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(Daily Mail)   George W. Bush hopes his brother Jeb will run for President in 2016, that history will remember him kindly, and that pigs can indeed fly   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 85
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2013-04-21 09:46:41 AM
15 votes:
No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.
2013-04-21 10:56:21 AM
10 votes:
i276.photobucket.com
2013-04-21 11:10:01 AM
6 votes:

nekom: Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence...  Iraq though? All him. Well, perhaps moreso Cheney but still, that was no screw up, that was an intentional clusterfark.


Putting a dipshiat with zero experience in charge of a major organization like FEMA and then being surprised when it doesn't work out? That's not the sort of incompetence that's in any way forgivable. It's hubris and dumbassery on a truly epic scale. And Cheney couldn't have done nearly as much damage if GWB had simply had the stones to stand up to him and say no. But for all of GWB's posing in cowboy hats and all of his manly-man posturing on his "ranch," that was too much for him to do.

So now he spends his days puttering around a mansion in Dallas in a bathrobe, painting dogs and his own bare feet, and occasionally he offers the world his opinions about how amazing his brother would be as President.
2013-04-21 10:38:16 AM
6 votes:
Know who ELSE hopes Jeb Bush runs in 2016?  The DNC, that's who.
2013-04-21 01:27:56 PM
5 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: Thousands of dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, and a trillion dollars of our money GONE for A LIE.


For me, I always fall back on the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Baghdad.  Watching Wolf Blitzer barely able to hide his chubby, all I could think was, "We're bombing the shiat out of a non-military target that we're going to have to spend a decade rebuilding, and we're doing it to have an excuse to be there for a decade".

Every aspect of the war, from ignoring the Powell Doctrine from the beginning, to always underestimating the cost and resistance, to disallowing photos of coffins or wounded soldiers,  to lowering taxes to "rally the base" while keeping trillions off the books (which the "liberal" media conveniently refused to mention), was done with complete disregard for the military personnel involved and the long-term consequences of the effects on the economy of this country.

fark this guy.  fark his brother.  fark his whole farking family, and fark the 1%ers like them that think this nation is theirs to own and rule.
2013-04-21 12:07:43 PM
5 votes:

nekom: UNC_Samurai: nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.

And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.

Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence. The economy is only partially the responsibility of the President. Iraq though? All him. Well, perhaps moreso Cheney but still, that was no screw up, that was an intentional clusterfark.


Do you mean in terms of politics or in terms of leadership?

Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong.  From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming,  but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!"  From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.  But the only one people remember, the only one that people care about and admit HE (still won't admit "we" despite a majority of Americans supporting invasion in 2003 and a majority claiming they "never supported it" in 2007) invaded Iraq.

Like tagging Al Capone for Tax Evasion, it may be the best we can get.  But like that age-old example it's frustrating that a man with so many demonstrably terrible policies is only tarred and feathered with his least exciting failure.  The whole country (or at least a majority) was behind the invasion and dancing with glee as the mighty US army stomped all over Saddam's shiatty army.  Of all his many, many failings Iraq is the stone-blind-retarded policy farkup that the rest of the nation most shares blame for, yet it is the one Bush is most blamed for.  He's practically a scapegoat (okay, maybe that's too far) and while he's still MILES away from "innocent" on the topic, he is about as close as he ever gets.

I never supported invasion of Iraq, too many lessons in history and Middle Eastern politics from friends and acquaintances and internets taught me it was going to be a bad idea.  I was wrong about plenty of details and a little more Alex Jones-style conspiracy-monger than I'd care to admit but them's the breaks.  But I accept that I could have made a better case, I could have fought harder, I could have focused on down-ticket elections and tried to educate instead of denigrate when a Patriot was repeating foolish lies.

And the thing that truly chaps my hide about this is not Bush being wrongfully accused or all the journalists and politicians and people like you and me abdicating responsibility on the crime of the Iraq clusterfark.  What gets me is the fact that every OTHER failure is eclipsed, overshadowed, and quietly reclaimed by people who want to keep repeating those failures.  Bush 2's legacy is still being polished, rebranded, and spun by people who want the most important (to them) parts back online as soon as possible.  Disaster capitalism, corporate kleptocracy, and neofeudalism are still the operating principles and despite 33 years and counting of proof these things don't work we're only talking about Gee-Dub's Iraq Debacle.

But anyways, yeah, in terms of political capital it's like you said, Dubya went from richest man evar to deeply in debt (money = political capital in this metaphor) over Iraq.
2013-04-21 11:25:24 AM
5 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Bush and Cheney apparently hated each other by the end of the second term, which is probably why his presidency was only a slightly mitigated disaster.


They deserve each other though. In hell, I hope they share a cell together.

As for Jeb Bush, I've had enough of that family. No more of them please.
2013-04-21 03:20:09 PM
4 votes:
Really.  I mean, there's trolling, and then there's that.  You know what, to hell with it, someone needs to say it.

(clicks "show ignored users", hits refresh)

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


SHUT THE FARK UP, RANDOMJSA/LIBBYNOMORE2, YOU THREADSHIATTING ALT.  ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR YEARS IS STINK UP THIS PLACE WITH YOUR FECES FLINGING.  GO THE FARK AWAY, AND TAKE YOUR HAREM OF ALTS WITH YOU!

You add absolutely NOTHING to discourse on this site, and I can't be anywhere near the only one whose tired of you pissing in the village well.  You're not even entertaining; you're like a goddamn bot designed to find threads and spit out garbage that encourages other wankstains.  Seriously, go the fark away and NEVER come back!

/that felt good
2013-04-21 11:37:37 AM
4 votes:
GWB is such an asshole that he probably hopes Jeb runs and loses. GWB has some sick competition issues with his family - one factor in the cause of the Iraq war was that he was trying to outdo his daddy who didn't invade and go after Saddam. GWB would love to cement his place in history as "the most successful Bush".
2013-04-21 10:34:43 AM
4 votes:

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


There's that whole collapsing economy in 2008. It's important that not go down the memory hole.

Worst. POTUS. EVER. Makes Carter look like FDR.
2013-04-21 09:41:38 AM
4 votes:

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.
2013-04-21 09:26:16 AM
4 votes:
It is a pity that the smarter brother has his chances ruined by the lesser.

/or at least I hope they're ruined
//we don't need any more Bush.
2013-04-21 03:51:13 PM
3 votes:

TheBigJerk: Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong. From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming, but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!" From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.


I'd like to point out that you forgot "No Child Left Behind" ... which essentially flushed the toilet on our most promising young minds in the quest for mediocrity.
2013-04-21 01:14:39 PM
3 votes:
Bush's legacy will be: Ramping up to invade Iraq the moment he got into office, being completely clueless that 9/11 was coming, getting diverted into a successful invasion, but godawful occupation of Afghanistan, and then getting back to his original goal of invading Iraq to make his daddy proud of him by lying and exaggerating Iraq's capabilities and ties to terrorism, which was fueled by an extremist form of Christianism that made Bush and his buddies believe God was guiding their every move. Bush and every other member of his administration should be in prison. Thousands of dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, and a trillion dollars of our money GONE for A LIE.

If it weren't for the crime of invading Iraq for no farking reason, his legacy would be the massive encroachment of Christian Fundamentalism into our personal lives through laws and judicial appointments, which delayed civil rights and science progress for a decade.
2013-04-21 12:32:23 PM
3 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

As long as the person elected to the run the country is educated, capable, and sensible, I don't care what their last name is, if I'm honest with you.  I don't vote at the ballot box based on the last names of the people running, I vote based on their platforms and whether or not I think they'll do a decent job in the White House.  A monarchy is hereditary rule, no elections, no campaigning.  If Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2016, are you seriously saying you wouldn't vote for her, even if she was far and away the best person for the job, simply because her husband held the post for 8 years?  Come on.


Thank you. It's easy to grab onto Weaver's emotional coattails over the whole dynasty thing, but the term doesn't really apply in Hillary's case, as subsequent to Bill's terms in office she has build her own legacy of service and accomplishment. If she runs again I will happily vote for her as I am confident she is the best qualified candidate for the job.

Jeb Bush? Now there is a clear cut case of dynasty marketing. He hasn't done jack shiat since leaving office and his name is ONLY being floated as a hook for that tiny percent of old white folks who pine for the 'good old days' under Dubya. Jesus, what a cynical job that is.
2013-04-21 11:11:13 AM
3 votes:

culebra: [i276.photobucket.com image 480x350]


It would be fitting if ten thousand people printed that out and sent it as a postcard to GWB.
2013-04-21 10:17:00 AM
3 votes:
If it's Bush vs. Clinton again I'm done with you America.
2013-04-21 05:09:37 AM
3 votes:
I wish this family would just go the way of the Kennedys.
2013-04-21 04:37:38 PM
2 votes:

jcooli09: When was it ever Bush vs. Clinton?

                                1992
2013-04-21 04:08:29 PM
2 votes:
The GOP has moved so far to the right that even the retarded two-term President would most likely not be able to win the GOP nomination for President so there's no hope for Jeb to win the GOP nomination (which is a good thing as the Bush family should be in prison).

The GOP took all the wrong lessons from their loss in 2012. Instead of seeing what everyone else saw as to why R-money was a horrible candidate, they felt he lost because he wasn't conservative enough. So look forward to Santorum/Bachmann 2016.
2013-04-21 03:15:44 PM
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: This just diamond-hard proof that Dubya has not learned a damn thing from his eight years of inflicting Hell on Earth, has not an atom of remorse for what he has done, and has yet to receive even the wettest noodle of punishment for it.


Came here to make this point. I've owned Goldfish with more self awareness than Dumbya.

Getting a little tired of the "History will judge me kindly thing" too. It hasn't. It won't.
2013-04-21 02:55:44 PM
2 votes:

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


This is the single dumbest thing ever posted on the internet. Ever.
2013-04-21 01:53:25 PM
2 votes:

Epoch_Zero: It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.




well, this is a country that let's Ollie North have a "poilitical show" on a cable network
2013-04-21 01:36:22 PM
2 votes:
It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.
2013-04-21 01:31:39 PM
2 votes:
In a world where justice is not an abstract concept, Bush would have been prosecuted for war crimes, or at the very least, criminal negligence for Katrina.  Instead, we get to see his sorry ass painting and smiling.  He should be in prison for what he did to the country and ... well, several other countries.

\fly on over to Spain, George, just for a bit
2013-04-21 12:52:35 PM
2 votes:

LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.



the Repugs could have Jesus Christ himself as their nominee and i'd still vote Democrat.
2013-04-21 12:41:18 PM
2 votes:
Dubya will go down as the stupidest president in history.  Oh, I suppose folks like Cal Thomas and Charles Krauthammer will remember him "kindly," but that's about it.  If Jeb ran, it would be even worse for Dubya, because Jeb will appear to be able to walk and chew a pretzel at the same time.  And who doesn't have to bring his fingerpaintings to mommy for approval.
2013-04-21 12:37:11 PM
2 votes:
I continue to be absolutely convinced that GWB never actually wanted to be President.

He wanted to SAY he was President in the same way a 6 year old says he wants to be President.  But he didn't want to do the work.  And with the people that surrounded him, he didn't have to.
2013-04-21 12:34:09 PM
2 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I wish this family would just go the way of the Kennedys.


i.imgur.com

Well, they could let Laura drive more often.
2013-04-21 12:31:09 PM
2 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Bush and Cheney apparently hated each other by the end of the second term,


which is why they deserve to be locked in a small windowless room together for the rest of their miserable lives.

/oh, and quit giving Cheney new hearts already
2013-04-21 12:17:27 PM
2 votes:
This just diamond-hard proof that Dubya has not learned a damn thing from his eight years of inflicting Hell on Earth, has not an atom of remorse for what he has done, and has yet to receive even the wettest noodle of punishment for it.
2013-04-21 11:56:43 AM
2 votes:
I still blame Barbara for raising social-ladder climbing sociopaths.
2013-04-21 11:50:48 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


As long as the person elected to the run the country is educated, capable, and sensible, I don't care what their last name is, if I'm honest with you.  I don't vote at the ballot box based on the last names of the people running, I vote based on their platforms and whether or not I think they'll do a decent job in the White House.  A monarchy is hereditary rule, no elections, no campaigning.  If Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2016, are you seriously saying you wouldn't vote for her, even if she was far and away the best person for the job, simply because her husband held the post for 8 years?  Come on.
2013-04-21 10:53:53 AM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Lost Thought 00: raerae1980: Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.

But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?

Why wouldn't she? It's a cushy job and she wouldn't need to do any work, just ride in on her Father's name.

/To be fair, that's the reason about 50% of Congressmen have the job

Well, that's the only reason Dubya got the job.  In the Six-Degrees From Saint Reagan game, that little potatohead scored a two thanks to his poppy.


Just be glad there are no viable Reagan spawn to run.
2013-04-21 10:47:00 AM
2 votes:

raerae1980: Curious: that picture of him flying over and looking down from air force 1

I don't think I've seen that one.  Is he smiling in it or something?


People of Dubya's mental capacities are always smiling.  Or rocking back and forth.  The only time they stop is when you jingle some car keys in their face.
2013-04-21 10:38:03 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


This, this, a thousand times this.
2013-04-21 10:32:39 AM
2 votes:

UNC_Samurai: nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.   Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.

And Katrina.  And helping push the economy off the cliff.


a big THIS to both.

after 41 spent all that time polishing the family name so we'd forget Prescott 43 farks it all up again.
2013-04-21 10:28:04 AM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

Heh... I got ripped into for expressing the same sentiment on here not long ago

/still agree, though


What they said.

And yes, Clinton too.
2013-04-21 10:25:32 AM
2 votes:
fark this farking fark and his farking family. fark them farkers.

/fark.
2013-04-21 10:15:03 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-21 09:52:25 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Heh... I got ripped into for expressing the same sentiment on here not long ago

/still agree, though
2013-04-21 08:58:02 AM
2 votes:
Is he farking high?
2013-04-21 08:49:04 AM
2 votes:
All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.
2013-04-22 12:31:49 AM
1 votes:
*makes mystical gesture*

[hurls the entire asteroid belt at the Bush family]
2013-04-22 12:00:14 AM
1 votes:
I hereby swear to rise in armed rebellion, and to exhort my fellow citizens to also so rise, when another member of that incredibly corrupt criminal family dares place its name upon an American ballot.
2013-04-21 08:26:50 PM
1 votes:

dericwater: stoli n coke: Befuddled: [...]


Yeah, like anyone would trust Frothy and Marcus in the same room.

So who's the bottom?


Frothy, of course.
2013-04-21 07:17:57 PM
1 votes:
Jeb Bush:  Because America wants its gas prices to quadruple and another war to funnel cash to the Rich yet again!
2013-04-21 05:52:13 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.




dtdstudios.com
2013-04-21 05:46:16 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


1.bp.blogspot.com+www.marshu.com

Hard to believe there was a time when I disagreed with 95% of what you posted.
2013-04-21 04:46:00 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


memeorama.com
2013-04-21 04:32:35 PM
1 votes:
The chance I would vote for a Republican is already zero. Jeb Bush being the possible Republican candidate I'm not voting for doesn't change that at all since I can't really reduce the chance that I would vote for a Republican any more than I already have.
2013-04-21 03:56:01 PM
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: I tend to agree with Weaver, though - the best thing that can happen in politics is fresh blood.  Nobody thought of Clinton six months after H.W. Bush's election in 1988.  Obama really didn't emerge nationally until 2004.  Instead of Clinton or Biden I'd like to see some newer faces.  Ideally, I'd like for Elizabeth Warren to run, but there's still too much wharrgarbl in the national voting population to elect someone that liberal.  My second tier of choices would include Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Cory Booker, or Julio Castro.  Castro might need some seasoning at the gubernatorial or congressional level first, though.


I don't disagree with a single thing you said, but each President comes in his or her time, and not before. That's why Warren or Booker will not be ready for '16. It isn't their time yet. Or maybe it's more accurate to acknowledge...as the Republicans are doing...that's it's Hillary's time. Another 8 years will give the aspiring candidates that much more time to mature into what we will need from them as leaders.

It will also give the GOP time to grow and reflect, which our country desperately needs. A unitary government over the long haul is not a healthy thing, but IMO the GOP as it stands now is unfit to rule, so I hope to see them back again.
2013-04-21 03:53:20 PM
1 votes:
Funny thing is, I've heard a few Republicans saying "Let's hear Jeb out. He's the smart one."
Yet they don't realize that is a tacit admission that they voted not once, but twice, for "the dumb one."
2013-04-21 03:38:45 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

This.  Politics is NOT a family business.  Tell Jeb to find a personality of his own.


Actually, politics IS very often a family business, though it's not really a closed system, other people can join comparability easily. Thing is, if you grow up with people inside the system, you grow up with everything utterly demystified. You get to know how shiat works. Behind the scenes, there is far more complexity and far more moving parts than you see in the news, both for good and for bad. And I'm not talking about scheming, I'm talking about the nitty-grity of how laws are written and tailored, how minor little tweaks affect outcomes considerably, exactly where and when important fights happen, how messaging works- it's interesting and complicated, and until you crack into the system, it's really hard to grasp. But if you grow up in a political family, you have a shortcut. You don't have to grow up, get a degree, get lucky enough to find a job or even an internship on the Hill or inside the White House- you have a short cut. You know a good amount of the insider stuff before you hit high school, and you understand what the profession actually is before you start making decisions about what you want to study, or what you might want to do with your life.

Politics is a tad odd that most people don't have the slightest idea of how things work before you experience it from the inside firsthand- what you see on the news or in popular media really can't teach you. Shows like The West Wing or some of the dorkier talk shows can help, but the political process itself is still only ancillary to what they're trying to do- tell a story, or present and advocate for policy issues. You're not going to get haggling over FCC Spectrum Auctions and the assignment of broadband spectrum, is what I'm saying. But if you grow up in the midst of it, you get to know before you decide whether or not you want to enter the business yourself.

Piggybacking on the power of a name is only a small part of it. It's just that people who know the inside of the business are far more likely to want to get into it.
2013-04-21 03:31:46 PM
1 votes:

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


It seems likely to me that if it hadn't been Iraq it would have been something else.  He was a very bad president, very malleable and surrounded by evil people.

He must have done something worthwhile, but I can't remember anything.
2013-04-21 03:22:57 PM
1 votes:
www.ascendancy.net
2013-04-21 03:15:29 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Mostly older Christian historically Republican white folks.


Not every Christian is Republican, no matter how much some wish to make it appear so.
And I don't have to regret voting for Dubya because I didn't...ever.
2013-04-21 03:07:19 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


farm5.staticflickr.com
2013-04-21 02:55:50 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


Sure, if your name is Bin Laden.
2013-04-21 02:21:41 PM
1 votes:
Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.
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Chris Christie has no chance in hell because he's seen as 'too moderate'.

Elizabeth Warren, sad to say, is too liberal for the populace. There's a hope that she might motivate the base by being an actual liberal, unlike Obama, but she'll get zero cross-over or independent votes, which in the USA makes it impossible to win.

Rubio and Bachmann are too extreme to even bat an eyelash at.

Jeb Bush is a Bush. Need I say more?

Hilary would have a great shot, but she's said about 150 times she won't run.
2013-04-21 12:54:22 PM
1 votes:
i do love Bush, but not the Bushes.   this Nation cannot afford another blue blood peter puffer in the White House.
2013-04-21 12:43:47 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Weaver95,

Think about this: From 1952-2004 there was only ONE national election that did not have a Nixon, Dole, or Bush on the ticket, either as the VP or POTUS candidate.  (The 1964 candidacy of Goldwater/Miller)
2013-04-21 12:41:41 PM
1 votes:
WIth enough thrust, pigs fly just fine.
2013-04-21 12:38:16 PM
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: Coco LaFemme: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

As long as the person elected to the run the country is educated, capable, and sensible, I don't care what their last name is, if I'm honest with you.  I don't vote at the ballot box based on the last names of the people running, I vote based on their platforms and whether or not I think they'll do a decent job in the White House.  A monarchy is hereditary rule, no elections, no campaigning.  If Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2016, are you seriously saying you wouldn't vote for her, even if she was far and away the best person for the job, simply because her husband held the post for 8 years?  Come on.

Thank you. It's easy to grab onto Weaver's emotional coattails over the whole dynasty thing, but the term doesn't really apply in Hillary's case, as subsequent to Bill's terms in office she has build her own legacy of service and accomplishment. If she runs again I will happily vote for her as I am confident she is the best qualified candidate for the job.

Jeb Bush? Now there is a clear cut case of dynasty marketing. He hasn't done jack shiat since leaving office and his name is ONLY being floated as a hook for that tiny percent of old white folks who pine for the 'good old days' under Dubya. Jesus, what a cynical job that is.


Thanks to you both.  Or I guess, THIS to you both.

While I'm also not crazy about having another president named Clinton, I think Hilary would do a fantastic job.  I just wish she weren't as old as she is.  Or as old as she would be by the time she ran.  But maybe that's not a huge deal.

And, Weaver, I totally get where you're coming from.  But if the country endured another "name-repeat" presidency, at least it would be with one where the precedent (ha!) actually knew what the f*ck he was doing and left the country in tremendously better shape than he found it.
2013-04-21 12:21:13 PM
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LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.


I do not know if they would actually do this, but all it would take is to point out that the last two Bush's took our nation to war and left office with the country in recession.
2013-04-21 11:57:06 AM
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DamnYankees: Mugato: Is he farking high?

On life paint thinner!


ftfy
2013-04-21 11:53:26 AM
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Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Pretty much this.  The two Bushes guaranteed that Jeb would never be elected no matter how much more qualified he is compared to the previous ones.
2013-04-21 11:51:39 AM
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Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


came here to say that
found it said
thank you
2013-04-21 11:47:11 AM
1 votes:
Bush basically allowed others to do his homework for him , as he had done for many years,decades really, thereby allowing Cheney, Rumsfeld  mand the other NeoCONs to call the tune, and then he had Rove stand in as Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda , so that he didn't really need to pay too much attention to anything important. He was a place holder until he (maybe) sent Cheney to the Corner to sit and STFU.

Because of these fundamental mistakes due to his weak character, he will be remembered as the Worst POTUS, bar none.
2013-04-21 11:41:17 AM
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MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


0/10
Civics Fail.
2013-04-21 11:12:28 AM
1 votes:
If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.
2013-04-21 11:06:21 AM
1 votes:

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


You've got me convinced. I'll never vote for Obama again.
2013-04-21 10:59:58 AM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.
2013-04-21 10:51:50 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


Or a plutocracy.

Oh wait....
2013-04-21 10:49:20 AM
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Lost Thought 00: raerae1980: Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.

But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?

Why wouldn't she? It's a cushy job and she wouldn't need to do any work, just ride in on her Father's name.

/To be fair, that's the reason about 50% of Congressmen have the job


Well, that's the only reason Dubya got the job.  In the Six-Degrees From Saint Reagan game, that little potatohead scored a two thanks to his poppy.
2013-04-21 10:46:02 AM
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raerae1980: Mugato: And yes, Clinton too.

But...but what about Chelsea?!?!

/Didn't I hear she was considering entering politics?


Why wouldn't she? It's a cushy job and she wouldn't need to do any work, just ride in on her Father's name.

/To be fair, that's the reason about 50% of Congressmen have the job
2013-04-21 10:40:59 AM
1 votes:
he may run. He may even get the nomination. But no way in hell is he ever getting elected.
2013-04-21 10:39:14 AM
1 votes:

nekom: Katrina could be forgiven as incompetence.


clearly you don't live in the area. besides which that picture of him flying over and looking down from air force 1 speaks volumes about him and his administration. "compassionate conservative" my ass.
2013-04-21 10:27:42 AM
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He's too dumb to realize the blood on his hands...sleeps well at night I'm sure. Not a bit of atonement. Not a bit of humility.
2013-04-21 10:23:05 AM
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Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.


Deval Patrick gave a great speech at last year's DNC and has recently gotten a lot national coverage since Chechans bombed his state. I'm sure there are wranglings behind the scene to position him for a run at 2016 if he wants to do that.
2013-04-21 10:08:33 AM
1 votes:
*throws another rock*
2013-04-21 09:55:00 AM
1 votes:
*throws rock*
2013-04-21 09:20:43 AM
1 votes:
Apparently he's going the Reagan route

/Alzheimer's appears to be setting in
2013-04-21 02:17:40 AM
1 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


What about if they're getting ready to punch people?
Nothing says "has staplermofo's vote" like a guy who rolls up his sleeves before punching people.
2013-04-21 01:19:08 AM
1 votes:
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