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2013-04-21 03:19:42 PM  
Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.
 
2013-04-21 03:19:48 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.


Care to quote exactly what these protesters said to incite violence?  Go on, give us an example of their inciting violence.
 
2013-04-21 03:20:24 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.

I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.


And tats is one of the biggest trolls on Fark.
 
2013-04-21 03:21:12 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Nazis hate socialists......


Really depends where, actually. I read a long article from Golden Dawn where they are all about 'Let's destroy capitalism it is the scourge of the earth, we need a more socialist form of government that will treat ethnic Greeks the way they should be treated (after we kill all minorities and take back Northern Cyprus)'
 
2013-04-21 03:21:20 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Lord Jubjub: Isn't public obscenity, especially on a sign, generally cause for arrest?

Not for arrest, but "time and manner restrictions" on speech (you can't play Carlin's Seven Dirty Words on the radio at 3 in the afternoon, for example) would make the cop entirely within his rights in asking her to put it away.  Her response to that is likely what led to the arrest.  I wasn't there, I have no idea what she did/didn't do in response, so I have no opinion on whether the cop was justified.  I'll only say that it's possible that he was, it's also possible that he drastically overreacted.  I just don't have enough information.


I would argue that obscenity is no different then hate speech.   Which has been determined to be protected by the first amendment.
 
2013-04-21 03:21:32 PM  

SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.


See the above post for an example a real incitement to violence
 
2013-04-21 03:22:22 PM  

kortex: They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.


Mock26: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?


"Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"
 
2013-04-21 03:23:22 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again:  The greatest threat to America comes not from terrorists or other who wish her harm.  It comes from within; it comes from those who are charged with the obligation to protect our rights and freedoms.
 
2013-04-21 03:23:24 PM  

ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.


Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare
 
2013-04-21 03:23:36 PM  

SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.


Yup. And just because they can shut themselves up and not yell 'KILL ALL THE KIKES' for a 20 minutes march does not completely nullify the fact that this is what their pamphlets and propaganda arms are screaming all day long over the internet where anonymity is much easier and harder to prosecute.

Therefore they have to be taken up for it whenever they crawl out of their trailers, and beat the shiat out of them until they return. Whack a Nazi all day 'err day.

And yes, even if that results in assault charges.
 
2013-04-21 03:24:08 PM  

SubBass49: Everyone talks about freedom of speech, but few mention that that freedom is from GOVERNMENT intervention in your speech.  It doesn't preclude your boss from firing you, people from thinking you're a douchebag, and other such repercussions of your "free speech."

While I may disagree with Tatsuma on matters of Israeli politics & zionism, I agree that neo-nazi fascists and white-power scumbags ought to get their asses beat down at every possible turn.  Sure, the people doing it will have to accept legal repercussions when they commit crimes in attacking such morons, but that's part of the deal.


You missed the part of the article where the counter-protester was beaten and arrested for her sign, didn't you?
 
2013-04-21 03:24:24 PM  

Tatsuma: iheartscotch: I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

I moved to Israel about two years ago (actually visiting NA for a couple of months to spend time with relatives). I did not grow up there.

And sadly yes there are even skinheads in Israel, they are non-Jewish Russians. They are the children of non-Jewish russians who lied about being Jewish in order to flee the USSR and come live in Israel, because well any place is better than the USSR. Their children grew up disenfranchised as they don't feel part of society, either the Jewish or Arab parts of it, and by reading Russian stuff online, they've embraced neo-Nazism.

Yeah.

iheartscotch: By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.

A shiatload of us tried to ignore Hitler as a clown in the early 30s, and it ended up with six millions of us killed.

Real life is not the internet, those are not trolls, they are honest to G-d racists with open plans for genocide.


I'll take your word for it; you'd think that skinheads wouldn't last long in Israel.

Hitler was a clown; he just used Jews as scapegoats to unite the other germans.

But, the right to free speech is necessary to a free society. Even if that right is misused; it needs to be preserved.

/ if that means putting up with those we would rather silence; then that is what is required to maintain a free society.
 
2013-04-21 03:25:16 PM  

Somacandra: vygramul: I'm sure fark's resident bigots will show up to condemn the KKK and Nazis.

[i.imgur.com image 500x333]

To be fair, not all Klansmen are bigots.


I've never seen this picture before, and frankly, it concerns me. It fills me with self doubt. What stands out most to me isn't the pink sheet costumes or the glaring contrast between that particular costume and the men wearing it. It's not even the guy in the back who's behind a sign with a message of tolerance and understanding while holding a shotgun. What stands out the most to me is the fact that Spongebob Squarepants is showing on a monitor off to the side. What does that say about me? Is there something wrong with me?
 
2013-04-21 03:25:29 PM  

albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare


you're afraid of 85 year olds?
 
2013-04-21 03:25:33 PM  

albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare


A handful of redneck yokels from Sisterfark, Georgia isn't a fascist threat worth concerning yourself with.
 
2013-04-21 03:25:57 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.


Which in fairness, is exactly why most KKK marches concentrate on "pride" and "unity" and "faith."

Generally they save the incitements to violence until they get home, or in their own meeting houses.

Don't get me wrong: when I was bouncing, I had zero tolerance for skinheads, and certainly had enough incidents with their goofy asses, but simply being isn't a crime. You have to actually wait for them to do something before you jump on them. Which, oddly enough, is a lesson that my own people learned during the Internment here in the US.

The best way to combat these folks isn't by putting a responsive beat down upon them, but to make their rhetoric irrelevant. Much in the same way that the Westboro folks are a sad, sad, sad joke. You watch their asses to be sure, but more and more, the best way to keep them from gaining ground, is to mock them into oblivion. And maybe not elect them to office. Simply being a racist assbag isn't enough for prosecution, and walking while racist isn't REALLY a crime. The idea is to be better than the little fascist sh*tbags...
 
2013-04-21 03:25:58 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"


Exactly. I really wish you could associate faces with posts, because I really think that the idea of 'White Privilege' would really come to life in this thread. I get the feeling that 95% of those saying they have a right to free speech and do what they are doing and should just be ignored are white men.

/Other 5% white women.

Rodeodoc: I've said it before and I'll say it again:  The greatest threat to America comes not from terrorists or other who wish her harm.  It comes from within; it comes from those who are charged with the obligation to protect our rights and freedoms.


Nazis are not the real enemy, guys, the GOVERNMENT is!

/go back to celebrating 4:20
 
2013-04-21 03:26:25 PM  

skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns


What about the Ku Klux Klowns?
 
2013-04-21 03:27:05 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME


Ask yourself
Why aren't you?
 
2013-04-21 03:27:44 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns

What about the Ku Klux Klowns?


Do they pile 25 deep into a Chevy pickup with a gun rack?
 
2013-04-21 03:28:45 PM  

albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?


because actually confronting violent racists in Georgia is a lot harder than talking about it on the internet from Canada?
 
2013-04-21 03:29:04 PM  

Mock26: Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.

Care to quote exactly what these protesters said to incite violence?  Go on, give us an example of their inciting violence.


Don't waste your time.  Tats if a fkn coward who avoids difficult questions.  Typical ITG.
 
2013-04-21 03:29:04 PM  

skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?


Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.
 
2013-04-21 03:29:48 PM  

iheartscotch: I'll take your word for it; you'd think that skinheads wouldn't last long in Israel.


Well, there aren't a lot of them, so they usually stay indoors and don't make too much trouble. But yeah they are here and have been responsible for anti-semitic attacks and vandalism.

iheartscotch: Hitler was a clown; he just used Jews as scapegoats to unite the other germans.


And this is false, he used a climate of hatred that had been pervasive in Germany especially since Luther, and it could easily be argued that Hitler's end goal was the extermination of Jews and then the rest of minorities versus winning the war. Not only can it be easily argued, that's pretty much the opinion of every decent Historian.

iheartscotch: But, the right to free speech is necessary to a free society. Even if that right is misused; it needs to be preserved.


Free speech does not cover incitement to violence or fighting words, that's not a hard concept to grasp.
 
2013-04-21 03:29:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns

What about the Ku Klux Klowns?


simpsonswiki.net
 
2013-04-21 03:29:58 PM  
Tatsuma
Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

I invite Tatsuma to apply his own standards to himself.

/I know I'm on his /ignore
 
2013-04-21 03:30:07 PM  

albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?


There aren't any where I live, for one.

Oh, also, what they're doing isn't illegal, no matter how much Tats wishes it were.
 
2013-04-21 03:31:10 PM  

RanDomino: Tatsuma
Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

I invite Tatsuma to apply his own standards to himself.

/I know I'm on his /ignore


He has no time for people who don't swallow his BS
 
2013-04-21 03:31:50 PM  

skullkrusher: Keizer_Ghidorah: skullkrusher: WordyGrrl: One of my fave news stories ever is about a Klan rally that was derailed by a Clown Rally.
Clowns Kicked KKK Asses
[static.neatorama.com image 500x330]

The only thing creepier than the Klan are clowns

What about the Ku Klux Klowns?

Do they pile 25 deep into a Chevy pickup with a gun rack?


As well as perform hilarious feats of showmanship on high-wires strung between burning crosses and ride around on swastika-shaped bicycles while throwing pies at each other.
 
2013-04-21 03:33:03 PM  
A-hem.  Anyone remember Georgia Governor Lester Maddox and his axe-handle politics?

/wanders out to make sure no kids are playing on the lawn
 
2013-04-21 03:33:39 PM  

Notabunny: I can't imagine having a life so buttoned down, so well organized, so trouble free, that the amount of pigment in someone else's skin is the thing that keep me awake at night.


I see you've never been to a massage parlor, have you?
 
2013-04-21 03:34:28 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: Hmmm...

A shiatload of people on Fark clearly know shiat all about legal matters, as could be witnessed in the 'They didn't read his miranda rights!!' discussion, or in this thread where people believe that incitement to violence and fighting words are in fact Free Speech.


I've counter protested at these Klan rallies before and they are not up there advocating violence. The rank and file might be ignorant sheep but they have reasonably intelligent leaders. They tone their rhetoric down for these appearances. There are always some SHARPS and ARA types who will get violent and destroy property, but the Klan and the skins have learned to be a bit more presentable. You can't shut down public speech based on what's in a man's heart- only on what comes out of his mouth.
You, on the other hand, are calling for violence and hatred. Yeah I know- you're a victim. Aint we all? I've been a victim of the exact people this rally was protesting- immigrants. I live in Florida where the government allows ex-pat Cubans to form paramilitary organizations. I see second generation Cubans who can't speak English and refuse to assimilate into the host culture. Meanwhile we have a huge number of Latin gangs and 'guest workers' sending every red cent they can out of the country. This system needs to be fixed.
I just wish the Klan would stop making themselves the poster children of this fight. I'm sick of the defense of culture being turned into a toe hold for racism, but I'm not advocating violence against these people. That only escalates the situation. These morons are tooling for a fight- don't give it to them.
 
2013-04-21 03:34:53 PM  

vpb: I'm not surprised that it growing.  The Southern/rural right has gotten itself so worked up that we are lucky they aren't blowing up federal buildings.


I am.

If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?

The author offers no concrete, indisputable facts about growing membership in these groups. Why would he want to imply otherwise? He wouldn't because then there wouldn't be a story. These groups always exaggerate or claim their numbers are growing. Who would listen to them if they claimed they were dinosaurs on the edge of extinction?

I'm not saying racism is nonexistent; not saying there aren't plenty of bigots out there. It's just they tend to organize more along political lines than racial ones. The people that used to be clansmen now use other, less polarized means, to oppress people. You can't openly work to keep people down because of their skin color. You CAN work to keep thier economic class grovelling in the gutter; you CAN make it harder for them to grab their bootstraps and pull themselves out of the economic sewer. Don't believe me? Head on over to the Politics tab and read any random article.
 
2013-04-21 03:35:08 PM  

SoupJohnB: A-hem.  Anyone remember Georgia Governor Lester Maddox and his axe-handle politics?

/wanders out to make sure no kids are playing on the lawn


"Mo" Lester Maddox?
 
2013-04-21 03:36:13 PM  

iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.


he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair
 
2013-04-21 03:36:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: kortex: They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. That article is full of as much hatred as the KKK. Just let them protest and ignore them.

Mock26: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Why am I not surprised that you are just as intolerant and hate filled as the KKK?

"Stop intolerating their intolerance! Everyone has a God-given right to preach and incite death and terror on those they hate! You're even worse than they are for demanding their hate and evil be stopped!"


That is the beauty, and ugliness, that is the 1st Amendment.  And so long as they are not inciting death and terror and violence then I will defend with my life their right to say whatever they want.  But, publicly saying that you hate black people or that jewish people are subhuman is not inciting death and terror.
 
2013-04-21 03:38:32 PM  

redsquid: I've counter protested at these Klan rallies before and they are not up there advocating violence. The rank and file might be ignorant sheep but they have reasonably intelligent leaders. They tone their rhetoric down for these appearances.


Well yes, I know that and covered it up earlier in the thread.

Just the fact that they present a more polite face during these things doesn't mean they should be tolerated or ignored.

redsquid: There are always some SHARPS and ARA types who will get violent and destroy property, but the Klan and the skins have learned to be a bit more presentable. You can't shut down public speech based on what's in a man's heart- only on what comes out of his mouth.


ARA member myself for years. And when you smash what comes out of their mouth, that's half of the battle out there. The worst thing that these people do is the propaganda and disseminating their views and attracting others. That's why the most vital thing is to stop any efforts to recruit. Which includes breaking down their rallies

redsquid: You, on the other hand, are calling for violence and hatred. Yeah I know- you're a victim. Aint we all?


Clearly not.

redsquid: I've been a victim of the exact people this rally was protesting- immigrants. I live in Florida where the government allows ex-pat Cubans to form paramilitary organizations. I see second generation Cubans who can't speak English and refuse to assimilate into the host culture. Meanwhile we have a huge number of Latin gangs and 'guest workers' sending every red cent they can out of the country. This system needs to be fixed.


So on one hand you defend the rights of Nazis and Klansmen, then you turn around and start spewing hatred on Cubans and Latinos and immigrants in general. Not a surprise.
 
2013-04-21 03:40:16 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?


Because the Republicans have co-opted their message.
 
2013-04-21 03:42:07 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?


Because most of them know that ARA and SHARP, as well as Law Enforcement, will be at the rallies, taking pictures and documenting every single person who is protesting in order who they are, which is a big pain in the ass when you're a criminal, therefore the vast majority stay home in order to be able to spread their propaganda and commit crimes more easily.

Feral_and_Preposterous: The author offers no concrete, indisputable facts about growing membership in these groups. Why would he want to imply otherwise? He wouldn't because then there wouldn't be a story. These groups always exaggerate or claim their numbers are growing. Who would listen to them if they claimed they were dinosaurs on the edge of extinction?


Because it's organizations like the SPLC who takes care of this, and no they are not dinosaurs on the verge of extinction, post-9/11 they have been exploding all over the place, especially post-Obama's 1st election.

Feral_and_Preposterous: I'm not saying racism is nonexistent; not saying there aren't plenty of bigots out there. It's just they tend to organize more along political lines than racial ones. The people that used to be clansmen now use other, less polarized means, to oppress people. You can't openly work to keep people down because of their skin color. You CAN work to keep thier economic class grovelling in the gutter; you CAN make it harder for them to grab their bootstraps and pull themselves out of the economic sewer. Don't believe me? Head on over to the Politics tab and read any random article.


Let me guess: White, middle-class, blue state, live in a major city
 
2013-04-21 03:42:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: albatros183: Lionel Mandrake: Tatsuma: albatros183: tolls yes, Nazis no
Ignoring people that want to kill you or your neighbors, helps them.

The way to beat them is to beat them.

and yes there are skinheads in Israel also nazis.

the correct response to people that want a repeat of 57 million dead is a beatdown.

Exactly. I don't understand how that's hard to understand, or the fact that incitement to violence/fighting words are not free speech.

THEN WHY IS NO ONE STOPPING THESE GUYS FROM MARCHING?? THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME

Ask yourself
Why aren't you?

There aren't any where I live, for one.

Oh, also, what they're doing isn't illegal, no matter how much Tats wishes it were.


In Western Mass, there are a few rallies and marches. And to be honest, they're well attended, and mostly by folks who mock and jeer. Here, they tend to focus on the brown folks and Eastern Europeans, because the black folks are fewer, and more likely to fight back, and the yellow folks are organized. The funny thing, as much as they turn their ire on the Quebecois and Eastern Europeans, and their fellow citizens from Puerto Rico, it only gets folks together to collectively mock them.

Don't get me wrong. In prisons, these white power thugs ARE a power to be reckoned with. Our prison system has done far more to cohese these folks than anything outside those walls, and that carries outside the walls, because a lot of cons have a hard time making it, and the gangs they join inside, and owe when they get out do offer them at least something. If we really want to end these hate groups, than taking a bite out of the for profit prison system is going to go a ways towards that end. Guys who wind up going to jail for pot do some decent time, and when they get there, they are faced with taking the protection of groups, or facing that time alone, and fairly vulnerable. La Eme has grown in power because of our prisons as well. If we were a wise people, we might think a bit before we start stockpiling prisoners like a cheap source of labor and a place to dump folks we don't want to educate, or deal with the issues in their communities, but that isn't exactly going to happen any time soon.
 
2013-04-21 03:42:19 PM  

skullkrusher: iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.

he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair


I heard a horrible joke the other day.

A Muslim, an illegal alien and a communist walked into a bar; the bartender said, "What can I get you to drink, Mr. President".
 
2013-04-21 03:43:03 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

I moved to Israel about two years ago (actually visiting NA for a couple of months to spend time with relatives). I did not grow up there.

And sadly yes there are even skinheads in Israel, they are non-Jewish Russians. They are the children of non-Jewish russians who lied about being Jewish in order to flee the USSR and come live in Israel, because well any place is better than the USSR. Their children grew up disenfranchised as they don't feel part of society, either the Jewish or Arab parts of it, and by reading Russian stuff online, they've embraced neo-Nazism.

Yeah.

iheartscotch: By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.

A shiatload of us tried to ignore Hitler as a clown in the early 30s, and it ended up with six millions of us killed.

Real life is not the internet, those are not trolls, they are honest to G-d racists with open plans for genocide.

I'll take your word for it; you'd think that skinheads wouldn't last long in Israel.

Hitler was a clown; he just used Jews as scapegoats to unite the other germans.

But, the right to free speech is necessary to a free society. Even if that right is misused; it needs to be preserved.

/ if that means putting up with those we would rather silence; then that is what is required to maintain a free society.


Skinheads in Israel are a mix of stupid russians(can't believe I am agreeing with Tatsuma !) and Zionist skins, if your not from Jamaica you need to prove your not a fascist.
To be clear I don't condone state action against any of these people.

/Also do not condone states.
 
2013-04-21 03:43:14 PM  

iheartscotch: skullkrusher: iheartscotch: skullkrusher: albatros183: ph0rk: Tatsuma: Smash the fash, not worth having a discussion when a boot to the face has a much better effect on them

Indeed, we should band together in our fear and hatred of fascists. It's us against them. You're with us or against us.

Really did you miss WORLD WAR II?

/you want to argue motivation, you want to argue politics fine but the fact is that Germany tried to take over the world, they murdered 12-18 million because of their race or their politics or their nationality

so yes with 57 million dead we should band together and fight fascists.

I dare you to go up to a WWII vet and tell him what you just said here..

/even double dog dare

you're afraid of 85 year olds?

Clint Eastwood is 82; I bet he could still fark up people.

he is pretty good at beating the crap out of an empty chair

I heard a horrible joke the other day.

A Muslim, an illegal alien and a communist walked into a bar; the bartender said, "What can I get you to drink, Mr. President".


hehe not bad.
 
2013-04-21 03:44:42 PM  

jaytkay: Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're so strong, why does a combined group of skinheads and KKK 'tards have trouble scraping 30 people together in Georgia?

Because the Republicans have co-opted their message.


Yup. But please, it is the Republican party leadership. I know a lot of good "Republicans" that don't realize they are not Republicans.
 
2013-04-21 03:44:44 PM  

albatros183: and Zionist skins


No such thing as 'Zionist skinheads'.
 
2013-04-21 03:46:01 PM  

iheartscotch: Tatsuma: iheartscotch: Why are you guys paying attention to these trolls?

Let's see, 12 million dead in concentration camps, an untold number of African-Americans lynched, and again an untold number of racial attacks and murders in the last 60 years on American soil by these farks who are basically domestic terrorists.


I had the shiat beaten out of me repeatedly as a teenager for having Jewish blood by skinheads. Yeah, it's really a wonder why I'd react strongly to people who often assaulted me, and advocate for my death on a daily basis.

I thought you live in Israel; are there skin heads in Israel?

By paying attention to them; you give them power. The way you beat trolls is by ignoring them.


You can laugh at them, too. Right?
 
2013-04-21 03:46:59 PM  
From a rally just outside of town a little over 20 years ago
24.media.tumblr.com

It has been real hard to shake some parts of our past around here.
 
2013-04-21 03:48:03 PM  

Tatsuma: albatros183: and Zionist skins

No such thing as 'Zionist skinheads'.


Friday night we'll be drinking Manischewitz
Going out to terrorize Goyim
Stomping shagitz, screwing shiksas
As long as we're home by Saturday morning
Cause hey, we're the Brews
Sporting anti-swastika tattoos
Oi Oi we're the boys
Orthodox, hesidic, O.G. Ois
Orthopedic, Dr. Martens good for
Waffle making, kicking through the shin
Reputation, gained through intimidation
Pacifism no longer tradition
Cause hey we're the Brews
Sporting anti-swastika tattoos
Oi Oi we're the Brews
The fairfax ghetto boys skinhead Hebrews
We got the might, psycho mashuganas
We can't lose a fight, as we are the chosen ones
Chutzpah driven, we battle then we feast
We celebrate, we'll separate our milkplates from our meat
We're the Brews
Sporting anti-swastika tattoos
Oi Oi we're the boys
Orthodox, hesidic, O.G. Ois
 
2013-04-21 03:48:11 PM  
So the Nazis and KKK walk into Atlanta .

And the Nazis have a parrot on their shoulder.
 So the KKK says, "Where'd you get that thing?"
And the parrot says, "Germany."
 
2013-04-21 03:48:22 PM  

Tatsuma: redsquid: I've been a victim of the exact people this rally was protesting- immigrants. I live in Florida where the government allows ex-pat Cubans to form paramilitary organizations. I see second generation Cubans who can't speak English and refuse to assimilate into the host culture. Meanwhile we have a huge number of Latin gangs and 'guest workers' sending every red cent they can out of the country. This system needs to be fixed.

So on one hand you defend the rights of Nazis and Klansmen, then you turn around and start spewing hatred on Cubans and Latinos and immigrants in general. Not a surprise.


OK let me get this straight- you got beat up by skins when you were younger so you hate them and call for their violent suppression.
I get beaten by Cubans and I call for immigration reform and cultural assimilation and I'm 'spewing hatred'? Go back to Isreal you farking moron.
Jews don't have a monopoly on victimhood.
 
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