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2013-04-21 02:46:05 PM
Asian culture is best when they're clearly not thinking about the American market during the creative process.  Once you have some Japanese dude trying to toss in American appeal, it ends up feeling crappy and forced.
 
2013-04-21 02:46:26 PM
The strange thing that happened was that Japan, in no small part due to tireless efforts of foreign otaku, discovered there was genuine overseas demand for anime.  In terms of global economics it's a laughably small blip, but the industry itself grew too fast, collapsed and is now going through the aftermath pains of deflation and commoditization.  The stuff that gets greenlighted quickly have a self-made audience -- unfortunately, that means a lot of stuff is downright creepy or caught up in its own meta.  If I don't see another anime about otaku culture I won't complain, but I know why it's there.

The 1990s were the "Golden Age" not necessarily because the best works came from that era, but that was the best opportunity to get an idea turned into anime.  Both creative talent and money were at a mutual peak, so while one can argue which are great works and which are not, the 1990s are probably unmatched in terms of diversity -- there was something for everyone.  Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Patlabor, Escaflowne, You're Under Arrest, Mahou Tsukai Tai, 3x3 Eyes, Ninja Scroll, Perfect Blue, Princess Mononoke, Cardcaptor Sakura, Cowboy Bebop. . . I'm not knocking earlier works in terms of quality, but until about the late 1980s unless you were making a space opera odds are your project would have a helluva uphill fight.

Hell, can anyone imagine something like Yokohama Shopping Log getting a greenlight, even for two OVA episodes, in any decade other than the 1990s?
 
2013-04-21 02:47:10 PM
There's some great stuff still coming out today.
Anybody here watch From The New World (Shinsekai Yori)?
 
2013-04-21 02:51:33 PM
There's still plenty of great shows made in the last decade:
Fullmetal Alchemist, Full Metal Panic, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Samurai Champloo, the most recent Lupin III show, Kids on the Slope.

The 90's had some great anime.  It also had a lot of crap.  For every Cowboy Bebop, there were probably five harem shows like Tenchi or Love Hina.  We only remember the great things and forget the rest.  Although it is true that the US anime bubble burst a few years back.  It reached a saturation point and a lot of American distributors went out of business or had to seriously restructure.  I don't think the Japanese anime studios have gotten particularly better or worse, though.  There's always a lot of generic shows that are easily forgettable, and a select few great shows that will be remembered for years.
 
2013-04-21 02:53:32 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
First anime I watched and recognized it for being anime.
 
2013-04-21 02:56:03 PM

Techhell: Nefarious: There is always much higher ratio between shiat and gems then you remember.  Since the shiat is forgotten.

I refuse to let an insult to Battle Athletes: Victory go unrefuted! It most certainly is NOT forgotten in this corner of the Animeverseaxy-thing.


So wish that show had a re-release on DVD or blu-ray, been out of print for like a decade.
 
2013-04-21 02:57:00 PM
www.animeout.com
This one was surprisingly interesting.
 
2013-04-21 02:57:23 PM
Anime from the 90s is cooler for certain values of "cool," yes. However, the article blows things way out of perspective.
 
2013-04-21 02:58:12 PM
With Death Note being the exception, I have to agree. The toonami lineup has me embarrassed to be an anime fan. Bleach? Wtf is that crap? Naruto looks even more annoying.
/love this thread so much.
 
2013-04-21 02:58:22 PM
These people not watch Jojo or something?
 
2013-04-21 02:59:37 PM
The article is poorly written, but it comes from a very real disappointment at what anime has to offer compared to years past. And this is from someone who then and now grabs fansubs of the things that sound interesting.

I think it's a somewhat different animal than "coolness" taking a nosedive. I think it's a cultural thing, an odd coincidence that won't be repeated.
The 80's and 90's had a Japan whose animation, art style, and storyline interests linked up with exactly what U.S. audiences wanted to see. In the U.S. at the time, even the best animation like Duck Tales was still seen for kids. Preteens. There was nothing in the animated vein for kids who grew up watching Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and the like, and at the same time there was a large dearth of the same genres from live-action and other mainstream entertainment. In comes Japanese animation that most definitely had more sci-fi, more action, more in-depth stories than your average mostly-for-kids cartoons in the Disney Afternoon. For a while, this worked well for both countries.

But American and Japanese culture is different, and while they matched up for little more than a decade, they're starting to go their separate ways, helped on by cheaper and cheaper animation techniques. Anime is made for Japan, and as it gets cheaper to churn out anime, more and more of Japan's culture can filter through. We see in in the kinds of heroes and heroine characters designs like Code Geass, that the author laments. Japan wants young, Japan wants thin, Japan wants pretty. It wants high schoolers dramatizing high school problems while still battling evil. It wants bizarre relationships and angst. It wants strictly defined genres that tell you all you need to know just by reading "Shoujo" on the cover. It's not necessarily what America wants.
Even for Americans who can get behind those sorts of things, they're still coming across with a distinct Japanese flavor that Americans still might find distasteful. Combine that with America actually producing animation geared towards older audiences, and you have a perfect recipe for a falling out between Japanese anime and the U.S. fans. It's not that the anime is worse than before, but it's not made for U.S. fans, and cheaper animation means it can better cater to the audience it was made for: Japan.

I had hoped there would be more instances of things like Big O's second season being producing strictly for American audiences. Japanese studios don't seem keen on producing things for the American market by themselves.
 
2013-04-21 02:59:46 PM
I tried to read that article.  It had tons of lingo that made no sense in any context whatsoever.  It was full of angst and whining about things I've never heard of.  It was just words on page that barely formed cohesive sentences.  What ever arguments the author was trying to present were lost in endless sidetracking and jargon.  Also, I get the impression that she thinks cartoon characters are real.
 
2013-04-21 03:00:29 PM
Sorry I'm late, but I was chasing down a red hat.
 
2013-04-21 03:03:30 PM
Dr. Tezuka says "Domo Arigato, little roboto."

www.japanator.com
I prefer these girls.  All versions
 
2013-04-21 03:03:48 PM

texdent: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]
First anime I watched and recognized it for being anime.


This. After hearing how DIC hacked up the first series finale, I was determined to start tracking down fansubs and finding out what really happened.

I'm not going to comment on modern anime vs 90's anime, mainly because I kinda lost interest in the early 2000's. Maybe all the shows started to look the same, or maybe I just got too old for it, I don't know.

But yeah. Sailor Moon, Magic Knights Rayearth, Cardcaptor Sakura, Chobits. I loved me some girly anime back then.
 
2013-04-21 03:05:46 PM
Durn 403 Forbiddenanimepast.net
 
2013-04-21 03:07:55 PM

Antimatter: Techhell: Nefarious: There is always much higher ratio between shiat and gems then you remember.  Since the shiat is forgotten.

I refuse to let an insult to Battle Athletes: Victory go unrefuted! It most certainly is NOT forgotten in this corner of the Animeverseaxy-thing.

So wish that show had a re-release on DVD or blu-ray, been out of print for like a decade.


... until a few months ago, I had it on VHS. <.< >.> (Well, I had my ancient VHS copies. Don't know if they worked since I tossed out my VCR like 8 years ago, and the wife asked me politely to "do something about that brick".)

Ah well. Maybe it's on a torrent or something, and I can burn it to DVD.

/*ponders*
 
2013-04-21 03:08:58 PM
The first picture comparison was pretty stupid.
Code Geass had character designs by Clamp. Clamp have been drawing noodle people forever, including the 1990s that the author is reminiscing on.

RG Veda from 1989

cdn102.iofferphoto.com

X1999 from 1992

m.mhcdn.net
 
2013-04-21 03:12:04 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Gimme your strength, Pegasus!!!
 
2013-04-21 03:12:18 PM
At least we all agree that Bleach is freaking terrible.
 
2013-04-21 03:16:55 PM
I dunno...

Let's see... in the last few years I've seen
- Steins;Gate
- Gurren Lagann
- Madoka Magica
- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
- Full Metal Alchemist:Brotherhood
- Naoki Urasawa's Monster
- Full Metal Panic
- Saint Seiya Lost Canvas

Truth be told, there are many anime from the 80's, 90's, 00's and 10's that I've enjoyed -- but at the same time, many more anime that I've not liked at all...
 
2013-04-21 03:18:40 PM
This one just bugged me:

Author complains about current-day shoujo, and then puts up a pic of Sailor Moon versus K-ON! K-ON! being shoujo is a stretch at best, but why not compare Sailor Moon to its contemporary - the innumerable Pretty Cure series's?

Methinks the author hasn't actually bothered watching much current anime, since all of (her?) points are basically "shows today suck. Here's a list of awesome cool shows. I hate K-ON!"
 
2013-04-21 03:18:56 PM
Rage baiting and poorly written article.  Author lost all credibility when she mentioned Gundam Wing, claiming that the Gundam pilots were trying to protect Earth (which they are, for about the last 5% of the series).  The down and dirty of this subject is that as anime has gotten cheaper, the variety of shows has grown.  There is probably at least a few series a year that an individual who is willing to sit down and watch anime in the first place will enjoy.  If there's a series/movie/ova that you don't like...DON'T WATCH IT.  Find something you DO like and stop biatching about other people having fun.

Personally, I've gotten tired of Toriyama's random character generator (it looks like he's got 10 different hairstyles and 5 different faces and just randomizes the colors), but if other people still want to watch his stuff, that's fine.  Just don't gush to me about how awesome it is and expect me to pay attention.  Don't whine about the character designs of what I'm watching either, unless I've got you tied to a chair with your eyes clamped open.

/has watched/enjoyed just about every series mentioned in this thread, with the exception of Cardcaptor
//waiting for the next episodes of Valvrave, Devil is a Part-timer, and Date A Live on hulu
///slashies come in threes
 
2013-04-21 03:19:33 PM
This person has a narrow view of anime. I just watched Psycho Pass, and it was great. Other titles that are good are High School of the Dead (everyone needs fanservice zombie stuff, but with a dark story too), When They Cry, gosh... Gurren Lagann, The Other, Deadman Wonderland (although that has more in relation to Dragonball in re: fight scenes, than the rest)...

Oh, and stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg
 
2013-04-21 03:20:09 PM
I grew up in [insert decade] therefore [same decade] had the best anime/tv shows/movies/books/video games.

/This is the nerd version of pining for the 'good ol' days' that never really existed.
 
2013-04-21 03:21:09 PM

Old enough to know better: texdent: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]
First anime I watched and recognized it for being anime.

This. After hearing how DIC hacked up the first series finale, I was determined to start tracking down fansubs and finding out what really happened.


If you didn't already know, Sailor Moon is getting a reboot this summer, and will follow the story line of the manga this time around. I feel like such a woman-child for looking forward to it.
 
2013-04-21 03:23:01 PM
Although it came out in the first decade of the 2000s, this is really a retrospective of the best of the 80s and 90s.

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2013-04-21 03:23:46 PM
Sword of the Stranger is a good recent anime. So is Steamboy.

And there is always clonish, ripoff, cliche garbage, always, including the 90s.
 
2013-04-21 03:27:19 PM
Wait, did the author just use Gundam Wing as an example of both "good anime" and "easy to follow plot".  What farking show did he watch?  It seemed like every other episode was obsessed with over complicating the political layout of the entire series.  Wing wasn't even a good Gundam series.  Outside of the mech designs, there is nothing from that show that I look back at fondly.  And I'm a huge Gundam fan.
 
2013-04-21 03:36:13 PM
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2013-04-21 03:47:18 PM

NeoCortex42: Wait, did the author just use Gundam Wing as an example of both "good anime" and "easy to follow plot".  What farking show did he watch?  It seemed like every other episode was obsessed with over complicating the political layout of the entire series.  Wing wasn't even a good Gundam series.  Outside of the mech designs, there is nothing from that show that I look back at fondly.  And I'm a huge Gundam fan.


I like Gundam Wing.
 
2013-04-21 03:51:06 PM
People have already done a great job ripping that article apart, so here's what I've been enjoying recently:

Lucky Star
Bakemonogatari
Spice and Wolf
Sword Art Online
Magi
Toradora
Problem Children
Maoyu
Cuticle Detective Inaba
Teekyu

Are any of these equal to Cowboy Bebop? No, probably not, but that's a pretty high bar.
 
2013-04-21 03:54:21 PM

texdent: First anime I watched and recognized it for being anime.


I have to think that's a pretty common sentiment. Sailor Moon was a lot of people's first anime.
 
2013-04-21 04:00:24 PM

teto85: Dr. Tezuka says "Domo Arigato, little roboto."

[www.japanator.com image 620x350]
I prefer these girls.  All versions


You're aware his name is Astro BOY, yes?

"But..but that can't...I have all these magazines!  Oh god.  Oh god."
 
2013-04-21 04:04:08 PM
I outgrew anime in the early 1990s, when I was in my 20s.

Keep in mind this is a guy who still watches lots of animation and reads comics. I didn't outgrow animation. I outgrew  anime, specifically.

Mostly, though, I got bored with it. It became repetitive, stupid, and pandered to people who mistake "adult" themes and scenes for sophistication.

The fan base also drove me away.

I've sampled a few things over the years, and anime hasn't grown at all. It's still the same fluffy, worthless stuff it has always been. It was cool when I was a kid. It gets old, fast.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:08 PM
Anyone remember Wings of Honneamise?  Still one of my favorite anything.
 
2013-04-21 04:05:18 PM

BattleFrenchie28: But the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure anime adaptation is coming out now.

Can the 90's say that?


Kind of?
 
2013-04-21 04:08:47 PM
Came here for Star Blazers respect.  Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-04-21 04:10:16 PM
The water tasted better too.
 
2013-04-21 04:11:38 PM

Bslim: NeoCortex42: Wait, did the author just use Gundam Wing as an example of both "good anime" and "easy to follow plot".  What farking show did he watch?  It seemed like every other episode was obsessed with over complicating the political layout of the entire series.  Wing wasn't even a good Gundam series.  Outside of the mech designs, there is nothing from that show that I look back at fondly.  And I'm a huge Gundam fan.

I like Gundam Wing.


i1222.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 04:11:53 PM
Attack On Titan
Nyarko-San
Problem Kids Are From Another World, Aren't They?
Jojo's Bizzarre Adventure
Penguin Drum

Just a few of the good anime coming out lately.
 
2013-04-21 04:13:02 PM
Naruto is awesome, but got ruined by terrible voice overs, terrible translating, and a stupid amount of filler episodes. If you get the chance to read the manga - it has one of the best plot lines ever. My biggest gripe about it is that Naruto basically has 2 jutsus the entire series.
 
2013-04-21 04:13:49 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

Yea, sorry, but this is cooler than anything else.
 
2013-04-21 04:20:07 PM
wraith95:

Spice and Wolf


Holy crap, dude.

One of my friends got me to watch that.

Just when you thought anime couldn't get more WTF, here's a show about a fertility goddess who is half-wolf and goes bare-assed naked everywhere, and the main plot of the show is medieval trade economics.
 
2013-04-21 04:20:08 PM
If you dislike cliches and repetitive themes in anime, then by all means Excel Saga is the 90s anime for you!

media-wallpapers.theotaku.com
 
2013-04-21 04:21:16 PM
Anyone watch Mushi-Shi? It's on Hulu and it's visually stunning.
 
2013-04-21 04:23:28 PM
The TL:DR version: I've forgotten the crap from 20 years ago and only recall the good stuff, I make a passing reference to the good stuff today and overhype the popular stuff today. Also, the stuff that defined my childhood should define today's generation.
 
2013-04-21 04:24:17 PM

Ed Willy: The TL:DR version: I've forgotten the crap from 20 years ago and only recall the good stuff, I make a passing reference to the good stuff today and overhype the popular stuff today. Also, the stuff that defined my childhood should define today's generation.


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2013-04-21 04:25:57 PM
cdn.obsidianportal.com

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I'd toss in the original Speed Racer in here if the Wachowski BroHos hadn't set it on fire and defecated on the ashes.

/you can come on my lawn but leave your crappy modern anime where it belongs.
 
2013-04-21 04:29:05 PM

ApatheticMonkey: BattleFrenchie28: But the Jojo's Bizarre Adventure anime adaptation is coming out now.

Can the 90's say that?

Kind of?


i0.kym-cdn.com
/hot like steel balls
//I doubt they're going to get to Steel Ball Run...
 
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