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2013-04-21 12:48:41 PM

The Lone Gunman: I continue to be absolutely convinced that GWB never actually wanted to be President.

He wanted to SAY he was President in the same way a 6 year old says he wants to be President.  But he didn't want to do the work.  And with the people that surrounded him, he didn't have to.


No, I think GWB wanted to be president/king where he could give orders and people had to follow them because he was supreme. He didn't need to work to understand things because he could rely on his superior gut instincts which were guided by God. Of course such an idiot is easy to manipulate, as was Reagan.
 
2013-04-21 12:50:05 PM

Rann Xerox: thomas666: He's too dumb to realize the blood on his hands...sleeps well at night I'm sure. Not a bit of atonement. Not a bit of humility.

Just ponder how well this simulcrum of a human being grabs his Z's:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x600]



ole' dick cheney just gave his nuts a tug and rub when he read this story.
 
2013-04-21 12:52:35 PM

LessO2: If Jeb were to become the Republican nominee, I could see a viable Democratic campaign based solely on the endorsement of Jeb Bush from George W.

Even if the Dems nominated a fish sandwich.



the Repugs could have Jesus Christ himself as their nominee and i'd still vote Democrat.
 
2013-04-21 12:54:22 PM
i do love Bush, but not the Bushes.   this Nation cannot afford another blue blood peter puffer in the White House.
 
2013-04-21 12:56:50 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I still blame Barbara for raising social-ladder climbing sociopaths.



its not all her fault.  this Nation does a great job of growing social ladder sociopaths who'll stop at nothing to get what they want (and deserve, of course)

wall street is very fertile soil for growing criminal financial grub worms.
 
2013-04-21 12:58:06 PM
I'm sure there are a lot of our troops that would have liked to learn how to paint in their older years.
 
2013-04-21 12:59:34 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: ecmoRandomNumbers: I wish this family would just go the way of the Kennedys.

[i.imgur.com image 250x189]

Well, they could let Laura drive more often.


With a speedballing George W as navigator.
 
2013-04-21 01:08:39 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Cargo: The Retardican line of succession indicates that Santorum will be 2016's candidate

I'm not convinced this will be the case. Sure, past trends indicate that this will possibly be the case, though I think it overlooks just how awful the 2012 Republican field was and how little the Republican base really liked Romney.  I'm sure Santorum will run in 2016 and may even be an initial frontrunner, but I think the field will be  stronger* than 2012 and Santorum will have been largely politically irrelevant (read: out of office) for a decade; to say nothing of his inability to win his home state in 2012.


* relatively. This is even factoring in a heavily-baggaged Jeb Bush.


I admit that I too would be surprised--shocked--if Santorum ended up being the final candidate.  But when the party is doing anything it can to hold on to the inexplicably "necessary" god-and-gun goons, what they'll end up doing is anybody's guess, and could likely defy any logical explanation.
 
2013-04-21 01:14:39 PM
Bush's legacy will be: Ramping up to invade Iraq the moment he got into office, being completely clueless that 9/11 was coming, getting diverted into a successful invasion, but godawful occupation of Afghanistan, and then getting back to his original goal of invading Iraq to make his daddy proud of him by lying and exaggerating Iraq's capabilities and ties to terrorism, which was fueled by an extremist form of Christianism that made Bush and his buddies believe God was guiding their every move. Bush and every other member of his administration should be in prison. Thousands of dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, and a trillion dollars of our money GONE for A LIE.

If it weren't for the crime of invading Iraq for no farking reason, his legacy would be the massive encroachment of Christian Fundamentalism into our personal lives through laws and judicial appointments, which delayed civil rights and science progress for a decade.
 
2013-04-21 01:15:10 PM
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2013-04-21 01:20:44 PM
George W. Bush hopes his brother Jeb will run for President in 2016

. . . and make George look good by comparison.
 
2013-04-21 01:24:49 PM
So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?
 
2013-04-21 01:27:50 PM

Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?



weird how that works.   after bush's second term, i could'nt find anyone who voted for bush and i live in a solidly republican southern state (60% repug, 40% Dem)

ahhh,  i just answered my own riddle.  the key word is 'southern'.   now it makes sense.    snicker.
 
2013-04-21 01:27:56 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Thousands of dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, and a trillion dollars of our money GONE for A LIE.


For me, I always fall back on the "Shock and Awe" bombing of Baghdad.  Watching Wolf Blitzer barely able to hide his chubby, all I could think was, "We're bombing the shiat out of a non-military target that we're going to have to spend a decade rebuilding, and we're doing it to have an excuse to be there for a decade".

Every aspect of the war, from ignoring the Powell Doctrine from the beginning, to always underestimating the cost and resistance, to disallowing photos of coffins or wounded soldiers,  to lowering taxes to "rally the base" while keeping trillions off the books (which the "liberal" media conveniently refused to mention), was done with complete disregard for the military personnel involved and the long-term consequences of the effects on the economy of this country.

fark this guy.  fark his brother.  fark his whole farking family, and fark the 1%ers like them that think this nation is theirs to own and rule.
 
2013-04-21 01:28:20 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.

Deval Patrick gave a great speech at last year's DNC and has recently gotten a lot national coverage since Chechans bombed his state. I'm sure there are wranglings behind the scene to position him for a run at 2016 if he wants to do that.


Why not it worked for Guiliani. Just because someone was on your talkie box doesn't mean they will be the next president. Thats as dumb as the freepers having conniptions because "Moochele" is sure fire doggone gonna be the rat' nominee in 2016 provided 0bunwarmer allows an election to be held.
 
2013-04-21 01:29:06 PM

Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?


Linux_Yes said he loved Bush

/but not Bushes
 
2013-04-21 01:31:39 PM
In a world where justice is not an abstract concept, Bush would have been prosecuted for war crimes, or at the very least, criminal negligence for Katrina.  Instead, we get to see his sorry ass painting and smiling.  He should be in prison for what he did to the country and ... well, several other countries.

\fly on over to Spain, George, just for a bit
 
2013-04-21 01:36:22 PM
It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.
 
2013-04-21 01:53:25 PM

Epoch_Zero: It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.




well, this is a country that let's Ollie North have a "poilitical show" on a cable network
 
2013-04-21 01:55:02 PM

one of those: MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.

You've got me convinced. I'll never vote for Obama again.


damn. too bad you wont have another chance to screw things up even more.

oh wait, there is always hillary
 
2013-04-21 01:56:31 PM

invictus2: Epoch_Zero: It's a national tragedy that this man and his cohorts are not in jail. A true failure of justice that the USA is becoming known for.

well, this is a country that let's Ollie North have a "poilitical show" on a cable network


Touche.
 
2013-04-21 02:04:43 PM

MBrady: oh wait, there is always hillary


Yes, thank goodness...there sure is!

/maybe after 8 years of Hillary the gop will have grown up a bit and be worthy of consideration
 
2013-04-21 02:17:13 PM

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


Can do!
 
2013-04-21 02:21:41 PM
Princess Ryans Knickers: So Chris Christie, Elizabeth Warren, Marcus Rubio (no chance in hell), Michelle Bachmann (no chance in hell), Hillary Clinton, and Jeb Bush all running in 2016. Interesting.
==========================================================

Chris Christie has no chance in hell because he's seen as 'too moderate'.

Elizabeth Warren, sad to say, is too liberal for the populace. There's a hope that she might motivate the base by being an actual liberal, unlike Obama, but she'll get zero cross-over or independent votes, which in the USA makes it impossible to win.

Rubio and Bachmann are too extreme to even bat an eyelash at.

Jeb Bush is a Bush. Need I say more?

Hilary would have a great shot, but she's said about 150 times she won't run.
 
2013-04-21 02:30:20 PM

MBrady: then I guess you better stop voting for 0 O, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up. You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


I know he does, and it's also annoying coming from him.  And rest assured, he is NOT getting my vote in 2016.
 
2013-04-21 02:32:34 PM

Linux_Yes: Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?


weird how that works.   after bush's second term, i could'nt find anyone who voted for bush and i live in a solidly republican southern state (60% repug, 40% Dem)

ahhh,  i just answered my own riddle.  the key word is 'southern'.   now it makes sense.    snicker.


I know of people.  Not really friends with them, but I know people who did.  I know of more who admit to voting for him the first time and who were pissed off - mainly at themselves, actually - for being "hoodwinked" the first time around.  Mostly older Christian historically Republican white folks.

/blue-purple stater
 
2013-04-21 02:38:16 PM

jake3988: Hilary would have a great shot, but she's said about 150 times she won't run.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-21 02:40:30 PM

MBrady: Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.

then I guess you better stop voting for 0, since whenever he goes to a blue collar area, he doesn't have his spiffy jacket and tie on - and his sleeves are rolled up.   You know, so he can look like his is part of the working class and that he cares about you.


www.twinfinite.net

Unavailable for comment
 
2013-04-21 02:40:33 PM

Relatively Obscure: Unrelated except for one picture, but I think I just may stop voting for any candidate who, at any time, rolls up his or her shirt sleeves.


I don't mind the rolling up the sleeves, because I do it all the time myself. However, I won't vote for anyone who thinks a tattersall check shirt means approachable and casual. Look at Romney and Ryan--never before has the tattersall-asshole Venn diagram been such a perfect circle.
 
2013-04-21 02:48:44 PM
Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.
 
2013-04-21 02:55:44 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


This is the single dumbest thing ever posted on the internet. Ever.
 
2013-04-21 02:55:50 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


Sure, if your name is Bin Laden.
 
2013-04-21 03:07:19 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-04-21 03:14:59 PM

Mugato: So where are all the Bush supporters in this thread?


I have been dating an Asian woman recently. I support.
 
2013-04-21 03:15:29 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Mostly older Christian historically Republican white folks.


Not every Christian is Republican, no matter how much some wish to make it appear so.
And I don't have to regret voting for Dubya because I didn't...ever.
 
2013-04-21 03:15:44 PM

TV's Vinnie: This just diamond-hard proof that Dubya has not learned a damn thing from his eight years of inflicting Hell on Earth, has not an atom of remorse for what he has done, and has yet to receive even the wettest noodle of punishment for it.


Came here to make this point. I've owned Goldfish with more self awareness than Dumbya.

Getting a little tired of the "History will judge me kindly thing" too. It hasn't. It won't.
 
2013-04-21 03:17:00 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Linux


I.O.W.   FurrBurger.   Bearded Clam,   Whisker Biscuit
 
2013-04-21 03:19:23 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


www.dinntrophy.com
 
2013-04-21 03:20:09 PM
Really.  I mean, there's trolling, and then there's that.  You know what, to hell with it, someone needs to say it.

(clicks "show ignored users", hits refresh)

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.


SHUT THE FARK UP, RANDOMJSA/LIBBYNOMORE2, YOU THREADSHIATTING ALT.  ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR YEARS IS STINK UP THIS PLACE WITH YOUR FECES FLINGING.  GO THE FARK AWAY, AND TAKE YOUR HAREM OF ALTS WITH YOU!

You add absolutely NOTHING to discourse on this site, and I can't be anywhere near the only one whose tired of you pissing in the village well.  You're not even entertaining; you're like a goddamn bot designed to find threads and spit out garbage that encourages other wankstains.  Seriously, go the fark away and NEVER come back!

/that felt good
 
2013-04-21 03:22:57 PM
www.ascendancy.net
 
2013-04-21 03:25:08 PM

UNC_Samurai: Really.  I mean, there's trolling, and then there's that.  You know what, to hell with it, someone needs to say it.

(clicks "show ignored users", hits refresh)

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done even if you buy the liberals cherry picked facts to make things look better than they actually are.

SHUT THE FARK UP, RANDOMJSA/LIBBYNOMORE2, YOU THREADSHIATTING ALT.  ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR YEARS IS STINK UP THIS PLACE WITH YOUR FECES FLINGING.  GO THE FARK AWAY, AND TAKE YOUR HAREM OF ALTS WITH YOU!

You add absolutely NOTHING to discourse on this site, and I can't be anywhere near the only one whose tired of you pissing in the village well.  You're not even entertaining; you're like a goddamn bot designed to find threads and spit out garbage that encourages other wankstains.  Seriously, go the fark away and NEVER come back!

/that felt good


I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

I think I'll go crack a cold one... :^)
 
2013-04-21 03:31:46 PM

nekom: All the political capital in the world after 9/11, the full support of the nation for the most part, huge approval ratings, etc.  Then Iraq.  If it weren't for that, his legacy would be pretty decent.  But, well we all know what happened after that.


It seems likely to me that if it hadn't been Iraq it would have been something else.  He was a very bad president, very malleable and surrounded by evil people.

He must have done something worthwhile, but I can't remember anything.
 
2013-04-21 03:31:59 PM

Stone Meadow: I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

I think I'll go crack a cold one... :^)


I tend to agree with Weaver, though - the best thing that can happen in politics is fresh blood.  Nobody thought of Clinton six months after H.W. Bush's election in 1988.  Obama really didn't emerge nationally until 2004.  Instead of Clinton or Biden I'd like to see some newer faces.  Ideally, I'd like for Elizabeth Warren to run, but there's still too much wharrgarbl in the national voting population to elect someone that liberal.  My second tier of choices would include Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Cory Booker, or Julio Castro.  Castro might need some seasoning at the gubernatorial or congressional level first, though.
 
2013-04-21 03:38:45 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.

This.  Politics is NOT a family business.  Tell Jeb to find a personality of his own.


Actually, politics IS very often a family business, though it's not really a closed system, other people can join comparability easily. Thing is, if you grow up with people inside the system, you grow up with everything utterly demystified. You get to know how shiat works. Behind the scenes, there is far more complexity and far more moving parts than you see in the news, both for good and for bad. And I'm not talking about scheming, I'm talking about the nitty-grity of how laws are written and tailored, how minor little tweaks affect outcomes considerably, exactly where and when important fights happen, how messaging works- it's interesting and complicated, and until you crack into the system, it's really hard to grasp. But if you grow up in a political family, you have a shortcut. You don't have to grow up, get a degree, get lucky enough to find a job or even an internship on the Hill or inside the White House- you have a short cut. You know a good amount of the insider stuff before you hit high school, and you understand what the profession actually is before you start making decisions about what you want to study, or what you might want to do with your life.

Politics is a tad odd that most people don't have the slightest idea of how things work before you experience it from the inside firsthand- what you see on the news or in popular media really can't teach you. Shows like The West Wing or some of the dorkier talk shows can help, but the political process itself is still only ancillary to what they're trying to do- tell a story, or present and advocate for policy issues. You're not going to get haggling over FCC Spectrum Auctions and the assignment of broadband spectrum, is what I'm saying. But if you grow up in the midst of it, you get to know before you decide whether or not you want to enter the business yourself.

Piggybacking on the power of a name is only a small part of it. It's just that people who know the inside of the business are far more likely to want to get into it.
 
2013-04-21 03:41:45 PM

randomjsa: Well, so far Bush did far better than Obama has done

                  Other than an occassional slip of the tongue he was was amazing with foreign affairs.

                                         i812.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-21 03:44:54 PM

UNC_Samurai: Stone Meadow: I'm glad that made you feel good. Now here is a little something to make you feel even better: Bush so poisoned the waters for the GOP that they already know they can't beat Hillary in 2016.

I think I'll go crack a cold one... :^)

I tend to agree with Weaver, though - the best thing that can happen in politics is fresh blood.  Nobody thought of Clinton six months after H.W. Bush's election in 1988.  Obama really didn't emerge nationally until 2004.  Instead of Clinton or Biden I'd like to see some newer faces.  Ideally, I'd like for Elizabeth Warren to run, but there's still too much wharrgarbl in the national voting population to elect someone that liberal.  My second tier of choices would include Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Cory Booker, or Julio Castro.  Castro might need some seasoning at the gubernatorial or congressional level first, though.


Booker is going to put some time in in the Senate first. He'll be running for taking Lautenberg's seat in 2014, and will probably put some time in there, first. He'll be 54 11 years from now, still plenty young. He'll be in line for the 2024 run and beyond, giving Hillary her 2016/20 nominations.
 
2013-04-21 03:46:35 PM

Weaver95: No more dynasties . No more bushes, no more Clintons, no more Romney, no more kennedys. I don't want to see the same names over and over again and again. We are NOT a monarchy.


How are the Clintons a dynasty?
The Bushes are on gen 3 and Kennedies on gen 4.
When Chelsea's kid sits in the WH, then cry about dynasties.
The Clintons are a power-couple from Hell, ut not a Bush-like dynasty.
 
2013-04-21 03:51:13 PM

TheBigJerk: Dubya did practically EVERYTHING wrong. From stirring shiat in Israel to practically giving a handjob to China; from Faith-based initiatives to speeches saying, "a terrorist attack's coming, but I won't tell you where, boogity boo!" From tax cuts to Hurricane Katrina; From deregulation of banks (hell, everything) to Wall Street Bailouts; his list of failures is epic.


I'd like to point out that you forgot "No Child Left Behind" ... which essentially flushed the toilet on our most promising young minds in the quest for mediocrity.
 
2013-04-21 03:53:20 PM
Funny thing is, I've heard a few Republicans saying "Let's hear Jeb out. He's the smart one."
Yet they don't realize that is a tacit admission that they voted not once, but twice, for "the dumb one."
 
2013-04-21 03:54:21 PM

cptjeff: Booker is going to put some time in in the Senate first. He'll be running for taking Lautenberg's seat in 2014, and will probably put some time in there, first. He'll be 54 11 years from now, still plenty young. He'll be in line for the 2024 run and beyond, giving Hillary her 2016/20 nominations.


Assuming he's still unmarried, would he get enough votes from "social conservatives" to win?

/ I don't care if a serving President is single, but I bet the Fundies do...
// aging demographics in 11 years may render my question moot...
 
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