally anti-2nd amendment?


He's just anti-Israel which I get but he's still wrong.

for me it boils down to this

1)Jews have been hated and murdered for hundreds of years.
2)The nazis mechanized this and pretty much murdered almost every jew in Europe
3)Jews need a place that they can have their own army and protect themselves
4)Israel is not the right place.

If you support the IRA, or Scot's independence, you must support both Israel AND Palestine.
People must be free from threat, or you cannot have any kind of civilization and what is there?
failure on all fronts, protecting neither Jew nor Palestinian.

Say what you want by Isrealies are also dying and it is disproportionate.

Two oppressed people have been made to compete for the same land

Who do I blame..
 
2013-04-21 05:57:38 PM  

SubBass49: Lionel Mandrake: SubBass49: If every time these farktards advocated beating down people who are brown, they themselves were beaten down, it would sure put a quick end to their little tard-parties.

No it wouldn't.  It would drive them underground and they would have to find other ways of "fighting ZOG" or whatever the fark it is they think they do.

I have no doubt several would stop dressing like skinheads, put away the robes and start dressing like "normal" people, then gather with their buddies to build bombs and discuss targets.

Let the farkers talk.

You don't think they already do this?


You don't think pissing them off more would have consequences?

Generally, people who are allowed to vent their frustrations are less dangerous than those who bottle them up.
 
2013-04-21 06:00:42 PM  

albatros183: Two oppressed people have been made to compete for the same land


"made?"

How so and by whom?
 
2013-04-21 06:06:27 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SubBass49: Lionel Mandrake: SubBass49: If every time these farktards advocated beating down people who are brown, they themselves were beaten down, it would sure put a quick end to their little tard-parties.

No it wouldn't.  It would drive them underground and they would have to find other ways of "fighting ZOG" or whatever the fark it is they think they do.

I have no doubt several would stop dressing like skinheads, put away the robes and start dressing like "normal" people, then gather with their buddies to build bombs and discuss targets.

Let the farkers talk.

You don't think they already do this?

You don't think pissing them off more would have consequences?

Generally, people who are allowed to vent their frustrations are less dangerous than those who bottle them up.


Their "frustrations" are the existence of people with skin darker than theirs.  Venting doesn't move them closer to their goal of ridding the planet of such people.  Regardless, these rallies aren't venting exercises, they're recruiting & advertising.
 
2013-04-21 06:06:42 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Two oppressed people have been made to compete for the same land

"made?"

How so and by whom?


Their respective imaginary sky wizards? Religious folks are like Furries or Homeopaths- I'll tolerate your derp as long as it doesn't impact real life.

Also notice how one religious extremist thread jacked this whole discussion to be about jews?
 
2013-04-21 06:06:56 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Like it or not, hateful speech is protected by the Constitution in this country. But, hateful speech != hate speech. And so long as they are not breaking the law then their intolerant speech must be tolerated, legally speaking, of course. But, toleration is not the same as approval. Nor does it mean that you cannot speak out against them. For the record, I hate racists and scum like that. But, they have rights, and those rights must be upheld. Also, I agree with you. If their speech breaks the law in any way, shape, or form (fighting words, inciting violence, slander, libel, etc.) then the full weight of the law should come down on them.

And why would I call you a monster or compare you to Hitler? I have no beef with you for having an opinion that is different from mine. With Tatsuma, though, she/he has a long history of being a troll so I have no compunction with letting the invectives fly

Considering how people tend to react when it comes to the Bill of Rights, I was covering my bases.

I just don't believe that we need to accept absolutely everything on the basis of "fairness". These people have spend more than a century being backwards un-evolved jackanapes, it's time to either drag them into the modern age or clean them up like the stains they are. They should be stopped from swaying others to their evil and from indoctrinating their children to be evil. I'm all for freedom of speech, but perverting it like this shouldn't be tolerated.


Where do you draw the line?  And who gets to draw it?  That is my problem with the restriction of free speech.  And once you draw that line what is the guarantee that it will stay where it is drawn?   I would much rather live in a society where someone can stand on a street corner and say, "Purple people are subhuman scum of the earth" than one where Group A can declare something offensive and it then becomes illegal to say something.
 
2013-04-21 06:07:21 PM  

Tatsuma: Keizer_Ghidorah: "Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"

Exactly. I really wish you could associate faces with posts, because I really think that the idea of 'White Privilege' would really come to life in this thread. I get the feeling that 95% of those saying they have a right to free speech and do what they are doing and should just be ignored are white men.

/Other 5% white women.

Rodeodoc: I've said it before and I'll say it again:  The greatest threat to America comes not from terrorists or other who wish her harm.  It comes from within; it comes from those who are charged with the obligation to protect our rights and freedoms.

Nazis are not the real enemy, guys, the GOVERNMENT is!

/go back to celebrating 4:20



You are being a colossal douche today...
 
2013-04-21 06:08:47 PM  
Relevant:
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. - H.L. Mencken

If for no other reason, sheer self-interest tells us to refrain from censoring even the most vitriolic of demagogues because we despise the words they use. Any infringement upon their rights will invariably be used as a precedent for infringing upon the rights of others- including us.

Better than censorship is the power of public mockery. If the hate-mongers among us wish to exercise their Constitutionally-guaranteed rights of free speech and free assembly, they will have to endure the free speech of those who find their ideas and world view despicable. If they can't abide people making fun of their ideas, perhaps they shouldn't have ideas so easily mocked.

"... that laughter is the Gods' best gift,
 so to the Gods our laughter lift.
Aye, thought their wrath the Heavens split,
they grant us Scorn, to laugh at it."

- Robert Service
 
2013-04-21 06:09:00 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Two oppressed people have been made to compete for the same land

"made?"

How so and by whom?


really?

OK

The english, the spanish, the dutch, maybe you missed serfdom and slavery

but whetever
 
2013-04-21 06:13:29 PM  

thamike: theotherles: theotherles: ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.

Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."

Of course the Klan and the Nazis aren't the only idiots out there.

"We must teach our children to hate. Hatred is the basis of communism."

-- V.I. Lenin, 1923

Where did Lenin say that?


Right after he wrote "I am the Walrus".
 
2013-04-21 06:13:57 PM  

redsquid: Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Two oppressed people have been made to compete for the same land

"made?"

How so and by whom?

Their respective imaginary sky wizards? Religious folks are like Furries or Homeopaths- I'll tolerate your derp as long as it doesn't impact real life.

Also notice how one religious extremist thread jacked this whole discussion to be about jews?


talking about Jews? In a thread about Nazis and the KKK??! Now I've seen it all.
 
2013-04-21 06:17:40 PM  

Mock26: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Like it or not, hateful speech is protected by the Constitution in this country. But, hateful speech != hate speech. And so long as they are not breaking the law then their intolerant speech must be tolerated, legally speaking, of course. But, toleration is not the same as approval. Nor does it mean that you cannot speak out against them. For the record, I hate racists and scum like that. But, they have rights, and those rights must be upheld. Also, I agree with you. If their speech breaks the law in any way, shape, or form (fighting words, inciting violence, slander, libel, etc.) then the full weight of the law should come down on them.

And why would I call you a monster or compare you to Hitler? I have no beef with you for having an opinion that is different from mine. With Tatsuma, though, she/he has a long history of being a troll so I have no compunction with letting the invectives fly

Considering how people tend to react when it comes to the Bill of Rights, I was covering my bases.

I just don't believe that we need to accept absolutely everything on the basis of "fairness". These people have spend more than a century being backwards un-evolved jackanapes, it's time to either drag them into the modern age or clean them up like the stains they are. They should be stopped from swaying others to their evil and from indoctrinating their children to be evil. I'm all for freedom of speech, but perverting it like this shouldn't be tolerated.

Where do you draw the line?  And who gets to draw it?  That is my problem with the restriction of free speech.  And once you draw that line what is the guarantee that it will stay where it is drawn?   I would much rather live in a society where someone can stand on a street corner and say, "Purple people are subhuman scum of the earth" than one where Group A can declare something offensive and it then becomes illegal to say something.


If it's as cartoony evil as what they're doing, then it should be stopped. These people want the destruction and genocide of all non-whites, it's no secret and they've already tried to fulfill it before. Tolerating them is inexcusable.

Anyone who demands that it be applied to lesser things gets slapped in the face with a carp.
 
2013-04-21 06:19:52 PM  

iheartscotch: thamike: theotherles: theotherles: ManRay: From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
[24.media.tumblr.com image 394x591]

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.

Wait till the kid grows up.

"Dad, you're an idiot."

Of course the Klan and the Nazis aren't the only idiots out there.

"We must teach our children to hate. Hatred is the basis of communism."

-- V.I. Lenin, 1923

Where did Lenin say that?

Right after he wrote "I am the Walrus".


that was yoko

/or johnny klegg
 
2013-04-21 06:27:27 PM  

albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Two oppressed people have been made to compete for the same land

"made?"

How so and by whom?

really?

OK

The english, the spanish, the dutch, maybe you missed serfdom and slavery

but whetever


Silly me.  I was led to understand that Israel was the one and only place in the world that the Jews wanted to go.  I was even told that they had spent generations immigrating to the region to establish a Jewish majority (this started long before WWII).  I was even told that Jewish terrorists attacked British soldiers when the UK "administered" took the land after WWI

But you say they were MADE to go to Israel?

Good Lord I wasted a lot of time studying history in grad school.
 
2013-04-21 06:32:43 PM  

Mister Peejay: EkimProx:

At least Fark got a mention on that LGBTBBQ woman's sign

I went to a LGBTBBQ once, but all they had on the grill was sausage.


Hahahah
 
2013-04-21 06:41:24 PM  
Wow, this made Fark?  I was out there yesterday.

i37.tinypic.com


From what we could tell, no one was local.  The NSM group was from Detroit and they all seemed to be driving (foreign) cars with out of state plates.  They had a megaphone and ranted for an hour and it was noisy but I never heard them advocate actual violence.  Just a lot about all immigrants wanting to murder us, chanting and white power salutes.

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2013-04-21 07:09:16 PM  

Savage Belief: As appalled as I an by the kkk and neo nazi groups' actions and beliefs, this liberal twatwaffle needs to DIAF. I mean really. Go sit in a commune andeat shrooms and smoke some weed ya farking hippie biatch.


The writer is from a generic sprawling suburb of Atlanta. Those areas tend to be so red that even people in Utah ask them to tone it down a bit. While he might truly believe what he's writing, I'm going to guess that he's really engaging in hyperbole to mock liberal viewpoints. Or maybe living out there has simply driven him insane.
 
2013-04-21 07:11:22 PM  
They look like total CLOWNS in those white hoods and robes. I'm sure it used to instill fear, but now it just looks ridiculous. Get with the times and update your costumes, boys.
 
2013-04-21 07:47:04 PM  

raatz01: They look like total CLOWNS in those white hoods and robes. I'm sure it used to instill fear, but now it just looks ridiculous. Get with the times and update your costumes, boys.


Less about fear, than trying to hide their faces so that folks might not recognize their grocer or the foreman at the mill...

As a bouncer, I found that skinheads were awful brave in a group, especially brave when they outnumbered folks, but one on one, they were sometimes a might less...rambunctious...
 
2013-04-21 07:59:15 PM  

hubiestubert: Less about fear, than trying to hide their faces so that folks might not recognize their grocer or the foreman at the mill...

As a bouncer, I found that skinheads were awful brave in a group, especially brave when they outnumbered folks, but one on one, they were sometimes a might less...rambunctious...


One day we went (ARA) to a counter-protest. About 30 skins and 250 of us (SHARP and others as well). They were well protected behind coppers, a lot of them non-whites of course.

Two guys got a huge banner out that says 'For guys who protest against the ZOG you sure love police protection, you pussies' or something similar.

It drove them farking wild. Safely from behind police lines, of course.
 
2013-04-21 08:01:41 PM  

FloydA: Unfortunately, many anti-racists still haven't learned the important lesson that mockery is a better weapon than anger. Those racist s**tstains thrive on anger, but they wither under mockery every time.


This is a very important point. While many people are likely sympathetic to the desire to respond to such ugly views with anger and/or violence, they don't realize that such a response will only strengthen the resolve of those who hold these views. It's important keep in mind that many of these far-right groups approach their beliefs in a similar manner to those of religious fundamentalists both in the absolutism of their views and that they view their movements as a form of purity fighting against a corrupt world. When counter-protestors respond with hostility, they view this as a moral victory and as evidence that reinforces their beliefs. I recommend checking out the documentary Blood in the Face: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101479/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1, which is mostly footage of members of these movements explaining their view of the world. While released in 1991, it's a little disturbing how some of the ideas mentioned in the film have more recently shown up amongst the tea party groups.

Back to the point of counter protests, if you want to discourage these people, either ignore them or don't let them think that you are taking them seriously. Instead of shouting angrily at them, try something like acting out scenes from The Producers or The Great Dictator.
 
2013-04-21 08:34:08 PM  
Some of those guys have class 3 hardware.
I might could pretend to care enough to hate people if I got to play with their toys.
/just play sick on rally days
 
2013-04-21 08:40:03 PM  
They hate the jews.
 
2013-04-21 09:17:59 PM  
Violence is always the answer.  It never creates a vicious cycle at all.
 
2013-04-21 09:24:41 PM  

RanDomino: Elegy
group that is peacefully marching in broad daylight.

What peaceful marching in broad daylight might look like:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x532]

You have the right to BE a fascist or racial supremacist. You don't have the right to ORGANIZE toward fascism or racial supremacy.


Jesus, are you retarded?
 
2013-04-21 09:54:03 PM  
I live in Atlanta and this is the first I've heard of the march.

Good job marketing there Nazis!

No, seriously--I didn't hear about it and no one else heard about their puny little march either--probably due to my brothers in the Jewish Conspiracy,

Yes, we control the media.  We also control the banks and Hollywood.  Oh and the courts.    It's a pretty good gig.  Now mind you, I'm not very religious, and not a regular temple-goer (the High Holidays, maybe Purim, and that's about it), so I'm not involved in any sort of decison-making or anything like that in the Conspiracy.  But I got the proper pedigree, so every month, first week, like clockwork--I get my check from the spoils.  It's only $78 and change, but hey!  It's still $78 dollars we didn't have, right?  We usually take the family out to a nice dinner with it.  So that's nice.
 
2013-04-21 10:18:59 PM  

BravadoGT: I live in Atlanta and this is the first I've heard of the march.

Good job marketing there Nazis!

No, seriously--I didn't hear about it and no one else heard about their puny little march either--probably due to my brothers in the Jewish Conspiracy,

Yes, we control the media.  We also control the banks and Hollywood.  Oh and the courts.    It's a pretty good gig.  Now mind you, I'm not very religious, and not a regular temple-goer (the High Holidays, maybe Purim, and that's about it), so I'm not involved in any sort of decison-making or anything like that in the Conspiracy.  But I got the proper pedigree, so every month, first week, like clockwork--I get my check from the spoils.  It's only $78 and change, but hey!  It's still $78 dollars we didn't have, right?  We usually take the family out to a nice dinner with it.  So that's nice.


Let me guess- Chinese?
 
2013-04-21 10:36:46 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: I have a problem with your religion, I have a problem with religion we have a problem that way.

You'll also find that, while I might be a religious person, I will never try to force you in any way whatsoever to conform to my rules and norms, all I ask for is the right to privately live my life the way I want it.

So I really don't think we have a problem there either.


Haha, get it in an Israeli/Palestinian thread and you will see how non-confrontational he/she/it is.
 
2013-04-21 10:42:33 PM  

CaptainFatass: Tatsuma: albatros183: I have a problem with your religion, I have a problem with religion we have a problem that way.

You'll also find that, while I might be a religious person, I will never try to force you in any way whatsoever to conform to my rules and norms, all I ask for is the right to privately live my life the way I want it.

So I really don't think we have a problem there either.

Haha, get it in an Israeli/Palestinian thread and you will see how non-confrontational he/she/it is.


Yeah.  If anyone ever dares to say anything in defense of a Palestinian state or dares mention any Israeli human rights violation and tats starts foaming at the mouth! Quite humorous.  Of course, make any rational point and tats will put you on ignore. Quite pathetic.
 
2013-04-21 10:50:04 PM  
Oh, Please.  That happens every year.  It is great theater to go down and see the tactics the anti-Klan folks come up with to piss them off.
 
2013-04-21 10:53:55 PM  

BravadoGT: I live in Atlanta and this is the first I've heard of the march.

Good job marketing there Nazis!

No, seriously--I didn't hear about it and no one else heard about their puny little march either--probably due to my brothers in the Jewish Conspiracy,

Yes, we control the media.  We also control the banks and Hollywood.  Oh and the courts.    It's a pretty good gig.  Now mind you, I'm not very religious, and not a regular temple-goer (the High Holidays, maybe Purim, and that's about it), so I'm not involved in any sort of decison-making or anything like that in the Conspiracy.  But I got the proper pedigree, so every month, first week, like clockwork--I get my check from the spoils.  It's only $78 and change, but hey!  It's still $78 dollars we didn't have, right?  We usually take the family out to a nice dinner with it.  So that's nice.


The march is usually held April 26 (Confederate Memorial Day) and ends on the steps of the Capitol

It was better when Hosea Williams was alive.  That man was a GENIUS at coming up with ways to needle the speakers.

The rules of the game are simple.  The Klan guys reserve the Capitol Steps and the Protestors go to the Park across the street.  Everyone can speechify and whatnot, just DON"T CROSS THE STREET.  You WILL be arrested if you do.  Everybody gets a say and goes home happy.
 
2013-04-21 10:57:17 PM  
EVERYONE CALM DOWN

ficassets.fichub.com

I'VE GOT THIS


/after 300+, I'm the boobies here?
 
2013-04-21 11:17:11 PM  

BravadoGT: It's only $78 and change,


img687.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-21 11:51:55 PM  
All of you who would suggest we simply ignore the KKK may be well meaning, but you're wrong.

Ignoring evil will not make it go away.  The KKK needs to be countered, needs to see that they're vastly outnumbered, that we know they are evil, and that we will not let them spread their bigotry without resistance.

They're not going to just go away if we ignore them.
 
2013-04-21 11:56:19 PM  
test.axisofweevil.com
 
2013-04-22 01:01:10 AM  
Way late but I just like the fact that an appropriate response to those who disagree with Nazi-associated free speech protections is, "if you don't like it, move to Germany."
 
2013-04-22 06:50:09 AM  

starbuckisagirl: Wow, this made Fark?  I was out there yesterday.

[i37.tinypic.com image 850x478]


From what we could tell, no one was local.  The NSM group was from Detroit and they all seemed to be driving (foreign) cars with out of state plates.  They had a megaphone and ranted for an hour and it was noisy but I never heard them advocate actual violence.  Just a lot about all immigrants wanting to murder us, chanting and white power salutes.

More images
http://i34.tinypic.com/2lxhtw5.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/96kfmu.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/2mp03eg.jpg


That guy in the Obama hat and backpack--I wonder how many times someone asked to look inside there?
 
2013-04-22 08:40:59 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Like it or not, hateful speech is protected by the Constitution in this country. But, hateful speech != hate speech. And so long as they are not breaking the law then their intolerant speech must be tolerated, legally speaking, of course. But, toleration is not the same as approval. Nor does it mean that you cannot speak out against them. For the record, I hate racists and scum like that. But, they have rights, and those rights must be upheld. Also, I agree with you. If their speech breaks the law in any way, shape, or form (fighting words, inciting violence, slander, libel, etc.) then the full weight of the law should come down on them.

And why would I call you a monster or compare you to Hitler? I have no beef with you for having an opinion that is different from mine. With Tatsuma, though, she/he has a long history of being a troll so I have no compunction with letting the invectives fly

Considering how people tend to react when it comes to the Bill of Rights, I was covering my bases.

I just don't believe that we need to accept absolutely everything on the basis of "fairness". These people have spend more than a century being backwards un-evolved jackanapes, it's time to either drag them into the modern age or clean them up like the stains they are. They should be stopped from swaying others to their evil and from indoctrinating their children to be evil. I'm all for freedom of speech, but perverting it like this shouldn't be tolerated.

Where do you draw the line?  And who gets to draw it?  That is my problem with the restriction of free speech.  And once you draw that line what is the guarantee that it will stay where it is drawn?   I would much rather live in a society where someone can stand on a street corner and say, "Purple people are subhuman scum of the earth" than one where Group A can declare something offensive and it then becomes illegal to say something.

If it's as cartoony evil as what they're doing, then it sho ...


You're a dumbass. You probably also think the WBC shouldn't be allowed to protest. Shut up.
 
2013-04-22 09:56:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk [TotalFark]
2013-04-21 11:23:56 AM


I'll bet there were a bunch of rednecks who didn't know which uniform to wear

So they just wore their dnc buttons to honor their founders.
 
2013-04-22 11:47:53 AM  

Rockstone: You're a dumbass. You probably also think the WBC shouldn't be allowed to protest. Shut up.


The WBC is not an organization actively planning genocide and routinely engaging in criminal activities.
 
2013-04-22 12:15:31 PM  
So some southern dems and socialists got together in Atlanta?

Business as usual.
 
2013-04-22 01:02:16 PM  

Rockstone: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Keizer_Ghidorah: Mock26: Like it or not, hateful speech is protected by the Constitution in this country. But, hateful speech != hate speech. And so long as they are not breaking the law then their intolerant speech must be tolerated, legally speaking, of course. But, toleration is not the same as approval. Nor does it mean that you cannot speak out against them. For the record, I hate racists and scum like that. But, they have rights, and those rights must be upheld. Also, I agree with you. If their speech breaks the law in any way, shape, or form (fighting words, inciting violence, slander, libel, etc.) then the full weight of the law should come down on them.

And why would I call you a monster or compare you to Hitler? I have no beef with you for having an opinion that is different from mine. With Tatsuma, though, she/he has a long history of being a troll so I have no compunction with letting the invectives fly

Considering how people tend to react when it comes to the Bill of Rights, I was covering my bases.

I just don't believe that we need to accept absolutely everything on the basis of "fairness". These people have spend more than a century being backwards un-evolved jackanapes, it's time to either drag them into the modern age or clean them up like the stains they are. They should be stopped from swaying others to their evil and from indoctrinating their children to be evil. I'm all for freedom of speech, but perverting it like this shouldn't be tolerated.

Where do you draw the line?  And who gets to draw it?  That is my problem with the restriction of free speech.  And once you draw that line what is the guarantee that it will stay where it is drawn?   I would much rather live in a society where someone can stand on a street corner and say, "Purple people are subhuman scum of the earth" than one where Group A can declare something offensive and it then becomes illegal to say something.

If it's as cartoony evil as what they're d ...


Hey, if God's not gonna do it, we mortals will. For a being that's supposed to be all-powerful, all-loving, and all-everything else, he doesn't do jack-shiat about his followers using his name and words to promote evil and fear and hate. And don't give me that "mysterious ways" garbage, Old Testament God would have burned the WBC and its members into dust for defiling his name.
 
2013-04-22 07:07:32 PM  

Tatsuma: SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.

Yup. And just because they can shut themselves up and not yell 'KILL ALL THE KIKES' for a 20 minutes march does not completely nullify the fact that this is what their pamphlets and propaganda arms are screaming all day long over the internet where anonymity is much easier and harder to prosecute.

Therefore they have to be taken up for it whenever they crawl out of their trailers, and beat the shiat out of them until they return. Whack a Nazi all day 'err day.

And yes, even if that results in assault charges.


Talk is cheap, Tats.  Bring us some Aryan foreskins, or shut the fark up.
 
2013-04-22 07:52:20 PM  
Meanwhile, in Dear Ol' Blighty

assets.vice.com

(that is an EDLer getting roflstomped by a Black Bloc)
 
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